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Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:11 PM

Why should someone who is transgender not use the facilities they identify with?

Last edited Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:37 PM - Edit history (2)

I am writing she/he and girls/boys, please put the genders together when you read. Perhaps "identified gender:people of the same identified gender" would be more accurate, but it seemed clumsy to write.

I sincerely do not understand the reasoning behind not allowing a person to use the facility (restroom, locker room) that they identify with.

Also, I will be on and off DU for a couple days at random times so may not be able to answer/reply quickly.
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ETA, thank you for all the replies and votes. The proper answer is they should use the facilities they identify with.
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Reply Why should someone who is transgender not use the facilities they identify with? (Original post)
uppityperson Sep 2015 OP
roody Sep 2015 #1
uppityperson Sep 2015 #3
etherealtruth Sep 2015 #17
Doingto Sep 2015 #46
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #53
gollygee Sep 2015 #2
uppityperson Sep 2015 #4
gollygee Sep 2015 #5
TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #12
Oneironaut Sep 2015 #22
gvstn Sep 2015 #6
REP Sep 2015 #14
gvstn Sep 2015 #30
REP Sep 2015 #32
gvstn Sep 2015 #33
REP Sep 2015 #34
gvstn Sep 2015 #37
REP Sep 2015 #40
gvstn Sep 2015 #41
uppityperson Sep 2015 #35
gvstn Sep 2015 #36
REP Sep 2015 #39
uppityperson Sep 2015 #47
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #55
REP Sep 2015 #80
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #81
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #54
HappyPlace Sep 2015 #7
BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #13
Shandris Sep 2015 #8
ChazII Sep 2015 #11
TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #15
uppityperson Sep 2015 #21
SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #29
LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #42
PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #9
uppityperson Sep 2015 #10
madville Sep 2015 #16
uppityperson Sep 2015 #20
SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #28
ileus Sep 2015 #18
backscatter712 Sep 2015 #86
randome Sep 2015 #19
DefenseLawyer Sep 2015 #23
Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #24
uppityperson Sep 2015 #31
greymattermom Sep 2015 #25
SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #27
SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #26
Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #38
LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #43
Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #49
Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #50
Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #51
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #56
uppityperson Sep 2015 #60
backscatter712 Sep 2015 #67
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #76
uppityperson Sep 2015 #59
backscatter712 Sep 2015 #65
Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #66
backscatter712 Sep 2015 #68
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #77
MillennialDem Sep 2015 #75
mainer Sep 2015 #82
MillennialDem Sep 2015 #89
mainer Sep 2015 #90
uppityperson Sep 2015 #87
geek tragedy Sep 2015 #83
Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #73
winter is coming Sep 2015 #85
LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #44
LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #45
KamaAina Sep 2015 #48
Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #52
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #57
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #58
Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #61
backscatter712 Sep 2015 #62
Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #70
backscatter712 Sep 2015 #71
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #78
LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #64
backscatter712 Sep 2015 #63
Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #79
Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #69
icymist Sep 2015 #72
LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #74
FrodosPet Sep 2015 #84
Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #88

Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:15 PM

1. How do people even know if someone

is transg? I don't inspect other people using the same facilities as me. People who do should be banned.

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Response to roody (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:17 PM

3. +++++

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Response to roody (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:20 PM

17. That was my first thought ...

... let me assure you I have no desire to peer into stalls when someone is using the facility.

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Response to roody (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 06:46 AM

46. +1

 

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Response to roody (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:02 PM

53. I've seen it suggested

....that they should carry papers documenting their hotomones, surgeries, etc. Hope the suggestion was in jest.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:16 PM

2. I think they should be able to use whichever they want

which might in most cases be the one they identify with, but my daughter has a transgender friend who is afraid to use the boy's bathroom/locker room at school because he's afraid he'll get bullied. I feel like he should be able to use whichever he wants, and since he wants to use the girls' room, that's fine too. And when there is a school trip or trip with another group they're both in, he chooses to room with the girls. I guess I wouldn't want to see a rule that they HAVE to use the facility they identify with either.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:18 PM

4. I sincerely don't understand the concern about this.

I would like to know what people are worried about, why they think the way they do as understanding why someone thinks, how they think, is the first step in figuring out how to alleviate those fears.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:21 PM

