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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDinner with Helen Thomas, for dmr, lpbk2713 and others who asked
At nearly 92, Helen is noticeably slowing down. She was much more frail this time than in January, and her legendary attention span is starting,slightly, but definitely, starting to shorten. She still retains her sharp wit and political positions, and is more anti-war than ever.
This was the first time my wife had joined us at Helen's favorite restaurant in Washington, Mama Ayesha's on Calvert Street. My wife loved the food, and Helen loved my wife (in those words). I complimented her on her taste, and noted that I shared similar sentiments.
My brother was driving, so drank no alcohol, and I don't do that anyway. Helen was under no such restriction, so when asked if anyone wanted a drink, she said "you bet!" and ordered a vodka tonic. My wife had white wine. I won't go through the menu f what we all had, but it was wonderful as always. As a local celebrity, Helen was seated, along with us, at "her" table, and people were interrupting us just to say hi to her, which we are used to by now.
To those DUers who asked, I DID say hi for you. She remarked, sarcastic as ever, "but I'm toxic and anti-Semitic, haven't they heard?" I reminded her that not everyone had swallowed that line, and she said, "Well maybe it's because they're the Underground." I said I'd be sure to pass that one along, and so I am.
All in all, we had a great time. Helen's house help, a wonderful team of women from Sierra Leone, where my younger daughter had worked with the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal, was not back when we brought her back home. We brought her up to her apartment, and offered to stay until they arrived, but she sent us home, thanking us profusely for taking care of her, and that her help would be home soon. I called her half an hour later to make sure, and Helen said they had called to say they were on their way. My wife, who is a social worker, said it broke her heart to leave Helen alone, but was reassured when Helen said her help would be there any minute. I know them, and they are fiercely loyal to Helen and would never leave her alone for any length of time. This time, there was a wheel chair in her apartment, something I had not seen there last time.
I remember there are a few Helen-haters on DU, and while I respect your views and reasons for them, whether or not I consider them justified, I'd appreciate not having them rehashed on this thread, if you don't mind. This thread is just not about that.
Helen is an American legend, but even legends age. She is grateful for the loyalty of her friends, and we are honored to be among them. We (my brother and I) have known her for over 40 years, and as long as she is around, we will remain her friends.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,593 posts)I'm so glad you had this lovely dinner with her and your wife and brother as well. I can see the scene!
She is a treasure, to be sure.
Thank you for letting us be part of your evening!
KoKo
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More pictures - Roses for Helen Thomas
What a thrill it was to meet Helen Thomas today. She was so gracious. She was visbly moved when she walked in the room and saw the roses.
As you know a few days ago DUer Helderheid posted a suggestion that we send roses to Helen Thomas to show our appreciation for her gutsy questioning of the President last week. The suggestion soon became action and dozens of DUers opened their hearts (and wallets/purses), and the money started rolling in. Before she knew it she had enough money to buy 100 dozen roses for Helen Thomas! Be sure to give a standing O to Helderheid - she worked her butt off to make this happen!
The roses were delivered to a conference room near her office. Six volunteers: Rainer, Paula, Malissa (DUer MiniMe), Chris, Neal, and Skip (GOPFighter) spent the afternoon cutting and arrainging them in vases (A big THANK YOU goes to Kristen Collie, Hearst Bureau Manager, who made sure we had everything we needed!).
Rainer has worked in a florist shop and did a great job showing us how to trin, cut and arrainge the flowers.
The highlight of the day came at 6:15 when Kristen led Helen into the conference room filled with roses. Helen couldn't beleive it and she kept saying "Thank You, Thank You" and we kept saying "No, Thank YOU!" Then to our delight, Helen stayed and talked to us for almost an hour (talking to Helen is like talking to another DUer. She knows all the issues we discuss here and feels the same as we do. Her heart goes out to all those who have been killed - it really bothers her. I love that woman!
Here are a few pictures...
Malissa (MiniMe), Rainer, and Paula
More at......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x799674
AND THEN THERE'S THIS!
Roses for Helen
Posted: March 31, 2006 10:34 PM
Al Eisele / Editor at Large of "The Hill"
The roses kept coming - and coming - and coming - to the Hearst Newspapers office in downtown Washington Thursday, until they filled a large conference room to overflowing.
By the time the Federal Express delivery was complete, there were a hundred and eight dozen roses, nearly 1,300 in every color. they were the result of an email campaign to show support for Hearst columnist Helen Thomas after she grilled President Bush about his Iraq policy at last week's White House news conference.
