The busboy who cradled a dying RFK has finally stepped out of the past

Not surprising he was made CIA Director to destroy evidence during Congressional inquiries in '75 after being Chairman of the Republican Party. I myself have no doubt that Bush Sr was involved with this assassination. He had been quoted many times saying," You think the Kennedy boys were big...wait till you see what my boys are gonna do." Bush Sr also is the only mam on earth who claimed he didn't remember where he was when hearing JFK was killed.

...he was being interviewed and he said "when I saw the first plane hit I thought it was a bad pilot, and then when I saw the second plane hit...." (I may not have the exact quote)

The problem is that there wasn't a video or a photograph of the first plane hitting the WTC until a day or two later.

How did he "see" the first plane hit? He screwed up because he knew it was going to happen.

What I see as the bigger problem are our own flat-earth, gravity denying types here in our own ranks that put themselves above everyone. Because their belief systems become uncomfortable and strained then we all have to be relegated to free speech, speculation discussion zones? Because they like the way they have organized their views and are too lazy to change them based on evidence? They are allowed to "speculate" all day about Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump but the Big Lies they will not touch? Our entire world and view was forced to change because these criminals in high places allowed 911 to happen and evidently facilitated it. Now we have all our emails and texts read so any prominent attorney, politician, general, businessman etc can have them leveraged against them for some kind of gain, people's GPS movements are tracked to put the machinery of the Drug War in overdrive with cars pulled over on every highway in every corner of the country to fleece the public and political protests can be put down with militarized police when we don't like what the oligarchy is doing. Sometimes I feel like we are living in Idiocracy. If you think 911 wasn't coordinated to happen by people other than Muslim terrorists then frankly I would say you're a fool. Thank you George for observing the obvious and not being a scared little fool for pointing it out. I agree with you 1000000%!!!!

Come and get me...again.

These are the same people who cowardly allowed Bush and Cheney to get away with what they did out of fear of being labeled. The official story is a fairy tale as Sen Graham and Sen Cleland stated numerous times...a whitewashed fraud they said. Of course people accept that Bush and Cheney lied outright about WMD in Iraq and hundreds of thousands of lives didn't mean a thing to them. Dead children everywhere and they loved it. Is it really a stretch to think they wouldn't let American lives get sacrificed on US soil for their own political and economic gain? I think we all know psychopaths exists in this world and being rich and powerful doesn't make you immune so much as it enforces it.

And marry into your family and give you lots of healthy grandchildren.

I know that many people I spoke to in the NJ suburbs, spoke of hearing and seeing on TV or in a few cases across the Hudson, the first plane hitting, and saying that only when they hear (or saw) the second plane hit did they realize that it was a terrorist attack. In reality, they did not see the plane hit, they did see the aftermath of that plane before the second hit, but language - especially in such times - loses its preciseness.

At the time I lived in a NJ suburb, which lost people that day. One daughter described how at her (private) school, they let the forbidden cell phones come out and quietly asked the kids if they could share their phones with any kids that did not have them. These were kids in many cases calling NYC to make sure that their mother or father - or both were safe. (Almost anyone working in the wall street area went thru the Path station at the bottom of the Twin Towers. (My other two daughters were home sick with a virus)

I had worked in a small building in the Trade Center about 25 years earlier near when they first opened. It was amazing that I could see clear as anything in my mind exactly the way things looked from the Path Station past news and danish stores leading to the building I had not seen or thought of for 25 years. A lot of that HAD to be completely made up. It was also not a view of those in the most danger, but - in fact - those in the Trade Center in the least danger.

I also remember turning off the TV early in the morning not wanting it on when the girls woke up. It was clear that the images were already engraved in the minds of almost anyone who saw them. I remember going to the backyard and being stunned by the how quiet everything was. I remember the startling beautiful crisp Fall day where everything looked the same -- yet we knew nothing was the same.

...of the actual crash. The only one that surface was from the French film crew that was filming up in the Village and the cameraman turned his camera toward the building as the plane hit. But that wasn't released until a day or two later.

You're correct about the weather that day - maybe the most perfectly dry sunny day I've ever seen. And it was bizarre driving down an interstate later in the week and not seeing a single airplane in the sky.

The point I was making is that I heard people make the same mistake. What they saw was the aftermath, not the hit. There main point was when they knew it was not a deadly accident -- and that was when the second plane hit. Here. I am talking about neighbors and others - at a point near the event - at meetings in the town and surrounding areas where people were trying to deal with what had happened.

This was a very severe example of how bad people really are as first hand (or even first hand via tv) witnesses. Many thought they saw things they really didn't.

