Warren and Sanders just voted throw Social Security and Medicare recipients under the bus...

[Cali_Democrat]

....according to DU.

A few days ago, many folks here were going ballistic over the budget deal compromise reached between the White House and Congress. People claimed Obama was slashing Social Security and Medicare yada yada yada.

Well, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren just voted for the budget deal.

I wonder if people here will have the same reaction to their support for the bill.

For some reason, I doubt it.

Carry on.

[Journeyman]

1. Too many people on these boards, as in life, react rather than reflect . . .

and their responses are more often embarrassing rather than enlightening.

[dhill926]

24. exactly...

[Flying Phoenix]

2. I approve of the budget deal.

The fix for SS is in, so I'm happy.

[pampango]

25. Agreed. I think the point is not that Bernie and Elizabeth are wrong but that the deal is worthwhile

given the support it received from both of them.

[bravenak]

3. Reactionaries.

[tularetom]

4. Give it up, you aren't convincing anybody

[upaloopa]

5. They are saving room for Bernie under the bus

but not just now. At some point next year he will endorse Hillary then all bets are off.

[djean111]

6. There is literally nothing that any politician could do that would make me support Hillary.

So, fail.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. You think my goal is to get you to vote for Hillary? LOL!

I really don't care who you vote for in the primaries or the GE.

Do whatever the hell you want.

[sharp_stick]

15. He's got you there

everybody knows that you won't rest until all of DU is smiling over a Hillary Presidency.

The amazing power you wield is like Thor's hammer but for making people vote the way you want them to.



because some people just won't get it without the little smily.

[djean111]

18. Why else the barrage of ridiculous OPs against Bernie?

Just pointlessly amusing your self, throwing pot-shots?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

26. +1 .. n/t

[RichGirl]

38. A little history lesson....

So many didn't like Gore. So much so that they voted for Nader.

Question everyone needs to ask themselves: Would you rather be right or would you rather be happy.

P.S. Nader voters weren't happy with 8 years of Bush.

[djean111]

39. Right now, I dislike the idea of Clinton being president intensely. I hate the constant barrage of

assumption that she will of course be the candidate just as much. Sorry, but the thought that this was always a done deal turns me completely off of politics. Democracy? Dead. Money and power will have won. No need for further help from me, I am not going to be an enabler.

Besides, if Hillary already has this thing sewn up, my little old white woman vote is not needed, eh?
And yeah, I would quit DU.

Oh, and Gore would have won if the election was not stolen, if Gore would have fought - you are giving Nader way too much credit, and it really looks like you are already looking for a scapegoat when Hillary loses.

End of conversation.

[LanternWaste]

7. I look forward to the drawings of a distinction without a difference.

I look forward to the drawings of a distinction without a difference.

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. It's all good now. It has the BS seal of approval.

[99th_Monkey]

9. I blame the mixed signals & mis-information flying around about the Budget deal ...

When it was reported that the deal included a 20% cut in Social Security, for example -- which
turned out to not be the case in the final deal -- there was an understandable outcry about that.

Sad that this then gets mis-used to snipe at Sanders supporters. oh well.

[geek tragedy]

10. agreed. it bears noting that the vast, vast majority of Bernie supporters

waited to read what it said. (as did the majority of Clinton supporters)

but it is good to see that Bernie's support is considered the gold standard for this sort of thing

[Faux pas]

11. From what I've gleaned

the cuts are to double dipping couples. It's called file and suspend. http://www.socialsecuritychoices.com/info/fileandsuspend.php

If that's the case, I'm fine with it. I'm only dipping once.

[PoliticAverse]

20. Another detailed article on the issue...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1261321

[Faux pas]

21. Thanks!

[Omaha Steve]

29. 1,400 SSDI judges approved it too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027302619


Also there will now be ONE uniform code for disability. No more different rules from state to state. I posted it a couple days ago. Bernie voted the way I wanted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/us/politics/congress-and-white-house-near-deal-on-budget.html

Snip: Aides said the Social Security Disability Insurance program would be amended, in part to tighten and standardize eligibility requirements that now vary by state. That change was projected to save the government $5 billion.

In addition, the accord will call for eliminating a provision of the Affordable Care Act, not yet in force, that would require businesses with more than 200 employees to automatically enroll their workers for health insurance.

