Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:09 AM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats.

Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy.

If you haven't read the three-part thread by Admiral Loinpresser you need to do so. The future of our nation is at stake.

Here's the links ...

Part 1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069296

Part 2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069291

Part 3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069290

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Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. (Original post)	Scuba	Nov 2015	OP
And it's Obama's fault because .........?	kelliekat44	Nov 2015	#1
Because...	Javaman	Nov 2015	#23
Amazing that the OP never blamed obama.	Scootaloo	Nov 2015	#44
Except for the part where he said "That's some legacy"	Blue_Tires	Nov 2015	#69
Looks like Obama blaming to me!	B Calm	Nov 2015	#71
It is his legacy.	morningfog	Nov 2015	#87
That's not blame. That's simple notation of fact	Scootaloo	Nov 2015	#163
I just don't like the implication that Obama never did anything to help state candidates	Blue_Tires	Nov 2015	#216
This is the result of the Republcians' grassroots campaign that starts at the local level.	olegramps	Nov 2015	#56
You're correct in this.	haikugal	Nov 2015	#82
This one ^^^ The GOP knows how to mobilize its base, the DNC would rather suppress it to raise $$$.	leveymg	Nov 2015	#108
Plus gerrymandering and money	Depaysement	Nov 2015	#202
Yes, but the Gerrymandering is the end result of their campaign.	olegramps	Nov 2015	#214
It's not all his fault, but he has played a part in these losses.	Act_of_Reparation	Nov 2015	#90
+1000 nt	Mojorabbit	Nov 2015	#112
+1000 and DWS is as useless as	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#159
She doesn't conduct herself	Admiral Loinpresser	Nov 2015	#165
But she'd be warmly welcomed and applauded by	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#166
I was about to post that very thing before I read yours.	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#174
Who appointed the DNC Chair?	frylock	Nov 2015	#113
You might give some consideration to the wholesale theft going on via voting machines.	Stevepol	Nov 2015	#152
The Democratic Party never bothered...	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#175
complete bs	Skittles	Nov 2015	#186
Running the party is not his job. It IS the job of the DNC n/t	eridani	Nov 2015	#200
WTF, I sure as hell don't blame Obama!	B Calm	Nov 2015	#2
Yeah, cause someone else appointed DWS!	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Nov 2015	#22
She was appointed by the DNC!	B Calm	Nov 2015	#27
I'll be darned, I stand corrected.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Nov 2015	#39
When there is a Democrat in the White House, his choice always wins that vote.	jeff47	Nov 2015	#88
Exactly!	ananda	Nov 2015	#32
No it's on the DNC, they appointed her!	B Calm	Nov 2015	#98
False.	former9thward	Nov 2015	#105
No matter who he recommends, the selection is still appointed by the DNC!	B Calm	Nov 2015	#107
I guess you probably should tell the party officials	former9thward	Nov 2015	#158
I blame Obama	fasttense	Nov 2015	#26
Urban 'identy' politics	pscot	Nov 2015	#47
Neither did the civil rights movement...	Blue_Tires	Nov 2015	#73
True enough	pscot	Nov 2015	#117
LOL! Of course you do!	Buzz Clik	Nov 2015	#67
The leadership of a hard left Democratic Socialist worked very well in the 30s.	eridani	Nov 2015	#201
Maybe you need to sit this one out and let the grownups talk...	Blue_Tires	Nov 2015	#74
Congratulations, you won the jury!	Dr Hobbitstein	Nov 2015	#110
I love #7. Wanting to keep a poster from participating in the discussion, because	valerief	Nov 2015	#143
And you think you are a grown up?	fasttense	Nov 2015	#172
Well put and I think the same thing. He's been effective. nt	haikugal	Nov 2015	#83
Oh, Puleeese!	RobinA	Nov 2015	#208
Another thought on this. People (both parties) were so much ABC (anybody but Clinton)	kelliekat44	Nov 2015	#3
You oughta know.	FlatBaroque	Nov 2015	#18
LOL	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#176
There wasn't much to choose between Clinton and Obama...	1monster	Nov 2015	#41
I liked Kucinich a lot in '08.	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#162
My first choice was Edwards.	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#177
You are the person who blamed LGBT for the loss in the 2014 election the following morning on	Bluenorthwest	Nov 2015	#181
OWCH!	davidpdx	Nov 2015	#203
wasn't a big part of it the very bad luck of 2010 being a census year and the same year there was	Fast Walker 52	Nov 2015	#4
Bingo! The ACA backlash destroyed us in 2010 which led to redistricting devastation in 2012 and 2014	LonePirate	Nov 2015	#34
Bullshit, people staying home because they did not get a pony THAT what led to the redistricting	krawhitham	Nov 2015	#85
So are DU emoprogs all-powerful or completely irrelevant?	frylock	Nov 2015	#115
No, our 2010 campaign theme was "OH MY GOD!! WE'RE SO SORRY FOR THE ACA!!!"	jeff47	Nov 2015	#89
And Bernie Sanders will fix this mess?	busterbrown	Nov 2015	#5
How many billions will they spend to stoke the fires against a CLINTON?	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#179
Two thoughts	davidpdx	Nov 2015	#204
Movement cons have by their philosophy focused on state gov't, the Dems don't	HereSince1628	Nov 2015	#6
The Party is on a brink	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#7
^this^	truebluegreen	Nov 2015	#20
You should consider leaving the party	Tommy2Tone	Nov 2015	#106
Bullshit. I knocked on 6000 doors in my own campaign in 2012 and many times had to	Ron Green	Nov 2015	#128
Did I mention you by name?	Tommy2Tone	Nov 2015	#130
Sorry, I was too harsh. I haven't forgiven Obama for squandering some of	Ron Green	Nov 2015	#132
It is amazing he accomplished so much	Tommy2Tone	Nov 2015	#141
Why is "who you want" in quotes in your reply?	truebluegreen	Nov 2015	#169
That one is close to going on vacation	davidpdx	Nov 2015	#207
I hear you. nt	truebluegreen	Nov 2015	#211
Some people aren't worth trying to educate.	Tommy2Tone	Nov 2015	#213
Which is funny because we are told by the "big shots" on the DU	davidpdx	Nov 2015	#206
Exactly.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Nov 2015	#21
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2015	#38
Deray is absolutely right.	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#180
Thanks for the info	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#183
Your welcome.	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#188
The party is a reflection of its people.	raouldukelives	Nov 2015	#205
A testament to the fundamental racism in this country,	Darb	Nov 2015	#8
Yep.	Scurrilous	Nov 2015	#156
I guess they ignored that "loss of control" in 2008 and 2012.	former9thward	Nov 2015	#198
Dems have to stop being lazy about voting	Liberal_in_LA	Nov 2015	#9
And, boys and girls,	Le Taz Hot	Nov 2015	#13
+900+. nt	OnyxCollie	Nov 2015	#49
+ a bazillion!	Enthusiast	Nov 2015	#58
Then in that case people damn well better be prepared	Blue_Tires	Nov 2015	#72
And in the real world, the party works its ass off to disrupt and avoid change.	jeff47	Nov 2015	#91
There it is!!!	haikugal	Nov 2015	#86
Bingo! nt	Mojorabbit	Nov 2015	#121
Lol	Liberal_in_LA	Nov 2015	#127
I'm in complete agreement...	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#185
Maybe the party should give them a reason by offering a CLEAR choice	hobbit709	Nov 2015	#15
+1000	abelenkpe	Nov 2015	#36
That's been my experience as well.	Le Taz Hot	Nov 2015	#37
A bit of advice	gwheezie	Nov 2015	#43
I would love to run. Unfortunately I have not had a squeaky clean life	yeoman6987	Nov 2015	#57
My early pole dancing days doom me	gwheezie	Nov 2015	#60
I'm not a Democrat and since they sold me out years ago	Le Taz Hot	Nov 2015	#59
It takes all kinds I quess	gwheezie	Nov 2015	#62
First you have to find the right person.	Le Taz Hot	Nov 2015	#66
Thank You!!!	haikugal	Nov 2015	#95
This message was self-deleted by its author	haikugal	Nov 2015	#96
A bit of advice	jeff47	Nov 2015	#92
That is correct.	Le Taz Hot	Nov 2015	#99
No.	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#190
