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Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:05 AM

America is weak.

America is weak, but not because of Obama or Trump or ISIS or even because of the Iraq war...

America is weak because it is so easily scared and manipulated.

And until Americans realise that - like some guy once said -"the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" America is at risk...from itself.

Those of us with a brain in our heads and a willingness to fight for America need to start pushing back - hard - at the fear mongering, and the racism and xenophobia, and - most importantly - the fear.

All of those things are being pushed around by two sorts of people:

- cynics who want to manipulate Americans
- cowards

You know that old saying, when you see a guy with a sports car, that, "he's compensating"? Well the same is true about soooo many Americans that project hatred and bigotry and xenophobia and intolerance: They compensate. They act incredibly aggressive and puff out their chests, BECAUSE they're scared.

Stand up to them and make your country strong by pushing back against fear and the cowards and cynics who are foisting it on our society.

Our ability to survive - and thrive - is contingent on our ability to look at the future without fear.

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EdwardBernays Nov 2015 OP
bravenak Nov 2015 #1
darkangel218 Nov 2015 #3
72DejaVu Nov 2015 #4
PatrickforO Nov 2015 #26
SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #13
MADem Nov 2015 #51
darkangel218 Nov 2015 #2
Skittles Nov 2015 #5
valerief Nov 2015 #34
Glassunion Nov 2015 #38
Cary Nov 2015 #6
Surya Gayatri Nov 2015 #7
cwydro Nov 2015 #23
nolabels Nov 2015 #8
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #19
nolabels Nov 2015 #56
underpants Nov 2015 #9
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #16
BelgianMadCow Nov 2015 #10
tech3149 Nov 2015 #15
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #17
Scuba Nov 2015 #11
livingonearth Nov 2015 #12
SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #14
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #18
Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #55
yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #20
Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #21
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #24
Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #22
Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #25
Rose Siding Nov 2015 #27
Va Lefty Nov 2015 #28
Hortensis Nov 2015 #29
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #31
EX500rider Nov 2015 #37
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #39
EX500rider Nov 2015 #41
Rex Nov 2015 #45
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #46
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #47
EX500rider Nov 2015 #49
LanternWaste Nov 2015 #52
EX500rider Nov 2015 #53
Hortensis Nov 2015 #57
Name removed Nov 2015 #30
Rex Nov 2015 #32
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #36
Rex Nov 2015 #42
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #43
Rex Nov 2015 #44
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #48
Rex Nov 2015 #54
valerief Nov 2015 #33
EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #35
prouddemfromaustin44 Nov 2015 #40
flamingdem Nov 2015 #50
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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:06 AM

1. I love America

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:07 AM

3. Then don't hate or try to take Bernie down( your words)

 

Because he spent his whole life trying to make America better.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:23 AM

4. So Bernie=America now?

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Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:23 AM

26. There's what is, and what should be.

Bernie equals what should be.

I'm supporting him all the way, but I fear it may be too late.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:03 AM

13. Ouch!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:13 PM

51. Me too--it's easy to criticize here. Not so much in other places, I've noticed. nt

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:06 AM

2. I agree.

 

+1!

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:27 AM

5. America's weakest link is its gun humping cowards

their paranoia trumps all

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Response to Skittles (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:26 PM

34. Have you seen the OP's favorite group? nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:52 PM

38. Have you seen the posts the OP makes in their favorite group?

You may be pleasantly surprised.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:33 AM

6. And I just read an article in the HuffPo that we are ripe for fascism

The anti-government stuff is what makes us weak and it is all fear driven.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:56 AM

7. Contrast craven America with even-keel Europe and the difference is pretty stark.

 

U.S. chest thumping and saber rattling begin minutes/hours after some outrage in the States or at U.S. interests overseas.

European leaders calmly comfort the victims, reinforce security perimeters, and openly encourage citizens to go about their business, thus denying the terrorists their desired outcome.

I'm astonished at some of the responses to threads I've posted about the present wave of atrocities in Europe.

Case in point, this remark in a thread about Brussels being on lockdown:

It's sad. It must be terrifying to live in Europe these days.

They are constantly under threat.


Talk about PROJECTION!!!