The campaign was the brainchild of Clarity Sanderson, a 31-year-old Democratic activist from Sandy, Utah, a suburb of Salt Lake City, who was motivated by the sharp exchange between Thomas and Bush, and an op-ed article Thomas wrote about the exchange in the Salt Lake Tribune.
"Those two things set me off," Sanderson said in a telephone interview Friday.
Sanderson, a work-at-home web designer and mother of two who is co-chair of the Utah Democratic Progressive Caucus, said she saw a note on the website , suggesting that people email Thomas to thank her for asking Bush "the questions all Americans want answered about Iraq."
"I thought, 'Let's take it a step farther," she said, and sent an email asking people to donate to her PayPal account to send roses to Thomas.
That was last Friday and by Monday, she'd received more than $2,200. She ordered the roses and a hundred glass vases from an on-line floral service in San Francisco, Organic Bouquet, and they were delivered on Thursday.
Thomas, the 85-year-old veteran White House journalist whose outspoken criticism of the Bush administration has drawn much hate mail from Bush supporters in recent years, said Friday she was "overwhelmed" by the avalanche of roses.
"It sure beats the brickbats," she said, referring to hundreds of vitriolic emails she's received since last week's encounter with Bush. "Some of them attack you ad hominem and call you a traitor and ask if you're ever been to Iraq," she said. "I think it's the frustration of those who are angry with me and take it out in email. I think there should be a logical debate, but maybe that's not possible during an on-going war."
Thomas shared her roses with Hearst bureau chief Charles Lewis and other colleagues, but sent the bulk of them to wounded military personnel at Walter Reed Army Hospital.
Asked about Bush's response to her pointed question about his Iraq policy, she said, "He could not answer my question. He kept referring to Afghanistan. He never articulated the reasons we're in Iraq. I don't think there's any justification for an unprovoked war against somebody who did nothing against us."
Thomas had received hundreds of supportive email by Friday afternoon, bearing such messages as, "O-M-G...I LOVE THAT LADY!", "We all owe her so much more than roses", "Her little finger has more class than George Bush does", and "Helen Thomas kick ass!"
Sanderson said she's never spoken with Thomas, but received an email from her via Hearst office manager Kristen Collie, who wrote that "Helen asked me to send you the following note:
"Blessed are the peacemakers. The bounty of beautiful roses from such wonderful people has lifted my heart and will remain in my memory for the rest of my life. Thank you for caring that others may live."
MORE at.........
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-eisele/roses-for-helen_b_18270.html
prairierose
(2,145 posts)up to date with Helen news. I have been a fan of hers for many years and it is so nice to hear little tidbits about her occasionally from you. I am glad that she has such loyal friends who keep in touch and take her to dinner. And it is so nice of you to share some of your evening with her, with us. Thank you again.
I appreciate the update and your attention to detail.
RZM
(8,556 posts)That implies that people who took issue with them were being tricked or otherwise mislead. That is most certainly not the case, at least not for me. She made those comments and has stood by them. It's entirely fair to take issue with them and disingenuous to imply that doing so represents anything other than an individual appraisal of her public remarks about Israel and the American Jewish community.
No need to respond if you don't wish to do so. I'm not trying to derail your thread or start an argument. But I felt that it was entirely fair to comment on your characterization of the response to her remarks, which I feel is inaccurate (or at least it is in my case). And please note that I did not comment on the remarks themselves, but restricted my post to your characterization of their reception.
DFW
(54,360 posts)But as for her being anti-Semitic (as if an Arab could be anti-Semitic, seeing as how Arabs are as much a Semitic people as Jews), one of her best friends, a Jewish journalist in Washington for fifty years, who happened to be my father, would have disagreed with you mightily. What she thinks of Israeli foreign policy is another matter entirely, and we have disagreements there even though I don't consider myself Jewish. But anti-Semitic? I stand by my statement--that one is a line.
My wife, who is from Germany, despised what our country did in Iraq, and did not hold back on her comments on the Cheney (dba Bush Lite) administration, nor Reagan before him. But she has many wonderful friends in America, always enjoys her time here, and is in no way anti-American (hey, she has stayed with me for 38 years--how's THAT for a sacrifice?).
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bigtree
(85,989 posts)thanks so much for this, DFW.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Who dared speak truth to power when gwb was in office, and we recall how the shrub was such a little arrogant coward that he had her traditional position in the White House press corps revoked, little lord pissypants knew she was smarter than he was, and he could not stand it.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I'm so glad to see this thread. Thank you for sharing. Helen's wealth of experience is so valuable. Time just keeps moving on. Sometimes we'd be better served if it didn't.
lpbk2713
(42,754 posts)It sounds like a lovely evening well spent. Helen is a national treasure and she showed a
lot of class putting up with all the guff she was subjected to during the BushCo years.