That is what the Republicans want you to think.	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#147
Then I suggest you talk to the people on the bottom.	hobbit709	Nov 2015	#149
Don't lecture me about what I should do.	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#150
"Look in the mirror, boy" when you talk about lecturing.	hobbit709	Nov 2015	#151
That kind of talk will surely motivate voters.	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#153
Oh, goody goody gumdrops, blame the boomers.	hobbit709	Nov 2015	#157
No, this is pitiful:	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#189
Not only are you not motivating...	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#192
Yeah, because the education, housing, and climate...	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#193
Wargle Bargle is that you?	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#195
Nice.	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#197
Harry Truman figured that out a long, long time ago.	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#168
"Not as bad as the other guys is not exactly a real choice"	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#187
Why aren't consumers buying our shitty product?	frylock	Nov 2015	#116
We'll put the same old shit	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#170
No, a thousand times no!	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#182
Let us all give thanks to DWS for this mess	Moliere	Nov 2015	#10
I agree! She needs to be fired immediately!	B Calm	Nov 2015	#11
DWS - Doesn't Win Squat	DinahMoeHum	Nov 2015	#16
How can you say that about her with her eyes on a cabinet seat?	Omaha Steve	Nov 2015	#29
If that's satire, it stinks.	DinahMoeHum	Nov 2015	#42
Non voters doesn't win squat, we can't blame someone else for not voting, it lies with every citizen	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#31
Shitty candidates don't get voters voting	Scootaloo	Nov 2015	#46
So we should like the republican candidates more, doesnt make sense to me.	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#51
Funny you should say that.	Scootaloo	Nov 2015	#164
Not the Democratic party I know.	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#167
The Democratic Party of Texas...	malokvale77	Nov 2015	#194
Dean's 50 state strategy is a proven winner!	Dustlawyer	Nov 2015	#28
Unfortunately, it's the Republicans	pscot	Nov 2015	#45
Yes! Bring back the blue dogs!	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#155
I suppose in the past it was about	truebluegreen	Nov 2015	#171
Sad but,true!	Dustlawyer	Nov 2015	#173
Ditto regarding Bernie...	truebluegreen	Nov 2015	#178
Its the "foxification" of America.	DCBob	Nov 2015	#12
+1	Blue_Tires	Nov 2015	#77
Whatever happened to the Bully Pulpit?	Octafish	Nov 2015	#14
Precisely.	Enthusiast	Nov 2015	#63
The Bully pulpit only works when people listen and the pulpit gets coverage.	kelliekat44	Nov 2015	#97
Here are the reasons...	ncteechur	Nov 2015	#17
"All politics is local" and incumbency are huge factors	Freddie	Nov 2015	#19
That's very true.	tavernier	Nov 2015	#54
Don't bring sane, rational thought to a riot...	Blue_Tires	Nov 2015	#75
Most of those seats were gained by Democrats under President Bush.	Amimnoch	Nov 2015	#24
good find..	Blue_Tires	Nov 2015	#79
There is no precedent for the amount of seats and legislatures the GOP have taken	brentspeak	Nov 2015	#103
ahhhh, I'm sorry didn't realize this was just an anti DWS shill thread.	Amimnoch	Nov 2015	#118
If you support DWS, it's hard to say if you truly support the party. n/t	brentspeak	Nov 2015	#123
ahhh, "if you're not with me, you're against me"..	Amimnoch	Nov 2015	#124
I don't know. Ask DWS	brentspeak	Nov 2015	#125
Surely then, Carson or Trump will save us.	GeorgeGist	Nov 2015	#142
Anybody remember back when the Democratic party was Liberal	LiberalArkie	Nov 2015	#25
Nope. Hear it was once like that though	abelenkpe	Nov 2015	#33
I remember that	Art_from_Ark	Nov 2015	#55
No. I'm not a Boomer, so that was before my time.	jeff47	Nov 2015	#93
Who approved a 30% voter turnout. We are giving the offices to republicans, republicans vote,	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#30
That we are putting up shitty candidates that inspire indifference. (nt)	jeff47	Nov 2015	#94
Which republican candidates do you deem better than the Democrat candidate?	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#129
Not voting does not mean the Republicans are better.	jeff47	Nov 2015	#131
It means a lost vote for Democrats, a positive in the minds of republicans, they love low turnouts,	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#133
Yes. Which is why you should bother to find out why "Republicans bad!!!" is utterly failing	jeff47	Nov 2015	#134
Why am I seeing the complaining about Republicans winning in the last election?	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#135
The last election was Tuesday. We didn't do well, and turnout was low.	jeff47	Nov 2015	#136
/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\	Scuba	Nov 2015	#138
This op.	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#144
Not sure what State you live in, but here in 2014 we elected good Democrats, legalized marijuana	Bluenorthwest	Nov 2015	#184
Our appeal is just more selective	AngryAmish	Nov 2015	#35
The saturation of Rant Radio across this country and the 24/7	Purrfessor	Nov 2015	#40
This!!!!!!	get the red out	Nov 2015	#78
+1	Blue_Tires	Nov 2015	#80
Another thing we can thank Bill Clinton for	Fumesucker	Nov 2015	#161
This message was self-deleted by its author	Renew Deal	Nov 2015	#48
Gerrymandering works!	Turbineguy	Nov 2015	#50
But hey, the party doesn't matter, according to some here. nt	Adrahil	Nov 2015	#52
Complicity. K & R nt	TBF	Nov 2015	#53
The DNC under DWS has been a joke.	blackspade	Nov 2015	#61
"Admiral Loinpresser" ?	Tarc	Nov 2015	#64
Gerrymandering, election rigging, a dirty media, and Debbie W Schultz	Botany	Nov 2015	#65
We will take back many of those next November....all is not lost.	ileus	Nov 2015	#68
If only Obama hadn't been so black, we'd still have all those seats.	Arkana	Nov 2015	#70
Wasn't Obama black in 2008 and 2012?	former9thward	Nov 2015	#196
Yeah, but he got blacker in the off years.	Arkana	Nov 2015	#215
democrats abandoned the center	BlueStateLib	Nov 2015	#76
All politics is local	angrychair	Nov 2015	#81
The root cause of this issue	melm00se	Nov 2015	#84
IMO the real consequences of this are huge. When a state	jwirr	Nov 2015	#100
/\_/\_And this_/\_/\	Scuba	Nov 2015	#139
Yet people on here constantly talk of the impending death of the Republican party	davidn3600	Nov 2015	#101
The Great Bigot Revolt n/t	moondust	Nov 2015	#102
How many of those were lost during the off years?	Tommy2Tone	Nov 2015	#104
Party apparatchiks have been shoving the "Lesser of Two Evils" mantra down out throats	Maedhros	Nov 2015	#109
Americans for Prosperity was founded in 2003...	DreamGypsy	Nov 2015	#111
Thanks, Debbie!	Iggo	Nov 2015	#114
Dems have not come thru for the middle class	hollowdweller	Nov 2015	#119
+1	leftstreet	Nov 2015	#148
And when you finally look at the bottom line:	L. Coyote	Nov 2015	#120
The M$M and Hate Radio are powerful, they have helped divide this country for decades.	Rex	Nov 2015	#122
We need progressive candidates	pinebox	Nov 2015	#126
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is President?!	KamaAina	Nov 2015	#137
I see what you did there.	Scuba	Nov 2015	#140
Close enuff for gubmint work.	Eleanors38	Nov 2015	#145
K & R !!!	WillyT	Nov 2015	#146
We always blame the president for the failures of our party	HassleCat	Nov 2015	#154
To be fair, we gained seats both times he was on the ballot.	LoveIsNow	Nov 2015	#160
Wow	MFrohike	Nov 2015	#191
The problem is the alienation and disaffection of working people from the Democratic party	Bernblu	Nov 2015	#199
When you have so called "progressive think tanks" echoing neo-con talking points one has to wonder	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#209
And unless they change their stategy of "vote for us, we suck a little less"...	99Forever	Nov 2015	#210
I guess the Democratic Base needs to start voting in off-year elections	WI_DEM	Nov 2015	#212

