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Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:37 PM

Obama is about to throw Medicare and SSD recipients under the bus in pursuit of a budget deal

The deal would increase spending by $80 bill over two years, and would be offset by Social Security Disability and Medicare benefit cuts. A Democratic president, striking a deal on the backs of those who can least afford it. I have no words for this. (Well, actually I do, but nothing I'd care to repeat in polite company.)

From The New York Times:

[font size=5]Congress and White House Near Budget Deal[/font]

[font size=2]By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN | OCT. 26, 2015[/font]

WASHINGTON — Congressional leaders and the Obama administration are close to a crucial budget deal that would modestly increase domestic spending over the next two years, make cuts in social programs and raise the federal borrowing limit. The accord would avert a potentially cataclysmic default on the government’s debt and dispense with perhaps the most divisive issue in Washington just before Speaker John A. Boehner is expected to turn over his gavel to Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin.

While congressional aides cautioned that the deal was not yet clinched, officials briefed on the negotiations said the emerging accord would increase spending by $80 billion, not including emergency war funding, over two years above the previously agreed-upon budget caps.

Those increases would be offset by cuts in spending on Medicare and Social Security disability benefits, as well as savings or revenue from an array of other programs, including changes to the nation’s strategic petroleum reserves.

If the deal happens, it would represent a significant breakthrough after years of gridlock in Congress, especially on fiscal issues, as each side compromised on a core issue. It also would give Mr. Ryan a clean start as speaker and Republicans a reset on trying to convince voters that they can be an effective governing majority.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:45 PM

1. I have no clue what this means -

The prospective agreement would also prevent expected increases in out-of-pocket costs for millions of Medicare Part B beneficiaries. The increases would have been caused by the rare absence of a cost-of-living increase in Social Security for some beneficiaries, because of unusually low inflation.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:00 PM

7. It refers to the increase in premiums for part B

Basically, if there is no cost of living adjustment then the people who are currently on SS don't have to pay the increase in premium making all of the increase in cost to be borne by the rest of the recipients meaning that those people got a massive premium increase. Apparently that is somehow being cut for those people.

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Response to dsc (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:37 PM

81. Does this mean that teachers in the

states where they don't get SS will be paying more than those who receive SS benefits? We had no choice in the matter. A few years ago when Medicare was $94.90 and was taken out of the SS checks, those of us who didn't get SS had to pay $115.90 per month. This looks like the same thing again. So unfair.

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Response to dsc (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:08 AM

99. I just researched a lot as I am going to be 65...here is the info you need and info on bills to stop

the increases for certain groups.

I've been researching as I'm going to be 65 and am going off the supplemental I've had while on disabiity (being gouged bigtime for years) and going onto a regular people's supplement during open enrollment!

Along the way I found the info on the Medicare premium increases...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/advisor/2015/10/15/rising-medicare-premiums-will-you-pay-more-in-2016/


"Get ready to pay higher premiums in 2016 if you fall into one of these groups: those who enroll in Medicare for the first time in 2016; those who don’t receive a Social Security benefit at age 65 or who pay their Medicare premiums directly rather than having them deducted from their Social Security payment; and those who are already paying a higher premium because of higher income. AARP provides a good analysis of who will have to pay the higher premiums in their article: Some Medicare Premiums Could Spike.

The premium increase also applies to those who are dual Medicare and Medicaid recipients and whose premiums are paid by state Medicaid programs. However, in this case the state will have to pay the increased premiums not the recipient."

A few days ago, Ron Wyden and another Dem introduced a bill to cancel these provisions, but who knows what will happen to it...

http://www.cahealthadvocates.org/news/basics/2015/will-part-b-prem-deductable-increase.html

In response to advocacy from many beneficiary organizations, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) introduced the “Protecting Medicare Beneficiaries Act of 2015” (S.2148) and Rep. Dina Titus (D-NV) introduced the “Medicare Premium Fairness Act” (H.R.3693) in early October 2015. The bills would hold the Part B premium stable at $104.90 for the 30% of beneficiaries who would otherwise have to pay $159.30 monthly, and would maintain the annual deductible at $147 for all beneficiaries.




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Response to Gloria (Reply #99)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:49 AM

138. thanks

that is helpful

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Response to G_j (Reply #138)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:51 PM

154. I also saw that supposedly this was going to be a one year hike

And then go back to "normal" but this was in July and he was urging clients to contact their reps.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:51 PM

2. Screw that. Let the Republicans take the heat for throwing the country into default if they dare.

And IMMEDIATELY start putting it into campaign ads against every Republican who wants a default rather than simply raise the debt ceiling.

Why the Hell should we WANT to give Ryan a 'clean start as speaker' or let Republicans pretend they can govern effectively?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:07 PM

12. +1

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:17 PM

16. +1,000!!!!!!!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:44 PM

56. ^^this^^

 

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:03 PM

64. +++++!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:13 PM

69. I don't care about Ryan having a clean start! What I DO care about is a shutdown!

I think Bonner is doing the People & the President a big favor by getting a long agreement on the budget as he's leaving the House. He will gt lots of Dems & some Pubs to vote yes and not care about the "Freedom Caucus" throwing their constant hissy fits and threatening to throw him out of offiice...he's already leaving! Being brand new to the position, who knows what Ryan would do nor how much of grief the 40 idiots would give him. I'm glad John decided to do this before departing. I was actually hoping he would do the same with several other bills that have been tabled because of the Freecas (freedom caucus) tantrums!

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Response to napi21 (Reply #69)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:29 PM

79. So, you are OK with cuts to Medicare and Disability

of it means we pass the budget and end the sequestration?

