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Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:26 PM

"Damn! They never thought he had a bomb!"

Found this great post on FB:

I said: it's sad they thought that kid had a bomb.
She said: they didn't think he had a bomb.
I said: yes, they thought he made a bomb and even called the police.
She said: They just wanted to humiliate a little Muslim boy. They didn't think he had a bomb.
I said: Don't be a conspiracy theorist. They might be a little prejudiced, but I'm sure they thought he had a bomb.
She said: OK.
But they didn't evacuate the school, like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't call a bomb squad - like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't get as far away from him as possible, like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they put him and the clock in an office, not like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they waited with him for the police to arrive, and then they put the clock in the same car as the police.
Then they took pictures of it.

I said: Damn.....They never thought he had a bomb.

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Reply "Damn! They never thought he had a bomb!" (Original post)
pepperbear Sep 2015 OP
eissa Sep 2015 #1
pepperbear Sep 2015 #2
laserhaas Sep 2015 #29
KT2000 Sep 2015 #3
lindysalsagal Sep 2015 #57
Rex Sep 2015 #4
HubertHeaver Sep 2015 #19
Rex Sep 2015 #62
Glassunion Sep 2015 #5
Downwinder Sep 2015 #6
LibertyLover Sep 2015 #91
Downwinder Sep 2015 #94
LibertyLover Sep 2015 #98
onenote Sep 2015 #7
passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #23
jwirr Sep 2015 #37
JoeyT Sep 2015 #63
passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #65
niyad Sep 2015 #76
freebrew Sep 2015 #101
onenote Sep 2015 #105
passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #113
gollygee Sep 2015 #116
msongs Sep 2015 #8
daleanime Sep 2015 #10
sarge43 Sep 2015 #18
JackInGreen Sep 2015 #25
Glassunion Sep 2015 #48
GoneFishin Sep 2015 #9
Wellstone ruled Sep 2015 #11
Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #61
mountain grammy Sep 2015 #12
etherealtruth Sep 2015 #13
merrily Sep 2015 #14
Chemisse Sep 2015 #15
Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #16
Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #17
lamp_shade Sep 2015 #20
tammywammy Sep 2015 #21
sarge43 Sep 2015 #33
smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #22
Old Crow Sep 2015 #24
sarge43 Sep 2015 #36
Old Crow Sep 2015 #39
retrowire Sep 2015 #42
Glassunion Sep 2015 #49
retrowire Sep 2015 #66
sarge43 Sep 2015 #46
uponit7771 Sep 2015 #47
Old Crow Sep 2015 #54
rhett o rick Sep 2015 #79
Old Crow Sep 2015 #80
Are_grits_groceries Sep 2015 #84
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Vincardog Sep 2015 #114
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etherealtruth Sep 2015 #41
ReactFlux Sep 2015 #64
Old Crow Sep 2015 #68
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jtuck004 Sep 2015 #67
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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:28 PM

1. Nailed it, didn't they?

Saw it earlier and thought, but of course!

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Response to eissa (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:30 PM

2. that moment of clarity hits ya right between the eyes.

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Response to pepperbear (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:52 PM

29. Sure does

 

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:32 PM

3. exactly!

they did not follow any protocol for a suspected bomb.

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:55 PM

57. My school would have been outside and down the road in 4 minutes if they thought there was a bomb

We would not have waited for the police to evacuate, and we would have left the bomb and brought the child with us.

Parents might have been brought in, but no one would even think of arresting this kid.

A letter would have gone home to parents explaining the reason for the evacuation. Period. End of it.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:34 PM

4. He wouldn't give them what their sad reality wanted - something to get promotions and raises.

 

He couldn't give them what they wanted (he made a clock not a bomb), so they interrogated him in hopes he would say it was a bomb and then they would all be instant heroes. Now, however, the cops all look like racist zeroes imo. So do the people that run the school district and the mayor.

Irving full of racist assholes? Sounds like the Texas that I know and despise.

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Response to Rex (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:07 PM

19. John Birchers from wayback.

They haven't gotten beyond "Impeach Earl Warren" and "Fluoride is a Commie Plot" thinking.

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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:52 PM

62. That explains a HUGE amount!

 

Thanks!

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:35 PM

5. Holy shit!

That is so spot on.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:35 PM

6. Yeah -- But he got an invitation

to the White House and MIT and Space Camp.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:16 AM

91. The Washington Post had an interesting

article this morning about a 13 year old Ted Cruz supporter, C.J. Pearson, who did a you tube video excoriating the President for inviting this young man to the White House:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/18/ted-cruz-ninja-is-13-black-and-just-shredded-obama-on-muslim-clock-boy/

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Response to LibertyLover (Reply #91)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:39 AM

94. I have to go with George Takei.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #94)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:23 AM

98. That was absolutely spot on -

but then Uncle George so often is. Thank you for sharing.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:36 PM

7. They claim that they thought he had a "hoax" bomb.

Of course, the problem with that assertion is that in order to have a "hoax" bomb you have to have something that you claim is a bomb that isn't a bomb. What he had wasn't a bomb and he never claimed it was.