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:14 AM

kelliekat44 (7,759 posts)

1. And it's Obama's fault because .........?

His fault for being black No. 1

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:43 AM

Javaman (56,590 posts)

23. Because...

Thanks, Obama!

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:18 AM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

44. Amazing that the OP never blamed obama.

No, these are losses the party has incurred during the Obama administration. There is no implication that correlation equals causation - except by you, of course.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:05 AM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

69. Except for the part where he said "That's some legacy"

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #69)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:07 AM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

71. Looks like Obama blaming to me!

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #69)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:02 AM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

87. It is his legacy.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #69)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:08 PM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

163. That's not blame. That's simple notation of fact

The Democrats have taken some gnarly losses during the Obama administration. Those losses will remain after the end of the administration, for the most part.

That's the situation we're left with as the Obama administration draws to a close. And with Debbie Wasserman-Schult runnign hte operation, we're not likely to have a last-minute reversal

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #163)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:27 PM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

216. I just don't like the implication that Obama never did anything to help state candidates

or that he's somehow responsible...

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:43 AM

olegramps (7,939 posts)

56. This is the result of the Republcians' grassroots campaign that starts at the local level.

They are very active in bringing their campaign to the extensive evangelical and fundamentalists block of voters who vote in local elections. This has been totally ignored by the Democrats who have failed to make any effort to take their message to these voters and challenge the Republican's claim that they represent Christian values. They target the entre spectrum from local school boards, city government to the state house.

What is required is someone who can convince the Democrats that the war is actually won on the local level and can energize local politicians to take the fight to community politics. I certainly can not discount the racism that is similarly not addressed and has been a major factor in recent elections. This has not been forcefully contested as being absolutely un-Christian. Democrats should loudly proclaim that it is they that actually put into practice the teachings of Jesus that obligate those with resources assist those in need.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #56)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:37 AM

haikugal (6,476 posts)

82. You're correct in this.

They've been working their 7 Mountain strategy for decades.

We need to have candidates that speak for the people rather than the status quo.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #56)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:33 PM

leveymg (36,418 posts)

108. This one ^^^ The GOP knows how to mobilize its base, the DNC would rather suppress it to raise $$$.

It's really as simple as that. In areas such as Northern VA local races are fought and won by a progressive grassroots organization called The Brigades, when all the rest of the state goes Red, you can count on progressive GOTV. The local Congressmen and Delegation top to bottom know that, so they have to pay attention to the liberals. Where you don't have this sort of grassroots mobilization of progressives and labor, the GOP wins.

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Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:02 AM

Depaysement (1,835 posts)

202. Plus gerrymandering and money

These help too.

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Response to Depaysement (Reply #202)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:23 AM

olegramps (7,939 posts)

214. Yes, but the Gerrymandering is the end result of their campaign.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:08 AM

Act_of_Reparation (7,910 posts)

90. It's not all his fault, but he has played a part in these losses.

He did nominate Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to chair the DNC. As the person chiefly responsible for developing the party's national election strategy, I'd say she's been a pretty poor choice.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #90)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:10 PM

Mojorabbit (16,020 posts)

112. +1000 nt

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #90)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:29 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

159. +1000 and DWS is as useless as

a submarine with screen doors. She won't even ENDORSE Democratic challengers to her Repig BFFa in the House. That is the equivalent of treason to the party whose national chair she holds. Yet she remains.

Why?

She must be doing exactly what those who could replace her want her to be doing. No other possible explanation. Her treachery keeps being rewarded.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #159)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:13 PM

Admiral Loinpresser (3,859 posts)

165. She doesn't conduct herself

in accordance with DU's Terms of Service!

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Response to Admiral Loinpresser (Reply #165)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:18 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

166. But she'd be warmly welcomed and applauded by

the Bernista-hunters in these parts. Some animals are more equal than others, you know.

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Response to Admiral Loinpresser (Reply #165)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:23 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

174. I was about to post that very thing before I read yours.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:12 PM

frylock (34,825 posts)

113. Who appointed the DNC Chair?

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:54 PM

Stevepol (4,234 posts)

152. You might give some consideration to the wholesale theft going on via voting machines.

The programmers and riggers of the voting machines have just about lost all sense of caution. Who's going to challenge ridiculous results? If nobody challenges something like Alvin Greene's 60-40% victory in the SC Dem primary, a guy who never lifted a finger to campaign, a guy that nobody knew from Adam, then why would anybody challenge a result where the flip was only 5-10%? And in SC, it was the Democratic Party that refused to have another vote or to recount (if that was possible) or audit. It's just craven cowardice I think. Just speaking up about it after seeing the result of any election is apparently too scary for Dems. If any change comes, it will likely come from a Repub or one of the other parties, the Green Party e.g.

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Response to Stevepol (Reply #152)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:34 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

175. The Democratic Party never bothered...

to challenge the obvious fraud that happened in Texas way back when GWB became governor.

Why you say? Because they are complicit. I don't believe for one minute that it is out of fear. They are all on the same "Gravy Train". They have no intentions of stopping it.

That is why they are so desperate to stop Bernie Sanders and his called for political revolution.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:25 PM

Skittles (133,137 posts)

186. complete bs

the problem is Democrats not voting, and that has nothing to do with Obama's skin color

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Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:07 AM

eridani (51,903 posts)

200. Running the party is not his job. It IS the job of the DNC n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:16 AM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

2. WTF, I sure as hell don't blame Obama!

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Response to B Calm (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:42 AM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

22. Yeah, cause someone else appointed DWS!

The buck never stops with the head of the Party or the country!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:57 AM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

27. She was appointed by the DNC!

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Response to B Calm (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:09 AM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

39. I'll be darned, I stand corrected.

I had always heard it was an appointment slot. I just googled, and it is indeed a voted in position.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:06 AM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

88. When there is a Democrat in the White House, his choice always wins that vote.

So it's de-facto appointed by Obama, despite it technically being an elected position.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:01 AM

ananda (23,315 posts)

32. Exactly!

We got the whole DLC machine, a lot of Bushinc operatives, and lost Howard Dean.

That IS on Obama-rhama.

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Response to ananda (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:46 AM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

98. No it's on the DNC, they appointed her!

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Response to B Calm (Reply #98)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:21 PM

former9thward (23,337 posts)

105. False.

Apparently you don't know how the system works. The President makes the selection and the DNC rubber stamps it by "electing" her. The same thing happens when the President is a Republican and selects the RNC Chair. The only time there is an actual election is when the party is out of power (as it was when Dean was elected).

President Barack Obama has chosen Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz as the incoming chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, the party announced late Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/wasserman-schultz-to-lead-dnc-052605#ixzz3qdexskUM

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Response to former9thward (Reply #105)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:25 PM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

107. No matter who he recommends, the selection is still appointed by the DNC!

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Response to B Calm (Reply #107)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:24 PM

former9thward (23,337 posts)

158. I guess you probably should tell the party officials

they lied when they said Obama appointed her. Word games.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:55 AM

fasttense (17,301 posts)

26. I blame Obama

He never said he was a moderate RepubliCON when he was campaigning. He sure talked like a liberal and then he morphed into a smart, good looking RepliCON. But it's Not All his fault, it's Not All any one person's fault.

The capitalist system makes it easier to stomp on and crush the middle class and poor then to help them. The same people who fill the campaign coffers of RepubliCON pacs also fill the campaign coffers of Democratic pacs. But if you don't have a pac? You get what you pay for and Some very rich people paid for Obama to do what he has done.

He has managed to turn off the Democratic base. I think that was his job. Remember when his chief of staff was calling the base names? Remeber when he extended the bush tax give aways to the uber rich? All he had to do was Nothing and they could have gone away. His whole purpose was to disenhearten and turn off the liberal voter. He did his job wll. Now, when he passes the TPP he'll have put a stake through one of the core groups that support Democratic leaders - Unions.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:22 AM

pscot (20,952 posts)

47. Urban 'identy' politics

don't play well in Peoria. Or anywhere else from Daytona to Walla Walla.

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Response to pscot (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:19 AM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

73. Neither did the civil rights movement...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #73)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:28 PM

pscot (20,952 posts)

117. True enough

but if we just write off half the country, we aren't going to be winning many elections. We have to find a way to talk to these people is what I'm saying. That's what Howard Dean was about. We used to win elections in many of these rural area, but not without trying. It seems like a solid majority of DUers flat out refuse to talk to anyone disagrees with them. We were supposed to be riding a demographic wave to victory, but that hasn't worked out, so far. Maybe that will change, but a lot can go wrong before it does.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:02 AM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

67. LOL! Of course you do!

Make sure you rally the troops for Sanders because the US is eager for a hard left Democratic Socialist to lead them.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #67)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:14 AM

eridani (51,903 posts)

201. The leadership of a hard left Democratic Socialist worked very well in the 30s.

Sure, FDR didn't call himself that, but that's what the New Deal programs were.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:20 AM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

74. Maybe you need to sit this one out and let the grownups talk...

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:42 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

110. Congratulations, you won the jury!

Just barely, though.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #110)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:39 PM

valerief (53,235 posts)

143. I love #7. Wanting to keep a poster from participating in the discussion, because

the poster said (it's interpreted) another poster is not worthy to participate in the discussion.