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #79)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:17 AM

89. From the little I've heard, the adjustments to Medicarer and Disability are to be very minor

"adjustments" anot major changes. My source is Norm Goldman on his show today. Seems that falls into the category of "each side loses something and gains something" in any negotiated agreement. Sorry I haven't done any research on just what the adjustments are. The only thing I did read was that this budged would eliminate to need for higher medicare premiums that were to happen as of January 2016.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #89)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:25 AM

91. Those already on Medicare B were already going to be protected from premium hikes. It is

the people who will be signing up for Medicare now and in the future that will pay more. I don't even know what to say to the fact that you are saying that these changes are minor. That is so sad. First of all people pay into SSDI and Medicare with their paychecks. It is their money. Secondly, it is these so called minor cuts that will the the death by a thousand cuts to our social programs. They will cut these programs every single time it is time to negotiate a budget deal and the fact that we are taking money away from disabled people in order to increase military spending is disgusting. This just cannot be the Democratic Party. Where is the Democratic Party? There is nothing left. If the Democratic Party cannot even defend SS then what is left of the party? I cannot tell you how both sad and infuriated this makes me. After I cast my vote for Bernie I may never vote for another Democrat again.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #91)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:21 AM

106. Norm said the ubcreased charges to medicare becsause of no COLA this year were NOT

part of this budget. He didn't say what the new adj's were biut that's not one of them.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #106)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:24 AM

122. People know when something isn't fair. I don't know how they calculate COLA but I guarantee

it is not accurate. Seniors and the disabled all over this country who have to chose between medication and paying a heating bill know that the cost of living is too high.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #122)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:23 AM

130. What I understand is they calculate it with the Consumer Price Index for

Wage Earners and Clerical workers. Bernie Sanders said it should be calculated using the Consumer Price Index for the Elderly. I'm scratching my head over why seniors and the disabled would be considered workers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/social-security-cola_561fcbcee4b0c5a1ce624d1f

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #91)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:54 PM

155. Yes, there is a "hold harmless" agreement for those already in and

this is what the Wyden bill and the one in the House is supposed to restore to new enrollees..

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Response to napi21 (Reply #89)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:25 AM

92. Well, I've been doing the research for you and posted a link here

to Heritage.org, which explains all about this new "flat benefit" plan for SSDI.

All it is, is a plan to go flat tax for everyone...nobody pays more and nobody gets more because they earn more. Everyone gets to live at poverty level. Yay!

check out my two posts in this thread (now three?) that indicate some of the things we are not supposed to worry about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7290932

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7291088

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2015/10/improving-social-security-disability-insurance-with-a-flat-benefit

Read it and weep. If they tried to pull this when I was applying for disability, I would now be homeless or dead. And I'm not kidding.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #89)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:48 AM

111. A "minor adjustment" to some is a major problem for people at the bottom end of the scale.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #111)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:29 PM

146. Exactly. When you are at the bottom already any cut is a

BIG problem.

This action is why many of us are trying to get the old FDR values back. Hillary tells us she will fight for Social Security. Okay - all of it or just the part that deals with the elderly? Once again it is the poor and disabled who are going to get screwed. That is not one of our Democratic values.

But who cares - we will keep the government open and save the Rs ass once again.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #89)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:17 AM

128. "Each side loses something and each side gains something". lol, no.

 

For years now, the standard has been, 'the people get keep something they already have for a little while longer, in exchange for giving the 1% something permanent".

Enshrine tax cuts for the rich in exchange for six month of unemployment benefits. Take cuts to social programs 'in exchange' for the continuance of basic government functions. The scam couldn't be much more blatant.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #89)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:27 PM

156. $10.00 a month is SIGNIFICANT to someone living on Socail Security.

You should try it sometime.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #69)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:34 AM

107. Tom Cole thought this was a good deal. Tom Cole. That tells me the long term pain inflicted

on the poor by this deal outweighs any short term pain a shutdown would inflict. We need to quit governing the country the same way publicly traded businesses are run. Quit focusing on 'this quarter', and instead focus on the results of our legislation over decades. If we have to take short term pain to avoid longer term, more damaging pain, then we need to take the pain now, rather than screw people over for decades to come.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:18 PM

73. Well said . Really wtf give Ryan a clean slate -why

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:19 AM

142. No, I can't agree.

I would not want to let the country burn out of spite.

Not only that, Republicans are Teflon people. They blow everything up ending in a massive fiasco, and all the mess that splatters ends up in the Democrat's faces. Even if they are clearly at fault, it ends up being the fault of both any way.

I can't... I am sorry, I can't agree with that sentiment.

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #142)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:57 PM

144. My sentiment is not 'burn out of spite'. It's don't accept long term damage in return for a short

term reprieve. The politicians who are happy about this deal tell me enough to know that they, having scrutinized the details, feel that it screws over poor people far more to do the deal than not to do it.

So my sentiment is exactly the opposite. DON'T sign on to burning the country simply to avoid a shorter, sharper pain.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #144)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:12 PM

145. I see.

I can agree with that point. I just didn't get that from the way you said it.
My apologies.

I actually do think it is better to stand firm on this point. I was still very much upset with Obama during his deal with the Republicans around 2010. I feel like that really hurt the Democrats and depressed turn out for the incoming elections.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:48 PM

153. The simplest answer is that Obama wants this too.

 

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:51 PM

3. A return to the Obama betrayal represented by the Chained CPI?

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:43 PM

27. We've had enough obamlicans lately! I want the old Democratic Party back...

 

... and not the fascade that just uses that party's name to hide its corporatist BS that it is pushing on us like this crap and the TPP/TPA shit earlier.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:48 PM

30. We've had enough obamlicans lately!

The MSM seems determined to see the Obamlicans replaced by the Hillarians, who have the same goals.



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Response to DJ13 (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:40 PM

54. Yeah, I think that's the 'Obama Mantle' I've heard about...

Fuck that!

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:46 PM

57. And will be just as insulated from criticism by being the first.

And a Democrat.
So the same script will play out... the GOP will call her a socialist while she enacts right wing polices and democrats will wind up supporting them.

They sure know how to play us.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #57)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:28 PM

78. They sure know how to play us.

I refuse to play that game anymore.

I bought into the "Hope and Change" crap only to find I ended up supporting a moderate Republican, I went along (again) in 2012 just to keep Romney and Ryan (especially Ryan) out of power.

Thats it, no more letting them lie to me for my vote.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #78)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:11 AM

87. Same here.

Except I actually believed that Obama when he had his second term would actually do something liberal...but no sooner than the election was over he came out with the CPI talk and I knew I had been had again.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #87)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:18 AM

90. no sooner than the election was over he came out with the CPI talk and I knew I had been had again.

Yep, that was the one straw too many for me as well.