Lugnut
(9,791 posts)I look forward to your updates on Ms Thomas. I'm glad to hear that she is well although frail. It thrills me to hear that she's able to go out for dinner and enjoy a vodka tonic.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Mrs. Thomas was always such a great reporter/journalist. She, like Dan Rather, were taken down by the corporate masters who rule the alleged "liberal media." As long as corporations like GE own the TV stations and the news papers the myth of a liberal media is just that - a myth.
Vidar
(18,335 posts)dmr
(28,347 posts)I wish I could've been there with you.
When I was girl (I turned 60 last week), my dad on several occasions pointed Helen out to me. Someone who against incredible odds was making it in a man's world, had her own seat in the White House, and was interviewing the President! Dad was real impressed by that. I also remember my dad talking about Helen and Nikita Khrushchev, but I don't remember what it was about.
It's sad to think about that wheel chair, but it's a mobility device that keeps her from the unpleasantness of falling & breaking bones.
Again, thanks for the update, & I hope you get to dine with her again soon.
Edit: I goofed & this ended up being posted 3 times. The two self-deletes below are the duplicates. Sorry about that.
No way you just turned 60.
Dang, if you did then we must have had the most geriatric hot tub in history!
Here's to us oldsters!
DFW
(54,360 posts)I turned 60 in March, and my wife turns sixty in June. To Helen, of course, we are just youngsters.
dmr
(28,347 posts)DFW
(54,360 posts)dmr
(28,347 posts)It's got alcohol in it!
Beacool
(30,247 posts)How are you, how's the pooch?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Hi there!
All's well, and Ginny is still fine and keeping my elderly parents, also doing fine, company.
And you?
Hanging on. Lucky enough to still have a job, at least for now. No one can be sure about the future. This Saturday I'm going to Puerto Rico for a week. I've never been there so I'm looking forward to the trip. It'll be nice to relax for a few days.
I'm glad that your parents, Ginny and you are all doing well.
Hugs!!!
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Raine
(30,540 posts)Helen is much loved by many of us, please let her know how much love there is for her.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)My mom is ten years younger and seems more frail all the time. She's feisty and independent like Helen so the trick is to be there, to be companionable and yet, not to be in the way. You seem to have it down exactly.
DFW
(54,360 posts)At 92 (this August), Helen is the oldest, but the other three, at least as well-known as Helen and mostly more so, are not far behind. One of them turns 90 this December, and still goes into his office every day and creates fantasy stories and finds time to take cameo roles in films with characters he created over half a century ago. One is in his late 80s and starred in a many films and TV shows, played music in folk festivals with Bob Dylan and had a role playing opposite Humphrey Bogart in one of Bogie's most famous films. He still tours in theater troupes. The youngest of the bunch is famous in her own right, but had a harrowing childhood, and was a sniper against the British in the Israeli war of independence. She also still works full-time, traveling around the world giving lectures in her field and writing books.
Old is not out by ANY definition.
How lucky you are to have a friendship with these fascinating people.
Cher
DFW
(54,360 posts)The only guy that still blows me away every time is POTUS42. The rest of them, creative and famous as they may be, are now just talented friends who happen to have had extraordinary lives.
hlthe2b
(102,231 posts)and no, I don't buy the 'other' ... If I saw her, I'd merely comment on how President Carter has likewise been painted with that same label.
I'm so happy she has these caring friends surrounding her. Thank you, DFW, for this update.
VenusRising
(11,252 posts)I always love to read about your time with Helen. It makes me smile.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)She will always be remembered as the only WH journalist who dared to question Bush during those horrible years when everyone else remained silent. I still miss seeing here there.
She has a good sense of humor, tell her that telling the truth has a way of making a lot of people toxic these days, but she's not alone in that. I will never forgive that liar, Ari Fleischer for what he did to her.
Anyhow, so glad to hear she is doing well and still paying attention to what is going on in the world. And I hope she knows how many people respect her greatly.
Sending her love and thanks for all she has done for this country. I will always remember too, how when all that happened before she left, seeing Veterans comments about her. They loved her and were so defensive of her, never forgetting how much she fought for them.
Thanks again for keeping us up to date on how she is doing.
unc70
(6,110 posts)She was interviewed I think about when women (two of them) first attended the dinner 50 years ago!