5. I have no idea

Someone said it would be too traumatic to buy a tampon from a vending machine in front of a transgender person. Why on earth would that be a problem? I can't even imagine why that would be an issue. It's ridiculous.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:12 PM

12. Some of the discussion was re co-ed locker rooms

I don't think most women want to walk around in a towel in front of the guys.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:52 PM

22. Because some people can't live without butting in to others' lives.

It literally drives some people crazy if everybody doesn't think like they do / isn't like them.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:39 PM

6. My thought is that...

If you are a transgendered teen that you have a lot more on your mind than checking out the people in the lockerroom of the gender you identify with. It is probably the last thing on the kid's mind when they have to choose which bathroom/lockerroom to use.

The public bathroom is the last place that I could find something sexy to think about.

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Response to gvstn (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:16 PM

14. Locker rooms can be brutal for teens, no matter the gender identity

That's not a reason for discrimination but a reason for better supervision.

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Response to REP (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:06 PM

30. No doubt.

Teens are very self-conscious.

They think everything that happens to them is the first time it every happened in the history of man. If Suzie has a pimple on her breast that she thinks is disgusting, guess what, Jimmy don't care about that pimple if he gets to see your breast.

I'm just saying that using a bathroom/lockerroom should not be a big deal. And you are right that supervision is necessary for the first couple weeks until everyone gets used to it. But using the bathroom being of whatever gender should not be a big deal, we all do it at home.

My mother was in a wheelchair and needed help using some public toilets. I, as a male, went into several women's bathrooms to assist and never heard one word of complaint from anyone. The women went about their business (which I could hear) but I never had one single person complain or be afraid. This is a made up problem.

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Response to gvstn (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:43 AM

32. I'm speaking specifically of school locker rooms

Many, especially those in older buildings, have common showers without stalls and locker/changing areas without privacy - everyone undresses/dresses in full view of others. When I was in school, one could opt out of showering, but changing in and out of gym uniforms was not optional. Schools with that sort of locker/shower arrangements would benefit from supervision, no matter is trans students are present or not. It's not about pimples (hint, women don't get breast pimples); it's about bullying.

Why no one said anything about you being in a handicap stall with your wheelchair-bound mother is because you were in a handicap stall with your wheelchair-bound mother. If you'd been loitering in the Ladies sans a disabled woman or a very young girl, I'm sure you would have gotten a few questions if not an escort from Security.

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Response to REP (Reply #32)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:04 AM

33. Fair points.

As a gay man, I did not know about breast pimples (thanks!).

I hated lockerrooms when I was in school (and communal showers). I'm just saying from an adult prospective it should not be a big deal. Trans or not, just changing into gym shorts isn't worth having a fight over or making laws. No trans kid cares about what the person next to them looks like unless they want to emulate some aspect of their appearance.They're not even really getting naked, just changing their outer garments. I think most schools now have shower stalls where the kids get a little privacy. Communal showers are a thing of the past (thankfully).

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Response to gvstn (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:10 AM

34. The trans kid may not care

But bullies will. That's my point. Hetero, cis kids get bullied. Kids who "look" or "act" gay get bullied. LGBT kids get bullied. A trans kid with a non-gender conforming body really could use some back up in the form of knowing NO ONE gets bullied in the locker room.

Communal showers are still in existence in some schools in the US. Not all school districts have the money to revamp crap that works.

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Response to REP (Reply #34)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:53 AM

37. I think we can all agree that the gym "teacher" that looks the other way

When bullying occurs is a crappy teacher. I'm just not sure of your point. I'm saying that anyone that identifies with a certain gender should be able to use that gender's lockerroom/bathroom and it is no big deal. What are you saying?

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Response to gvstn (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:17 AM

40. I'm saying that it's not the non-event you stated upthread

Adults may not care, but there's more to consider than innies and outlines when schools and kids are being discussed. Discrimination isn't the answer. Supervision is. (And male coaches aren't allowed in the girls' lockers.)

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Response to REP (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:38 AM

41. How did you know my fetish?

but there's more to consider than innies and outlines


Supervision in schools is fine and good. There should be more of it in the lockerroom. But why concentrate on that when we are trying to debate whether transgendered people should be able to use the bathroom of their identified gender? Normal people just don't care what someone is doing in the other stall. I don't think so, anyway. I never have.