I refuse to support another Neo-Liberal in Hillary, no way, no how.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #90)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:27 AM

103. BREAKING..........House GOP leaders reach budget deal with Obama White House

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #78)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:24 AM

105. Obama did characterize himself as a RayGun Democrat before the GE in 2008. Unfortunately he

understated that fact and should have characterize himself a RayGun republicon because that is what he has proven to be. The 2008 & 2010 elections turned out to be the lesser of two evil republicons, IMO.

Hillary has pledged to carry on Obama's legacy. Think about that. Think about betrayal (the following is my list of betrayals that I share with you):

*Heritage Foundation health insurance for and by insurance companies (with $11,500 deductibles for the poor and economically strapped)
*Guantanamo remaining open
*Continuing war in Afghanistan
*Lack of effective followup to the Arab Spring uprisings to help those countries achieve peace and stability
*Armed interventions in 53 countries
*Drone strikes causing thousands to join ISIS as thousands of innocents perish
*Bombing of a Doctors Without Borders Afghan hospital killing 22
*Russia, Israel, and China unrestrained
*Continuing involvement (and missteps) in the never-ending Shea-Sunni religious civil war
*TPA
*TPP (pending)
*TPIP (pending)
*TISA (pending)
*CISA (pending)
*Advancing corporate sovereignty and thereby global corporatism (once called global fascism)
*Unbridled continuing NSA spying
*13 agencies with the capability to intercept cellphone traffic using pseudo-cellphone tower hardware and software
*Whistleblower prosecutions under espionage laws
*Bailing out Wall Street with 0% interest and free trillions of created money while leaving main street and the citizenry to fend for themselves
*Refusing to prosecute too-big-to-fail bank executives for destroying or absconding with 22% of this country's wealth,
*Massive numbers of illegal home foreclosures that destroyed whole neighborhoods, cities, and people's lives left unprosecuted and the damage left largely intact
*Unconstrained militarized local police forces killing unarmed African-Americans by the thousands
*Accelerating the dismantling of our public school system in favor of for-profit charter school corporations
*Huge student college debt saddling graduates with years of bankruptcy-proof loan repayments
*Renewal of the Bush tax cuts thereby continuing the avalanche of income inequality
*Highest "discouraged worker" (or as I like to call them: the independently wealthy poor folks) rate since the Great Depression
*In the face of the greatest climate crisis since the last mass extinction event, the largest expansion of oil and gas drilling in the last 70 years
*Mountaintop removal to dig out and burn dirty coal continues unabated
*Staffing the highest levels of government with corporate executives and lobbyists
* As leader of the Democratic Party, losing State houses and governorships in a critical 2010 census year election and thus providing republicons the window to gerrymander a majority of states and thereby lock out Democratic majorities in many of those states while insulating republicon control in the rest
*Again as leader of the Democratic Party, doubling down on failed party and DCCC leadership after losing house seats in both 2010 and 2012, and losing control of the Senate
*Neglecting to aggressively pursue and prosecute election fraud, fair election violations and republicon tactics to restrict voter turnout and actual voting by largely Democratic POC, and new Jim Crow laws engineered and enacted by republicons in order to restrict elderly, students and POC from voting.
*Allowing the only 3 times since the inception of COLA that no COLA was issued to retirees by failing to adopt retiree-specific cost of living formulations
*And now, reducing Social Security and Medicare benefits for future retirees

(I could have continued adding to this litany but it is late and I am depressing myself)


In my view, we have one chance and one chance only, one chance in my lifetime, one opportunity left, to undo what has befallen us: Bernie Sanders. Embrace that opportunity or begin seeking forgiveness from your prodigy now because it will get worse otherwise (I guarantee it).

NOTE #1: There have been some positive results under Obama, some due to the efforts of John Kerry, notably, the normalization of relations with Cuba, and the Iran nuclear non-proliferation deal. Plus Obama concluded the reparation settlement with the Native American tribes. Thank you, Obama for these accomplishments and others, the disclosure of which is failing me at the moment since my brain is falling asleep!

NOTE #2: Some may argue that some of the items in the above list began before Obama's presidency. To that argument, I pose: A) Obama has been president for 7 years, and as such, he holds responsibility (per Harry Truman, "The buck stops here"; and B) Obama has proved ineffective in dealing with republicon obstructionism (Google Bernie Sanders about his understanding of where and how Obama miscalculated this and Bernie's proposed course of action to challenge said obstructionism)

DISCLOSURES:
1) I voted for Obama twice in spite of my full knowledge of his self-description as a RayGun Democrat (I too wanted an African-American to be president)
2) I have never voted for nor will ever vote for a republicon
3) I have been a Sanders supporter since the day he announced his candidacy
4) I deeply want and greatly prefer a woman president (just not Hillary - see disclosure #5)
5) I met Hillary in 1970 and had a 1-1/2 hour conversation/debate with her regarding her positions and advocacy of what she then called globalism. I can report that she has been a consistent proponent of her views, as then so too to this day. Because of what she laid out as her vision, I cannot support her candidacy for president. I warned her then that her vision would fail as she would have it implemented; I told her why it would fail; and I provided what would have to be done for any possibility that it might succeed. She dismissed it all and, to our great demise, her vision as it has been to date and is continuing to be implemented, it is failing and the prospects and the consequences are not good. Since that day I have held deep regret that I could not bring her to understand. I choose to remain silent about further details of that encounter as it would serve no one (other than possibly republicons).

PLEA
Please contemplate and search your conscience in frankness and honesty. It is vitally important. We are, after all, all in this together.

While I implore all to consider long and hard the above and what we all must do to change this, I understand that reaction is more readily forthcoming than contemplation. Therefore, I will not respond to the inevitable slings and arrows since I recognize that they will be thrown against each reactant's own self-interest and I will lend no power to them.


Thank you,
Kip
(from my wife's computer & username)

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Response to zeemike (Reply #57)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:07 AM

85. We allow them to play us.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #85)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:14 AM

88. Yes we do.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:55 PM

61. Amen.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:54 PM

4. ........

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:57 PM

5. This is another example of a corporatist Democratic President screwing the American people...

 

A President Sanders would never, repeat NEVER, screw over people on Medicare and SS.