It was a clock. Or at worst a "hoax clock" (which would be the case if it really wasn't a clock or a bomb and wouldn't be illegal anyway) but it was never a bomb or a hoax bomb.

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Response to onenote (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:46 PM

23. I'm not sure he would have to say it was a bomb

Just having an object that could be perceived as a bomb might be enough to cause a panic, if that was the real purpose.

But...the only reason they even assumed it was a "hoax" bomb threat, is because he was Muslim. They never would have assumed that if he was white. And one interview I saw with him hit it right on the head. He was brought into a room with five detectives, and one guy (the commander?) looked up and saw him and said "Yeah, I thought it was him".

Boom! Yeah, I thought it was the Muslim kid.

They knew it wasn't a bomb. But...did they also know it wasn't a "hoax" bomb threat and just use that to humilate the kid? We may never know, but considering the locale, I'm guessing it was just a ruse to shake him (and his family) up.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:03 PM

37. It would be interesting what the demographics of the committee

is.

On Chris Hayes he was asked if he had support at school - smiled that big grin of his and said that many of his school mates were supportive. I hope he is right.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:01 PM

63. It doesn't even look like a bomb though.

It's not like the kid duct taped a bunch of road flares together and glued a cell phone to it. What he had looked nothing like a bomb. Yeah, it was in a box, but people that think any Muslim carrying a container around must totally have a bomb are crazy racists.

"X people can't have any kind of containers because stupid racists might think it will explode" is a dangerous road to go down. Morons panic over all kinds of dumb shit, (The president's a Muslim, Sharia law, the military is attacking Texas, white genocide, etc) the answer to that isn't to coddle them, it's to say "Hey dumbass, calm down and shut up.".

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #63)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:13 PM

65. Apparently his English teacher thought it looked like a bomb.

Most people really have no idea how to identify a bomb.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #65)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:55 PM

76. we needed that teacher to deal with the shoe bomber

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #63)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:42 AM

101. See, it's like this:

POC have to be limited. Somehow. Just like the right to carry doesn't apply to our African American citizens, Muslims can't have clocks.

It all sort of makes sense...to someone, I guess.

Me, I think the local cops just wanted to fuck with the kid. He's probably smarter than the cop's kids.

I don't need smilies, right?

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:00 PM

105. Relevant Texas statute:

Hoax Bomb: (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or(2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies. -

Definitions: (13) "Hoax bomb" means a device thatA) reasonably appears to be an explosive or incendiary device; or(B) by its design causes alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or a volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.


While one might conclude that under 13(b), the device met the definition of a "hoax bomb", there was absolutely no evidence from which the police could reasonably conclude that Ahmed had the"intent to use the hoax bomb to1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or (2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies".

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Response to onenote (Reply #105)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:36 PM

113. Thanks for this info

Since he consistently denied it was a bomb, they had no right assuming it was even a hoax. They tried to pressure him into saying it was, because that was the result they were looking for.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #113)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:33 PM

116. +1 n/t

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:37 PM

8. everything on faebook is true nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:42 PM

10. Do you disagree with the OP?

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Response to msongs (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:06 PM

18. Care to cite the report about the school being evacuated?

Or the bomb squad being called?

Or any potential hazard protocols being initiated?

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Response to msongs (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:48 PM

25. Best have some back up

Before spouting sewage out of those fingers.

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Response to msongs (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:38 PM

48. Logic, is logic regardless of the source.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:38 PM

9. Sonofabitchin bastards. She's right.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:48 PM

11. Hey,this Police Dept and their Fricken Mayor

wanted a Moooslimm issue,what a bunch of ignorant selfish uncaring dumb white people. And Texass wonders why Companies are bailing on them.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:49 PM

61. " And Texass wonders why Companies are bailing on them."

Link please. I thought it was the other way around.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:48 PM

12. Exactly!

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:50 PM

13. +10000 .... Sing it!!!!!!

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:53 PM

14. Damn....They never thought he had a bomb.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:54 PM

15. Damn!

That makes me sick.

I'm glad he's switching schools. They don't deserve to be blessed with such a bright and talented boy.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:58 PM

16. Amazing! The truth cannot be contested. n/t

 

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:02 PM

17. The power of logic on display.

Thanks for the thread, pepperbear.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:25 PM

20. Nailed it. nt

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:37 PM

21. They've said that since the beginning.

It was quickly ascertained that it was not a bomb, but that they thought it was a "hoax bomb". That it would be used to scare someone. They didn't believe his innocent intentions that it was merely a clock.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:56 PM

33. So the teacher and the principal thought it was a "hoax"?

Why call the cops then if there were no threat, just a kid misbehaving? Call his parents, suspend him, etc. Why involve the cops?

