Getting weird now - Police: Man wields brick; pastor wields gun

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DETROIT — A Detroit church service turned tragic Sunday when a man with a brick went after the pastor, but likely didn’t anticipate what would follow: the pastor pulled out a semiautomatic pistol and fatally shot the man, police said.

“They knew each other and had some type of problem before,” Assistant Detroit Police Chief Steve Dolunt said of the pastor and the victim. “When I got there, the body had already been moved. The pastor was in custody. We had the gun.”

The shooting happened at about 1:45 p.m., shortly after a 1:30 p.m. service got underway at the City of God storefront church on Grand River Avenue near Lahser, Dolunt said. The man with the brick never actually made it into the church, but went after the pastor in the vestibule, he said.

The pastor, whom Dolunt did not have a name for, responded with gunfire, shooting the man multiple times, including in the chest. The man died a short while later at Botsford Hospital.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/18/police-man-wields-brick-pastor-wields-gun/74199778/

[Hoppy]

1. See? Alls it takes to stop a bad man with a brick .....

[angrychair]

2. Great Christian

So tried of every serious debate being shutdown by any moron that can say "2nd amendment". When the fuck did your so-called "right to bear arms" supersede my right to walk around in public without feeling like my town is under some sort of paramilitary marshal law?
Nothing is more disconcerting than being in a store and 3 asshats with a chip on their shoulder in tactical gear, rifles and pistols on their hips walk in, all but daring anyone to tell them they can't. Not to mention there is no conversation I am having with someone I know is armed, including a cop, in which they are not always going to be "right". That is bullshit. I don't give a shit if you tell me you are "a good guy with a gun". Don't care what you say, you are one argument or one beer from being a "bad guy with a gun".

[Travis_0004]

3. You think the pastor being beat to death would be a better outcome?

[angrychair]

4. The arrogance

The kind of response I would expect from a "gun rights" advocate. So, on the same note, the person with the rock in his hand deserved a death sentence? Having a gun makes you Judge Dredd?
Without the gun you have a fist fight and people break it up and no one leaves the incident in a body bag.

[Travis_0004]

5. The pastor has a right to defend himself

It should be investigated, but I think somebody absolutely has the right to defend himself from assault.

I'm not saying he deserved a death sentence, but neither did the pastor through inaction.

[angrychair]

9. No honest conversation about guns

When most people were children they got into fights. I did more than once. Should I have had the right to shoot my attacker to death? What a great lesson to teach our children, "when you feel threated or someone punches you, whip out a gun and start busting caps in people."
If it isn't alright to teach our children that lesson than it should not be ok to do it ourselves.

[GGJohn]

10. He wasn't intending on punching the pastor,

he was planning on beating him with a rock, which is a deadly weapon.
Maybe you should re-read the article, because you seemed to miss the part about the rock in his hand.

[GGJohn]

11. Victim blaming?

How disgusting.

[Travis_0004]

14. A fistfight is not the same as attacking somebody with a brick.

[angrychair]

23. Touch a nerve?

Sorry, not in a million years am I, nor should any reasonable person, agree that shooting to kill a person with a fucking rock is acceptable in a normal society.
A rock. Not an Uzi.
There was likely several ways he could have reacted to the situation that didn't involve shooting someone to death.
He was not alone. He was in a building full of people. Why not call out for help? Another good idea, running away comes to mind. What the hell is wrong with running away? Again, a rock, not an Uzi. People with guns don't have to run away though, do they?

[GGJohn]

25. Talk to yourself much?

A brick is a deadly weapon capable of killing with one blow
You weren't there, you have no fucking idea of the circumstances.

Another thing:

Sorry, not in a million years am I, nor should any reasonable person, agree that shooting to kill a person with a fucking rock is acceptable in a normal society.

That's pure unadulterated bullshit, most reasonable people would agree that someone attacking you with a brick, IE: deadly weapon, is a deadly threat and defending oneself with a firearm is appropriate.

Your hatred of firearm owners really is quite disturbing, you really should seek help for this irrational hatred.

[GGJohn]

7. So, in your world, the pastor should have let the guy beat

him with a brick?
You do know that a single blow to the head with a brick can kill?
The pastor had every right to defend himself against an assailant with a deadly weapon.

