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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:06 AM Oct 2015

I didn’t think TTIP could get any scarier, but then I spoke to the EU official in charge of it

With just eight words she exposed everything that's wrong with the deal, and why it needs to be defeated
by John Hilary

I was recently granted a rare glimpse behind the official façade of the EU when I met with its Trade Commissioner in her Brussels office. I was there to discuss the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), the controversial treaty currently under negotiation between the EU and the USA.

As Trade Commissioner, Cecilia Malmström occupies a powerful position in the apparatus of the EU. She heads up the trade directorate of the European Commission, the post previously given to Peter Mandelson when he was forced to quit front line politics in the UK. This puts her in charge of trade and investment policy for all 28 EU member states, and it is her officials that are currently trying to finalise the TTIP deal with the USA.

In our meeting, I challenged Malmström over the huge opposition to TTIP across Europe. In the last year, a record three and a quarter million European citizens have signed the petition against it. Thousands of meetings and protests have been held across all 28 EU member states, including a spectacular 250,000-strong demonstration in Berlin this weekend.

When put to her, Malmström acknowledged that a trade deal has never inspired such passionate and widespread opposition. Yet when I asked the trade commissioner how she could continue her persistent promotion of the deal in the face of such massive public opposition, her response came back icy cold: “I do not take my mandate from the European people.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-didn-t-think-ttip-could-get-any-scarier-but-then-i-spoke-to-the-eu-official-in-charge-of-it-a6690591.html

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I didn’t think TTIP could get any scarier, but then I spoke to the EU official in charge of it (Original Post) n2doc Oct 2015 OP
Whoomp, there it is. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #1
Exactly. nt laundry_queen Oct 2015 #2
And remember, TPA covers the TTIP too. jeff47 Oct 2015 #3
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #4
Yep angrychair Oct 2015 #5
Ding! Doctor_J Oct 2015 #6
“I do not take my mandate from the European people.” Well, except for a few very wealthy ones. Scuba Oct 2015 #7
Bingo. GliderGuider Oct 2015 #8
that whooshing sound is Maine's aquifer being pumped dry by Nestle magical thyme Oct 2015 #9
That's ten words, not eight. Doesn't change the article's meaning but it's strange to miss that. randome Oct 2015 #10
You're assuming she spoke in English. Maybe she spoke her own language. DFW Oct 2015 #13
LOL! Don't you know? Everyone speaks english! Rex Oct 2015 #14
Wow! For real? DFW Oct 2015 #17
That is awesome! Rex Oct 2015 #18
I'm married to a German, live in Germany DFW Oct 2015 #19
Best accidental moment of candor ever. pa28 Oct 2015 #11
and there ya go. marym625 Oct 2015 #12
Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen cantbeserious Oct 2015 #15
“I do not take my mandate from the European people” must be Swedish for KamaAina Oct 2015 #16
Not just Swedish DFW Oct 2015 #20

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Whoomp, there it is.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:15 AM
Oct 2015

The trade deals are not done for the peoples of the respective nations involved. They are done to them.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
3. And remember, TPA covers the TTIP too.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:34 AM
Oct 2015

TPA is not just for the TPP. It covers any trade deal with anyone.

No filibuster, no delays, just an up-or-down majority-wins vote.

(ETA: And before someone tries to claim "Treaty! 2/3rds majority!!", these trade agreements are written as "executive actions" and thus are not legally treaties. As a result, they do not need a 2/3rds majority in the Senate)

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
5. Yep
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:01 AM
Oct 2015

The minute it is signed, Asian troops come stoomping in and start loading us into cattle cars to take us all to forced labor camps and torture us endlessly. Corporations can come into our homes and take what they want. Our bank accounts are no more protected than a little kids piggy bank.
Sadly, nothing can be done about it. Local police are powerless. State government is powerless. Federal law enforcement is powerless. Congress is powerless.
The president only surges his shoulders, "I would do something but I signed this piece of paper, in permenant ink! What can I do. I'm powerless. No one has any rights to do anything anymore."

Sorry, I only say it like this to point out that there is no point in a free-trade agreement if it breaks its member nations while doing it. What would be the point?
Will there be changes, sure. Will the units need to be worked out, sure.
Lastly, most importantly, everything under, above, around the Sun or anywhere else in the universe, can change or be changed. Will change.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. Ding!
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:45 AM
Oct 2015

I wish our president and Mrs. Clinton would be this candid when discussing their support for the deal.

rec

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. “I do not take my mandate from the European people.” Well, except for a few very wealthy ones.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:47 AM
Oct 2015
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. that whooshing sound is Maine's aquifer being pumped dry by Nestle
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:36 PM
Oct 2015

to bottle and sell to back to us.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. That's ten words, not eight. Doesn't change the article's meaning but it's strange to miss that.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:47 PM
Oct 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
[/center][/font][hr]

DFW

(54,334 posts)
13. You're assuming she spoke in English. Maybe she spoke her own language.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:03 PM
Oct 2015

In Swedish it would have been eight words: Jag tar inte min mandat av europäiska folket.

DFW

(54,334 posts)
17. Wow! For real?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:18 PM
Oct 2015

Actually, most Swedes do know English, but they are also known to lapse into their mother tongue from time to time. When I first visited Sweden, I was 18, and felt like an absolute moron because the friends who had invited me all spoke good English, but of course, spoke Swedish among themselves. So, that fall, I enrolled in an intensive Swedish course when I entered college, and returned to Sweden the next summer, by then able to speak passable Swedish (which is surprisingly simple to learn if your native language is English, German or Dutch).

The looks on their faces when I returned the next year was worth the extra study time!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. That is awesome!
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:22 PM
Oct 2015

I would LOVE to take a trip to Sweden! I just think it is funny whenever I read some American automatically assuming everyone in the world not only speaks English, but does so even in their own country over their native language! At all times!

Taking a trip to Europe is on the list of things to do before I die. We shall see if I ever make it there.

DFW

(54,334 posts)
19. I'm married to a German, live in Germany
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:00 PM
Oct 2015

So Sweden is just a short (2 hours) flight or a long train ride away. Now that they completed the bridge from Denmark to Sweden, you don't even need to take a ferry any more. Although visually stunning, Stockholm is by far not the most fun city in Scandinavia. That honor goes to København ("Copenhagen&quot . Danish is almost the same language as Swedish, but pronounced completely differently. Just take Swedish, put mashed potatoes in your throat and speak at double speed. Danish is what comes out.

Also, bring a lot of money. Scandinavia is EXPENSIVE, and Norway, in particular, is insanely expensive.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
11. Best accidental moment of candor ever.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:56 PM
Oct 2015

Here is what the protest in Berlin looked like this weekend. These people are about to be skinned for the benefit of capital interests and they know it.


http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/10/10/hundreds-thousands-march-berlin-against-ttip-trade-deal

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. “I do not take my mandate from the European people” must be Swedish for
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:16 PM
Oct 2015

"Who cares what you think?".

DFW

(54,334 posts)
20. Not just Swedish
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:04 PM
Oct 2015

It's "EU-bureaucratese" for "who cares what you think?"

Once they get to Brussels, "Eurocrats" have guaranteed tax-free pensions for life in many cases, sometimes 10,000 euros a month or more. You don't think these high taxes we pay over here go just to bail out Greece, do you?

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