If they thought it could have been a threat, why didn't they evacuate the school? That first and always, then call the authorities.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:44 PM

22. +1000

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:47 PM

24. Wait a minute.

This Facebook post sets up a false dichotomy. Either:

(A) They believed he had a bomb that could blow everybody up; OR
(B) they never thought he had a bomb.

But isn't it possible--likely, even--that some of the people involved were thinking the following?

(C) This looks like a timer and detonator that could possibly be triggered by a cell phone. It looks way too complicated to be "just a clock." We don't see any explosives, but we need to find out if this kid has built something designed to detonate explosives.

Yes, I know: The news stories you've read have reported that they thought he had "a bomb," not "a detonator." But in fact, the teacher involved stated that she thought it was "possibly the infrastructure for a bomb" and some of the police appear to have used the word "device." The adults were not bomb experts and may not have been all that up on the terminology. Some of them, no doubt, used the word "bomb."

Don't get me wrong. I'm outraged that this technologicially gifted 14-year-old was led out of the school in handcuffs based on nothing other than prejudice and ignorance. But if you ask me, that Facebook post is a clever but misleading piece of writing.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:03 PM

36. I'll ask again

If the school officials thought, inferred, believed, suspected, intuited, had a funny feeling that there were even a hint of a potential threat, why didn't they evacuate the school?

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #36)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:09 PM

39. I'll respond again.

Because they saw no explosives attached to the device. Again: They were thinking this student might have built a detonator, maybe using some plans off the Internet.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:23 PM

42. even then

you'd evacuate the building, a detonator is a component of a bomb and even THEN you're assuming these people are ballistics experts.

it looked like something you see in the movies. their assumption that it was a bomb (or not) is not nullified by your knowledge that it looks more like a detonator.

point is, if a phone call threat to bomb a school leads to evacuation then it is certainly true that both a detonator or a bomb would be grounds to evacuate the building.

doesn't matter what particular thing it might have been, the protocol should have been evacuation either way.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:43 PM

49. Ballistics Experts

It would be explosives experts.

Ballistics is the science of projectiles... Bullets, cannon balls, and to a degree missiles. Basically stuff that flys through the air after being propelled.

Sorry... I get my nerd on from time to time.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #49)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:17 PM

66. i appreciate the edification! :) n/t

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:31 PM

46. Then there was a possibility that explosives could have been in the building

and explosives come in many more forms than sticks of TNT wrapped up with duck tape.

Can't have it both ways.

Either a threat was perceived no matter how minor and safety protocols should been followed or

there was no threat, just a kid screwing around and the police weren't necessary.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:37 PM

47. +1

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:48 PM

54. Oh my gosh.

Now a couple of you seem to be arguing that unless I can prove the police handled the situation perfectly, then the logic of the Facebook post stands.

I don't think they handled the situation correctly. I think they mishandled it horribly. Ahmed Mohamed should have been apologized to and returned to class once it became clear that this student had not built the "infrastructure for a bomb."

Allow me now to turn the question back to you folks:

You seriously believe that the teacher and the police never thought there was cause for concern about the device? You believe that they all knew it was a harmless clock and acted only so that they could, in the words of the Facebook post, "humiliate a little Muslim boy"?

I think truth and reality often come in shades of grey. I think the teacher and the police were genuinely alarmed when they first saw the device. I think the investigation then went off the rails because of anti-Muslim prejudice and an unwillingness to admit error. I do not, for one minute, buy what the Facebook post posits, namely, that they either believed it was a bomb that was about to blow everyone up at any second OR they never believed there was any cause for concern and their only motivation was to humiliate.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #39)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:15 AM

79. Sorry not buying that. If someone sees a luch sack sitting in the wrong place they evacuate

 

schools. And if they didn't think it was a bomb, why did they insist on asking him over and over about the bomb?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #79)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:24 AM

80. As the teacher said...

... there was a concern that this was "the infrastructure for a bomb." I take that to mean that they thought it looked like it might be some kind of detonator. You can see my other posts in the thread for more information, if you like.

Below is a picture of what caused the teacher to be concerned. I don't think the concern was unreasonable. I don't think asking the boy about the device was unreasonable. I do think the outcome of the questioning was unreasonable and was fueled by fear, anti-Muslim racism, and an inability to admit their initial suspicions were wrong.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #80)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:14 AM

84. Oh FFS!

I said in an OP if a kid came to me with that when I taught, I would sit down and talk to him. I would do it out of curiosity. Then you would have a fricking clue what he did. In addition, if the teachers are paying attention in the least, they would know this kid and know if he had exhibited any sketchy behavior. That goes for all the students.
You also DON'T HANDCUFF HIM because of that crap. He should have had his parents with him.

