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onecaliberal Nov 2015 #1
bravenak Nov 2015 #2
daleanime Nov 2015 #5
bravenak Nov 2015 #6
KeepItReal Nov 2015 #7
bravenak Nov 2015 #9
JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #12
msongs Nov 2015 #10
riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #11
quarbis Nov 2015 #25
gwheezie Nov 2015 #32
delrem Nov 2015 #3
rusty quoin Nov 2015 #4
jaysunb Nov 2015 #8
sheshe2 Nov 2015 #13
joshcryer Nov 2015 #14
rhett o rick Nov 2015 #16
joshcryer Nov 2015 #29
sheshe2 Nov 2015 #33
bananas Nov 2015 #15
merrily Nov 2015 #27
Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #17
Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #18
merrily Nov 2015 #28
Mnemosyne Nov 2015 #19
Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #24
uppityperson Nov 2015 #20
sheshe2 Nov 2015 #21
Ron Green Nov 2015 #22
nomorewar2015 Nov 2015 #23
sheshe2 Nov 2015 #26
Skittles Nov 2015 #30
nomorewar2015 Nov 2015 #34
Skittles Nov 2015 #36
newfie11 Nov 2015 #31
Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #35

Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:05 AM

1. Please, no more.

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:07 AM

2. It's hard to look at.

 

Anybody who authorized the war OR THE FUNDING, is guilty. Hillary, Bernie, Bush, all of them. Voting against the war while pumping trillions into it does not give one clean hands. If Hillary has to answer for voting for the IWR, then we need to ask Bernie why he voted to fund it. No money, no war. Our troops would have been brought back much sooner if we stopped pumping trillions into the war. I think we need to have a deep conversation about war and peace issues.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:19 AM

5. It maybe hard to look at....

But apparently not to hard to move the goal post. Right now I'm very tired of this.....stuff. Hoping for a dream less night, may you have one too.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:20 AM

6. Good night. I would still have voted no. If I had a vote.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:25 AM

7. Bush funded that whole Iraq invasion as supplemental funding requests

*NOT* part of an actual DoD Budget.

Once those troops crossed the threshold in Iraq, WE WERE COMMITTED.

Therefore you pay ANY PRICE to succeed in the mission and keep American troops supplied, fed, and accommodated.

That's part of trying to win the damned conflict.

The whole point folks like Sen. Sanders, Sen. Robert Byrd, the Congressional Black Caucus, and many others fought for was PREVENTING the Iraq invasion in the first place.

Don't add everyone who voted to fund the war effort (in support of troops in combat) to the bandwagon of co-signers of the actual Iraq invasion Bush & Co. wanted and got.

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Response to KeepItReal (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:30 AM

9. I see it how I see it.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:34 AM

12. In light of what KeepitReal said, you don't think it is a bit of a mischaracterization

to lump a war vote in with continued funding of troops on the battlefield? Just a bit?

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Response to bravenak (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:33 AM

10. exactly correct IMO. nt

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Response to bravenak (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:33 AM

11. So once troops are committed, we shouldn't fund them?!

 

WTF???

They're already committed. So how the fuck does it "support" the troops to not feed or arm them?





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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:19 AM

25. Vietnam was

Defended by congress after watergate occurred

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:47 AM

32. Well what nut would leave them there?

Congress can vote to defund the war and vote for funds to bring them home. It would take a bit of courage. If the war was defunded only a lunatic president would leave them there. Is this too simple?
Another thing, the cowards of Congress could have voted to stop the drone warfare against Isis if they wanted to but they refuse to take a vote on authorization of force.
And you watch, right will try to gin up Obama bashing over France and dems will be too scared to look weak and both sides will refuse, refuse to take a vote because look at what happened when Hillary voted to give the president power to go to war in Iraq. It cost her in 08.
They could have defunded Obama after he put the war in the budget. They could have voted on new authorization they could have voted they didnt. I really don't want to hear any members of Congress take an anti war stance if they voted to fund our adventures.
This is what I propose for our war. A vote for declaration of war. Raise taxes to pay for it. Draft everyone, men and women, the government take over private industry and turn it into a war machine, stop trading with any country that supports the enemy and ration those goods, put this in front of the American people. Tell us we will not withdraw no matter how long it takes. See if we will support that because if we can't do that these wars that cost us so much are not worth it. We have been promised wars that last 6 days, 6 weeks certainly not 6 months. We were told they will embrace democracy and be allies, we were told oil will pay for it. All lies.
Obama, and I love the guy, best president in my lifetime, thinks we can stay in a holding pattern with drones and advisors, I've seen this war before.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:08 AM

3. The US has it within its power to put an end to its senseless war.

The US has it within its power to turn 180 degrees and become a force for the good.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:13 AM