What SO many Americans fail to understand is that Europeans have been living under the specter of terrorism for the last 40 years. (IRA, ETA, Bader Meinhof, East German STASI, Italian and Greek extreme-left terror groups, etc. etc.).

Not only have Europeans lived to tell the tale, but they have managed to double the size of the original EU, create a single currency to compete on money markets, and bring several countries into the democratic fold.

Their ancient and venerable cultures have stood the test of time and will continue to do so.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:07 AM

23. Good post. My parents are English, and we visited London frequently in my childhood.

We were there during an IRA bombing. My parents never stopped me from traveling on the Underground (which I loved), and they never restricted my movements around the city in any way.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:02 AM

8. Weak is only a symptom

A symptom of stupid

To some, i too might be stupid but what scares me is that there are people a lot less informed who are sure they have the answer. They don't even understand they are acting out of fear. They are so brainwashed by the infotainment industry they actually think that's how the world is. That's scary

They will vote for a Trump or a Hillary, buy and carry a gun around and only associate with certain types of people because that's what they were told to do by the infotainment industry. They are out there, just look around

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Response to nolabels (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:51 AM

19. I don't know

I kinda refuse to believe that many Americans are stupid. People want to feel good and they want easy solutions, but if that makes you stupid, then anyone that buys an iPhone is stupid, or anyone that drives an automatic transmission car is stupid, etc., etc. We all have what we care about and what we dedicate our mental space to, and we all have solutions that seem OBVIOUS to us, even if they seem ridiculous to others...

I'd rather think - that is, I choose to believe - Americans have been lied to and manipulated and don't have a lot of context with which to make informed decisions. But, like programmers say: garbage in garbage out. Feed people something better and Americans will be better, because they're no more intrinsically good or bad or smart or stupid as creatures than people in any other country.

Part of the solution is information, but part is people engaging with people that they disagree with - face to face - and talking sense.

So engage with that uncle or grandfather or co-worker or neighbour and proudly defend what you believe. If everyone did that - instead of shouting or sniping online, America would be better - to some degree - almost overnight.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:08 AM

56. Sorry, maybe more apt word would be ignorant.

In any case in the lexicon of many of my Latino co-workers and many others around with that same heritage sometimes see the word 'stupid' as being a deep pejorative or just a slight. Yet, also it's often a call to action in defense and many times a call to counter-offense.

To me, the word stupid just indicates how things look and or going. I haven't really ever considered anybody stupid. After you known anyone for while (with empathy of course). One realizes that their choices and actions are mostly driven from past experiences and logical reason from days past. Moreover the crux or kernel of the idea i was trying to get at is rooted in the incessant need to follow others. To me, that's where the problem starts

If we had more people who wanted to think about things before they acted instead of just follow the other guy, there would be a much more coherent world around us.

I have an ipod, two iphones and a ipad. I purchased them because they are dependable, work most of the time and seem best for storing and listening to music.

As for automatic transmissions, larger diesel trucks are using them as standard equipment because they are better on fuel mileage and they are also good for drivers because it frees them up to do other complex things that are required when driving a truck.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:15 AM

9. Yes we collectively lost our sh*t

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Response to underpants (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:29 AM

16. indeed

but we can get it back...

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:26 AM

10. All you need to do is detox from the matrix

pull the plug on mobile, tablet, PC and TV for a while. I did it with my kids and it worked miracles. They are sensitive and scare easily.

I have to concur that it would seem too many are overcome with fear. I have little hope for the US and I think you all need to wake the f, sorry, up.

The context for what some guy once said: Inaugural speech of FDR

If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife.

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Response to BelgianMadCow (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:26 AM

15. You make a brilliant point but your prescription is not universal

Too many of the people who are victims of this irrational fear need more information and more exposure to the world not less. The problem is the most visible and easily available information sources are corrupted by self interest.
I had done the detox of an old friend back in 2004. It wasn't just a matter of disconnecting him from the matrix of propaganda but exposure to a broader base of information. Unfortunately that short term dose of reality will not hold against the continued wave of indoctrination.

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Response to BelgianMadCow (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:32 AM

17. Come visit Europe

And be amazed at how much less the media sucks, and how that lowers the volume and the stress... and lessens the power of nightmares pushed by politicians and the media...