And people have no clue what a bomb looks like. There are preconceived ideas and some bear a resemblance to the truth. You could walk by some people with real bombs and they would be oblivious.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #80)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:32 AM

88. No way is that a bomb or a detonator.

Idiots.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #39)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:39 PM

114. The child in question came in and said "Look at this CLOCK I built". You are tying to say it is

A reasonable reaction to say "No that looks like a detonator"

Child PLEASE your racism is showing.

Please quit trying to defend the indefensible.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #114)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:51 PM

115. I've stopped responding to the charges of racism in this thread.

I've been called a racist, a house slave, an apologist for bigots... I can't even keep track at this point. Every time my "My Posts" tab goes yellow, I sigh and wonder, "Okay, who's going to call me a racist monster now?"

All because I disagree with a Facebook post that argues, through a false dichotomy, that no one at any point had any legitimate concern for safety in that school.

I have stated in virtually every post that I believe the response to the perceived threat was an outrage and was almost surely fueled by anti-Muslim racism. No one seems to notice those sentences.

The groupthink permeating this thread makes any attempt to discuss the topic futile.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:20 PM

41. Hmmmm if they even had the slightest incination that the child had an incendiary device ...

.... a detonator for an explosive .... or anything that would warrant the authorities being called, they should have (read: would have) erred on the side of caution and evacuated the vicinity, if not the entire school.

Clearly, these are not the most astute folk; however, one would think if there was any perceived danger they would have taken steps to protect the students and staff.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:03 PM

64. more like D, imo - they thought it was a deliberate hoax

 

and they wanted to force him to confess to their perception of what it was.

It was still a lame way to operate, but welcome to the new normal.

edit to add: that even with your scenario, they would have still evacuated the building, and called the bomb squad in, to be prudent.

I think the facebook exchange is correct in that they knew there was no bomb. They suspected it was a deliberate hoax and wanted the kid to confess to it, which explains the way the mishandled the situation.

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Response to ReactFlux (Reply #64)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:22 PM

68. Interersting thoughts.

You might be right about D; it's a complicated situation, and I'm mulling it over. Nothing I've said addresses the use of the word "hoax," which is part of the story, so your theory has some merit.

In terms of an evacuation, I'm speculating, but I think that was a next course of action that they never got to, but would have, if the questioning of Ahmed Mohamed had gone like this:

Police (looking at a metal case containing circuit boards and wires): You say this is just a clock?
AM: Yes. It's just a clock.
Police (not believing him): Is this the only one you've made?
AM: No, there's another one.
Police: Where?
AM: I'm not telling, but you'll find out.

Of course my dialogue above is fiction. It didn't happen. Do I think that's a scenario the police thought might play out? Yes. Do I think that's the scenario some of them had in mind, especially since they were interviewing a Muslim and harboring anti-Muslim prejudice? Yes. And had it played out as above, I think the building would have been evacuated in short order.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #68)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:06 AM

87. I think the authorities will be forced to admit to that pretty soon...

 

as the simple logic in the facebook exchange can not be disputed.

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Response to ReactFlux (Reply #87)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:09 PM

109. Unfortunately, I could not disagree with you more.

I dispute the logic in that Facebook exchange. It is a false dichotomy. But the groupthink in this thread is so pervasive, it is absolutely futile to even try to discuss it.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:21 PM

67. This #24 is an "argument to moderation", seems more a logical fallacy, arguing that it is more

 

logical than the other fella's logical fallacy.

Cute.

Just a longer way of saying they thought there was a threat. As you stated below "The adults were not bomb experts and may not have been all that up on the terminology".

So they were just experts enough to be up on all the latest bomb technology, and could distinguish a timer and detonator from an actual miniature explosive device or virus laden "dirty" object -"We don't see any explosives," - yet they don't know the "terminology"?

Do you even read what you write?



I didn't get you wrong at all.

Have you heard Evilhair in his speeches? He makes excuses for bigotry too, explains such behavior by calling those, his supporters it seems, "very passionate people". I would pick better people to emulate if I were you,but it's your choice.


Ever read this?

"To understand this, you have to go back to what [the] young brother here referred to as the house Negro and the field Negro -- back during slavery. There was two kinds of slaves. There was the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes - they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good 'cause they ate his food -- what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved their master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master's house quicker than the master would. The house Negro, if the master said, "We got a good house here," the house Negro would say, "Yeah, we got a good house here." Whenever the master said "we," he said "we." That's how you can tell a house Negro.