I kept meaning to email you then. Thanks for the update. Let her know many DUers care.
bananas
(27,509 posts)malaise
(268,949 posts)I was wondering about Helen last week.
midnight
(26,624 posts)Thanks for the update.
She is a great woman. I miss her voice.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)they are asses
DFW
(54,360 posts)They just narrowly focus on one thing, interpret it in a way to make come out to suit a certain point of view
that is emotional and therefore open to emotional argument. I try to avoid it, but depending on your background,
I understand that that isn't always an option. These are often people that I agree with on everything else, so
I try not to dismiss them out of hand just because of this. Helen being a friend makes it difficult, but not
everyone knows her personally, and it would be foolish of me to judge everyone as if they did, and still came
up with the same conclusion.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but once emotion comes into a discussion, all logic goes out the window.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Thank you for letting her know that she is missed from the press conferences and the Washington press corps and that we do not ascribe to the assassination of her charater and know lies when we encounter them.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)lucky you, I would love to have a sit down chat with Helen - she sounds like a fun person.
DFW
(54,360 posts)The one to have been with us at was two years ago when I arranged a lunch with just my brother, Helen, me and Howard Dean. Now THAT was one hell of a conversation-packed meal!
Paka
(2,760 posts)She's one tough and wonderful lady.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)This wonderful woman's life.
Please let her know that many of us think of her as a heroine for standing up to Georgie Porgie when no one else would.
Sent a PM as well.
DFW
(54,360 posts)dembotoz
(16,799 posts)win a dinner at the table you just enjoyed--would have my charge card out for a chance to win.
and i am not an obama hater or a troll or any such......
DFW
(54,360 posts)Much to her credit!
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)Thank you for the update. I still miss her voice on the national scene.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Thanks for sharing.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)I've always been one of her admirers, so I was especially impressed when she acknowledged an e-mail I had sent her, telling her how much I enjoyed her book, "Front Row at the White House".
It must be wonderful to know her personally.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I'm going to go back to DU-2 Archives to try to find the photo of Helen with her Roomful of DU Roses!
THOSE WERE THE DAYS...not like this stuff we are living through now. I'll get back and post, if I can find.
DU THREAD about ORGANIZING THE ROSES FOR HELEN...HERE at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x726885
KoKo
(84,711 posts)KoKo
55. Democratic Underground Members sent Helen a Roomful of Flowers..see Here:
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More pictures - Roses for Helen Thomas
What a thrill it was to meet Helen Thomas today. She was so gracious. She was visbly moved when she walked in the room and saw the roses.
As you know a few days ago DUer Helderheid posted a suggestion that we send roses to Helen Thomas to show our appreciation for her gutsy questioning of the President last week. The suggestion soon became action and dozens of DUers opened their hearts (and wallets/purses), and the money started rolling in. Before she knew it she had enough money to buy 100 dozen roses for Helen Thomas! Be sure to give a standing O to Helderheid - she worked her butt off to make this happen!
The roses were delivered to a conference room near her office. Six volunteers: Rainer, Paula, Malissa (DUer MiniMe), Chris, Neal, and Skip (GOPFighter) spent the afternoon cutting and arrainging them in vases (A big THANK YOU goes to Kristen Collie, Hearst Bureau Manager, who made sure we had everything we needed!).
Rainer has worked in a florist shop and did a great job showing us how to trin, cut and arrainge the flowers.
The highlight of the day came at 6:15 when Kristen led Helen into the conference room filled with roses. Helen couldn't beleive it and she kept saying "Thank You, Thank You" and we kept saying "No, Thank YOU!" Then to our delight, Helen stayed and talked to us for almost an hour (talking to Helen is like talking to another DUer. She knows all the issues we discuss here and feels the same as we do. Her heart goes out to all those who have been killed - it really bothers her. I love that woman!
Here are a few pictures...
Malissa (MiniMe), Rainer, and Paula
More at......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x799674
AND THEN THERE'S THIS!
Roses for Helen
Posted: March 31, 2006 10:34 PM
Al Eisele / Editor at Large of "The Hill"
The roses kept coming - and coming - and coming - to the Hearst Newspapers office in downtown Washington Thursday, until they filled a large conference room to overflowing.
By the time the Federal Express delivery was complete, there were a hundred and eight dozen roses, nearly 1,300 in every color. they were the result of an email campaign to show support for Hearst columnist Helen Thomas after she grilled President Bush about his Iraq policy at last week's White House news conference.
The campaign was the brainchild of Clarity Sanderson, a 31-year-old Democratic activist from Sandy, Utah, a suburb of Salt Lake City, who was motivated by the sharp exchange between Thomas and Bush, and an op-ed article Thomas wrote about the exchange in the Salt Lake Tribune.