My head is spinning!

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #74)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:53 PM

fasttense (17,301 posts)

172. And you think you are a grown up?

Comments like yours are why DU invented the ignore button.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:45 AM

haikugal (6,476 posts)

83. Well put and I think the same thing. He's been effective. nt

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Response to fasttense (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:15 AM

RobinA (7,923 posts)

208. Oh, Puleeese!

Anybody who was listening to him could tell he was a RepubliCON. He never sounded like anything else. It was only the media that painted him as anything close to an actual liberal. If you listened to HIM over the course of the campaign, it was clear what side of the fence he was on. He campaigned as what used to be a moderate Republican and he governed as one. Anybody disappointed in him wasn't paying attention. And I say that as someone who voted for him, but I knew exactly what I was voting for and pretty much that's what I got.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:17 AM

kelliekat44 (7,759 posts)

3. Another thought on this. People (both parties) were so much ABC (anybody but Clinton)

that they won the election for Obama. Now we will probably get Trump for the same reason because Bernie will not be able to get voting factions needed to win in the general election.

The Karma of hate always is a bitch.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:08 AM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

18. You oughta know.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:46 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

176. LOL

It always strikes me that the most hateful of DUers are the first to pull out the hate card. They must sit in front of a mirror while posting here.

Thank you.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:15 AM

1monster (11,012 posts)

41. There wasn't much to choose between Clinton and Obama...

Obama was my third or fourth choice. I voted for Kucinich in the primary. My preference for Obama over Hillary was because I didn't much fancy another dynasty. Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton just didn't sit well with me.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:56 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

162. I liked Kucinich a lot in '08.

I liked what I had seen and heard from Obama as well. HRH was never an option for me. The Kennedy endorsements helped tilt me towards Obama. Well, they got chumped, just like the rest of us, but we had no way of knowing at the time he was a "moderate 1980s Republican" (his own words, BTW). We were all dumb enough to think he was an actual center-left Democrat. The joke was on us, I guess!

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Response to 1monster (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:58 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

177. My first choice was Edwards.

I still believe that the Clintons were behind his demise. The GOP would have saved that tidbit for the general election.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:52 PM

Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)

181. You are the person who blamed LGBT for the loss in the 2014 election the following morning on

DU: "The openness and brazenness of the LBGT agenda and the media flaunting of gay marriages all across the country cost Dems dearly and threatens to do so in the future."

Self delete does not work on the memories of others, and that thread should shame those who count you in their cohort, the Hillary camp which runs about calling the other camp bigots.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025764803#post45

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #181)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:43 AM

davidpdx (22,000 posts)

203. OWCH!

That's going to leave a mark.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:19 AM

Fast Walker 52 (7,723 posts)

4. wasn't a big part of it the very bad luck of 2010 being a census year and the same year there was

a huge backlash against Obama and the Dems? Which led to massive control of statehouses by the GOP and redistricting that favored them. And yes, part of the blame goes to the Dems for being asleep about this and for Obama not being more aggressive in the 2010 cycle.

I agree this record is a huge problem and is astounding given how fucked up the GOP is in general and how progressive ideas are generally poplar.

But what can be done except to make sure 2020 is very different?

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:01 AM

LonePirate (11,016 posts)

34. Bingo! The ACA backlash destroyed us in 2010 which led to redistricting devastation in 2012 and 2014

That is a very simple summary of the huge losses Dems have experienced this decade. People can blame whomever they wish; but that's what happened in a nutshell.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:52 AM

krawhitham (4,335 posts)

85. Bullshit, people staying home because they did not get a pony THAT what led to the redistricting

Half of DU bragged about not voting at the time, SEARCH DU. They have now backed away from that claiming it had nothing to do with poor dem turnout

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #85)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:18 PM

frylock (34,825 posts)

115. So are DU emoprogs all-powerful or completely irrelevant?

Did liberals really stay home and cause the 2010 rout?

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:08 AM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

89. No, our 2010 campaign theme was "OH MY GOD!! WE'RE SO SORRY FOR THE ACA!!!"

Shockingly enough, that didn't win us many seats.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:30 AM

busterbrown (8,515 posts)

5. And Bernie Sanders will fix this mess?

In a perfect world perhaps.. but believe me this all about Citizens United and Fox News. The political divide in this country is so freaking deep that the Right Wing would spend billions in order to label Sanders as Neo-Commie Socialist.
Perhaps he could pull the pure Dem. electorate out to vote in better numbers than Clinton, but thats as far as it would go..This country is fucked because of Citizen’s United and Right Wing Controlled Media, which have millions upon millions of voters completely locked up in Right Wing lying dumb rhetoric...

By the way here you go..

http://www.examiner.com/article/50-politically-biased-sources-not-to-get-your-news-from

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:17 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

179. How many billions will they spend to stoke the fires against a CLINTON?

If one did a GOP hate word cloud, Clinton would take up 90% of the cloud.

A Clinton will never get a GOPers vote. Hillary has to obfuscate and triangulate to get Democrats on board.

It is sad that the Democratic Party wears blinders so as not to see the real pain and suffering experienced by a large majority in this country alone.

As long as they are aboard the "Gravy Train" they just don't care.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #179)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:48 AM

davidpdx (22,000 posts)

204. Two thoughts

Actually three. First, I agree with you the Clinton's couldn't give a flying fuck about ordinary people.

Second, there will not be enough obfuscating in the world to get some Democrats on board.

Third, the amount of dark money that is going to be dropped once Clinton is the nominee will be in the immortal words of Donald Trump "HUGGGGGGGGGGE".

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:39 AM

HereSince1628 (36,063 posts)

6. Movement cons have by their philosophy focused on state gov't, the Dems don't

Significant blocks of democratic voters don't turnout for state and local government. Perhaps because they feel it provides little protection or value compared to programs of the federal government.

The outcome seems consistent with the efforts invested. We end up living in a nation with a two party system controlling a two tiered system of government with differing success for the parties at different levels.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:41 AM

Truprogressive85 (900 posts)

7. The Party is on a brink

There are those that will say the Democratic Party is fine and not imploding in front of our very eyes.

if the party only puts effort during Presidential cycles we are screwed !

This what Deray an activist with BLM is saying :

deray 56m56 minutes ago
Voter turnout is low, I'd argue, b/c hopelessness is high. Folks are (rightly) tired of choosing b/t bad & worse. That isn't much choice.

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Response to Truprogressive85 (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:29 AM

truebluegreen (9,033 posts)

20. ^this^

People came out and enthusiastically endorsed Hope and Change in 2008...and got instead a smart, articulate defender of the status quo. I wonder when the Democratic Party is going to realize that the status quo is not actually worth defending.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:22 PM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

106. You should consider leaving the party

Sorry it's not about "who you want." It's about the majority rule. The Dems chose Obama twice and he won big twice. Now a lot of whiny ass dems who probably sat out the election in 2010 and 2014 want to blame Obama.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #106)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:12 PM

Ron Green (9,156 posts)

128. Bullshit. I knocked on 6000 doors in my own campaign in 2012 and many times had to

defend Obama from those on the right who called him a "socialist" and those on the left who saw his corporate ties. All the while trying to get my OWN message out in a Republican district, beg for support statewide "Dems" in bed with the Repubs, and try to get Obama's local organization to walk with me (they never did.)

Obama could have started the Big Shift we need with some simple truth telling. Instead he played nice with the Rs and gathered crooks around him as advisers. Perhaps, as a black man, he couldn't appear to be "angry." In that case, he was exactly what our owners need.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #128)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:17 PM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

130. Did I mention you by name?

I said a lots of Dems stayed home and now a lot of them are blaming the president. All they had to do was vote. I never quite understand progressives saying they were deceived or lied to by the Prez. In fact he was never a progressive and like me he is a Democrat.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #130)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:23 PM

Ron Green (9,156 posts)

132. Sorry, I was too harsh. I haven't forgiven Obama for squandering some of

the opportunities we had in early 2009, for clearly explaining what "Hope and Change" really meant.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #132)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:28 PM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

141. It is amazing he accomplished so much

Hope and Change was DOA. On the day of his inauguration I believe it was McConnell who came out and said his job was to make the president a one term president. Then went on to say they were not going to work with the president and when he could not get bills passed he would be blamed.

Then when it came to his signature achievement, the Affordable Care Act, he was torpedoed but Dempublicans like Ben Nelson into getting the act but far from the one he proposed.

Still he got two Supreme's appointed and if he did nothing else I would support him for that alone.