If the master's house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, "What's the matter, boss, we sick?" We sick! He identified himself with his master more than his master identified with himself. And if you came to the house Negro and said, "Let's run away, let's escape, let's separate," the house Negro would look at you and say, "Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?" That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house nigger." And that's what we call him today, because we've still got some house niggers running around here.

This modern house Negro loves his master. He wants to live near him. He'll pay three times as much as the house is worth just to live near his master, and then brag about "I'm the only Negro out here." "I'm the only one on my job." "I'm the only one in this school." You're nothing but a house Negro. And if someone comes to you right now and says, "Let's separate," you say the same thing that the house Negro said on the plantation. "What you mean, separate? From America? This good white man? Where you going to get a better job than you get here?" I mean, this is what you say. "I ain't left nothing in Africa," that's what you say. Why, you left your mind in Africa.

http://field-negro.blogspot.com/2012/05/its-21st-century-but-house-negro-is.html

You can look up the speech on youtube if you are interested. He was talking about freedom, and how people take it when it is being denied them by the privileged people around them. He offers an observation that some people are more concerned about the Master than they are their neighbor, and why they might make up excuses for behavior that they should see as inhuman and wrong.


There is no good excuse for their behavior. White kids have been getting fucking awards for the same shit for decades. It was wrong, and no bully is big enough to excuse these jack-booted thugs.



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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #67)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:24 PM

70. "Cute"?

Get back to me when you're ready to talk like an adult. And I'll pass on the diatribe, thanks.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:29 PM

72. Really?

A few months ago, they locked down and evacuated a bunch of schools in New Jersey because of a PHONE CALL.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/swatting-blamed-for-cresskill-school-lockdown-1.1351435

If they really thought this kid had a bomb, their actions would have been widespread, not just limited to this one child.

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Response to kimmylavin (Reply #72)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:35 PM

74. A simple question for you.

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Do you think that the teacher and the police always knew that they were looking at nothing but a harmless clock and that the only reason they acted was to "humiliate a little Muslim boy."

Yes or No?

Because that's the position of the Facebook post.

And from my first post to my last, that's all that I'm disagreeing with.

On edit: Below, a photo of Ahmed Mohamed's clock.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #74)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:53 AM

102. If they thought there was any chance of a bomb, then not evacuating was a bad decision

Do you think that the teacher and the police always knew that they were looking at nothing but a harmless clock and that the only reason they acted was to "humiliate a little Muslim boy."

If they did think there was any possibility of a bomb, then they would have evacuated. Even if they changed their mind later. The moment you seriously consider "there could be a bomb", you get everyone out of the fucking school.

Your argument is desperately searching to excuse mistreating a child.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #24)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:31 PM

111. So, two questions. Did the school implement their threat policy?

I assume that the school had a protocol to follow when they suspect a threat. Was it followed?

And, why was this minor interviewed by police without parents being present?

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:51 PM

26. Nah, just a perfect time to destroy a little boy who is Brown.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #26)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:26 PM

60. But smarter than they are.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:52 PM

27. Brilliant!

"Damn...They never thought he had a bomb."

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:52 PM

28. Excellent analysis!

 

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:55 PM

30. My posts on FB are mostly about food.

 

Everyone on DU should see my food.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:55 PM

31. This has been going on for years, yet nobody pays attention

 

A kid was suspended because he had a poptart shaped like a gun, obviously noobdy thought the poptart looked like a gun. It seemed nobody cared before about some of these stupid zero tolence policies.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:07 PM

38. Except this kid had a clock shaped like a, well, a clock. Everything else was made up by the racists

 

around him.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:10 PM

40. I don't think it looked like a clock

 

A bunch of circuit boards soldiered together. Without somebody telling me what it was, I wouldn't know what it was.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #40)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:06 PM

59. A few minutes of conversation with the boy and teacher and police

could have solved everything. Funny how TALKING to someone can bring answers to your questions.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #40)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:26 PM

71. A fucking teacher already knew it was a clock and had seen it. This was all after, and all these

 

brown-shirted clowns had to do was check with that teacher.

White kids have been getting awards for bringing circuit board projects to school for decades. Anyone who says they haven't is a fucking liar,and there is plenty of evidence to back this up.

I personally brought more than one such thing to school, and know personally of thousands more. But they don't do such things to white kids.

It was the color of his skin, not the box.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #71)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:17 AM

92. This wasn't a school project

There were no awards to be won. He brought it to school unannounced, and it accidentally made a noise that nobody was expecting. That's where it became an issue. Once they figured it all out though, there was zero reason to arrest or suspend him.

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Response to The2ndWheel (Reply #92)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:12 AM

97. The problem started when they put these racist ass-clowns in charge of children.

 

On my planet, millions of white kids bring shit to school every day that they didn't have pre-screened. People deal with it.