For me, the repeating eeriest thing was that a major road out of my area of town to almost anywhere included a steep hill from which you could see the Twin Towers in the far distance on a clear day. For weeks, we saw smoke emanating from there -- leading to some of the brightest sunsets ever as light reflected on all the dust put into the air.

SECOND plane that we saw. We knew we didn't see the first plane because the footage only showed the aftermath after the first plane hit the building. In fact, I don't really know how anyone could have thought that the second plane was the first to hit the WTC considering how shocked the reporters were when they realized that what they were already reporting on, was now happening AGAIN.

Bush is either completely stupid, didn't have advisers telling him what was going on, or he saw it somewhere else.

No one I know thought that they had seen the first plane. Maybe we are all just smarter than Bush.

times that jerk screwed up what he was trying to say—and looked like an idiot in the process.
Can't stand the man, but I'm not 100% sold on the conspiracy theories. I am starting to lean that way, but not yet a believer.

who confidently asserted it was a small aircraft of some size, despite the fact that the airplane-shaped hole it produced was clearly that of a large commercial jet of some kind.

And there are those who also confidently assert that the second WTC hit and the Pentagon hit were by missiles, even though the first was caught by many cameras, the second by at least one video camera, and many thousands of people watched the actual airplanes strike.

People don't always recognize what they see. They also mis-remember things. Sometimes they even lie.

But I know for sure they had advance knowledge and deliberately ignored it.

Let it happen on purpose,almost certainly on the order of Satan's favorite son.

I saw the second plane hit live on TV (local news) as did many others. The news anchors didn't notice it for an hour and then they played it over and over. Just so you know.

Octafish has some eye-opening info on the JFK/RFK assassinations. Check out his posts here on DU.
It is all of a piece, and it is no accident that the Bushes gained power and kept it. GHW controlled Reagan, and all of the goons that were Nixon's underlings (http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?nixon_and_watergate_tmln_other=nixon_and_watergate_tmln_rumsfeld__cheney__and_ford_neocons&timeline=nixon_and_watergate_tmln) didn't go to prison because Ford pardoned them. He was the only unelected president, and interestingly, sat on the Warren Commission.
Although he denies it, GHW was in the CIA at the time of JFK's assassination and became chief under Ford. The Nixon goons show up again under W to start the Iraq war and to reap the spoils of Halliburton et al.
We underwent a coup with JFK's assassination, and we are still living under those who overthrew our government 52 years ago

Just like the Bush family's friendships with Hinkley's family and the bin Ladens.

I'm sure everyone can find such connections in their own lives.

(in case it's not obvious)

You can watch the ABC news report of Neil Bush meeting Hinkleys father the day before the '81 attempted assassination. Think Bush Sr scared Reagan?

Thanks Billhicks76, I just wanted to support your statement. The truth will come totally out some day!

We talk about milestones in our evolution, the death of the Kennedy brothers, MLK and other 'once in a century' leaders -assassinated for political reasons with little to no consequences.

We have never been the same since imo.

And none of them were "accidents."

Malcolm X should probebly be on that list as well.

I don't weep just for the Kennedy family, but for all of us.

Just been around for the unravelling. Wish we lived in a world where this man had lived.

Thanks for posting.

to that unimaginable night (It was my sister's birthday).

to get past the emotional toll of Bobby's assassination, but infinitely easier than for the young man beside him. I am glad he has found a measure of peace at last. It was never his cross to carry.

Just like it was in 1968.

. . .and even now it still hurts.

it changed that dreadful night, and not for the better.

I am so glad that this brave soul found peace. to think he was carrying guilt for so long-how horrible.

Bobby had not been assassinated.
It was a sad moment for me, even at the very young age of 13.

I was in high school then. He was a good man. A determined man.

I don't know the right descriptive word(s) to use, but 1968 was something else.

I am thinking of going. I was too young to recall the momentous events
Of that year.

http://www.bowers.org/index.php/exhibitions/upcoming-exhibitions/40-exhibitions/current-exhibitions/403-the-1968-exhibit

got my first job, etc. It was something else (as they used to say)... It looks like a very worthwhile exhibit. I can't see it I'm on the Atlantic side.

I was the only liberal in a world of, well, it was 1968 in Mississippi. I thought the world was going to just end.

you are!

And now I think back, wondering what a different world we could have had...

everything we do, whether love, hate, or somewhere in between, has ripples. For him I am glad that love won out.

I'm glad he is doing better.

but I remember clearly the stunned silence in my home, the horror and grief overwhelming the adults who understood, and the tv going on and on.

It was surreal.

I still have that button somewhere.

K&R!

OS

She received a personally signed letter from him congratulating her for becoming an American and saying how important that was.

We still have it.