I just wish I could vote for him again.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #106)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:20 PM

truebluegreen (9,033 posts)

169. Why is "who you want" in quotes in your reply?

Are you talking to someone else? Someone who cares what you think maybe?

I've never sat out an election in my too-long life, and have always been a Democrat. And fyi in 2008 I contributed to, phone-banked for, canvassed for, was a state convention delegate for, poll-watched, and voted for Obama. Voted for him in 2012 too, although it was more like voting against rMoney.

2 effing million people, of which I was one, came to Obama's first inauguration. Do you think that if they got something even remotely like what they hoped for, 2010 would have been the debacle it was? Do you think if Obama had mobilized that enthusiasm, and the grass-roots network he built instead of disregarding them (Thanks for all the hard work, guys! I'll take it from here!) that would have made a big difference? Do you think that if he had not been content with nudging the ship of state 2 degrees off its current course, when what we really needed (if even he couldn't get it done!) was a major correction; not been content with a lame-ass Democratic Party (We're not as crazy as those guys!) (Hello DWS!), had been willing to....oh fuck it. Some people aren't worth trying to educate.

I think you got lost and ended up on the wrong board. Ciao, baby.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #169)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:01 AM

davidpdx (22,000 posts)

207. That one is close to going on vacation

Personally I won't be sad about it.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #207)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:11 AM

truebluegreen (9,033 posts)

211. I hear you. nt

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #169)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:20 AM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

213. Some people aren't worth trying to educate.

We agree. Done with you.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #106)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:58 AM

davidpdx (22,000 posts)

206. Which is funny because we are told by the "big shots" on the DU

who supposedly know all the insiders that we can only change the party from within. I worked my fucking ass off and donated quite a bit in 2008 to get Obama elected. I donated to his reelection in 2012. I have donated to various candidates including three who lost in 2014. I've voted in every single election since I turned 18. I have been a Democrat since I was in my teens, that is how passionate I felt about politics.

While I support President Obama, there are some things he has disappointed on, the main one being TPP. But it's not all on President Obama, we have a DNC Chair that doesn't do jackshit to help the party.

I'd tell you where to stick your suggestion, but it's not worth the hide.

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Response to Truprogressive85 (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:41 AM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

21. Exactly.

DeRay is a spot on there, as he is in so many other cases.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:43 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

180. Deray is absolutely right.

It is in fact the Democratic Party that is imploding.

As an example: Here in Dallas, Texas - we went all democrat several election cycles back, but because our DA decided to spend funds freeing the wrongfully convicted instead of forcefully prosecuting people, they worked against him. We now have a batshit crazy, drug addicted Republican eating up the DA budget.

The Democratic Party no longer gives 2 hoots about any of us that cannot afford a ticket on the "Gravy Train".

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #180)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:58 PM

Truprogressive85 (900 posts)

183. Thanks for the info

I love to here about how the Dem party is doing on the local level.

I was just watching MSNBC and Rachel Maddow was doing a interview with head of S.C. Party Chair, and he was basically saying the national party has abandon the South allowing the GOP to rise. He goes on to say that there needs to be long term plan not just ever presidential cycle to GOTV

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Response to Truprogressive85 (Reply #183)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:20 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

188. Your welcome.

In 2014 the party came to Texas under the guise of "Battle Ground Texas" supposedly to elect more Democrats in Texas. Nope, seems the real reason was to gather names for possible donors to Hillary Clinton's bid for the WH. The democratic losers from that election are now on the Hillary bandwagon.

Although Dallas is mostly made up of Democratic officials, those officials bend more to the wishes of the Park Cities and North Dallas (read that as the monied) over the needs of the majority of the populace.

Both parties will throw us proles a bone once in a while, just as long as we allow that "Gravy Train" to roll.

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Response to Truprogressive85 (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:52 AM

raouldukelives (5,178 posts)

205. The party is a reflection of its people.

If many of its people are all supporting corporations and only putting in effort during elections, then of course we lose. Those who subsidize the attacks against hope, change and against democracy itself, have no place complaining when they are victorious.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:42 AM

Darb (2,807 posts)

8. A testament to the fundamental racism in this country,

Nothing gets out the vote like whites fearing the loss of control.

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Response to Darb (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:00 PM

Scurrilous (38,613 posts)

156. Yep.

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Response to Darb (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:27 AM

former9thward (23,337 posts)

198. I guess they ignored that "loss of control" in 2008 and 2012.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:44 AM

Liberal_in_LA (44,397 posts)

9. Dems have to stop being lazy about voting

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:55 AM

Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)

13. And, boys and girls,

here's your answer in a nutshell. The blind loyalists blaming the voters. It's certainly NOT an internal problem so quit saying that!!!!111!!1!

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:26 AM

OnyxCollie (9,958 posts)

49. +900+. nt

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:47 AM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

58. + a bazillion!

Voluntarily extend the Bush tax cuts, surrender on the public option then say, "Oh, those lazy voters!"

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:14 AM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

72. Then in that case people damn well better be prepared

to fucking DO SOMETHING to change their local Dem party...It starts down low with city/county councils or whatever...

Folks need to be proactive -- There is a disconnect between "Dems always run repub-lites so I'm staying home" and "I can't be bothered to voice my support for more liberal democratic candidates with the local committee"

But like I said, this is all strange to me because I grew up in a household that *always* voted, for state races, referendums, city council, school board, etc... Because my father was old enough to remember the time when he couldn't vote growing up in rural Va.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #72)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:10 AM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

91. And in the real world, the party works its ass off to disrupt and avoid change.

If you are not the right kind of Democrat, you will be driven out of the local party apparatus.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:53 AM

haikugal (6,476 posts)

86. There it is!!!

As usual...voters want a pony....eat your peas....ad nauseam!

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:47 PM

Mojorabbit (16,020 posts)

121. Bingo! nt

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:08 PM

Liberal_in_LA (44,397 posts)

127. Lol

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:13 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

185. I'm in complete agreement...

with your perfectly sarcastic post.

The blind loyalists who believe all us voters are stopping them from boarding the "Gravy Train".

I find it amusing that they claim "voters" are too lazy to vote. Wouldn't that make them "non-voters"?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:57 AM

hobbit709 (41,694 posts)

15. Maybe the party should give them a reason by offering a CLEAR choice

Not as bad as the other guys is not exactly a real choice

Too many people see both parties as corporate stooges so their attitude is "I'm going to get screwed either way so I won't have anything to do with either of them"

THAT is the response I get from about 2/3 of the people I talk to about voting.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:06 AM

abelenkpe (9,933 posts)

36. +1000

Thought the same during midterms. Offering nothing but we're not as bad as the other guy is a losing strategy.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:06 AM

Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)

37. That's been my experience as well.

Every Bernie event we have we register voters. I can't tell you how many people have told me, "I have never voted/I don't usually vote but I want to vote for Bernie." Bernie is the counter to the disenfranchised voter. Hillary perpetuates it.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:17 AM

gwheezie (3,580 posts)

43. A bit of advice

Take it for what it's worth. If you really want to change the party do not stop with Bernie. Start growing the new democrats by either running for office yourself or organize to get people you support elected to everything from school board to sheriff in your county. Put up some people for your state legislature. That's how you build the party. Expecting the party backbone to change because you say so is naive. Grow your movement. This is how the teabagger changed the GOP.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:44 AM

yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)

57. I would love to run. Unfortunately I have not had a squeaky clean life

I haven't been arrested or anything but my financial life is not perfect. I haven't claimed bankruptcy but still a lot of debt which will be used by a challenger and any other perceived negative in my life will be used. Politics are awful today.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #57)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:51 AM

gwheezie (3,580 posts)

60. My early pole dancing days doom me

Joking.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:47 AM

Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)

59. I'm not a Democrat and since they sold me out years ago

I'm not going to do their work for them. By law (and my own ethics) I register voters regardless of which party, or lack thereof, with which they register. I just happen to do it at our Bernie events.

Not sure where you assume that I "expect the party backbone to change because you say so." I see the Democratic Party in reality-based terms -- working for the same .01% as the Republicans. and they aren't about to shut down the gravy train. Personally, and especially after watching the DNC interference for Hillary, I think the Democratic Party has done irreparable harm to itself because people have caught on to the game. That's particularly true of millennials.

As for elections, if you haven't noticed, the system is rigged. The Party controls the candidates and if a progressive challenges their precious third-way-corporate shills they mobilize to choke off the campaign in any number of ways. Remember, this isn't the Republicans, these are the "Democrats." You know, the ones we're all supposed to get together and sing Kum Ba Ya if their corporate shill happens to "win" the nomination? I'm not going to be a part of that and neither should you. Neither should anyone.

