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Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:28 PM

About Catherina...

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by DURHAM D (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I know Catherina outside of DU. She is a beautiful black woman whose politics are passionately progressive and left leaning in the extreme. She is learned, well travelled, multilingual and one of the most intelligent people I've ever had the pleasure to call my friend. With a strong penchant for research, her contributions to DU have been legendary.

Catherina is a kind, compassionate human being who, as a citizen of the world, fights for the oppressed and the downtrodden of every hue. She's always been a staunch defender of equality and the basic human rights of LGBTQ people and of all peoples everywhere, regardless of party affiliation.

Several DU forum groups, as they pertain to the divisive 2016 primary season, have served to drive a wedge between well meaning, long time members of DU. Catherina's comment on twitter to Brother Ivan, "fuck those house ni**ers and their plantation mistresses," was a reference to black people who try to ingratiate themselves to the white power structure; because they got theirs and don't care about the more unfortunate who are left behind. It is a direct reference to Malcolm X's speech on 'the difference between the house negro and the field negro' which she had also posted on her twitter that same day.



If certain DUers imagined themselves in Catherina's sites regarding this comment, it was only by proxy of their complicity at the HCS forum and then finding screen grabs of their chicanery posted on DU.

As Catherina is a black woman, I will defend her right to use the language of her choice when calling out people of color and their allies. If you've ever read BlackTwitter, you know that her comment was mild by comparison to the daily exchange of ideas found there. If people were to take offense at every single edgy comment found on BlackTwitter, they would be eternally outraged.

If you feel offended by Catherina's comments to another POC on twitter, you may need to take a step back and consider why you found yourself reading her tweets in the first place and why you thought her comments might possibly have included you. If you've been engaging in nasty exchanges about DUers on a password protected site that is separate from DU, then you probably already know the answer.

Catherina has a long, respected history here. Taking her words and twisting them into racist fodder to fit a particular GDP agenda and thereby rewriting history is disingenuous. The Hillary/Bernie primary wars have cast a deep division on DU.

For the record, I don't yet support any one primary candidate in particular; it's a zero sum game. I do, however, support the way I remember DU and the way that it used to be in the months leading up to an election. Sadly, and by comparison, those halcyon days appear to have come and gone.

If you're a neoliberal, then you've probably found yourself at odds with Catherina but that doesn't justify the night of the long knives. Hopefully, DUers can look at this latest outrage du jour and separate the wheat from the chaff. Catherina is not a troll. She just happens to be a strong advocate for the Bernie campaign, who has decided to take a break from the insanity that is currently DU.

I don't claim to know everything about Catherina's politics but neither am I willing to throw her to the wolves during a time of upheaval. She has proven her liberal bonafides and I will gladly stand by her side during this time of dissension and welcome her back if she should ever change her mind about leaving DU.

I would like to believe that I have friends on both sides of this controversy but after this post, I guess I'll find out. Meanwhile, we have an election to attend to and a candidate to choose.

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:30 PM

1. Wait a minute -- so people who don't give a shit about "hunting" DUers on other sites...

 

...are now incensed by someone else's comments... on another site?

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Response to villager (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:34 PM

2. A pathetic lot of board warriors. Get a (real) life!

 

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:36 PM

3. No, wait a minute, just about all of us here are DUers with boni fides.

I don't know what the current brouhaha is about. My only intersection with her was something where I was bullied: By her. (This doesn't mean I support whoever is attacking her now.) Just means that she has attacked some of us/me.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:36 PM

4. You described Catherina absolutely perfectly.

 

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:37 PM

5. Thank you for that information.

As the details come in, it definitely makes a person think. Essentially, we had a black woman who was standing up for Bernie, who was brow-beaten off this website. And part of the way they did that was by painting her out to be a racist because she used terms that we would ordinarily not criticize if we knew the writer was black?

Do I have that right?

If we are defending black American voices on this website, does it make a difference if they support Bernie or Hillary Clinton? Or are the ones that support Bernie Sanders the ones that are not acceptable?

I think we should be told.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:41 PM

6. I said it here

 

in this thread that was locked...

I know what she is going though, because the same folks who stalked her, have stalked me.

Hell, some of them had a grand discussion whether this immigrant from Mexico, Latina Jew was actually a minority.

What we are seeing is racism... yes, I called it.

Oh and do expect to have both your OP alerted, and this post as well. That is the way people roll, once a light comes and shines it up.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:50 PM

10. No surprise it was locked. The parameters of an "Underground" must be narrowly controlled, after all

 

Lest, you know, "free range thought" breaks out, or something!

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Response to villager (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:54 PM

14. Or ugly behavior is exposed

 

I know.

And as I said, what is happening at OTHER PLACES is now affecting the dynamics here,. and rightly so. There are people who now post here, that I consider all but allies, or friends...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:56 PM

16. It's the hypocrisy -- the additional hypocrisy -- of the same cadre insisting *their* other site

 

...antics should be off-limits here, insisting -- of course -- that other people's off-site postings must be absolutely *on*-limits. When it suits them.

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Response to villager (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:00 PM

19. Yup and some of the comments on this very site

 

on this very chain of posts... well irony is quite dead at this point.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:43 PM

7. I feel offended. Period. Blacks do not do that to other blacks and still feel proud.

 

I never do it and I damn sure do not like it done to me by a total stranger who I do not know. If that is ones feeling then perhaps one should not post the link to ones twitter and then post that about people immediately afterwards; it might prevent the Hubaloo. That is a nasty intraracial bullying mechanism when blacks who feel superior look down on other blacks and use racist language to perpetuate stereotypes. Often there are those who would suround themselves with whites and be the person saying the racial language to kudos from their white friends which just shows it to be total projection.

I do not approve of this any more than I did when Cornel West did it to many accolades and praises- not from BLACKS, we did not praise him.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:47 PM

8. I've known Catherina for many years

And I concur with everything you wrote. She is a friend and an ally, and she is a fair-skinned black woman...like many of my own relatives. I cannot believe I am even writing this

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:49 PM

9. Respected by whom? Does no one remember her last train wreck of a thread on Chelsea Manning?

 

What an insult. Nor the train wreck of a thread on the Boston Bombings? Anyone can use the helpful search box provided by the administration to see exactly what I'm talking about.

That she used racial invective to describe other DUERS is unsurpising....as is her continued support of Putin. What, precisely, am I supposed to respect about that?

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:52 PM

13. Putin.

 

Smh

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:50 PM

11. teeyiyi

thanks (posted this to C as well)
i don't care if you or catherina go B or S...


she deserves better!
i told her so in multiple pm's

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:51 PM

12. I'm not a neoliberal.

Just want to correct the lies that I'm some kind of war mongering neoliberal. I'm not "at odds" with this person, they have directed pure hatred toward me for years, I've been nothing but kind.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:55 PM

15. You did nothing to deserve that

 

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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:56 PM

17. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

 



Thank you for that...


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Response to TeeYiYi (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:58 PM

18. Catherina is one of DU's greatest assets.

I was glad to see her brilliant, impassioned writing back on DU after an absence. I don't know her "IRL," but it felt like the return of an old friend. She raised the level of discussion here immensely. I count her among a few DU "heroes" of mine.

Don't blame her being a bit fed up on her way out, but no one tossing arrows her way is even remotely on her level, so I didn't think much about it or consider she needed any defending.

I have a feeling she'll be back at some point.

I'll be looking forward to that.

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