I am not sure if you have heard of Sputnik, but at one time this country was afraid we were going to fall behind in technology, so we invested in an emphasis on engineering and science educations. Literally millions of kids since then have dragged boxes, car trunks, freakin' pickup beds full of wires, timers, rockets, transformers, dangerous chemical substances to school. I and millions of other white kids have done the same and far more dangerous things. We were never even suspected, much less arrested. White kids continue to do the same thing without being molested. I have been unable to find an instance where the teachers thought a white kid had a bomb instead of something he was trying to learn about. Not fucking one.

The only differences here are the color of the kid's skin and his religion. Oh, and cowardly adults who apparently find it easier to beat up on a 12 year old kid than confront their own racism, or that of their peers.

People who blame this kid for being a kid, and not acting in another way, are practicing "respectability politics". It has been around a long time, and reared it's ugly head recently after the many homicides of unarmed black folk, where they are told if they just act in more approved ways, their troubles will cease.

But the promise of respectability politics is a lie, "You can do everything “right” in America, but if you’re black, racism will always pose a threat to your life." It avoids the problem. It doesn't address the racism that caused the issue.

Now we have it being practiced on Muslims,

People say the kids are our future,as if we are going to breed ourselves out of our problems. Yet we teach them hate while they are still young, and then they grow up to be like us. Until we find a fix, perhaps grow a backbone and protect these kids from these bullies, and the racist or cowardly adults, we have no hope.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #97)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:15 PM

106. I'm not going to disagree with you on any of that

They also didn't do anything to Mohamed until what he brought to school made an unexpected noise. They didn't search him for anything before that. They didn't think he had a bomb because it was a Tuesday and he's Muslim. Again, the suspension, the arrest, all way, way, way too much. None of it was needed after they figured everything out.

But bad things have happened in schools. Bad shit happens all over the place. Kids have wanted to use bombs in schools before. Does him being a Muslim in Texas have anything to do with how things unfolded? It's possible, maybe likely. However, that doesn't change what initiated this specific incident. Should white kids with wires be detained as well? Why not? Nobody knows what anyone is capable of, or what anyone's intentions ever are anymore. People get shot on live TV. People shoot up cartoonists. White kids with guns shoot up their classmates. Americans against taxes, and Muslims against the West fly planes into buildings. Various people around the world have been known to make bombs out of many different things and have them go off. The world is an unfair, fucked up place.

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Response to The2ndWheel (Reply #106)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:03 PM

108. You are revising history. He already had it out, a teacher had inspected it, determined it was just

 

a clock, and told him to put away. He did. The alarm went off and he tried to shut it off, and that's when the racists did their thing.

Arduino controllers are everywhere, and I would bet if you went through the other backpacks at the school you would find at least 10 of them being used for various projects. i know at least 3 people using them at home for hobby purposes with their linux box.

I would bet if one of those teachers told you they had never seen one in their school they might be lying. Lots of kids have those to experiment with, all over the world. If the teacher chose not to see them, that's another thing, buf if they are afraid of learning, why are they in a school? And if they are that ignorant why are they letting him or her teach hate to these kids? Shouldn't they have to check with someone who lives in this century?

http://store-usa.arduino.cc/

I know at of at least a couple dozen. There are whole clubs where people show up with a handful of these to work with. Maybe we should call SWAT.

The fact is there are no white kids with arduino controllers being arrested. Just darker-skinned Muslim ones.

"The world is an unfair, fucked up place." < You are right there - made so partially by bigots, racists, bullies, and their supporters.

Too bad people won't stand up for the weakest among us, but perhaps they feel bigger by beating them up instead. Or supporting the bullies.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #71)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:30 AM

93. And "that" fucking teacher told him not to show it to anyone

precisely, because he knew it doesn't look like a clock to most people, and with our nation's crazy zero policy rules, he was afraid something exactly like this would happen.

It was a personal project, btw, and not a class assignment. Which is especially commendable, imo.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #93)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:05 AM

96. That's the only thing I could fault that teacher

He should have told Ahmed to leave it with him; he could do a S&T during science class. That teacher clearly was aware that the administrators were bigoted assholes itching for the chance to dump on the brown kid ... again.

What might have been

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #93)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:51 PM

103. All the folks who want to skip over the teacher's racism and focus on the kid sound very passionate

 

as their Donald would say.

There are no reports of any white kids being told not to show their shit to anyone lest someone think it's a bomb. No other white kids brought anything electronic to school? Ever? He is the ONLY kid who every brought a box with wires on it? Bullshit. We have been doing this since the 60s at least.

But here the difference is a dark-skinned Muslim. So this building with racist teachers decided he must be a threat. Which serves the needs of the privileged white folks quite nicely.

Lots of people to make excuses for the teachers and cops, as if they are afraid the Master's house will burn if they don't teach the kid his place...

