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Dubya Did Not Keep Us Safe (Original Post) libodem Nov 2015 OP
You're shootin' fish in a barrel with this one. Atman Nov 2015 #1
Perfect score 6 for 6 Wellstone ruled Nov 2015 #2
Reagan & Bush ... Fathers of Al Qaeda & ISIS napkinz Nov 2015 #3
My hat's off to you libodem Nov 2015 #12
thank you libodem napkinz Nov 2015 #30
Very Welcome libodem Nov 2015 #34
Off to the greatest page malaise Nov 2015 #4
"my brother kept us safe" napkinz Nov 2015 #5
Bush kept me safe! napkinz Nov 2015 #6
Perfect libodem Nov 2015 #13
W did not keep the US safe Gothmog Nov 2015 #7
let's not forget Katrina ... napkinz Nov 2015 #8
It's also part of why they are so foaming at the mouth over Benghazi. It was at first that it was brewens Nov 2015 #9
Cheney said ... napkinz Nov 2015 #10
Exactly libodem Nov 2015 #14
The hateriots have no bottom. n/t brewens Nov 2015 #16
None libodem Nov 2015 #17
George W Bush kept Crisco Johnny Ashcan safe. Octafish Nov 2015 #11
Nice to keep that POS off comercial airlines libodem Nov 2015 #15
They sure did. Bush warned at Genoa G8 summit in July 2001... Octafish Nov 2015 #18
Wow! libodem Nov 2015 #19
"Dubya kept us safe" only if you ignore Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #20
I know libodem Nov 2015 #21
Their outrage over BENGHAZI! Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #22
I like this graphic libodem Nov 2015 #23
I've seen that before Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #24
Yep libodem Nov 2015 #25
exactly, where was the outrage when Bush was president! napkinz Nov 2015 #38
Excellent libodem Nov 2015 #39
Some of us had our lives torn apart by W and Cheney lying about WMD and starting that war randys1 Nov 2015 #26
They used a National Tragedy libodem Nov 2015 #27
And to provide political capital to destroy Social Security and Medicare. randys1 Nov 2015 #28
And that too libodem Nov 2015 #29
war criminals ... napkinz Nov 2015 #37
Let New Orleans flounder. Heck of a job Shrub. kairos12 Nov 2015 #31
... napkinz Nov 2015 #35
He sat back and watched while an entire region suffered and perished. lpbk2713 Nov 2015 #32
The worst response to a disaster ever libodem Nov 2015 #33
Bill Maher and Chris Matthews Tear Into Jeb: "How Can He Get Away with Saying Dubya Kept Us Safe?!" napkinz Nov 2015 #36
Just watched them all! libodem Nov 2015 #40
Pataki defended Bush in the first video napkinz Nov 2015 #41
Deflection libodem Nov 2015 #42
a fine mess! napkinz Nov 2015 #43
And I shudder to think libodem Nov 2015 #44
thread I think you'll be interested in ... napkinz Nov 2015 #45
. libodem Nov 2015 #47
two more threads on this subject ... napkinz Nov 2015 #46


(14,029 posts)
9. It's also part of why they are so foaming at the mouth over Benghazi. It was at first that it was
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:23 PM
Nov 2015

a terrorist attack on Obama's watch. It wasn't exactly cool to say it was only four guys vs almost 3000 on 9/11. Then they were all ready to come back with saying, "oh, like four dead Americans don't count?"

They were burning to be able to hang something like a 9/11 attack on Obama. I'd say they would have given up another 3000 of us to have done so.


(55,745 posts)
11. George W Bush kept Crisco Johnny Ashcan safe.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:30 PM
Nov 2015

Ashcroft Flying High

CBS News
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the attorney general replied, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."



John Ashcroft was safe in July 2001. The rest of America, not so much.


(19,288 posts)
15. Nice to keep that POS off comercial airlines
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:39 PM
Nov 2015

Because there was enough intelligence to warrant Ashcroft flying in government planes for personsl pleasure trips.

They knew.


(55,745 posts)
18. They sure did. Bush warned at Genoa G8 summit in July 2001...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:33 AM
Nov 2015

So Bush avoided the hotel - even though it was protected by NATO SAM batteries - and slept aboard a US missile destroyer in the harbor.

Here's the story from July 2001:

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?



James Hatfield died a few days after this was published. A "suicide."

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,629 posts)
20. "Dubya kept us safe" only if you ignore
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:50 AM
Nov 2015

All of the things you mentioned. What I never got was how Republicans were so particularly eager to exploit 9/11 as though it were some "achievement" and profit off of it politically yet totally gloss over the fact that 3000 people died as a result of, at the very least, Bush's lack of concern over the impending attack. And the same people didn't care that, despite the absence of WMD in Iraq, 4000 soldiers died needlessly there as well. If all that wasn't enough, a major US city drowned and his (mis-)Administration's incompetence doomed even more people. He kept us safe?