Still has his JFK letter on White House stationary with a signature. He was in grade school at the time.

to see Bobby Kennedy speak at the Medford courthouse. "Pay attention Kitten, this man is going to change the world."

I wish peace of mind and heart for this lovely man, Juan Romero... and I know he knows, there are many who still cry.

From what I understand, Cesar was standing directly behind the Senator, and had pulled his revolver out. Some believe he fired the fatal shot, as Sirhan was in front of Bobby. Coroner Thomas Noguchi reported RFK was shot from very close range, based on the powder burns, on the back of his head.

The work of the late Philip H. Melanson is of historic proportion.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2762695&mesg_id=2765757

As usual, you understand perfectly correctly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=110062

Thank you for the kind words, my Friend.

Octafish, William Pepper who won a case for the King Family that proved that Martin Luther King died due to a conspiracy, also filed a like suit in California recently, that was dismissed, incorrectly, I think, as being without merit. My hope is that he will re-file...

Good point, 1norcal. In fact it looked like a new trial was going to be granted a few years ago based on the acoustic evidence that proved there was more than 1 gun fired in the Ambassador Hotel pantry that day. Unfortunately the momentum from that acoustic evidence and new witnesses seems to have waned.



Now let's go back about 20 years .. During the only real investigation and trial in the RFK case Scott Enyart's legal team was able to share some research with Larry Teeter (Sirhan's attorney before William Pepper) in his defense of Sirhan. Unfortunately Larry Teeter died before he could do anything with that information. Hopefully William Pepper will be able to use it if he ever gets a re-trial.

Here's some background on the Scott Enyart case from DUer John Simkin:

A few more angles to that Scott Enyart case ..

• Court TV was all set to report on and broadcast that case but the plug was pulled just before the trial started.

• LA Coroner Thomas Noguchi testified for the first time in the Enyart case. The man that could have place right wing nutjob Thane Eugene Cesar in the perfect position to get off the fatal shot (btw Thane Cesar never testified either) was never called to testify in the original trial.

I will follow all of the links, thanks.

So this movie morphed from 'Selma' to 'Orders to Kill' back to 'Selma' again. When it morphed back to Selma it was minus Hugh Jackman. Obviously the movie Selma turned out great but it would have been nice to see Orders to Kill too.

James Bond



Still would rather see him play Pepper, William Pepper

School was out, and I was watching cartoons when a news story came on. All I really remember was my mother crying and I didn't understand why. I had no idea who RFK was.

A couple of years ago I asked Mama if the Kennedys being Catholic ever bothered her, and she said no, her father had always told his children that the family were good Democrats and that was all that mattered.

and watching it on live T.V. Stunned after the MLK death the same year and his brother 5 years earlier doesn't begin to describe the impact. How much of a different world this would have been had he lived. He would have been president and Nixon and Kissinger would have never happened.

at Good Sam where RFK was taken after he was shot.

I still get shivers remembering her telling the story of that night.

Made him famous

I wasn't born for 9 years after the photo, but I grew up in an Irish family that loves the Kennedys.

That picture made me bawl.

If they kill Bernie, we will take to the streets. We will drag them from their high perches and destroy all that is theirs. No more murder of leaders of light. No more. We are much wiser and angier now. We will not buy their lies. If they kill, their empire will crash and burn.

and what we lost:

>>"He made me feel like a regular citizen," Romero says of the night he delivered room service to Kennedy. "He made me feel like a human being. He didn't look at my color, he didn't look at my position ... and like I tell everybody, he shook my hand. I didn't ask him."

I remember my mom coming into my room crying. I had gone to bed happy, right after the election was called for Bobby. Oh man.

My mom and dad were shocked and in disbelieve and I remember that I was thinking that it must not be a coincidence but a conspiracy because they had assassinated JFK too. Someone was after the Kennedy's and now the truth is starting to unfold.

Bastards, the lot of them that planned and executed two Kennedy brothers.

The boy could not help him but he showed heart. Good for him.

Why was no one else cradling him? Thanks to this young man.

about Bobby getting killed. My mom's was not so much a premonition as it was a recognition that the Today Show was foreshadowing some horrible news.

The morning after RFK was shot we turned on the Today Show like every morning before school (3rd grade). That morning they mentioned something about breaking news regarding RFK in Los Angeles and immediately my mom asked me if he had been killed? I told her that they just mentioned 'breaking news' nothing specific. Of course it turned out that she had guessed where they were going. As did author Romain Gary (a month earlier)...

The FBI vs. Jean Seberg - TIME



Charles Guggenheim film commemorates RFK @ 1968 DNC

Thanks for sharing that, MinM, we may get some closure yet...

Sirhan Sirhan was in FRONT of RFK, who died from a shot to the BACK of the head.
It shows, doesn't it?

It does!