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Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:32 PM

and, once again, the gun was said to be resting comfortably

The National Rifle Association and Fox News would like you all to know that it's
"too soon" to talk about gun violance.




45th School Shooting This Year...







Here we go again. We'll hear a brief conversation about gun control,
it'll (once again) go nowhere, and we'll sit back and wait for the next one. The NRA wins (and kills) again


Bottom line, we are not a civilized society when we allow gun rights to usurp human rights.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reports-shooting-umpqua-community-college-oregon_560d7658e4b0af3706dfdcd1?a70evcxr
http://www.inquisitr.com/515151/domestic-gun-deaths-since-68-are-greater-than-all-our-war-casualties-ever/

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kpete Oct 2015 OP
eissa Oct 2015 #1
intersectionality Oct 2015 #19
JDPriestly Oct 2015 #20
valerief Oct 2015 #24
d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #37
Punx Oct 2015 #40
eissa Oct 2015 #48
F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #59
Number23 Oct 2015 #52
MADem Oct 2015 #60
LibertyLover Oct 2015 #65
eissa Oct 2015 #67
spooky3 Oct 2015 #68
Enthusiast Oct 2015 #66
patsimp Oct 2015 #2
Rex Oct 2015 #3
Journeyman Oct 2015 #4
rbrnmw Oct 2015 #5
edgineered Oct 2015 #6
rbrnmw Oct 2015 #8
tkmorris Oct 2015 #9
edgineered Oct 2015 #10
LanternWaste Oct 2015 #12
edgineered Oct 2015 #16
Rex Oct 2015 #25
Old Crow Oct 2015 #27
CreekDog Oct 2015 #55
edgineered Oct 2015 #57
CBGLuthier Oct 2015 #61
edgineered Oct 2015 #62
tkmorris Oct 2015 #13
LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #38
Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #14
etherealtruth Oct 2015 #18
CreekDog Oct 2015 #54
kpete Oct 2015 #21
Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #22
Ms. Yertle Oct 2015 #7
edgineered Oct 2015 #11
rbrnmw Oct 2015 #15
Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #17
zappaman Oct 2015 #33
Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #46
edgineered Oct 2015 #53
DrBulldog Oct 2015 #23
zappaman Oct 2015 #30
Rex Oct 2015 #49
Shrike47 Oct 2015 #26
Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #29
missingthebigdog Oct 2015 #36
Gus2525 Oct 2015 #28
kpete Oct 2015 #31
valerief Oct 2015 #32
LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #41
lark Oct 2015 #34
0rganism Oct 2015 #35
d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #39
0rganism Oct 2015 #44
d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #64
davidn3600 Oct 2015 #45
d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #63
Ilsa Oct 2015 #47
0rganism Oct 2015 #51
world wide wally Oct 2015 #42
lobodons Oct 2015 #43
moondust Oct 2015 #50
Stuart G Oct 2015 #56
niyad Oct 2015 #58

Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:34 PM

1. Do we know the ethnicity of the shooter yet?

Because that will determine if it's a mental health issue (white), an immigration matter (Hispanic), or terrorism (Middle Eastern).

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:12 PM

19. +1million

Nt

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:13 PM

20. +10000

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:28 PM

24. +a gazillion

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:56 PM

37. Excellent point!

Thank you for that!

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:00 PM

40. You forgot

Thug (Black). Probably high on marijuana because legal sales started today.

The gun(s) certainly can't be the problem.

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Response to Punx (Reply #40)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:18 PM

48. My bad

Of course easy access to guns and our gun-obsessed culture is never the culprit.

Oopppsss! Sorry, I just remembered that this is NOT the time to be talking about guns.

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Response to Punx (Reply #40)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:06 AM

59. Yes, thank you. Wondering where that went.

I am ready for a total ban. Confiscate that crap. I don't care about the 2nd Amendment; if we bothered to interpret it at all how it's written, none of this would be a problem. Anybody who "needs" a gun (for food, grizzly bears, polar expeditions) can go through a long and painful permitting process.

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:40 PM

52. And if he's black, then that will make it a criminal issue fixable, of course, by locking up more

black people or just shooting them for random offences.