It is called "Respectability Politics", and is practiced by the alleged serial rapist Bill Cosby and the buffoon Charles Barkley, who regularly feed white people what they want to hear about black folks - if they would just pull up their pants, work harder, not do drugs, etc., all their problems go away.

But their behavior isn't the problem, and suggesting that it is avoids holding the privileged white out to account for _their_ behavior.

Because the target of their hate will never be white enough to satisfy anyone. And this kid will never be white enough or Christian enough to satisfy them either.

More if one wants: http://www.thenation.com/article/respectability-politics-wont-save-us-death-jonathan-ferrell/



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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:55 PM

32. But how much did they loose since they could not get a referral fee for the

privately operated prison?

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:43 PM

50. And that might be the most chilling comment on the thread... n/t

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:56 PM

34. Thank you for the logic.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:02 PM

35. False dichotomy.

Many of you are falling prey to groupthink. See my post above (#24).

Or don't, and continue expressing shock and indignation that it was all an elaborate ruse on the part of officials who clearly never believed there was anything troubling about Ahmed's device, as proved by the crystal-clear logic of a Facebook post.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:25 PM

44. i replied.

no matter what it was, if it implied that it was a destructive device, then evacuation should've been the next course of action.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #35)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:59 AM

89. It was opportunism

This young man was new to the school. He was smart and brown, which they didn't like.

So, when the opportunity came to humiliate him, someone took it and they all ran with it.

Bomb threats are taken seriously at schools. This was not treated as a bomb threat, it was treated as a way to humiliate a young man who mistakenly thought that he had the same rights as the white children at the school.

You seem very invested in saying the reaction was appropriate.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:25 PM

43. They just wanted to humiliate a little Muslim boy.

And these fine specimens of humanity are supposed to be fine, upstanding Christian members of the community, and instead of acting like that, they decide on this racist, bigoted and hate-based reaction.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #43)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:52 PM

56. But the NASA tee-shirt!

You are absolutely right on the money.

But then again, perhaps they thought he was wearing a National Association of Scary Assassins tee-shirt.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:25 PM

45. In a better world, where bullshit gets checked:

"Ok, so you thought the boy made a bomb."

"Yes."

"And instead of evacuating the school, you pulled him out of class, arrested in front of everyone, then interrogated him, on the premises without getting the children to safety? So, we're going to put you up for criminal endangerment of this entire school"

"Well, uh, maybe we didn't really think it was a bomb"

"Oh, ok, so instead you lied to police and federal authorities in order to bring up false charges against a minor for... kicks? I mean, you're basically picking between which charges you'd like to go up on here. Let me know, so we can get the paperwork right."

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Response to elleng (Reply #45)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:50 AM

81. Well, if a bomb hoax is perpetrated by deliberately claiming you have a bomb

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when you know you really don't, then isn't it the COPS who perpetrated the bomb hoax?


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Response to elleng (Reply #45)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:34 AM

100. DUZY!

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Bigotry or incompetence above and beyond the call of duty? Now they'll have to pick one...

RawStory: (MSNBC's Chris) Hayes pointed out that, despite the allegations against the teen, no bomb squad was called to the MacArthur campus, nor was the campus evacuated. “Once it’s determined that this is just a clock or just a piece of electronics, why then the arrest and all of that?” he asked (Irving Police Chief Larry) Boyd. “That’s very hard for folks to understand.”

“I get that. I understand the concern,” the chief responded. “The officers pretty quickly determined that they weren’t investigating an explosive device. What their investigation centered around is the law violation of bringing a device into a facility like that that is intended to create a level of alarm. In other words, a hoax bomb — something that is not really a bomb, but is designed and presented in a way that it creates people to be afraid.”

“Right, but he never called it a bomb, right?” Hayes countered. “He just kept calling it a clock. I mean, it never came out of his lips, he never did something or started showing it around saying, ‘Look at this bomb I have.’ He said, ‘Look at my clock.'” Boyd said...that in many cases, someone who would make a “hoax bomb” would not be likely to admit to doing so to police...“With what they had at that time, they made the best decision that they had at that point in time.”

If the police had decided that it was neither a bomb or a detonator, the best decision would have been to explain to the boy that he had nearly perpetrated a bomb hoax and gone home.


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Response to rocktivity (Reply #100)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:16 PM

112. An authority called an authority on a kid.

 

Authority #1 called authority #2 on a teenager.

Authority #2 figures authority #1 would never have called them unless the teenager did something wrong. The teenager must be wrong, and authority #1 must be right. Therfore, authority #2 is going to support authority #1. The teenager must be punished to demonstrate authority #2's support of authority #1, and to teach the teenager not to fuck with authority.


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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:43 PM

51. Let's cut the cops a little slack

This is a low-budget police department. All their training comes from watching B-movie action/adventure flicks.