(19,288 posts)
21. I know
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:32 AM
Nov 2015

But if 4 people die in Bengazi it takes how many hearings and and a refusal to stop looking back and finding someone to blame.
With the first 9/11 we were not allowed to ask 'why' or point the finger at who did not keep us safe, or we were considered unpatriotic.

Plus remember how fast Cheney opened the national coffers to hand out a million dollars to each family to stay quiet and not sue the government. Money was no object for them.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,629 posts)
22. Their outrage over BENGHAZI!
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:35 AM
Nov 2015

and zeal to "investigate" it compared with their response 9/11/01 is so dramatic/OTT that it's absurd. Benghazi was a tragedy and should have been looked to as in any situation of the sort (no more than one investigation should have been necessary though, esp. when none of the embassy attacks following 9/11/01 AFAIK even got one) but 2996 more people died on 9/11/01 and many Republicans and the Bush (mis-)administration resisted calls for an investigation until it was politically unpalatable to do so and used the events to ram through their political agenda and silence their critics.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,629 posts)
24. I've seen that before
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:28 PM
Nov 2015

Pretty much sums it up. I'm glad that Republicans are finally being honest that BENGHAZI! was hyper-inflated to defeat Clinton in 2016 (though I'm sure that they were hopeful that maybe they might have been able to defeat Obama in 2012 with it as well. I still remember that creepy look on Romney's face right after it all happened).


(19,288 posts)
25. Yep
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:00 PM
Nov 2015

At the time I felt it was a CIA inspired plot to get Romney in as president. Just cuz. There were a shit ton of them hanging out there, we now find. And the abuse of that story to make political hay, in no way discourages my twisted conspiracy thinking. Yes, I know better.

How come Republican politicians can spend millions of tax payer dollars chasing sand down a rat hole and no one will call them out on it?

I'd like a real hearing on the real cause of the first 9/11, starting with the House of Saud and how much the Bush admin knew in advance.


(16,286 posts)
26. Some of us had our lives torn apart by W and Cheney lying about WMD and starting that war
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:09 PM
Nov 2015

And we are not at all confused about who kept us safe and who did not.

Who lied, and who did not.

Who cheered on the lying like Sean Hannity, and who did not.


(19,288 posts)
27. They used a National Tragedy
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:19 PM
Nov 2015

As their, "New Pearl Harbor", to prosecute a war of convenience, to beef up Haliburton's bottom line and stock values so Dick Cheney could personally profit from death and destruction.

It sickens me how Cheney and Liz are so proud of being ghouls.


(19,288 posts)
29. And that too
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:29 PM
Nov 2015

And what a shitty thing to target because how many motherless and fatherless America kids now depend on SS because Dubya had their parents killed in a quagmire of our created Iraq civil war.

How do they sleep?


(19,288 posts)
33. The worst response to a disaster ever
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:26 PM
Nov 2015

And remember the price of gas at the pump and by the barrel? Talk about crony capitalism.



(17,199 posts)
36. Bill Maher and Chris Matthews Tear Into Jeb: "How Can He Get Away with Saying Dubya Kept Us Safe?!"
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:19 PM
Nov 2015

https://www.facebook.com/Bipartisanism/videos/893314344078908 (click to see this video; not yet available on youtube)


(19,288 posts)
40. Just watched them all!
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:09 AM
Nov 2015

Excellent. It also reminds me of ENRON. That disaster plundered California and took a dump on it's shareholders. Paved the way as a blueprint for the crash in 2008.


(19,288 posts)
42. Deflection
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:06 PM
Nov 2015

At its finest. What snakes they all are. Thank you for posting that video. I'm glad I watched it.

Very informative.


(19,288 posts)
44. And I shudder to think
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:24 PM
Nov 2015

About having Saddam excuted, on public tv, hanging from that rope. What an image. Wonder where he got that gas to gas the Kurds? Probably from Rumsfeld himself in the 90's.

Bush is a dimwit moron savage. He ought to turn himself into the Hague for redemption.

I'm bookmarking this thread for all the great memes. it contains. It's a treasure trove of truth!


(17,199 posts)
45. thread I think you'll be interested in ...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:24 PM
Nov 2015

"An exclusive look at how the Bush administration ignored this warning from the CIA months before 9/11, along with others that were far more detailed than previously revealed."

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027339161 (posted by Hissyspit)

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