ALL of this is controlled down to every City Council, County Supervisory Board, School Board, Water Board and dog catcher. Local control can either be by political parties or other entities but they're all working for the same goal and that goal isn't us.

Now, having said all that, I've worked campaigns/causes for 40 years, regardless of chances of winning. I just don't do it out of party loyalty for a party that no longer represents me nor wants me in it. I do it because I truly believe in the cause/candidate and try to walk the walk as I talk the talk.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:53 AM

gwheezie (3,580 posts)

62. It takes all kinds I quess

Your way isn't wrong but how do you get folks to run for higher office unless they start somewhere

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:01 AM

Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)

66. First you have to find the right person.

For me, they have to have integrity and a willingness to fight the good fight. There are other criteria as well but that's where I start. Then it's all up to the powers of persuasion BUT whoever is doing the persuading needs to have some gravitas and ensure that there is a ground game in place willing to back their candidacy.

After that it varies. If the progressive candidate is running against an incumbent Democrat in the primaries, the California Democratic Party has decided that the local organizations must back the incumbent, no matter how odius (see Jim Costa). So the question becomes is your candidate better off registering as a Democrat and having to wage a battle against the Democratic Party AND the Republicans or do you consider other options?

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:37 AM

haikugal (6,476 posts)

95. Thank You!!!

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:12 AM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

92. A bit of advice

Don't assume we haven't tried.

If you are not the right kind of Democrat, the party prefers a blank on the ballot.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #92)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:04 PM

Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)

99. That is correct.

I worked within the party for almost 30 years and the biggest obstacles were put up by fellow Democrats. We could take the Republicans, it was the entrenched Democratic Party structure unwilling to see anything different than the same way they've always done it (with increasingly diminishing results). Not only are they unwilling to change, they're unwilling to engage in any type of correcting self examination.

I only have so much energy and I don't have time to spend on battling the local party potentates.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:40 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

190. No.

The GOP has won because the highest level put money and effort into local campaigns.

Democrats are losing because the highest level is focused on the WH only.

It's one reason I support Bernie Sanders. He worked his way up from local to national politics by way of support from real people, instead of conditional party support.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:36 PM

joshcryer (61,591 posts)

147. That is what the Republicans want you to think.

It's self perpetrating, Democrats aren't much different than Republicans, let the Republicans office, government is poorly done, proof there is no difference.

But no, that's wrong, put the Democrat in office and life is demonstratively better. It is a bullshit lie that they are not much different. A lie that the Republicans are either behind or well meaning ideologues on the left who are too stupid to realize they are being played.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #147)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:43 PM

hobbit709 (41,694 posts)

149. Then I suggest you talk to the people on the bottom.

all they see is they're getting screwed by both sides.
Like I said 2/3 of the people that don't bother to vote that I've talked to see life that way.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #149)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:49 PM

joshcryer (61,591 posts)

150. Don't lecture me about what I should do.

Real life isn't empty soundbites.

The people not voting are the youth, and they need inspiration that they are not getting because the people they would vote for are bashed daily.

Voter apathy is the only way the Republicans stay in power, so they rely on this shit more than anyone.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #150)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:51 PM

hobbit709 (41,694 posts)

151. "Look in the mirror, boy" when you talk about lecturing.

There are plenty of people in my age group that are just as uninspired.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #151)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:57 PM

joshcryer (61,591 posts)

153. That kind of talk will surely motivate voters.

The boomers fucked us for two generations.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #153)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:00 PM

hobbit709 (41,694 posts)

157. Oh, goody goody gumdrops, blame the boomers.

That is more pitiful than funny.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #157)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:27 PM

joshcryer (61,591 posts)

189. No, this is pitiful:

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #153)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:53 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

192. Not only are you not motivating...

but your views on the various generations are a major turn off.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #192)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:55 PM

joshcryer (61,591 posts)

193. Yeah, because the education, housing, and climate...

...crisis were all brought on by kids not even born yet.

I would rather we look at the facts and then get ourselves out of this mess by moving forward, and that is by motivating these kids who never had a fucking chance in hell to go out and vote, not tell them that there's no difference between the parties.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #193)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:16 AM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

195. Wargle Bargle is that you?

Your posts have such a familiar feel to them.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #195)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:24 AM

joshcryer (61,591 posts)

197. Nice.

I know I've won the argument when people result to pointless banter.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:20 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

168. Harry Truman figured that out a long, long time ago.

'Given a choice between a fake Republican and a real one the public will choose...the real Republican every time".

Truer words, etc.,etc.......

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:33 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

187. "Not as bad as the other guys is not exactly a real choice"

I assume by your avatar you are in Texas. Correct me if I am wrong.

Here in Texas the Democratic Party is nothing but lame. How do you lose to idiots like Abbott, Patrick or Paxton? By being lame.

The proof is when the losers jump on the Clinton bandwagon. All aboard the "Gravy Train". Not you proles.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:20 PM

frylock (34,825 posts)

116. Why aren't consumers buying our shitty product?

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Response to frylock (Reply #116)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:26 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

170. We'll put the same old shit

in a glitzy NEW package! That's so much easier than changing the shitty product. And we can say it's not QUITE as bad as Brand X, even though it's 85% as bad as Brand X.

A sure winner, everyone. Cigars for all.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:56 PM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

182. No, a thousand times no!

The Democratic Party needs to quit fucking us over.

I vote every election, no matter how small or local. I'm seeing little, if anything at all, Democratic related to vote on for many cycles.

Quit blaming voters. The Party is giving us NOTHING!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:48 AM

Moliere (285 posts)

10. Let us all give thanks to DWS for this mess

Howard Dean should have been congratulated for his efforts and not disposed of

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Response to Moliere (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:50 AM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

11. I agree! She needs to be fired immediately!

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Response to B Calm (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:01 AM

DinahMoeHum (19,751 posts)

16. DWS - Doesn't Win Squat

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:57 AM

Omaha Steve (77,886 posts)

29. How can you say that about her with her eyes on a cabinet seat?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:16 AM

DinahMoeHum (19,751 posts)

42. If that's satire, it stinks.

Her "leadership" and judgement suck, big time.
She's a L-O-S-E-R.

I want Howard Dean back in her position.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:01 AM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

31. Non voters doesn't win squat, we can't blame someone else for not voting, it lies with every citizen

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:21 AM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

46. Shitty candidates don't get voters voting

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:31 AM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

51. So we should like the republican candidates more, doesnt make sense to me.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:13 PM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

164. Funny you should say that.

For the last decade that has been the Democratic party strategy.

"Be more like the Republicans."
"Republicans win elections, we need to be more like the Republicans!"
"When we don't win, it's liberals' fault, we need to be more conservative!"

And the result is that the Democratic base - liberals and the left - sees worse and worse candidates put forth and supported by hte increasingly conservative party elite. The Democrats are in effect suppressing their own vote.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #164)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:20 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

167. Not the Democratic party I know.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #167)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:07 AM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

194. The Democratic Party of Texas...

is a sham. For you to pretend different is laughable.

Your avatar should be a reminder, to every Texas Democrat, what happens when the party becomes complicit with the GOP.

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Response to Moliere (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:57 AM

Dustlawyer (9,601 posts)

28. Dean's 50 state strategy is a proven winner!

Also, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce started dumping large amounts of money on state and local races 40 years ago since a little money in each race would make all of the difference. Our Party has NEVER TRIED to compete with this, they let it continue! Why?

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:18 AM

pscot (20,952 posts)

45. Unfortunately, it's the Republicans

who are using it to win.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:58 PM

joshcryer (61,591 posts)

155. Yes! Bring back the blue dogs!

Couldn't agree more!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:30 PM

truebluegreen (9,033 posts)

171. I suppose in the past it was about

being a Democrat = no organized party whereas the Republicans (authoritarians that they are) have always played the long game. Now I think its more about having a one party system (the Business Party) with half of it willing to throw a few bread crusts to the masses.

