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Fri May 25, 2012, 08:05 PM

 

Rachel Maddow - Very Existence Of Wisconsin Democratic Party At Stake In Recall Election







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Reply Rachel Maddow - Very Existence Of Wisconsin Democratic Party At Stake In Recall Election (Original post)
WillyT May 2012 OP
HereSince1628 May 2012 #1
sabrina 1 May 2012 #2
undeterred May 2012 #7
WillyT May 2012 #8
undeterred May 2012 #9
Lifelong Protester May 2012 #10
WillyT May 2012 #11
tcaudilllg May 2012 #13
tcaudilllg May 2012 #14
sabrina 1 May 2012 #16
OnionPower1 May 2012 #3
madrchsod May 2012 #4
Thrill May 2012 #5
undeterred May 2012 #6
WillyT May 2012 #12
HiPointDem May 2012 #15

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 08:19 PM

1. It may be good for others, but I find this family of hyperbole arouses me in a bad way.

There will be a WI democratic party after this election.

What isn't real certain is if the state will need to change its name to Wisbelorus to reflect the dictatorships political model.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 08:23 PM

2. She is correct. I saw last night on the Ed Show that the polls are very close, just a few points in

favor of Walker in one, another 49%/49%. The Dem Party, according to Ed had finally gotten involved. Those are the most courageous Democrats and should not be abandoned at this point in time.

One Repub on the show stated the obvious, a win for Walker will consolidate their power, that would be the Koch Brothers' Tea Party, around the country and fire up the base for the November elections.

But if they lose, it would be a huge blow to them. I don't know of Democrats have the same understanding of how important this race is. We can only hope they do.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #2)

Fri May 25, 2012, 08:47 PM

7. It is an enormous achievement to have gotten to this point.

To do the work involved in preparing for a statewide recall of a half dozen state senators, a lieutenant governor, and a governor with an army of volunteers is no small achievement. No matter what the outcome, this has been the finest hour of the Wisconsin Democratic Party. But I hardly think any of the people involved in this effort are going to be slowing down in the next 10 days.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #7)

Fri May 25, 2012, 08:58 PM

8. True... But Compare And Contrast The Effects Of A Dem Win Or Loss In Wisconsin June 5th...

 

Not just in the state, but nationwide.

I believe many activists will be back on their heels with a Walker win, while most of us will be thrilled and energized by a Barrett win.

I don't think this particular election in Wisconsin is just Tiddlywinks.



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Response to WillyT (Reply #8)

Fri May 25, 2012, 09:07 PM

9. We don't really have the option of crawling back into our dens for awhile

if Walker wins... its an election year, and its June already. We just have to keep moving. The truth is, this one is going to be within 50,000 votes.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #9)

Fri May 25, 2012, 09:08 PM

10. I am with you.

We aren't just folding our tents if this thing goes another direction.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #9)

Fri May 25, 2012, 09:11 PM

11. You Know That... I Know That... Ain't Human Nature However...

 

the phrase "cut off your nose to spite your face" has been around a long time for a reason.

I just want the national party to do everything in its power to help in this recall, because if they do not... many will feel... "what's the fucking use?"


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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #2)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:04 PM

13. You're approaching this like a war.

 

debate is not war.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #2)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:09 PM

14. Elections are not wars, nor even competitions,

 

They are a consequence of effective information exchange. A 50/50 win is not an achievement. It is a sign of failure in a larger context.

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Response to tcaudilllg (Reply #14)

Sat May 26, 2012, 02:52 PM

16. But that's how most of our elections seem to go. Even with someone as

bad as Bush, the public seem evenly divided, when knowing what was known about him in 2004, he should have been totally defeated. Someone recently asked about that, why America is so evenly divided when it comes to elections. The answers provided, included that 'people do not see much difference between both parties and are disillusioned by politics in general'. That may be, but if it is the reason, then we need to push the Dem Party to make the differences very obvious. Eg, the Dem Party's platform is far more popular with Americans overall in polls on issues. Yet, they don't seem to be getting across to that majority that they are the party that best represents what they say they want. So, who is to blame for that?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 08:32 PM

3. It is very important!

 

We put a lot on the line in Wisconsin but we will win. Losing is NOT an option. Firing up the base in the case of a loss for our side is silly talk. I'm confident that we will win. We have the machine in Milwaukee and Madison running full tilt. People understand that how important it is for government employees to be taken care of so the the government employees (teachers, counselors, police and firemen) can take care of us! I don't care about the state budgets if it means our union leaders have to do with less. Walker is taking the bread out of the union's mouths!

Fight the Power!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 08:34 PM

4. that`s one of the dumbest things i have ever heard

what are the democrats going to evaporate?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 08:37 PM

5. When that ass clown beat Feingold

I knew it was time to worry about Wisconsin. Not sure what has happened there.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 08:42 PM

6. Lets not get so dramatic.

We're not all going to lay down and die.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 10:24 PM

12. Kick !!!

 


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:39 PM

15. kick

 

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