Clinton(s): Yes.
Obama: Yes.
Sanders: NEVER

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:41 PM

26. And nothing would ever get done under Sanders as President. nt

 

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:47 PM

29. You can predict the future?

 

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:56 PM

37. looks like you are trying to do....

you have no idea what Clinton and Sanders would do......

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:01 PM

40. Much rather have nothing

 

Than getting Fd every time I turn around...If Obama goes with cutting medicare and social security it wil be in fact the definition of his presidency ... adding to staying in Afghanistan

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Response to Old Codger (Reply #40)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:46 PM

151. +1

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:14 PM

43. The only way to get things done is to cut social programs?

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:49 PM

59. And fucking over the elderly is better than nothing? (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #59)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:52 PM

165. Bernie backs the budget deal

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #165)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:00 AM

180. A single senator can't give Democrats a spine.

That's why he spends his time talking about building a movement.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:18 PM

72. You're partly correct.

 

Bernie would never roll over for cuts to domestic programs like Barack and Hillary. He'd veto BS legislation since he's not tied to lobbyists and corporations.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:22 PM

46. I'm sick and tired of the compassionate conservatives that have infiltrated the Democratic Party.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:03 PM

65. More voters are getting the right glasses on to see what's underneath these bums!

 

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:46 PM

58. Tonight Rachel Maddow brought this news up with Bernie and he said absolutley he would not

support it. A true democrat if I ever saw one, and it's been decades but I remember well a different America.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #58)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:31 PM

167. Bernie is backing the deal

Would that qualify as a flip flop? Or did he evolve?

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:58 PM

6. this is what's known as

 

an unforced error.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/252880-obama-warns-republicans-to-avoid-unforced-error-of-government-shutdown


He compared a potential shutdown to an “unforced error,” and made reference to the infamous Bill Buckner error that helped cost the Boston Red Sox the World Series in 1986.


So instead of the Republicans making an unforced error he goes and does it!!!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:03 PM

8. Of course no cuts to

the bloated military spending.....increases I'm sure. Screw this crap.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:51 PM

33. Hell no, you dont think some people wants to cut the F-35 program that

Lockheed Martin is taking in enormous profits and not their drone production, just take out of the SS and Medicare, who cares.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #33)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:01 PM

41. I care..

I am on Social Security and pay Medicare..no COLA this year and big rises in Medicare means I have to get buy with LESS this year then I did last year....screw them all! Lawmakers have millions to sit on and draw from while many seniors like me have to decide..do we pay for meds to keep healthy or buy some groceries so we do not starve....do we pay the electric bill or freeze from the cold....you get the idea...

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:28 PM

48. Notify Sanders to stop voting on this bloated program, I saw today of the bloated helmet cost.

He continues to vote every time this comes up.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:15 PM

70. Your story is all too common...

And unforgivable. I had a patient recently who told me of her experience at a state office where she was applying for benefits. She said, and I have no reason to not believe her, that a state employee told an elderly man, who was there upset about the cost of his medications and the impact it had on his budget for food, "Well you have to eat don't you, guess you'll do without your medicine". And that's in a very blue state!

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #70)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:37 AM

132. Am I allowed to point out that the top 1% control

 

40% of the nation's wealth?

And ww're expected to vote for Hillary and 8 more years of the same shit????

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #132)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:06 AM

160. Yes...you're more than allowed n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:04 PM

9. The article sure doesn't jibe with the OP's title.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:55 AM

112. I know ... It would be comically sad, if it weren't so typical of DU these days ...

 

that none/few of the commenters took a moment to actually read the article.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:28 PM

149. any cuts to those programs are throwing those people under the bus.

 

Those programs need expansion, not cuts! Why are the poor and elderly always the ones to suffer?

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:04 PM

10. Not exactly clear

Aides said that the Social Security Disability Insurance program would be amended so that a medical exam now required in 30 states before applicants could qualify for benefits would be required in all 50 states. That change was projected to save the government $5 billion.

The emerging deal would also reallocate funds among Social Security program trust funds to ensure solvency of the disability insurance program. Such reallocations have occurred regularly over the decades but Republicans had opposed any new reallocation without changes to reduce costs of the program.

The prospective agreement would also prevent expected increases in out-of-pocket costs for millions of Medicare Part B beneficiaries. The increases would have been caused by the rare absence of a cost-of-living increase in Social Security for some beneficiaries, because of unusually low inflation.

Mr. Obama and Democratic leaders had insisted that any increases in military spending be matched with equal increases in spending on nonmilitary programs. The deal under consideration appears to meet that goal, as Republicans had previously agreed to increases in military spending.


Not sure why expanding a medical exam requirement is going to save $5 billion. But these don't immediately seem like a "sellout".

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:21 PM

18. by making it harder to get on disability

and keeping people off.

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Response to dsc (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:27 PM

47. Thank you n/t

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Response to dsc (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:37 PM

53. Exactly

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Response to dsc (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:04 PM

66. Why would having a medical exam make it harder for a person with a legitimate condition

to get disability? It appears that these exams would be paid for in the bill.

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Response to dsc (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:44 AM

101. As someone who is on disability, and in pain management, I see a LOT of fraud going on in my area.

I know people on disability who work under the table, take vacations, etc., while I can barely finish a sink full of dishes without my back starting to hurt, and my arms and neck burning. I have to mow my lawn in sections... mow until I can't stand the pain anymore, stop for a while, take a pain pill, stretch my back out for an hour or 2, then start again.

At pain management, I have seen people limp in on a cane, then be running to their car, script in hand and on the phone. I also know several people who get pain pills and sell them, keeping enough to take before their next visit so it shows up in their system. I had a family member who started going to the same pain clinic that I was going to, and he was selling his pills. I turned his ass in in a heartbeat, and don't feel bad about it at all.

Believe it or not, there IS a lot of abuse and fraud when it comes to disability. I've seen it firsthand for too many years now to believe any different.

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to dsc (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:01 AM

113. Where do you get that this "Deal" does that? n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #113)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:37 AM

116. it says they are making the standards stricter

so that would, one thinks, make it harder to get on disability.

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Response to dsc (Reply #116)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:59 AM

119. What examination are they now requiring ...

 

answer quickly ... without the google ... I doubt you know what the test is and/or how it affects eligibility.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #119)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:07 AM

120. they are requiring that doctors instead of SS people look at the applications first

they claim this will save billions, the only way that is true is if it is keeping people off of disability.