Personally, I think we lost this one (a Republic, if you can keep it) and are now just rearranging the deck chairs.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #171)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:58 PM

Dustlawyer (9,601 posts)

173. Sad but,true!

I still have hope thanks to Bernie, but a lot of eyes need to be opened.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #173)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:07 PM

truebluegreen (9,033 posts)

178. Ditto regarding Bernie...

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:52 AM

DCBob (24,689 posts)

12. Its the "foxification" of America.

RW media has brainwashed the electorate into thinking everything "Democrat" is evil. Just listen to Fox, Hannity, Limbaugh, or any RW radio host.. its shocking the crap they spew and more shocking how many people believe it.

if we dont counter RW media dominance we are doomed.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:27 AM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

77. +1

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:55 AM

Octafish (55,745 posts)

14. Whatever happened to the Bully Pulpit?

Apart from the TPP, I don't recall much of an effort to change minds the classic way, through rhetoric - the art of persuasive speaking.

Thank you for the heads-up on Admiral Loinpresser's series, Scuba. That's a lot of change in reverse.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:53 AM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

63. Precisely.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:40 AM

kelliekat44 (7,759 posts)

97. The Bully pulpit only works when people listen and the pulpit gets coverage.

Obama can't get a forum from the media like Trump can. Whose fault is that?

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:04 AM

ncteechur (3,071 posts)

17. Here are the reasons...

1. It's easier to run against something or someone than stand for something. GOP is good at demonization.
2. Gerrymandering.
3. Democrats are terrible in midterm and off-year elections. Just pitiful.
4. All politics are local and we dems focus on the White House but less on local and state politics.
5. Power of incumbency. Once a bad politician is in its very difficult to remove unless there are term limits.

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Response to ncteechur (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:20 AM

Freddie (7,012 posts)

19. "All politics is local" and incumbency are huge factors

I know people who will vote for their R state rep because "he helped Grandpa get his veterans benefits" and other personal reasons that only a local politician can do. They think "he's such a nice guy, not a whack job like the other R's" while that state rep goes back to Harrisburg and votes in lockstep with the party. Multiply that by millions.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:39 AM

tavernier (8,994 posts)

54. That's very true.

That, and unless R or D helped grandpa, most folks don't care enough to vote unless it's every 4 years for the big one. Hell, many don't even know that there ARE other elections. "Who are these people and why don't they get their damned irritating posters and commercials out of my face?"

But they do care who the Kardashians are dating.

And that's why the donald might very well be our next president.

And p.s. - I'll betcha that 75 % of registered democrats have never even heard of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, so there will be no rush for change on that front.

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Response to ncteechur (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:25 AM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

75. Don't bring sane, rational thought to a riot...

DU has spoken, and this is all Obama's fault

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:52 AM

Amimnoch (4,558 posts)

24. Most of those seats were gained by Democrats under President Bush.

This is not unusual for the party of the president to drive the opposite party into power because everything bad always gets hung on the President's head.

check out:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

Going all the way back to 1945, there's been few times that either party had the Legislative and executive branches wrapped up.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:29 AM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

79. good find..

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:13 PM

brentspeak (18,290 posts)

103. There is no precedent for the amount of seats and legislatures the GOP have taken

And you conveniently left out the crucial point about state legislatures being captured by the GOP. That is a failure squarely on Obama's choice for DNC chair -- Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #103)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:36 PM

Amimnoch (4,558 posts)

118. ahhhh, I'm sorry didn't realize this was just an anti DWS shill thread.

I get it now. Nevermind I'll just move along to something interesting.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #118)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:56 PM

brentspeak (18,290 posts)

123. If you support DWS, it's hard to say if you truly support the party. n/t

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #123)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:57 PM

Amimnoch (4,558 posts)

124. ahhh, "if you're not with me, you're against me"..

Where have i heard that one before?

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #124)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:58 PM

brentspeak (18,290 posts)

125. I don't know. Ask DWS

as she helps to run the party into the ground.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:34 PM

GeorgeGist (23,735 posts)

142. Surely then, Carson or Trump will save us.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:52 AM

LiberalArkie (13,874 posts)

25. Anybody remember back when the Democratic party was Liberal

When just about ever state was Democratic, when idealism wasn't ridiculed. Back when the government built public housing because it was wrong to have people living on the streets. Back when public welfare was good and helped people in need.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:01 AM

abelenkpe (9,933 posts)

33. Nope. Hear it was once like that though

Must have been nice.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:42 AM

Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)

55. I remember that

I remember Great Society commercials that spoke of hope for the future, of ending poverty and discrimination, of creating a society where the elderly could lead fulfilling lives without fear of losing everything

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:16 AM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

93. No. I'm not a Boomer, so that was before my time.

There has never been a Democratic candidate on my ballot for federal office that I actually wanted. 20 years of "who else you gonna vote for?" gets tiring.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:58 AM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

30. Who approved a 30% voter turnout. We are giving the offices to republicans, republicans vote,

what is wrong with voting? We are mad our wages are going up and sit back and allow the republicans to vote their candidates in office, what does this say about Democrats?

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:17 AM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

94. That we are putting up shitty candidates that inspire indifference. (nt)

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:14 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

129. Which republican candidates do you deem better than the Democrat candidate?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #129)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:18 PM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

131. Not voting does not mean the Republicans are better.

Not voting means the Democratic candidates suck. That is independent of how much the Republican candidates suck.

Yes, the end result benefits Republicans, but the vast majority of Democratic voters are not motivated by hatred. Thus they will not reflexively vote for the Democrat out of hatred of Republicans.

Democratic candidates need to give voters a reason to vote for them, not give reasons to vote against the Republican.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #131)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:27 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

133. It means a lost vote for Democrats, a positive in the minds of republicans, they love low turnouts,

they win.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #133)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:29 PM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

134. Yes. Which is why you should bother to find out why "Republicans bad!!!" is utterly failing

instead of continuing to shout "Republicans bad!!!"

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:37 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

135. Why am I seeing the complaining about Republicans winning in the last election?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #135)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:54 PM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

136. The last election was Tuesday. We didn't do well, and turnout was low.

The election before that was 2014. We did abysmally and turnout was low.

The election before that was 2012, Obama won by 1/2 the margin in 2008, and we lost a lot of state races. Turnout was down from 2008.

The election before that was 2010. We did abysmally and turnout was low.

The election before that was 2008, we did very well by giving people something to vote for (Hope and Change), not just "Republicans bad!". Turnout went up.

Where are you seeing "complaining about Republicans" winning in the last election?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #136)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:17 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

138. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:56 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

144. This op.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #136)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:11 PM

Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)

184. Not sure what State you live in, but here in 2014 we elected good Democrats, legalized marijuana

and put an ERA into the Constitution, turnout was about 70% or twice that of the national average. 2010 was much the same but we actually broke midterm records that year. CA, next door also wiped the floor with Republicans in 2010.
So if it's all about these deep existential longings for inspiration ala church, why then do some States vote and elect good officials and practice decent policies while others do not? Why are entire States spared this angst?

It's really super easy to vote here, so people vote. Think about that. The more people vote, the better the candidates and propositions become.
So I tend to think that access and ease of voting are factors those of you in States with low turnout should certainly consider because turnout is how you eventually get things moved along. And your State makes election laws which can in fact be changed.

Tuesday's election here was purely local, we passed a property tax levy to extend hours at branch libraries. No candidates, one question. It was single issue voting in the most literal possible sense.
But it was a tax hike for libraries and it did pass.....

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:03 AM

AngryAmish (25,704 posts)

35. Our appeal is just more selective

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:14 AM

Purrfessor (1,118 posts)

40. The saturation of Rant Radio across this country and the 24/7

demonization of Democrats and liberal policies plays a major role in getting Republicans elected, I believe. Driving from Ohio to Tennessee Rant Radio covers the AM dial. Not a single progressive voice on it. For that you need Sirius.

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Response to Purrfessor (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:28 AM

get the red out (13,416 posts)

78. This!!!!!!

You've got it! Nailed.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:29 AM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

80. +1

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:41 PM

Fumesucker (45,851 posts)

161. Another thing we can thank Bill Clinton for

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:30 AM

Turbineguy (31,927 posts)

50. Gerrymandering works!

Why even bother to vote? I can get screwed and save the price of a stamp.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:33 AM

Adrahil (13,340 posts)

52. But hey, the party doesn't matter, according to some here. nt

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:35 AM

TBF (31,860 posts)

53. Complicity. K & R nt

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:51 AM

blackspade (10,056 posts)

61. The DNC under DWS has been a joke.

This is her loosing record.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:56 AM

Tarc (9,819 posts)

64. "Admiral Loinpresser" ?

How charming.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:59 AM

Botany (58,269 posts)

65. Gerrymandering, election rigging, a dirty media, and Debbie W Schultz

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article32685087.html

BTW a call to Dr. Dean might be good.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:04 AM

ileus (15,393 posts)

68. We will take back many of those next November....all is not lost.

The next year will doom the pukes.