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Response to REP (Reply #32)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:14 AM

35. Women do get pimples on their breasts, or at least, I did.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:47 AM

36. Thanks!

I thought they did but didn't want to fight about it.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:13 AM

39. Really! I never got pimples anywhere until I was in my 30s

And never on my boobs. Just one on my chin every 28 days.

I don't recall anyone I know ever complaining about boob pimples, either!

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Response to REP (Reply #39)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:29 PM

47. Since it was hidden, few saw them and it wasn't something to complain about but more privately embar

embarrassing. "Like, omg, I've got pimples on my boobs!!!!". Nope, more of a "oh crap" thing.

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Response to REP (Reply #39)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:40 PM

55. Lots of shame involved

Body acne plagues many women (and men) and is something they tend to keep hidden out of embarrassment. It's way more common than people think.

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #55)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:47 AM

80. I've seen/heard of backne, assne, chestne, etc - just not on the actual boob

I have a very localized case of a specific form of hidradenitis suppurtiva, a number of precancerous skin growths and several bouts of cellulitis or MRSA, so I'm very familiar with skin conditions no one wants to see or discuss. Even in the hottest weather I wear long pants to cover the scarring on my legs.

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Response to REP (Reply #80)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:51 AM

81. It happens on the boob

I know because I get it and it's an issue I have been dealing with since I was a teenager (in my 30's) now. Males wearing certain shirts and swimwear difficult. I hear you on being covered up in hot weather.

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Response to REP (Reply #32)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:04 PM

54. Hey now

Women do get acne on their chest.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:44 PM

7. I often use whichever room is not in use.

 

If it's a one holer.

I think we should be moving toward unisex restrooms.

We evolved beyond race-separated facilities, it's time we do the same with men/women/trans.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:53 PM

8. Why have separate bathrooms/facilities at all?

 

If GENDER identification is a cause for using a different facility (and it absolutely should be!), and gender identification is not binary to begin with, then why try to fit into binary facilities? It's so...arbitrary.

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Response to Shandris (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:09 PM

11. Agree 100%. n/t

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Response to Shandris (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:18 PM

15. Because 99% of the population is binary

Of which half are women, and most women are not comfortable entering a bathroom where they know men might be lurking.

MtF trans persons should use the designated female bathroom, FtM trans should use the designated male bathroom. If it's just one or two single bathrooms, use the one that's available first.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:45 PM

21. Gender neutral toilets with enclosed stalls are good.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:05 PM

29. Exactly. nt

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:52 AM

42. +infinity (nt)

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:57 PM

9. I believe the proper term is "transgender" not "transgenderED"

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm learning, too.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:58 PM

10. Thank you, it looked odd but wrote it fast.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:19 PM

16. Should appearance factor in?

For example it could be uncomfortable to many in a female public restroom or locker room if a former male who now identifies as a woman but still maintains a male appearance and wardrobe uses those facilities.

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Response to madville (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:44 PM

20. When I had a buzz cut, jeans and flannel shirt covering my curves, should i have used the men's

room? No, I don't think that'd work though it is how some people are.

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Response to madville (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:04 PM

28. Good Lord.

As was said downthread, use the stalls. Who cares who you wash your hands with?

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:53 PM

18. I thought we were going to start using Ze???

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Response to ileus (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:32 PM

86. The correct pronouns to use for a person is the pronouns that person wants you to use.

I know, some people have a really hard time with the concept that a person has a right to determine his/her/zir own identity.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:00 PM

19. Gender neutral restrooms across the board.

 

Segregation of bodily waste elimination is ridiculous.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:56 PM

23. Some people are wound too tight for public restrooms

 

It's just one more thing for the repressed to freak out about.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #23)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:32 PM

24. For your amusement...

Here's a thread made a while ago about Austin making all single bathrooms gender neutral, holy shit did some posters go completely batshit on this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=876383

These are single bathrooms, not stalls, it was and is fucking ridiculous.

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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:32 AM

31. Oh dear. Ban individual enclosed gender neutral stalls

because they are a hotbed of sin?

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:35 PM

25. just use the stalls

eom

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:02 PM

27. Exactly. nt

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:01 PM

26. No reason whatsoever.

As long as Big Brother is not watching you do your business, who cares?