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Response to dsc (Reply #120)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:37 AM

123. That would seem reasonable ...

 

since in order to receive SSDI, one must have a disabling physical or mental condition, no?

Who better to make that judgement, a doctor or a clerk?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #123)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:15 AM

127. I think that this will at least delay things

since it seems both a doctor and a clerk would be looking at them. Again, they say it saves money and the only way that is true is if it is keeping some people off of disability.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:49 PM

31. Many of us are already paying 10% penalty TAXES on early redistribution of 401ks or IRAs

 

... which is another tax on those that can't afford it to fatten the wallets of the rich when they can continue to avoid paying taxes here. All part of the plan of first wiping out our savings and assets like houses, cars, etc., then wiping our retirement plans, and stealing people's pension plans, and now screwing us all on social security too.

If you corporate rich crooks continue this, Marie Antoinette has a good warning for your futures if you don't try to help the middle class rebuild itself peacefully. Most Americans would never want that future, but you keep pushing people in the ground, then eventually they'll have nothing left to lose when you have their backs against the wall, and there are far more of them than there are of you!

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:55 PM

35. If equal distributions are taken yearly after 50-59 the 10% penalty can be avoided in certain

Situations. After 59 there isn't a 10% penalty.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:59 PM

39. Spoken like someone who hasn't been screwed by this economy like so many others have...

 

When you don't have anything else to pay the monthly bills or your taxes, then you have to either cash that in or sell stuff. Cashing that in is often the only option for many people. That is why there are also many homeless now that weren't so before.

Most people don't know about these tax rules until tax time comes up and all the weird wrinkles of having to do things like be unemployed 12 consecutive weeks in order to count COBRA or other health insurance payments against the 10% penalties, or to make sure that one rolls over their older 401k retirement fund that is still administered by a company that they worked at before they turned 55, when they have a chance at the many contract jobs they are forced to work at now that don't offer 401ks to do this.

Yes, the wealthy are more able to use these loopholes, and have their tax people taking care of it for them, whereas those that are have their savings wiped out amongst other things that push them in to more problematic situations are the ones that have to pay more taxes, just like so much of the rest of our government infrastructure has been working lately trying to screw the less well off to reward the wealthier.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:30 PM

49. I wish I could say you are wrong, been there done that, went back to work.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #35)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:42 AM

133. The privilege. It reeks! - nt

 

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:32 PM

50. No it doesn't sound like a sellout

But there are some here who never bother to check the facts, they just go ballistic on Obama, and rant and rave about him being a "sellout". They also never bother to admit they were wrong when nothing they claim ever happens.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:25 AM

93. I'm not convinced that it's a sellout either

But it is confusing. Having a disability often includes frequent interactions with doctors anyway.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:31 AM

96. It will save $5 million because they will use it to deny people SSDI.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #96)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:39 AM

108. Yup. Any time the government predicts a 'savings' on any program that provides services to people

it really means 'fewer services will be provided', or 'we have found a way to automate part of the system, so that we're employing fewer people, leaving more people unemployed'.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #96)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:08 AM

141. But it's 5 BILLION

$5 Billion is serious money. You don't save that kinda cash around the edges. Somehow 20 states are currently spending $5 billion that ultimately won't be spent. And they are attributing it to a test that the government will now have to pay for. If it is to detect fraud, that's a lot of fraud.

I guess my point is that the article didn't explain a lot about how this feature will save $5 billion in 20 states and so my suspicions are raised. I don't have much reason to trust this president so I am naturally suspicious. For one thing, I still don't see any of the tax cuts that the GOP always asks for.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:06 PM

11. Again?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:08 PM

13. "Grand Bargain 2.0" n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:17 PM

15. Hair on Fire 2.0. The Sequel.

It worked so well for you the first time. Done deal...wait what???? Never happened.


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:28 PM

23. We're going to war with Iran too, I suppose

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:37 PM

24. Well.... Lol~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:03 AM

84. Oh Sheshe, I love that picture.

Can I steal it?

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #84)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:26 AM

94. Go for it.....

Images....I look for the best of the best.

Art major here~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #94)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:29 AM

95. I was an art major too!

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #95)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:53 AM

98. BFA!

Ha! I loved it.

I had a painting in an student art show written up by the art editor of the Springfield Times and compared to Georgia O'Keeffe.

Lol~ I still have the article after all these years. The painting hangs on my wall.

So cool PP~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #98)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:13 AM

100. Cool. Have you posted a picture of it?

I've never been in the art forum, but I noticed yesterday that there is one, and people post pics of their art. Unfortunately I can't post pics (or maybe that is fortunate, as I've not seen the competition here... ), but I've been meaning to check it out. Maybe after the primaries. But if you've posted a picture of your painting, I'd love to see it. I love Georgia O'Keeffe's work. I have some beautiful greeting cards of her paintings, and I dole them out very slowly because I hate to see them go. I love the artwork that gets posted on Reddit. Much of it just really blows me away, there is so much great talent out there.

Anyway, thanks for this beautiful flaming hair pic. I love to save great images too.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #100)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:49 AM

102. No never posted it.

My ex made fun of it.

The assignment, take an image and blow it up.I did a Zinnia...huge and dripping water. My ex ridiculed me. The art editor thought different. Whatever.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:08 AM

114. Hair on Fire 2.0. The Sequel? ...

 

Try Hair-on-Fire 7.0.: The Re-make Re-Pre-Re-Pre Sequel to the 2009 Classic.

DU never ceases to amaze.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:28 PM

22. In case you missed it, there was no v1.0

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:56 PM

38. Correct. nt

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:20 PM

45. The boy has been crying wolf for so many years I don't pay the slightest attention.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:08 PM

14. If this doesn't influence the way you vote

in 2016 then we are lost. This move by Obama and Biden saying Cheney is a good mad has me so f ing pissed what the fuck is going on here?

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:25 PM

21. Do you have a link where...

Obama and Biden say he is a good "mad"?

If this doesn't influence the way you vote
in 2016 then we are lost. This move by Obama and Biden saying Cheney is a good mad has me so f ing pissed what the fuck is going on here?