We will retain the Oval office, and retake the Senate next cycle, and take many seats back from congress.

But even with all that our real power will be Hillarys two picks on the SC that will set our agenda for decades...

Give us 8 years and you'll be dancing in the streets....they don't have the numbers to win. With the SC on our side we can't lose...

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:05 AM

Arkana (24,347 posts)

70. If only Obama hadn't been so black, we'd still have all those seats.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:24 AM

former9thward (23,337 posts)

196. Wasn't Obama black in 2008 and 2012?

I guess people missed that.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #196)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:10 PM

Arkana (24,347 posts)

215. Yeah, but he got blacker in the off years.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:26 AM

BlueStateLib (937 posts)

76. democrats abandoned the center

Throw a progressive under the bus and they stay home, throw a centrist under the bus and they vote republican.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:33 AM

angrychair (7,130 posts)

81. All politics is local

We need a canidiate and a cause that goes a different direction, if my choices are light grey and dark grey, what the hell do I care who wins. The age of the 'superstar' candidate is dead. Presidential politics won't carry the day alone anymore...coattails Are not what they used to be. We need the on the ground, grassroots local government candidates to carry the day.

If I tell people I need your taxes dollars for this thing or that thing and it never happens or takes years and more tax dollars and the benefit is not as visible anymore, it makes me less inclined to believe you next time you need my money or effort.
Our candidates have to matter. They have to be different. We need to refocus our efforts at the town, county and state levels.

All politics is local

Win the hearts and minds at a town, county and state level, you win them at a federal level. Talk to people, listen to people and be accountable to people.

I am a progressive. Ask me why.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:47 AM

melm00se (4,130 posts)

84. The root cause of this issue

is that the Republican party have messages that are resonating with voters and the Democratic party does not.

it's that simple.

Say/champion something that a voter supports and they will vote for you.
Say/champion something that a voter doesn't support and they won't vote for you.

Say what you like about Trump, his message is resonating with enough voters to make the race between him and Clinton far far far closer than it should be.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:06 PM

jwirr (39,215 posts)

100. IMO the real consequences of this are huge. When a state

has Rs in control there is little that can be done from the top to help. The ACA is a prime example. 30+ states refused to become part of the new expanded Medicaid and this made sure that the poor in their states did not get the help needed and it also contributed to the problems ACA is having as a whole.

I have often said that FDR's New Deal did not reach the inner cities and the reservations. This is why. Local officials who did not push it for these areas.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:18 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

139. /\_/\_And this_/\_/\

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:08 PM

davidn3600 (6,342 posts)

101. Yet people on here constantly talk of the impending death of the Republican party

The reality is this...the Democrats have had success when it comes to the White House. But we are getting routed at the state and local level....especially outside the urban areas. The rural areas are VERY Republican. And that's why they will have the House of Representatives for the foreseeable future.

Gerrymandering is part of it, but not all of it. Take a look at the electoral maps by county....the urban areas are blue and the rural areas are all red. We have a urban-rural political divide in this country. That's not going to change anytime soon. Things like gun control that now Hillary wants to push will only further the divide and hurt Democrats running in House and Senate races.

Yes, we captured the House in 2006 and expanded control in 2008. But we need to stop living in that past because it's completely gone up in smoke since. And that's not just a temporary condition. Many of the Democrats that won 2006 due to Dean's 50 state strategy were moderate. They won in conservative areas. So when the Democrat House started to pass "liberal" legislation, they got slaughtered in 2010. Democrats cannot capture the House unless they get moderates to win in conservative areas. Ramping up vote totals in the urban areas won't do much when it comes to the House.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:10 PM

moondust (16,564 posts)

102. The Great Bigot Revolt n/t

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:16 PM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

104. How many of those were lost during the off years?

The GOP made inroads when Obama was not on the ticket and Democrats thought it was cool to stay the fuck home and not vote. Obama ran twice and both times increased the amount of Democrats in the house and senate. I won't read the articles for the same reason I don't read Red State.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:39 PM

Maedhros (10,007 posts)

109. Party apparatchiks have been shoving the "Lesser of Two Evils" mantra down out throats

for two decades.

How has that worked out for us?

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:43 PM

DreamGypsy (2,252 posts)

111. Americans for Prosperity was founded in 2003...

...in the four years 2003-2006, Americans for Prosperity received $1,181,000 from conservative foundations, so about $300K per year.

In the 2012 campaign the 17 allied groups in the Freedom Network raised, and presumably spent, $407 million.

And now, from Koch Brothers' network will drop almost $1 billion on 2016 election, we find that

The stunning sum from Freedom Partners would dwarf expected spending from official GOP committees and many of the hopefuls expected to seek the party's presidential nomination in 2016. The $889 million budget is almost twice what 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney spent from his campaign accounts.

Democrats lose when politician are bought and sold by conservatives. Oh, and when Democrats don't bother to vote.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:13 PM

Iggo (43,801 posts)

114. Thanks, Debbie!

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:37 PM

hollowdweller (4,229 posts)

119. Dems have not come thru for the middle class

That's #1

We have been liberal on social issues but not really on economic ones.

Look at the rust belt. There was no dem money or plan to bring prosperity to those regions after Dems voted for free trade and sent their jobs overseas.

So if neither party is seen as better or worse for the working class, and the GOP paints dems as the party of gun control and taxes that will further reduce their income they vote republican.

The dems really need a unified vision for the country that involves a decent wage, family leave, a secure retirement and hope for the working class to move up.

Also the Dems have not branded the GOP like the GOP has branded the dems. I have seen people in rural areas actually apologize because they support some things Obama has done because being a democrat is not cool.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:40 PM

leftstreet (32,488 posts)

148. +1

Good post, this especially

So if neither party is seen as better or worse for the working class, and the GOP paints dems as the party of gun control and taxes that will further reduce their income they vote republican.

No kidding

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:38 PM

L. Coyote (47,118 posts)

120. And when you finally look at the bottom line:

The statistics evidence cheating the American people of majority representation.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:49 PM

Rex (65,616 posts)

122. The M$M and Hate Radio are powerful, they have helped divide this country for decades.

They also cause so much fear in their audience, that they will go and vote no matter what it says on the ballot. A very dangerous group of people, that react to fear and anger.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:03 PM

pinebox (5,761 posts)

126. We need progressive candidates

Not blue dogs. This past Tuesday exemplifies why. People stay home and aren't excited about who's running.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:55 PM

KamaAina (78,249 posts)

137. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is President?!

Who knew?

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:20 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

140. I see what you did there.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 04:37 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

145. Close enuff for gubmint work.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:08 PM

WillyT (72,631 posts)

146. K & R !!!

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:58 PM

HassleCat (6,409 posts)

154. We always blame the president for the failures of our party

But the president is not the architect of party strategy. At least I don't think he had much of a hand in developing the current approach. I fact, I would say the party shows some reluctance about getting too closely associated with the president. It seems they want to claim him or brush him off, depending on circumstances.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:40 PM

LoveIsNow (356 posts)

160. To be fair, we gained seats both times he was on the ballot.

It's our "strategy" of ignoring local elections in favor of the presidency that's screwing us over.

And even that, I would somewhat attribute to Citizens United.

However, I think the Republicans are beating us in grassroots enthusiasm as well, so you can't really blame it all on money. Cold and calculated may be a good strategy to make best use of our scarce financial resources, but it's not a good strategy for actually getting people into the voting booth.

You gotta give 'em hope.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:49 PM

MFrohike (1,980 posts)

191. Wow

I'm shocked to see this on DU. It was one thing to write off 2010 to the "stab in the back" myth of low Democratic participation, but 3 full cycles of losses are a reality that can't be ignored. Sure, the guy at the top limped out a win in 2012, but that's about it. It's a complete meltdown and it's time to acknowledge that reality as well as finding the causes. It's not all money and it's not all racism (though I've seen plenty of both at play, living in a battleground state). Those two things have put the GOP over the top, but it's not what put them in striking distance. It's time to come to Jesus on how that happened.

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Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:47 AM

Bernblu (441 posts)

199. The problem is the alienation and disaffection of working people from the Democratic party

Only 37% of the public bothered to vote in 2014. TPP and the election of Clinton and her third-way economic and trade policies may be the finals nails in the coffin. I don't know if the Democratic party will recover to be a viable national party again. We desperately need Sanders to be elected and provide real change.

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Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:33 AM

Truprogressive85 (900 posts)