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:02 AM

38. Am I a horrible person if I worry that creepy men could hang out in women's restrooms

in highway rest stops, for example, without fear of consequence, because they can always claim to "identify as a female", under the rules that most here seem to favor?

Please don't think I'm bigoted. I have no problem with genuine transgender people using the restroom they identify with. But as a husband and a father of daughters I'm keenly aware that there are creepy, predatory males out there and I am not as sanguine as some about making it easier for them to prey on women in public restrooms.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:01 AM

43. Aren't there already laws against harassment of that nature?

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Why would they bother pretending to be transgender if what they are doing is already illegal?

If they are just hang out in the restroom but not bothering anyone why should they be punished?

Personally I am for gender neutral restrooms with FULL private stalls. Then, you, as their father, could make sure no one bothers them.[/font]

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:37 PM

49. So how would you propose enforcing your "genuine" rule?

 

Who decides which transgender person is genuine? The gender police?

Loitering in public bathrooms is already a crime in many states. It doesn't matter what your gender identification is. You can't do that.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #49)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:00 PM

50. Medical documentation of surgery and/or hormone treatment could be required.

For myself, as a guy I really don't care who uses which restroom. But I'm pretty sure women are safer if biological men with no medical history of being transgender are kept out of their restrooms.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #50)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:40 PM

51. Really? So everyone who walks into a bathroom must do so with medical documentation in hand?

 

Or will the gender police "just know" which people to check?

I'm sorry, but I find your reasoning here massively offensive. Perhaps transgender people should just wear an armband that identifies them?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #50)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:46 PM

56. Do biological women need to carry papers, too?

How does one decide who is fit to enter a restroom without documentation and who isn't? Is there a certain feminity standard? What about women who - for reasons of personal style, genetics, endocrine issues, or whatever - don't fit into our cultures feminine ideal box? Plenty of hetero biological women out there who look stereotypically masculine. Would they need to provide documentation? A bloodied pad, perhaps?

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:55 PM

60. ++++++

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:52 PM

67. Perhaps the state would have an Official Genital Inspector to settle this question.

Yep, this proposal just keeps getting better and better!

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #67)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 09:57 AM

76. Maybe we can get them to register

Then they can wear special armbands as identification.

<-_---- just in case

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #50)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:54 PM

59. Who would be checking those papers and who do you think carries medical documentation of

their treatment? Are you seriously saying people who are transgender not only are required to have surgery and/or hormone treatment but also to carry documentation?

Seriously?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #50)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:51 PM

65. Oh, that wouldn't cause privacy problems.

Nosiree, everyone processing trans people's personal medical records for the purpose of granting him/her/zir a Pee License would always be on the up and up, and there would never be abuses.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #65)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:52 PM

66. Do most transgender folk keep their transition a secret? (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #66)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:54 PM

68. Yes, a lot of them do.

Tends to keep them from, you know, being assaulted and murdered, and disowned, and fired, and evicted. Not that you've shown the slightest sign of giving a shit about that.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:00 AM

77. Is that a serious question?

Are you aware of the struggles transgender people face in this country?

Somehow, I think you are.....

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #50)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:44 AM

75. Trans people aren't going to use the facilities of their "new" gender unless they are

 

presenting as that gender.

As for requiring hormones, no, that's a load of baloney. Most will be on hormones by the time they do that, but it shouldn't be a requirement for a number of reasons. Some medically can't take hormones for example and others want to try out presenting as the opposite sex first.

As for surgery, just no. How dare you force a trans person to have surgery to fit your narrative of what man and woman are - not to mention not all can have the surgery medically, some can't afford it, and some don't want it (some are happy with the parts they have and tinkering with them can make them depressed or in rare cases the surgery can be a failure, leading to death or health problems - lack of orgasm, lack of bladder or bowel control, etc).

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #75)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:53 AM

82. Exactly. A genetic male who identifies as female and tries to appear female

should have no problem using women's restrooms. Most women wouldn't feel threatened by the Caitlin Jenners of the world.

I would feel threatened however if a man who looks like a man comes into my rest stop restroom at night and I'm the only woman in there.