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:09 AM

60. I think he is swirly, which could cause some agita, with everyone getting out of the way and placing

blame in bizarre ways. Add to that, he collects Nazi shit and affiliates with Republicans, according to a dating site.

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:32 PM

65. In an article I read this morning in the Washington Post

it said he was mixed race. Apparently his father is white and British and his mother is a woman of color. The shooter was born in Great Britain and moved here as a young child.

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Response to LibertyLover (Reply #65)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:22 PM

67. So mentally ill AND a thug

At least he wasn't a terrorist *phew!*

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Response to eissa (Reply #67)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:09 PM

68. AND an immigrant!

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:20 PM

66. Exactly. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:36 PM

2. To them its too soon or never. The only thing that will change their mind

is when they are affected by loonies with guns or at the ballot box.

they are cold hearted treacherous SOBs.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:37 PM

3. NRA = Narcissists Rights Association.

 

Why anyone would belong to that puke organization, when real hunters know better, is a mystery to me. The NRA has nothing to do with gun safety and all to do with pimping guns to children for profit.

Why would anyone support an organization like the NRA when it is run by a RWing GOP asshole? You want to teach your kids about guns? You don't need a group to do that, it is called being an adult.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:49 PM

4. Fine. Is it time at least now to discuss Charles Whitman? . . .

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:53 PM

5. It's not even been a hundred years yet

Of course it's too soon.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:17 PM

6. What can and cannot be posted in the General Discussion forum

Is there something in the water lately that is causing people to forget things?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978

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Response to edgineered (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:21 PM

8. Here

Open discussion of guns is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:22 PM

9. I dunno, is there?

From your link: "Open discussion of religion is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia."

I am fairly certain that this http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141221750 story qualifies.

Can the fucking snark next time.

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:25 PM

10. Yea, okay tough guy.

Show us how this OP fits that parameter.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:34 PM

12. You then, do not in fact believe this incident is a very high-profile news event

You then, do not in fact believe this incident is a very high-profile news event which is being heavily covered across all the media?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:40 PM

16. Combining what some consider to be idiotic talking points into a news story

may not precisely fit neatly into the qualifications for allowing such posts - there are many though who will use any excuse to have their say... as evidenced now

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Response to edgineered (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:32 PM

25. I love watching you fail over and over in these threads.

 

Thank you for reinforcing why people in GD mostly abhor gun culture. Without your examples, I doubt as many would notice.

Again, thanks!

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Response to edgineered (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:40 PM

27. Oh, c'mon.

I have no dog in this fight. But it's crystal clear to me that the guidelines for GD expressly permit this thread.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:04 PM

55. Since you're anti-gun control, why not discuss that topic?

I find it so interesting that those most against gun control do not want it discussed in this forum.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #55)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:29 PM

57. Maybe a year ago, or maybe even two, I didn't give a damn

about anyone owning a firearm. In fact, up until that time I agreed with the crowd here in believing things had to be done to end a problem. Before explaining what changed I will give some personal history. Please bear with me and keep in mind that I do not own any firearms by choice, nothing prevents me from lawfully purchasing and obtaining concealed carry privileges.

In the 60's and 70's I had BB guns, pellet guns, shotguns, and rifles. I hunted and shot for pleasure quite often. During three enlistments I stood watches carrying and later supervised the watch who carried. No longer do I have a need for a gun. Other people do though.

The atmosphere here at DU became so toxic for gun owners that I rethought my position. My position now is in favor of the right to keep and bear. (Some) members of this sight have displayed such unrealistic goals and demands, have slandered those of like political philosophies, have demonized anyone not in lockstep with their totalitarian objectives, and have openly stated desires to forcefully take firearms out of the hands of their lawful owners.

So I changed my mind. I'll stop here.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #57)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:22 AM

61. That may be one of the stupidest excuses for changing a belief I have ever heard

Because so many people are for gun control you have decided to be against gun control. I wonder what other life choices you make purely on the basis of other's opposition.

here is a song that must have been written for you

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #61)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:08 AM

62. You can live comfortably with what you choose to believe,

while those close to you watch in disbelief. Do you think your insults are limited to swinging a keyboard and not on display to people who surround you? Are you certain you want to discuss stupidity with me?

