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NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:16 PM Oct 2015

FBI chief tries to deal with the 'Ferguson effect'

Chicago (CNN)—A year after unrest in Ferguson, Mo., brought increased scrutiny of police, FBI Director James Comey has thrown his weight behind the idea that restraint by cops in the wake of criticism is at least partly to blame for a surge in violent crime in some cities.

The tensions over policing and crime come when, for the first time in a generation, unusual political forces have aligned and the nation appears on the verge of relaxing tough criminal sentencing laws. Liberals and conservatives now seem to agree that 1980's-era anti-drug laws boosted U.S. prison populations too much, with the burden falling disproportionately on minority communities.

Some law enforcement officials, including Comey, are raising concerns that a spike in crime -- or at least the perception that the recent era of historically low crime rates is at risk -- could hurt criminal justice reforms efforts.

The crime spike is showing up in a variety of cities big and small, while others have avoided the same. Cleveland and Milwaukee have blown past the number of murders reported in 2014, with more than two months left in the year. Dallas and Tampa in recent weeks were on pace to surpass 2014 murder totals. Meanwhile, other cities, including New York, haven't seen similar increases.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/politics/fbi-comey-crime-police/

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FBI chief tries to deal with the 'Ferguson effect' (Original Post) NaturalHigh Oct 2015 OP
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Thanks for that thoughtful response. Welcome to DU! NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #3
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Look, it is just easier and safer for the police to go after poor people and the underclasses. bemildred Oct 2015 #2
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Exactly. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #8
Sounds as if he's saying they need a bigger stick which is the attitude that caused Photographer Oct 2015 #4
Most of the police violence we have seen in the last few years jwirr Oct 2015 #7
FBI director concedes he has little evidence to support 'Ferguson effect' Eugene Oct 2015 #9
What is your explanation for the increase in murder rates? NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #10
Rising poverty and a growing underclass comes to mind. bemildred Oct 2015 #11
I can't argue with that, but why the huge increase just this year? NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #14
I'll take reversion to the norm in a society awash in guns for a start. bemildred Oct 2015 #17
And the drug war is no help either. bemildred Oct 2015 #12
Good point. I'm for legalization myself. Put the cartels out of business overnight. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #13
I saw that. Ending the drug war would end a boatload of crime and clean the jails out in no time. bemildred Oct 2015 #15
You're preaching to the choir. My state... NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #16
Yeah, I know, I visit from time to time. bemildred Oct 2015 #18
LOL...like I said I love my state... NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #19

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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. Look, it is just easier and safer for the police to go after poor people and the underclasses.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

Rich crooks have plenty of laywers and politicians in their pockets.

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Photographer

(1,142 posts)
4. Sounds as if he's saying they need a bigger stick which is the attitude that caused
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:40 PM
Oct 2015

the events in Ferguson in the first place.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. Most of the police violence we have seen in the last few years
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:51 PM
Oct 2015

has been while they were enforcing petty crimes. Maybe they should concentrate on real crime and ignore the jaywalker. They should definitely stop using petty crimes as a way to collect "taxes" from the poor.

This would be very simple to put into practice. Stop the quota systems and stop emphasizing the petty crimes.

That would be a start.

Eugene

(61,872 posts)
9. FBI director concedes he has little evidence to support 'Ferguson effect'
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:26 PM
Oct 2015

Source: The Guardian

FBI director concedes he has little evidence to support 'Ferguson effect'

James Comey says it’s ‘common sense’ that police scrutiny has caused crime
spike, as White House appears to distance itself from comments


Ciara McCarthy in Chicago and Sabrina Siddiqui in Washington
Monday 26 October 2015 19.48 GMT

FBI director James Comey conceded on Monday that he had little evidence to support his theory that a recent increase in crime was caused by heightened scrutiny of the police, as the White House appeared to distance itself from his remarks.

Addressing police chiefs at a conference in Chicago, Comey said he could not be certain that the so-called “Ferguson effect”, following unrest in the Missouri city after the fatal police shooting of an unarmed black 18-year-old last year, had led to a retreat by officers, but said this was “common sense”.

“The question is, are these kinds of things changing police behavior around the country?” said Comey. “The honest answer is I don’t know for sure whether that’s the case … but I do have a strong sense.”

Barack Obama’s press secretary, however, said at a White House briefing on Monday that available evidence “does not support the notion that law enforcement officers around the country are shying away from fulfilling their responsibilities”.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/26/fbi-director-ferguson-effect-crime-policing-james-comey

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Rising poverty and a growing underclass comes to mind.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:56 PM
Oct 2015

A predatory and disfunctional economic system is no help either.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
14. I can't argue with that, but why the huge increase just this year?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:59 PM
Oct 2015

We've had a "predatory and dysfunctional economic system" for a long time.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
17. I'll take reversion to the norm in a society awash in guns for a start.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:06 PM
Oct 2015

Until somebody suggerst something plausible as a cause, and I don't think the police are slacking off because they are afraid works.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
12. And the drug war is no help either.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:57 PM
Oct 2015

With legalization of pot on the horizons the gangs are fighting over shrinking hard drug turf.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
15. I saw that. Ending the drug war would end a boatload of crime and clean the jails out in no time.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:02 PM
Oct 2015

People need to pay attention to how many "crimes" today are invented on the pretext of "protecting" the "criminals" from abusing things we don't approve of. That gets VERY expensive.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
16. You're preaching to the choir. My state...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:04 PM
Oct 2015

Oklahoma (which I do love dearly) still locks people up for marijuana possession.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
18. Yeah, I know, I visit from time to time.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:08 PM
Oct 2015

Always mind my manners while there too.
All you have to do is read the billboards on your way through OKC.

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