"Those two things set me off," Sanderson said in a telephone interview Friday.
Sanderson, a work-at-home web designer and mother of two who is co-chair of the Utah Democratic Progressive Caucus, said she saw a note on the website , suggesting that people email Thomas to thank her for asking Bush "the questions all Americans want answered about Iraq."
"I thought, 'Let's take it a step farther," she said, and sent an email asking people to donate to her PayPal account to send roses to Thomas.
That was last Friday and by Monday, she'd received more than $2,200. She ordered the roses and a hundred glass vases from an on-line floral service in San Francisco, Organic Bouquet, and they were delivered on Thursday.
Thomas, the 85-year-old veteran White House journalist whose outspoken criticism of the Bush administration has drawn much hate mail from Bush supporters in recent years, said Friday she was "overwhelmed" by the avalanche of roses.
"It sure beats the brickbats," she said, referring to hundreds of vitriolic emails she's received since last week's encounter with Bush. "Some of them attack you ad hominem and call you a traitor and ask if you're ever been to Iraq," she said. "I think it's the frustration of those who are angry with me and take it out in email. I think there should be a logical debate, but maybe that's not possible during an on-going war."
Thomas shared her roses with Hearst bureau chief Charles Lewis and other colleagues, but sent the bulk of them to wounded military personnel at Walter Reed Army Hospital.
Asked about Bush's response to her pointed question about his Iraq policy, she said, "He could not answer my question. He kept referring to Afghanistan. He never articulated the reasons we're in Iraq. I don't think there's any justification for an unprovoked war against somebody who did nothing against us."
Thomas had received hundreds of supportive email by Friday afternoon, bearing such messages as, "O-M-G...I LOVE THAT LADY!", "We all owe her so much more than roses", "Her little finger has more class than George Bush does", and "Helen Thomas kick ass!"
Sanderson said she's never spoken wit
freshwest
(53,661 posts)HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)and I've never met her and likely never will. I'm just happy to share a birthday anniversary with her, along with President Obama.
blaze
(6,359 posts)I miss seeing her at the White House.... I would LOVE to hear the questions she might have for our President. I'm quite sure they would make me squirm.
My mom, now 86, has a walker... not quite to a wheelchair yet. I suspect that was as unsettling for you as the walker has been for me.
I admire Ms Thomas almost as much as I do my Mom.
Thanks for keeping us posting.
Well wishes to Helen.
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)She's a role model for the ages.
klook
(12,154 posts)Thanks for letting us vicariously experience your evening with the fabulous Ms. Thomas!
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)a loving friend in you. You're both lucky.
DFW
(54,360 posts)How often do you get to chat with people who engaged in small talk with JFK, after all? After we lost Ted Sorensen, she's the last one I know, anyway.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)there are very few left of her generation of journalists who were never afraid to write what they perceived was the truth. she pointed out many a time that the emperors indeed had no clothes on.
and in the end she wrote a truth so unpopular that they had to silence her.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)Still feel the way I felt when we contributed for the roses:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=733987&mesg_id=734183
Thank you so much for giving us this opportunity to thank Helen for persisting in pursuing the truth. How difficult that must have been, particularly as she was moved to the back of the room, ignored, then excoriated in an attempt to break her spirit and get her to stop asking the tough questions. When she's in the room questioning, I always feel she carries the people's voice.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Did she ever retract or apologize for that claim?
countryjake
(8,554 posts)and it is really nice to hear that Ms. Thomas still retains much of her steely wit. I sure would have enjoyed being a mouse at that dinner table, to listen in on what all she had to say!
You are very gracious to post this account of your evening with her for us.
Cass
(2,600 posts)few others did when she questioned Bush at the press conferences. You are a very lucky man to have the pleasure of knowing her personally.
DFW
(54,360 posts)He came to Washington, green from a small town newspaper in upstate New York. It was a much
smaller and tighter community then. He used to take me up to the Senate Press Gallery when I was
little. No security, no nothing, just walk right in and hang with Senators with names like Humphrey,
Dirksen, Kennedy, Javits, Mondale--I was 6 years old, how was I to know how important these guys
were? Helen was one of the few women in my father's generation of DC print journalists, so she
stood out. Although I didn't appreciate her significance at age 6, I sure did later on!
And you are right about her standing up to Bush--NO one else had her guts then: a small rock
standing firm against the tide rushing to believe every lie Cheney spewed out through Bush's
mouth.