Exactly. WTF is going on here?

I want links.


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:55 PM

36. Biden said it. That sentence is awkward.

 

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:16 PM

71. Ok...

Finally, we find out that Joe actually gets along with Vice President Dick Cheney, who most in his party often regard as having the qualities of Darth Vader, or some other cultural reference meant to symbolize the personification of evil. Inside Sources reported that Biden saying, “I actually like Dick Cheney…For real. I get on with him. I think he’s a decent man.”

Comes to show you that while political differences might separate Biden from his Republican colleagues on certain issues (okay–almost every issue), it also shows he doesn’t let that torpedo the chance in striking up a friendship, or speaking admirably of someone with different views. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/10/21/joe-biden-dick-cheney-is-a-decent-man-you-know-n2069269

You link to Biden sources. Show me the exact quote where Obama says he is a good man, a decent man. Actually the poster said he was a good "mad". You link Obama, then prove it.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #71)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:59 AM

124. Obama didn't.

 

It was an awkward sentence of two disjointed, non-related thoughts.

This move by Obama. One complete thought. Full Stop.

Biden saying Dick Cheney was a decent man. Second entirely-unrelated complete thought.

The second half of the sentence does not reference the first half in any way--everything after "and" no longer has anything to do with Obama. It should have been parsed as two sentences perhaps or with a different connector like "but also." Also, all I was doing was providing the citation. Your argument isn't with me, it's with kacekwl in post #14.

I don't give a flying hell if Dick Cheney and Joe Biden are friendly...I'm a far-left progressive that would never vote for either of them. They're both too conservative for me. So are Hillary and Bill...and sometimes Barack.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #36)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:43 AM

97. Crickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #97)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:05 AM

125. I went to bed.

 

Also, no crickets. It's already too goddamned cold outside in the highlands of Northwestern CT. Currently 35'F, overnight lows in the low 20s.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #36)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:47 AM

136. Biden also graced us with Clarence Thomas on SCOTUS, another

 

'decent man'.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:18 PM

17. So should I start developing a taste for cat food?

Anyone have any brands they can recommend? Friskies? Puss'n'Boots? Purina Cat Chow?

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:24 PM

19. Kit & Kaboodle dry comes in the 30lb bag

Perfect for snacks at those Sunday football parties.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:25 PM

20. Just start eating the fat cats

Cat food is too dry.



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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #166)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 01:22 AM

178. Here's what Sanders himself has to say about it

WASHINGTON, Oct. 28 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement on the bipartisan budget deal, which also raises the national borrowing limit until March 2017.

“This is not the budget I would have written. It doesn’t ask the most profitable corporations and the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share in taxes and it increases Pentagon spending too much. But I will support it because it’s much better than across-the-board budget cuts, increased premiums for Medicare, cuts to Social Security and the constant threat we won’t pay our bills.

“In my view, a two-year deal gives us time to focus on providing an emergency cost of living adjustment for senior citizens, raising the minimum wage, ensuring equal pay for women, expanding Social Security, making college tuition-free, reforming our criminal justice system, bringing millions of new Americans out of the shadows and addressing the growing threat of climate change.”

The deal also includes a provision to curb skyrocketing drug prices by requiring drug companies to pay a rebate to Medicaid when prices of generic drugs shoot up at a rate steeper than inflation. The legislation was originally introduced as the Medicaid Generic Drug Fairness Act by Sanders and Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) in the 113th Congress. The bill was reintroduced in May.


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-budget-deal

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #178)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 01:40 AM

179. So do you still think you should start developing a taste for cat food because of this deal?

 

Or has your tuned changed now that Bernard supports it?

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:38 PM

25. Really?

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:47 PM

28. Oh good gawd, not that awful smelling bullshit again.

 

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:50 PM

32. I won't believe anything that comes from ananomous sources printed by the NY Times, AKA Judy Miller

alma mater, until I see exactly what it says.



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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:52 PM

34. Oh yes

A third term of compromise and corporate give-aways please. We've gone from "3D chess pro Obama "to "Crazy Barry's Entitelment Cutting Emporium. " Why are we giving away the future to placate these idiots(Rs)?

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:13 PM

42. Never Negotiate with Terrorists eom

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Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:17 PM

44. The DLC Third Way Establishment Wins Yet Again

eom

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:33 PM

51. Things we can't afford

Can't afford to fully fund Medicare or care for the disabled
Can't afford healthcare for all
Can't afford to fully fund public education
Can't afford food stamps for the hungry
Can't afford social security cost of living increases
Can't afford to make college affordable for students
Can't afford to fix our infrastructure
Can't afford to raise taxes on the wealthy or corporations
Can't afford to cut defense spending

But the economy is doing great. We're the richest nation on Earth...

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:33 PM

52. Anyone still getting outraged over headlines and snippets needs a refresher course in

Wait for the Details 101....like they do in real life, not social media.

The $80 billion "Emergency War Funds" the Republicans wanted to prefund the next war - I am not making that up - was the main reason Obama recently vetoed the military budget bill and it was also inserted in the Budget Bill and is being removed......details, details...who has the time?

A long term Budget would be a huge success for Obama and the nation and a severe blow to the annual government shutdown and debt limit threats of the Tea Party.....more details, I know!

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #52)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:44 PM

55. WTF? Reality is not appreciated/tolerated here.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #55)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:08 PM

68. Yes, the reality that people are being screwed by Democrats to "play nice" with the Republicans...

 

... is being ignored by a lot of people here, but Bernie will help us see that reality that many are trying to deny us from being allowed to see by the corporate PTB.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:53 PM

60. since i am on SSI this affects me

and it is why i support Bernie.

Obama won't stand up for social safety net.

those on SSI and medicare get screwed and what exactly do republicans give up?

Try being disabled and think this is good.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #60)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:05 PM

67. Obama and Korporate Amerika are at war with the retired now! Let that be known...

 

There will be a price to pay! Bernie make them f'ing pay it and make sure we don't have a Korporate candidate win from either party!!!

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Response to Robbins (Reply #60)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:23 PM

148. Wrong terms. SSI is a supplimental tax paid program to help

the poor. SSDI is the Social Security disability program and it is the one being cut.