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Response to edgineered (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:38 PM

13. If you don't know how

Approximately 30 people shot and 7-10 dead at a community college in Oregon qualifies as a high-profile news event you should probably check your water.

I stand by my comment. Your snark was out of line.

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:56 PM

38. I think it has to be in the category of several hundred killed by non-white before it can be posted.

Anything less is supposed to be in the guns & ammo aisle.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:39 PM

14. Wow. Another heartless gun humper.

 

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Response to edgineered (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:45 PM

18. Here is the SoP for GD

it conforms to the SoP in many ways


GUNS
•News stories (and related content) from reputable mainstream sources about efforts to strengthen or weaken gun control legislation in any jurisdiction in the United States, national news stories (and related content) from reputable mainstream sources about high-profile gun crimes, and viral political content from social media or blogs that would likely be of interest to a large majority of DU members are permitted under normal circumstances.

•Local stories about gun crime and "gun porn" threads showing pictures of guns or discussing the merits of various firearms are not permitted under normal circumstances and should be posted in the Gun Control and RKBA Group.

•Open discussion of guns is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:03 PM

54. How odd that you love to discuss guns but just not here

edgineered (1,487 posts)



edgineered

Kudos to the Gun Control & RKBA Group


The members of this group have displayed remarkable character, discipline, and patience once again. As evidenced by the recent flurry of posts in this group by those critical of its members, it is not the members of this group firing uncontrolled outbursts, round after round. It is not the members of this group associating flags, banners, bumper stickers, and statements by individuals with everything that is wrong with this country.

It is shameful to allow perhaps the last unabridged right we have to be chipped away at, little by little, until it is as unrecognizable as our right to peacefully assemble or to protest. Sure, we can still have protests provided the permits are granted, the fees paid, the schedule kept. If the protest is innocuous enough it may receive coverage by the media, and if it does not have the potential to change anything there may even be some publicity before the event. Such has been the abolition of all our rights and the decline of a strong citizenry.

The bad intent directed toward this group in the past week has been an epic failure. It does not appear that anyone here is hiding from the world now, no one is afraid of the petty critics braving the world from behind their keyboards. Those joining in the fracas could look at what the depths of their own integrity has produced.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172169661



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Response to edgineered (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:14 PM

21. October 1, 2015

a new day
a new shooting

one that some would rather not talk about.....



peace,
kp

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Response to edgineered (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:16 PM

22. From your link


Never mind. I see it is covered already.

Open discussion of guns is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:19 PM

7. I just don't get it.

This is a gun-free zone.

Can't people follow the rules?????????

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Response to Ms. Yertle (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:28 PM

11. Good question. I guess it would depend on who is breaking them?

There seem to be enough entitled posters here to evade some of the rules.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:39 PM

15. We aren't evading anything

This is a high profile news story

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Response to edgineered (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:40 PM

17. What part of "high-profile news event" do you not understand?

 

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Response to edgineered (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:49 PM

33. Maybe this website isn't for you.

You certainly don't understand the rules.
But keep trying to tell everyone what you think they mean.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:15 PM

46. They can have your SOP alert button

when they pry it from your cold dead hands.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #46)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:46 PM

53. my hands wouldn't be near where ever you pulled that from.

what is it supposed to mean?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:27 PM

23. That calendar is shocking and shameful.

 

And so its time now for ALL YOUNG VOTERS to vote for Bernie!

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Response to DrBulldog (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:47 PM

30. Your shameless promoting of a politician on the backs of the dead is disgusting.

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Response to DrBulldog (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:20 PM

49. Alas Sanders is a big 2nd amendment supporter, you knew that right?

 

See what happens when you politicize a tragedy? You learn something you might not have wanted to know.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:32 PM

26. 3 school shootings on Febrary 15, a Sunday? I'm sceptical about the report.

School shootings are terrible, as are all killings, especially mass killings. Bad data is not going to help.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:45 PM

29. Go to the link and see for yourself rather than deflect from the weekly tragedies caused by guns.

Gun deaths in America are a deadly epidemic virus that makes Ebola ashamed to be called one.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:51 PM

36. Yes. Three.

To be fair, the two here in Little Rock were in the parking lot of an elementary school and didn't involve staff or students.