[angrychair]

26. "Deadly weapon"

"Assailant" nice key words. All the right words for permission to kill someone. 'Stand your ground' or 'no duty to escape' work great for some people too.
When you happen to have a gun, any reason is a good one to use it.

[GGJohn]

27. Yes, a deadly weapon,

and yes, assailant is the correct terminology for someone attacking someone else with a deadly weapon.
You are so full of hatred towards firearm owners that it's truly clouding your common sense.
Please seek help for this unwarranted hatred.

[angrychair]

28. Not hate

Serious distrust. Very healthy distrust. As a gun owner, you have been given carte blanche to weld a deadly weapon anywhere you want and, at will, make the decision to kill anyone you want as long as you "feel" in danger. Even if your wrong (darn, silly mistake), worst case is negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter and you spend a couple of months to a couple of years in jail and back to a life of exercising your freedoms. Your "mistake", the person you killed, is still very dead.

I distrust the idea and the person that has been given the ability to kill me in a home depot parking lot because they think they can.

[Waldorf]

22. So I guess a "gun control" advocate would say the pastor should have let the guy beat him with a

brick?

[GGJohn]

24. Do you have any idea of how stupid this sounds?

You would rather the pastor get possibly get beaten to death because of your hatred of firearms owners?

[Kalidurga]

29. It wasn't a rock it was a brick.

Bricks having hard edges are much more deadly than rocks.

[angrychair]

30. So funny

Rocks can't have "hard edges"? Rocks aren't always rounded and smooth.

[Kalidurga]

31. Bricks nearly always have hard angular edges rocks rarely do maybe if it was slate that would be...

similar and deadly. Either way you seem to not care about putting innocent people's lives at risk, just so you don't have to worry about a gun.

[angrychair]

32. Screw the 2nd amendment

I have a very healthy distrust. As a gun owner, you have been given carte blanche to weld a deadly weapon, a device created with the express purpose to kill, anywhere you want and, at will, make the decision to kill anyone you want as long as you "feel" in danger. Even if your wrong (darn, silly mistake), worst case is negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter and you spend a couple of months to a couple of years in jail and back to a life of exercising your freedoms. Your "mistake", the person you killed, is still very dead.

I distrust the idea and the person that has been given the ability to kill me in a home depot parking lot because they think they can.

[Kalidurga]

34. I don't own a gun I doubt I ever will

but who are all these gun toting maniacs you are afraid of?

[sarisataka]

6. Which one?

the attacker with the brick or the defender with the gun?

[GGJohn]

8. Nice rant.

[gwheezie]

12. Couldn't the pastor have said

Hey guys, he's got a brick, if we all jump him at the same time maybe a few of us will get hit with a brick but he can't get us all"
I suspect there is more to the story and it may involve one of the church ladies.

[GGJohn]

13. And maybe there wasn't enough time to say that or for the congregation to react.

The pastor had an absolute right to defend himself against someone coming at him with a deadly weapon.

[gwheezie]

15. I may be too subtle

I was doing my impression of Ben Carson facing down a glock and ar.

[GGJohn]

16. LOL.

Ok, ya got me, that there is funny as hell.

[gwheezie]

17. You 3 guys circle 'round

When I heard Carson explain what he would do when someone starts shooting people it reminded me of some of those old westerns
"The rest of ya follow me"

[GGJohn]

18. He really is an idiot isn't he?

I wonder what happened to him? He was/is such a brilliant pediatric neuro surgeon, why would someone of his intelligence go to the dark side, IE: the repukes?

I remember watching the movie where Cuba Gooding Jr. portrayed him, I was astounded by his brilliance in portraying Dr. Ben Carson.

[gwheezie]

19. I've been shot at

There usually isn't much planning going on and frankly I admire the people who put their life on the line for others because I was running as fast as I could to get away and had no thought for anyone else.

[GGJohn]

20. Can't say I blame you for running away as fast as your legs could take you.

I was shot at many times in Vietnam, I was shot down twice, returned to base with many holes in my bird, several hard landings,
being shot at is no fun whatsoever.
I am forever grateful for those ground pounders that pulled me, my co-pilot and gunner out of the bird and got us back to safety both times.

[Tab]

21. I don't know how far away the guy with the brick was

but it must have been a certain distance unless he revealed right where the priest was standing with the gun. Otherwise, why didn't the priest take out the gun and say something like "By all that's holy, put down the rock. heathen, or I shall be forced to smite you."?