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:29 AM

11. Well said Edward, thanks for the on-the-money post!

 

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:45 AM

12. I fear the possibility of a Ted Cruz or Trump becoming president.

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Response to livingonearth (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:07 AM

14. That is real cause for fear. Especially Cruz

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:45 AM

18. the antidote

to Cruz and Trump et al is hope and acceptance...

Think how quickly the fear and anger towards gay marriage dissipated once it was clear to everyone that no one really cared... that it wasn't a big deal...

I know it sounds bonkers on the face of it, but the opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference.

You wanna destroy ISIS? Stop caring about them. They literally can't kill as many Americans as cars do in a month... and if that's all they have then they're impotent... which is the reality...

We are going to hurt ourselves endlessly more trying to wipe them out then they could hurt us...

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:54 AM

55. I think Trump's scarier than Cruz

I don't think that Cruz's level of demagoguery approaches that of Trump.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:53 AM

20. Don't tell that to my friend Rei



She will disagree!

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:04 AM

21. We did far more damage to ourselves after 9/11...

than any terrorist could ever do. It pretty much continues unabated.

Good for ratings, you know.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:07 AM

22. That's why I'm supporting Bernie Sanders

and why I support the populist movement that will exist and thrive after the Sanders campaign. It's the ONLY way we're going to wrest out country back from the oligarchs and utterly stupid people.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:18 AM

25. "Land of the free and home of the brave" = False advertising.

 

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:28 AM

27. Comrade, please.

Racists, hysteria and a messed up media are not America. What's weak is your surrendering the whole nation's reputation to them.

America is great because of her ability to.........EVOLVE.

I love that theme running through so many of Obama's speeches- the way he attaches even exceptionalism to the concept of continually forming a 'more perfect union', improving ourselves.

It's ironic, right? Some of us love -or should at least respect- a country that grows and changes, but not a person. tsk tsk

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:35 AM

28. Scene from Newsroom says it all

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:41 AM

29. Edward, you mistake human behavior for American.

All our faults are found in people around the globe, exaggerated or suppressed by their cultures, but we are truly not only one people under the skin but under the skull bone as well.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:12 PM

31. You'd be surprised

Culture is real.

No other culture is like American culture ano many of its issues (eg gun violence) are uniquely American.

France just had it's 9/11 and yes it's reacting in some similar ways to how the US reacted after 9/11, but the degree of the reaction matters. France isn't going to invade another country or hand over all its civil liberties for years.

Neither is Europe as a whole.

France is also not turning it's back on Syrian refugees.

Yes, there will be consequences but culturally th French are not as weak - ie scared - of the other as Americans.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:18 PM

37. "No other culture is like American culture and many of its issues(eg gun violence)are uniquely..."

Not really since firearm homicides in the US are below the avg per country:

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:00 PM

39. Not sure

. .where you dug that chart up, but no other developed country have anywhere near the gun violence that America has.

OK lol. I just realised you're comparing America to places like Zimbabwe and Honduras. Lol.

What that chart ACTUALLY shows you is that the VAST majority of countries have a dramatically lower level of gun violence.

And there's NO country with a median income approaching the US's with anything close to the same level of gun violence.

Stupid chart is stupid.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:17 PM

41. So you mean "uniquely American" if compared to other cherry picked European countries..

Got it.
Compared to ALL countries worldwide the US is both below the median and avg for homicides:


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Response to EX500rider (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:36 PM

45. Yeah the OP has a weak argument at best imo.

 

Cherry picked indeed.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:41 PM

46. No

I mean compared to any vaguely similar country.

Comparing America to Zambia, Uganda and the Central African Republic, we look great... is that your point?

Compare it to any country vaguely similar and you'll see the reality you're desperate to avoid.

The US gun homicide rate is 3x that of the worst European country.

Here's the countries that are worse than the US, so we can see exactly who we're better than

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:47 PM

47. again

Are these the countries you want to aspire to?

I find it hilarious that you'd compare the US to every African country to prove how sae it is... and yet you ignore every country to the left of America on that graph - other countries like America, because when you compare like for like you realise we're at the very bottom of the list.