In those movies, bombs always have a digital time readout. Because terrorists always include a digital timer -- so the good guys and the audience know exactly how much time they have left to defuse the bomb.

So, it was a natural mistake.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #51)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:47 PM

52. So then when the timer reaches 3 seconds left, cut the green wire and call it a day.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #51)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:01 AM

90. They were probably extra confused then

because the timer was going forward instead of backward...

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Response to Bettie (Reply #90)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:27 AM

99. Nice shot

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:47 PM

53. What they were trying to say, in their own awkward way was:

Non-Christian (Non-white, non-English as a first language, non-people of primarily European ancestry, non-male) people should know their place. Generally 5 IQ points lower, 15% poorer, and just a bit slower (unless you play sports) than the average white person (meaning, owner/operators of penises).

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:49 PM

55. I look at the lovely young face and I think

 

He has glimpses of understanding he was targeted but right now still happy to be right. He is excited to go to the White House. I am sad because that young child will start to realize that racism was at work. His life and how he sees other seeing him is already changing..

And this is the way it is for thousands upon thousands of other lovely young faces. Damn it.

Damn it all to hell. We need to connect to the humanity in each of us.


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Response to artislife (Reply #55)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:02 AM

82. I think he already knows this

he said he had other problems with the school and now is happy to be moving to a new one. I sure hope its a better place for him.

When the interviewer mentioned that to the principal or whoever the woman was they were talking to, she looked uncomfortable and said if they had known they would have done something. What an ugly story.


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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:05 PM

58. Of course! Hideously true.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:22 PM

69. K&R to the absolute max!! nt

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:34 PM

73. How fucking disgusting can people get?

 

This incident says about how much!

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:37 PM

75. The excuse seems to be "well, it could have been". So do they call the boom squad when someone

 

wears shoes?

'Cause all it takes is one Nike to slip through, you know.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:03 PM

77. This morning in San Diego, California, 10 high schools were put on lockdown due to 'threats'.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/30055761/threats-force-10-sdusd-high-schools-into-lockdown


SAN DIEGO (CNS) - Nearly a dozen San Diego-area high schools were targeted by threats of violence Thursday, prompting lockdowns and police sweeps that turned up no hazards.


Starting at about 9:30 a.m., meanwhile, threats about shootings or explosives were received at 10 San Diego Unified School District campuses: Clairemont, Crawford, Kearny, La Jolla, Mira Mesa, Morse, Patrick Henry, Point Loma, San Diego and Scripps Ranch high schools, SDUSD spokeswoman Ursula Kroemer said.

Most of the calls were received within a roughly 20-minute period, and several others occurred later in the morning, according to Kroemer.

Administrators put the campuses on lockdown while San Diego police conducted sweeps. District officials advised parents that there was no need to go to any of the campuses to pick up students.

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Now, that's what happens when you get a perceived threat at a high school. The threats were called in, there wasn't even a person present, and the schools were clamped shut.

I don't recall there being anything like that at this kid's Texas high school when his "suspicious" device was seen and reported.

That Texas school wasn't even put on lockdown like what happened with *** TEN *** California schools today.



Another thing, Ahmed's fingerprints were taken. Even though there are no charges....

HIS FINGERPRINTS ARE NOW IN A NATIONWIDE DATABASE...... FOR LIFE!

He can never get them removed from that database! An innocent person will now be a person of interest whenever anything remotely "terrorist" is thought of or done.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:45 PM

78. He's lucky they didn't just shoot him. I mean, he doesn't look Irish like me. And what kind of a

search did they do? Could you imagine a kid like that being subjected to a strip search at 14? No reason not to. The cops are out of control all over the place and the Chief suggests there were only four cops in that room (the one where they wouldn't let the kid call his parents) instead of five. Wow, that's just great. The kid looks like he doesn't weigh more than 100 lbs and four armed men with handcuffs are needed to take him to jail.

How much worse could this be?

Oh, yeah. They could have shot him to death.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:05 AM

83. "Block evacuated downtown because of a suspicious package. Bomb squad dispatched to investigate."

That's how we-don't-know-if-it's-a-bomb-or-not is handled. You're right, it didn't happen at this school, did it?

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:26 AM

85. That is fucking horrible.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:49 AM

95. Didn't even think of that.

Wow... That's right.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:51 PM

104. Isn't this kind of "duh"?

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:17 PM

107. Clearly, TPTB are going with the "Facsimiles are not allowed, and we are the judges."

 

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:24 PM

110. The realization that these muthafuckas are racists assholes

is strong with this one!

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 10:16 AM

117. good other parents are aware the Tx. school is a 'hostile environment' for talented, creative kids

A darn shame Americas public schools are so unequal in quality & have such a bad attitude towards 'local' students they consider "others or different"

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