The emerging deal would also reallocate funds among Social Security program trust funds to ensure solvency of the disability insurance program. Such reallocations have occurred regularly over the decades but Republicans had opposed any new reallocation without changes to reduce costs of the program.

The prospective agreement would also prevent expected increases in out-of-pocket costs for millions of Medicare Part B beneficiaries. The increases would have been caused by the rare absence of a cost-of-living increase in Social Security for some beneficiaries, because of unusually low inflation.

[Faux pas]

34. If the judges agree, it must be right

[Triana]

12. NCPSSM reported on the issue...

...it seems some reports claimed the deal included terrible cuts. NCPSSM explained why that isn't so...I posted about the confusion (MY confusion, admittedly, and apparently others as well) yesterday. . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027299410

[BlueJazz]

14. Like your Logo things. Would be a shame if some person stole one of them...

[Triana]

22. Steal away. I stole them from someone - here or twitter...

...can't remember now.

[BlueJazz]

30. Thank you much!

[hobbit709]

16. Hyperbole much?

[Eleanors38]

17. Umm. Let's go back to Gunz©!!

[Rex]

19. Ouch tuff choice, we either do GD-P or the Gungeon.

Pass on both.

[Eleanors38]

23. I read an editorial by Louis Black, editor of the Austin Chronicle (latest)...

wherein he excoriated Hillary over her dishonest attack on Sanders' votes; specifically the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). Black is a pretty lefty, counter-culture type, and knew a stinker when he saw it. And that issue was a Stinker.

[lark]

27. People were reacting mostly based on rumors.

Once they knew that the compromise actually protected SSI disability and Medicare, the concern went away.

[Egnever]

31. People were doing what they always do here

Fly off the handle with little to no information. It happens time and again.
Jo
This place likes to pretend facts matter but this is just another example where they don't.

What matters here is bloggers interpretation of facts.

It's sad, but not really surprising.

[NCTraveler]

28. I'm saving room for Sanders right next to me under the bus.

Maddow, Warren and I are currently sipping tea under it. It's an amazing group of people.

[INdemo]

32. This is rally bad..

there has to be organized efforts from the Hillary campaign and probably Bill acting in his dirty politics way to come up with this Bull Shit like this..
The Bernie Sanders vote on the Budget was explained on his Web Site.

When I say organized effort I mean just that.Just like the Karl Rove tactics used on progressive site in 2004 and 2008 where he encourage freepers to visit those sites and stir up shit.
You know what Hillary supporters your tactics are working because negative posts are not going unnoticed.


Bernie Sanders talked about the SS and Medicare being included in the Budget at two of his rally's and said it was totally unacceptable.

Hillary supporters you are desperate.

Will i get an alert for this?

[tweetybird]

33. Understanding the cuts to SSDI

These permanent cuts were pushed through so fast that it is understandable that there was conflicting information. This is a big deal to those of us on SSDI as our only income. SSI is similar to a welfare program as it is for people who have not paid in enough to receive benefits and they receive a flat benefit amount. SSDI is based on what you paid in and is essentially what you would get at full retirement.

I am reading that they are changing it to a flat benefit of 130% of poverty level. Could this be treating SSDI more like a welfare like program so that they could make further cuts to it in the future?
For me that will be a benefit cut of $140 a month for me a single person that is huge!! Does anyone know if this is true? The specifics of this bill are a big deal for those of us on SSDI so please tread lightly.

Did Sanders and Warren take the time to know the specifics of the cuts? From what I understand the way it was written is very confusing and took time to fully understand.

[librechik]

35. as I understand it these cuts were taken off the table at the last minute.

I'll try to find a link, but I think we are safe momentarily.

[librechik]

36. Here's a link

"The emerging deal would also reallocate funds among Social Security program trust funds to ensure solvency of the disability insurance program. Such reallocations have occurred regularly over the decades but Republicans had opposed any new reallocation without changes to reduce costs of the program."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/us/politics/congress-and-white-house-near-deal-on-budget.html?_r=0

[Kang Colby]

37. The budget deal did end the file and suspend option for the collection of spousal benefits...

It will hurt middle class families...but there are so few left it doesn't matter to most DUers.