This is the sort of ridiculous graph that makes people say all statistics are lies...

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:09 PM

49. You just can't call it "uniquely American" if more then half the countries..

....in the world are worse.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:23 PM

52. "We're better than Somalia in gun violence!!!" Quite the goal dream...

 

"We're better than Somalia in gun violence!!!" Quite the ambitious goal to strive for. Sounds like the NRA's newest, award winning bumper-sticker.

(I completely understand your desire to discount direct correlation against the more accurately comparative liberal, industrialized west countries we've much more in common with-- as that particular reality doesn't conform to particular dogmatic biases)

Good luck!

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #52)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:39 PM

53. Yes ...

......and less homicide then these vacation "paradises":

Costa Rica, Bahamas, Jamaica, Aruba, Maldives, Fiji, Cuba, Bermuda, Guadeloupe, Virgin Islands, Caymans, Panama, etc....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:43 PM

57. What I meant, Edward, is that all people are born

with some mixture of liberal, conservative, libertarian personality and are then acted on by environment, or culture.

Wherever you go on this planet, though, in general liberals are going to be the ones who enjoy meeting and chatting with you, traditional conservatives are going to be pleasant but more cautious and inclined to complain about change, social conservatives are going to give you the cold fish eye and make up something bad about you to justify giving you the wrong directions to your hotel, and libertarians will grab the opportunity to drive you the long way around and consider that people like you deserve to pay more for not checking a map, while people like them deserve to prosper.

VERY overgeneralized, very oversimplified, and we come in infinite mixtures, but you get the idea.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:19 PM

32. Wrong, so wrong. Our government is weak, only held together by the Executive branch.

 

The people of this country are strong, just not well informed by design. Most people are easily scared and manipulated, that is not something special to America.

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Response to Rex (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:37 PM

36. not true

Seriously, I've spent a LOT of time in Europe now (I've lived outside the US for over a decade) and the fear is nothing like it is in America. The media doesn't have anything like the same grip on the population.

The weight and stress generated by the media is unlike anything else I've since experienced. And I hope to never experience it again.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:32 PM

42. That was not my point, humans are easy to scare and disturb.

 

Again, it is not just an American issue. YES our media is crappy and out of control, but we still have instincts that control us more than rational thought imo.

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Response to Rex (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:34 PM

43. I don't mean its genetic

I mean people that live in America...

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:35 PM

44. And I mean it is genetic.

 

And that is the entire human race, it is easy to scare people.

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Response to Rex (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:49 PM

48. I know

but that's unrelated to what I'm saying...

If the entire world lived in America, then yes, everyone would be the same in this respect, but they don't.

And because they DON'T it doesn't matter what they would be if they did, but what they are.

And America is unique in this respect. As are the people that inhabit it.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:13 AM

54. Well sure everyone has their own culture, but Americans are neither more nor less scared

 

than the typical person. America is a most militant nation on the planet. You are getting a lot of issue confused, but that is okay.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:22 PM

33. What Americans? Just because the pols and teevee say we're afraid doesn't mean we are.

That's how propaganda works. (Of course, you would know that from your name.)

Sure, some numbnuts are afraid. Most Americans just don't give a shit anymore. They're too worn out from being fucked over.

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Response to valerief (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:35 PM

35. Spend any amount of time

on right-wing sites and you'll see the fear... better yet look at all the states trying to block refugees, or who are suddenly obsessed with "Muslims" again... it's just under the surface, this fear, and the second ANYTHING even vaguely scary happens people FREAK out. And the media goes into full hyperventilation mode.

Here's a representative poll:

"Some 54% of total respondents said they oppose taking in refugees,according to a new poll from the Washington Post and ABC News..."

http://time.com/4122938/refugees-syria-america-poll/

That's almost completely driven by fear.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:02 PM

40. I blame the RW media for all this

 

They've exaggerated the terror threat to epic proportions, and got many Americans to buy into their lies without question. A sad state of affairs..

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Response to prouddemfromaustin44 (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:10 PM

50. Me too. How do we curtail their bs

Fox is all people see in huge swaths of our country.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:49 PM

58. Then we need a candidate to tell us that and that will make us strong

Not some of this weak shit we have to still deal with.

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