BTW. I am on SSI and it is the one program that will protect me from the cuts. It takes my income and supplements it so that if I lose a SSA or SSDI benefit the SSI will be raised to cover the lose. All three programs are administered by the SSA but SSI is not part of the Social Security program.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:58 PM

62. In exactly two months I will be at the age I can finally--------------------

receive the social security and medicare that I and over 45 million have paid into, we are the baby boomers, we have been paying the most into the system for decades-------and now there is a "deal", another "deal" just like the TPP.

WE WERE PROMISED that they would NEVER BE TOUCHED




HONK------------------FOR A POLITICAL REVOLUTION BERNIE 2016



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Response to turbinetree (Reply #62)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:07 AM

86. Damn right there's going to be a political revolution.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #86)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:45 AM

135. I was just informed by my supposedly union, International Brother of Teamsters .....................

leaders, negotiators, that since I and over 2000 other UNITED employees which have been on furlough some for over 14 years because some of us worked at UNITED at the time of of the 9/11 attack (me---- FLT 93------------ Newark Aircraft Mechanic), (which could have been prevented, if some cowboy wasn't down in Texas on another vacation day), and then having two contracts one IAM and the other IBT (merger), and the simple fact that (Continental) United by name only, with same mentality as from old with Lorenzo running the place, and the fact that while on recall and waiting, this firm with the blessing of the IBT union went out and was hiring scabs off the street to fill slots, they even had the jobs posted on line, if you were laid off at the station--------no call nothing.

And when and if they did call you, they called and said that if you want to come to work it was under the Continental contract and that you had no seniority to exercise if you were a United employee, and you started at the bottom, in pay, benefits everything--------------------nice huh

There new agreement throws all of us that have been on recall under the bus and is a sell out and I told that scab negotiator the same thing, and that this is a strike issue, because, if there is another contract they will do the same thing to the other members.
This union IBT sided with Ronald Reagan to get him elected, because he promised them the blueberry pie and ice cream, because the union until recently was held into receivership because of what they had been doing with lets say some nefarious people, and in doing so Reagan went after the PATCO members and took aim at other unions and started the process to destroy the rank and file, to increase right to work. And as I told that scab negotiator .......................UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL (United Mine Workers)

I have been a union member for over 40 years and we struck to protect the furloughed employee, they did nothing and are the most vulnerable ----------------------but not this union, they wanted a deal, because there former CEO was in bed with the New Jersey Port Authority making special flights to South Carolina---------so the new CEO , is being made to look like he can get things done ---------------------yep, he sure can ------------ with the help of the IBT they are selling out furloughed employees.


This gambit that this union IBT is playing out right now with Continental (United) is just like the Social Security and Medicare Issue, you do not sell out your BASE or your PRINCIPLES, that is why unions and the democrats have been losing elections-------------------they have sold out there principles, and when Sanders showed up at the picket line in New York against Verizon yesterday, he was there on principles to protect the members of the CWA and there BY LAWS, where was the other running for the presidency -------------------that is the issue



I apologize for the rant


HONK---------------------FOR A POLITICAL REVOLUTION BERNIE 2016




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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:01 PM

63. He has been wanting to do this since day one. He is a neoliberal, Third Way, corporate politician

Always has been. Always will be.

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Response to emsimon33 (Reply #63)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:35 PM

168. I guess Bernie is too then

He supports the deal.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:19 PM

74. How about we stop paying "defense" contractors for equipment even the Pentagon doesn't want?

Do that and they can probably raise SS benefits and cut Part B premiums.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #74)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:41 AM

109. Killing the F-35 now would be a good start. sheesh. nt

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:20 PM

75. I am 59 years old ... why can't Dems be Dems ... ? nt

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:21 PM

76. Let them shut it down. No "compromise" on the backs of seniors.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #76)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:40 PM

82. This budget deal is unequivocally unacceptable.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:24 PM

77. What an Obama legacy. The TPP and Medicare/SS cuts.

It disgusts me that I ever voted for this cruel man.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:34 PM

80. And some people don't understand why we're disappointed with Obama on the issues

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:40 PM

83. Goddamit Bernie! Why can'y you fix this!!!!

or something along those lines. Fucker's is responsible for all racial crimes and mistreatments too.

Let's elect Clinton!!!

That's the ticket!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:05 AM

104. The usual suspects...

Shooting from the hip... and not unexpectedly.
Piling on Obama at any and every opportunity.
It seems that some on this thread didn't bother to read the article but rather were smitten with the OP's title alone... sufficient evidence (facts be damned) that, once again, Obama is "out to get me".
This baloney got old and tired and boring a long time ago here on DU.



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Response to lamp_shade (Reply #104)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:43 AM

110. Tom Cole likes it. That alone tells me it's a crappy deal for the poor.

The man is the grinch incarnate.

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Response to lamp_shade (Reply #104)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:45 AM

134. And its the usual suspects that will accept any deal under a Democratic leader.

Obama could veto the budget deal, but he won't. Taking money from the disabled in order to increase military spending is shameful.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #134)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:43 AM

137. You know all of us disabled just "want a pony."

Haven't seen that one yet, but I know it's coming.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:33 AM

115. The republican congress is thrilled to cut SS. Need to cut spending, look

 

at the bloated military budget, farm subsidies, tax cuts for big oil, etc.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:38 AM

117. Did you expect anything different from this man?

This is the same guy that let Wall St. walk free with our tax dollars, had no fight for single payer health care, turned a blind eye to war crimes.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:47 AM

118. I didn't know Obama had a vote in congress. Let's see who

 

votes in congress for this before pointing a finger!

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Response to B Calm (Reply #118)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:09 AM

121. He actually has 16 votes in the Senate

and 72 in the House, the difference between a simple majority and 2/3 in each chamber.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #118)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:40 PM

150. Did you see how he fought for the TPA? He does not do that

for safety net issues.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:09 AM

126. This is why the 'budget crisis' has become a yearly kabuki act.

 

It's for corporate Democrats as much as Republicans. It gives them cover for doing things like this.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:19 AM

129. Just STFU and Vote Democrat

how's that working out for us?

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:27 AM

131. Making medical exams a prerequisite for disability claims

Outrageous!