The one in Athens, Georgia was on a college campus and involved college students.

If you subtract 3, does that make this less of a tragedy??

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:44 PM

28. I don't consider it a tragedy any longer, it's a

choice we've made as a nation.

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Response to Gus2525 (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:48 PM

31. Gus2525

it's a choice we've made as a nation.


I think you are right
and how sad is that?


peace to you and yours Gus2525,
kp

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Response to Gus2525 (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:49 PM

32. Right. It's the only outcome of deregulation, offshoring, and media anger-stirring.

But mostly lack of regulation of arms.

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Response to Gus2525 (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:01 PM

41. I think you are correct. It is in our nature as Americans to kill each other. We can't help it.

I try to, I wake up every morning saying "I will not kill today". Most of the time it works, but the anger arises when someone cuts me off on the highway. But I am an American, it is my God given right to just shoot anyone I come across.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:49 PM

34. We are a gun crazy, fact hating society.

Death - r - Us.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:49 PM

35. let's just skip the conversation this time, shall we?

there's really no point talking about it anymore.
until we have free mental healthcare on a national scale, little will change.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:00 PM

39. Its not just crazy people with guns

Most gun deaths occur inside the home when one spouse blows away a family member by either intention or accident. The cases where people go out of the home to shoot people up are the rare cases. We need to have this chat!

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Response to d_legendary1 (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:08 PM

44. maybe we need to talk about what "crazy" means?

"one spouse blows away a family member by either intention..."
see, i think there's at least some % of that population which could qualify as "crazy people"
"...or accident" is harder to boil down; certainly a lot of "sane" people can and do make stupid deadly mistakes, but a "crazy" person might have problems following safety protocols too

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #44)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:45 AM

64. That's just a cop out

There are statistics out that show that the vast majority of people who have committed violent crimes have not been diagnosed with mental disorders. People with mental disorders are more likely to be victims of violence, not perpetrators. Every shooter that's killed in the past few weeks didn't suffer from crazy: they suffered from bigotry, misogyny, or toxic masculinity. But these dwarf the bigger issue which is too many guns that are easily and readily available for their use!

There are too many sane people out there willing to commit violent crimes than there are "crazy people" who do cuz the voice in their head told them to.

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Response to d_legendary1 (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:09 PM

45. There is no way you will be able to pass full-blown gun bans in this country

 

Not only is there no popular support for blanket gun bans, but you have the 2nd amendment to deal with.

It is what it is.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #45)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:11 AM

63. I never said I wanted a gun ban

I own a glock and a shottie and there's no way I'm giving those up. The problem is that the laws are so lax that any chump with an axe to grind can easily purchase a gun, wait three days, and go off on whatever bothers them. I feel that there needs to be extra steps to ensure that whoever is purchasing a gun isn't going to commit a crime.

Also the 2nd amendment can be curbed since felons can't own guns. So there is a way for gun control to work.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:17 PM

47. I think sometimes it's just angry people

that can't cope and they've lost perspective.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #47)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:36 PM

51. anger management is part of sanity

coping with anger in healthy ways is an important step in living a normal, non-sociopathic life.
maintaining perspective... well that's kind of hard to pin down, but it sounds like a life skill of some kind too.

i just don't think we need to have another unproductive NationalConversationAboutGunViolence(tm)
it only makes the affected sadder and irritates the 2A fanatics

periodic massacres are the price we pay as a society for having widespread firearms ownership combined with the stupidest for-profit healthcare system on the planet.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:02 PM

42. We could have 10 times as many guns in this country and we'd STILL be a

cowardly nation because not one elected official will say "boo" to the NRA

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:07 PM

43. The time to talk gun control was on March 29th!! (And we missed it)

 

The only time this year it had been more than 3 weeks since a prior shooting. 3 weeks after shooting needs to be the point where it is no longer too soon to talk about gun violence based on past years shootings otherwise we have to start the clock all over again. (and again)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:24 PM

50. As long as the Holy Gun is okay.

Whew.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:06 PM

56. K and R.. Great Post...thank you.. says it all..nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 10:40 PM

58. k and r

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