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Response to mainer (Reply #82)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:09 PM

89. Yes and I know you understand this so I'm only pointing it out to those who don't know

 

but if a man who looks like a man is in your restroom, 99.9999% chance he's not an mtf trans woman, he's just a creeper who happens to be a cis man.

A trans woman is not going to go into the women's bathroom until she looks female.

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #89)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:50 PM

90. Yeah, I agree. I don't care if they still have a penis.

I'm certainly not going to check. As long as they identify as female, and have made some attempt to look female, they can come into the women's restroom. I just don't want guys who look like guys coming in.

For as long as I can remember, I've had to escort my mother-in-law into public restrooms and stand guard outside her stall. She was so paranoid of being attacked that she wouldn't go into a public restroom alone. I suspect she was sexually abused sometime in her youth. If a man (who looked like a man) had come in, she would have been hysterical.

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #75)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:14 PM

87. " How dare you force a trans person to have surgery to fit your narrative of what man and woman are"

Excellent, thank you.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #50)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:54 AM

83. "may I see your papers, comrade?" nt

 

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:14 AM

73. My advice: Keep your kids away from Catholic priests and officials.

 

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:25 PM

85. Here's the thing: predators aren't going to care whether or not it's "legal".

They could just as easily dress as a maintenance worker as a woman. Statistically, your daughters are far more likely to be assaulted by someone they--and you--know. If you're going to worry about them, I'd keep an eye on neighbors, coaches, teachers, people at church, etc.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:04 AM

44. Wow 96% support!

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Faith in DU and in humanity greatly restored [/font]

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:57 AM

45. Gender neutral bathrooms would be fine with me,

but it wouldn't be okay for a lot of people. Until America grows up, I think we should build extra bathrooms: male, female, and anybody. There usually aren't enough bathrooms to accommodate people in a lot of public areas, anyway. People who don't care would have an extra option when they go out, and besides, it would get the public used to the idea of gender neutral bathrooms.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:33 PM

48. Because bigots might get their widdle feewings hurt?

 



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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #52)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:49 PM

57. +1 nt

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:51 PM

58. Because transphobes and TERFs need ....

....something to be concerned about so they can work themselves into a lather.

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #58)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:39 PM

61. TERFS=?

What does that stand for?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #61)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:44 PM

62. Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists.

In other words, feminists who are bigoted against trans people. They're the Westboro Baptist Church of feminism.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #62)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:05 AM

70. There was a post about them the other day

Wasn't there?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #70)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:15 AM

71. Missed that thread.

Being a grad student, I can't be on DU 24/7...

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #70)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:04 AM

78. I think

Someone mention them in another post that expressed "concern" over transgender folks using bathrooms.

TERF's are a lot like MRAs. It would almost be hilarious if they were so fucking scary.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #61)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:50 PM

64. It is another word for assholes.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Or more specifically trans exclusionary radical feminist.

Same thing basically.[/font]

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:48 PM

63. New poll option: Because they forgot their bathroom license.

Yes, in the other thread, a certain person is seriously proposing that in order to be able to pee in the bathroom of your gender identity, you would have to present papers to the bathroom cops. Letter from your psychologist (oh, that wouldn't cause privacy problems) would serve as documentation of gender identity.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #63)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:06 AM

79. Registration

They register with the government as transgender. The government can give them special patches or armbands (maybe bedazzled) so the rest of society can identify them.

I'm sure some people would think it's a brilliant idea.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:55 PM

69. Whatever is clever but can we put an end to piss troughs?

Nothing quite like rolling into a long trough with ice in it. Yeeesh.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:20 AM

72. Hi Uppity. This whole issue could be solved very easily.

Unfortunately, some people can only find hatred and ways to hate others. If they can only see past their hatred and get educated on the matter they may find that the State issues ID and drivers license which are used for identification. Transgender people usually have to get a court order to get the name and sex changed on that identification. They must get a judge to see that they are under treatment, whether medically, psychological, or both, in order for this to happen. Sorry to rain on people's parade that only see a way to discriminate against part of the LGBT community.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:24 AM

74. Giving the GOOD Poll an early morning bump! (nt)

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:55 AM

84. Women have been using men's restrooms for years

This fact has been witnessed by anyone who have been to multiple sporting events and concerts.

It should not be a big deal.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:35 PM

88. kick again.

 

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