Meantime, can anyone point to any actual cuts here?:

"Aides said that the Social Security Disability Insurance program would be amended so that a medical exam now required in 30 states before applicants could qualify for benefits would be required in all 50 states. That change was projected to save the government $5 billion.

The emerging deal would also reallocate funds among Social Security program trust funds to ensure solvency of the disability insurance program. Such reallocations have occurred regularly over the decades but Republicans had opposed any new reallocation without changes to reduce costs of the program.

The prospective agreement would also prevent expected increases in out-of-pocket costs for millions of Medicare Part B beneficiaries. The increases would have been caused by the rare absence of a cost-of-living increase in Social Security for some beneficiaries, because of unusually low inflation."


Seems like a pretty good outcome for a party that doesn't control either the House or the Senate.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #131)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:47 PM

152. I do not know if MN has that law but I did have to go to a

SSA doctor before I could qualify - they would not take my doctors word for it. Some SSA doctors are know for turning applicants away and it makes it harder to qualify.

A used an advocate in my case and he told me which doctors to avoid because they consistently say no. You do have a right to ask for another doctor.

This may be what they are talking about for all 50 states. If that is what they are talking about this is why they think they can save all that money. By disqualify applicants at the last moment regardless of what other doctors say. However an applicant can challenge the case and if he/she wins back pay is dated to the first time you applied so how much money is saved is questionable.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #152)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:29 PM

159. I think it can depend on the disability

when my brother had lung cancer they accepted his oncologist's assessment - though the oncologist wrote it in a way that made it sound like my brother might not live long enough to mail it in (he lasted 15 months) and warned him that it had been written that way.

On the other hand, my friend with heart problems had to go the lawyer route after her claim was denied the first time. It was denied because she is obese (that's the reason the SSA gave) therefore it was all her own fault. True to a point, but part of her problem was hereditary and she did finally get the benefits.

The easiest way to get SS disability is to already be receiving disability payments through private insurance - once you run past 12 weeks the private insurer will be happy to handle all the paperwork required for Social Security and they know how to get your claim approved.

In the long run I'll bet all this does is result in more denials of first claims and more lawyers being hired to appeal - and oftentimes the government often pays a chunk of the legal fees for the person who filed the appeal. It won't save a dime unless people just don't bother to try after the first denial.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #152)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:43 PM

176. I believe this delay is the point.

SSA doctors check for movement limitations and whether you can read an eye chart - that's it. Chronic conditions are beyond their scope. However, at each appeal level you have to wait months for appointments and the administrative decision. People without the benefit of a lawyer are likely to have to go through both appeals, i.e. years of process.

Even if the State needs to pay you in the end, the State got the benefit of the interest during that time.

Moreover, since welfare is designed to be inadequate so people can't "rely" on it, the idea is probably that few people will be able to hold out that long and will be forced to work: the underlying accusation is disabled people would work if forced. Can't work = dead.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:51 AM

139. Deal actually INCREASES SSD payments and MEdicare substantially

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #139)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:01 AM

140. Which is why they're listed as a savings.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #139)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:57 PM

158. That's incorrect.

It does not increase disability payments. The article you linked to says,

It also would clean up expected problems in Social Security and Medicare by fixing a shortfall looming next year in Social Security payments to the disabled, as well as a large increase in Medicare premiums and deductibles for doctors' visits and other outpatient care.


When they say they are "fixing a shortfall looming next year in Social Security payments to the disabled," that's just the technical way the mainstream media has of spinning the fact that Republicans had threatened not to replenish the Social Security Disability Fund (don't ask me exactly how that works), as all other Congresses had, when it came up for renewal, previously. No benefits were increased, in fact, some benefits were cut by President Obama. But because of this deal, at least payments to those on Social Security Disability will continue, uninterrupted. The Republicans had threatened a 20 percent CUT in disability benefits (which are already not enough to live on, in their current form).

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:42 AM

143. But there's $32 billion for an increase in "an emergency war fund."

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:47 PM

147. nope. didn't happen. n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:34 PM

157. Sounds like a plan to me

Piss off democratic voters just before an election to get them to the polls to elect a democrat who will change it back. It's called teamwork. Brilliant.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:27 AM

161. that's what you get for having an R Congress

I guess those people who stayed home in 2010 and 2014 should be re-thinking that.

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Response to treestar (Reply #161)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:42 AM

162. Not to mention the minions of Wall St.

Funding media propagandists marginalizing and ignoring issues, funding new Jim Crow laws and redistricting attempts and bankrolling R candidates with virtually every dollar.


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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:45 PM

163. Take it up with Bernie Sanders

He supports the deal, and the "cuts" you claim it has.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #163)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:47 PM

177. Funny

Nobody seems to want to reply!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:45 PM

164. I am kicking this for the apology

Bernie just voted for this bill and this is what he said:

“But I will support it because it’s much better than across-the-board budget cuts, increased premiums for Medicare, cuts to Social Security and the constant threat we won’t pay our bills.”

So once again it looks like all this hair on fire crap that has been posted in this thread was just more BS from the same old gang of "anti" Obama posters.


Of course I will be waiting to hear their apologies which I am sure all of you will be issuing any time now!

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #164)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:48 PM

169. Waiting.....

Can we have nachos and beer while we're waiting? It could be a while and I'm getting peckish.

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Response to mcar (Reply #169)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:14 PM

170. Sure

I agree it could be awhile, but I am sure the apologies will be coming soon! Right?

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #164)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:42 PM

171. I want to kick this for the apology too. Even a so-so sorry would be nice.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #164)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:18 PM

173. I'm waiting too!

 

Where's the OP???

And the rest of the liars?

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Response to tabasco (Reply #173)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:31 PM

175. Well we did get on new rec

It was 79 now it's 80. It's always amazing that the same people post this crap, the same people rec it, and when they are wrong, they never bother to come back and admit it.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:46 PM

172. would you rather that he throw all of us under the bus??? nt

 

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:20 PM

174. Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

 

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 08:51 PM

181. And what about the fact

Bernie Sanders voted for it?

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 09:57 PM

182. It's pretty silent here

What's the problem?

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:54 AM

183. So Bernie voted for this bill

Can I assume that he too is throwing Medicare and SSD under the bus?

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