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Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:18 PM

Obama on Gun Control: "We are the only advanced country on Earth....."









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I do not honestly believe that Jesus would own the American average of 6.1 guns per gun owner and want anything to do with Republicans.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:29 PM

1. Why do we allow this?

Why do we allow a noisy minority to run rough shod over the wishes of rest of us, with their fantasies and their fascination with their deadly toys that are specifically designed to kill people?

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Response to -none (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:32 PM

2. I think you may be confusing just who is the minority in the gun control discussion,

 

and its the reason why gun control is such an electoral loser for Democrats in most states and districts.

Even if gun control was the clear majority position, it still wouldn't override the protections guaranteed by the Second Amendment and its equivalent in the majority of state constitutions.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-have-no-impact-on-support-for-gun-rights-in-the-us

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179213/six-americans-say-guns-homes-safer.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179045/less-half-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

http://www.people-press.org/2014/12/10/growing-public-support-for-gun-rights/

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Response to branford (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:56 PM

5. Only 30 or so persent of American Citizens own guns.

My math says that 35% is a minority. That leaves 65% that do not own any guns. Of that 35% minority, almost all of the gun owners own more than one gun. Some own several hundreds.
Gun control will become an election winner. The majority are becoming aware and fed up with the carnage, The increasing carnage is mostly because the gun owner minority just callously blow off the mass murder of innocent men, women and children.
All you have to to do is keep doing the same thing as you are doing now, focusing on your own gun collection and not the important part of the equation, the increasing mass shootings and body counts.

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Response to -none (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:11 PM

6. The operative number is not the number of gun owners,

 

but rather the number of people who support gun rights and oppose restrictions (currently a majority). For instance, I'm a NYC lawyer who's never owned a firearm in my life, and I still oppose most of the recent gun control proposals (although I would support UBC's if national registration could be avoided).

Now look at the current figures again as well as the trajectory lines. Also keep in mind that support for gun rights is steadily increasing, even with events like Sandy Hook, while crime rates are about half of decades past, many millions more guns are entering circulation every year, firearm ownership and carry laws are the most liberal they've been in generations, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms.

I keep on hearing that gun control will be a winner. Tell that to Clinton, Gore and Obama.

Wishful thinking does not substitute for hard data

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Response to branford (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:24 PM

8. So you are telling me that all the innocent people being shot and killed are far less important than

selling more guns, both to those already owning many guns and to the newbies that are apt have a shooting accident, killing wife, mother, children, husband, father, friends, neighbors...?

How can more guns be the answer to too many gun deaths already?

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Response to -none (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:31 PM

9. I don't read Branford's post to say that at all

 

What Branford said is that a majority of citizens in the U.S. support an individual right to keep and bear arms. That seems to be supported by all the polls I've seen on the issue. And in any event, the Constitution protects that right.

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Response to -none (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:35 PM

10. No, I'm simply providing you with the actual data

 

that contradicts your contention that a clear majority of Americans support gun control.

I'm also pointing-out the obvious legal, political and practical realities of gun control, and how it most definitely has not been favorable to the Democratic Party, with trend lines indicating it will only lead to more political problems for us in the future, rather than any futile hope that the wishes of the electorate will suddenly, and quite radically, change.

Whether more guns are the answer to firearm crime is uncertain and irrelevant. What is known is that serious national gun control, to the extent even constitutional, has absolutely no chance of passage for the foreseeable future, and attempts at such legislation hurt the electability of Democrats, particularly in crucial competitive states, and thus risk the entirety of our liberal agenda.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:40 PM

3. Advanced country my ass

Anyone care to look around this planet. Advanced countries have health care, gun control, the metric system and especially people who are informed enough, and care to get off their sorry asses and vote!

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Response to sailfla (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:13 PM

7. Does the Democratic Party even have an official position on the metric system? nt

 

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Response to sailfla (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:55 PM

12. my first thought too

Health and dental, more paid leave, more paid vacation,shorter working hours, on and on....I'll leave the metric system out of this!

Peace

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:46 PM

4. While I know this is meant to be about the shooting...

 

...I think the trade part is more pressing to our safety. I hadn't caught that part of the quote before, but watching the TPP go down makes me realllllllll nervous about why he threw that in with being anti-immigrant. That's a bad grouping.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:41 PM

11. He was battered nonstop by the Right for the second quote

Even though every word of it rings true.

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