4. Hard to look at...No More

 

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:26 AM

8. Hard to see. Hard too look away. n/t

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:36 AM

13. Add a WARNING IMAGE to your headline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:38 AM

14. OP is one to talk about shame.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:47 AM

16. Shame on those Democrats that betrayed the Party and bowed down to Republicons.

 

They bowed down to the idiot Republicons that had no evidence. They were afraid to stand up for what's right. They didn't care about how many Iraqi children would be murdered. They are not Democrats to cowardly bow down before George Bush.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:34 AM

29. Bush is responsible.

No one else. He sat on intel and let 9/11 happen on his watch, he made up intel to attack Iraq and was going to attack regardless of a vote, and he disbanded the Iraqi military and let lose ISIS. Bush and his administration should take the full brunt of the responsibility.

Yet every single time an atrocious act like this happens we blame the people who have to clean up his blunders.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:50 AM

33. Thank you josh, thank you.

Yet every single time an atrocious act like this happens we blame the people who have to clean up his blunders.

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Response to bananas (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:31 AM

27. Didn't her beau, who supposedly led her, get a lighter sentence than she did?

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:49 AM

17. This is where acting with anger goes.

Revenge begats, revenge begats, revenge begat,s revenge etc etc.

Widening the acceptable perimeters of what constitutes enemy combatants leads to everybody being targets. Like people in concert halls in Paris. Like people attending a wedding in Yemen.
There is no right to bomb the shit outta anybody.

We need to remember where anger leads. It leads to pain.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:51 AM

18. You know the President of France is talking of a "pitiless war"

and he's a socialist, right??

You want to yank somebody's leftist credentials, start with Hollande's

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:32 AM

28. Is Hollande threatening war against a country that had zero to do attacking France?

Is Hollande seeking the OP's vote right now?

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:56 AM

19. We owe it to all that suffered to NEVER FORGET. nt

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:12 AM

24. Then always keep them in your heart and don't heap that pain on other people.

Lay flowers on their graves, don't pour blood on them.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:02 AM

20. PLEASE add a warning to the title or at minimum at the top of the post

Thank you

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:06 AM

21. I already requested that.

They ignored me.

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:07 AM

22. War is easy. Peace is hard.

War: Young men (and women now) get to act like animals and dehumanize other people. Profiteers get to make lots of money. Politicians get to bloviate and get elected through fear.

Peace: People have to negotiate with the highest diplomacy skills. People have to try to see others' points of view. People have to forgive others, even at the risk of being cheated and deceived. The MIC doesn't get to function as it wants.

Shit, this country isn't even ready for Bernie Sanders; how can we be ready for peace?

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:09 AM

23. No! I don't want to see more of this, WillyT.

 

That is why everyone absolutely needs to support, and vote, for the eventual nominee of the Democratic Party.

Because if the Republicans win the White House, you can damn well be sure you will see more of this.

And if the Republicans win the White House, SHAME ON YOU, and anyone else who helps put them there!!!!

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Response to nomorewar2015 (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:21 AM

26. Hey you! Welcome to DU!!!!

No! I don't want to see more of this, WillyT.


That is why everyone absolutely needs to support, and vote, for the eventual nominee of the Democratic Party.

Because if the Republicans win the White House, you can damn well be sure you will see more of this.

And if the Republicans win the White House, SHAME ON YOU, and anyone else who helps put them there!!!!

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Response to nomorewar2015 (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:42 AM

30. people who so easily excuse war need to see EXACTLY WHAT WAR REALLY MEANS

F*** THAT HIDE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND BULLSHIT

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Response to Skittles (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:13 AM

34. I'm pretty certain that the majority of us know

 

EXACTLY WHAT WAR REALLY MEANS!

A REPUBLICAN winning the next election will GUARANTEE you MORE WAR!!!

The people who are hiding their heads in the sand, are the people who aren't taking this election seriously.

You want more war??? Make sure you hurt the Democratic Party as much as you can, and I'll guarantee you, you'll get it.

Yes... F*** THAT HIDE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND BULLSHIT!!!!

Wake up, and realize the consequences of this election.

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Response to nomorewar2015 (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:18 AM

36. NO THEY DO NOT KNOW

IF THEY DID THEY WOULD DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:45 AM

31. Thank you for posting this

Enough war already! People need to be reminded what the reality of war looks like.
These are pictures, people need to think what it's like living it every day and night!

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:16 AM

35. Meanwhile.....

 



George W, Bush: Hillary Clinton is my ‘Sister-in-Law’

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/12/08/george-w-bush-hillary-clinton-sister-law/


Oh yeah,....I'm sure going after Dubya for war crimes is a real priority.

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