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Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:33 AM

Sheriff's deputy killed in shooting at gas station

HARRIS COUNTY, Texas -

The Harris County Sheriff's Office is investigating after a sheriff's deputy was fatally shot while on duty Friday at a Chevron gas station.

Sources told KPRC 2 that the officer was shot while pumping gas into his patrol car. Authorities said he was shot multiple times in the back and then shot multiple times once he was on the ground. Investigators said there is no known motive as this time and the shooter said nothing to the deputy before opening fire.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/hcso-deputy-killed-after-shooting-at-gas-station/34983706

Anyone been keeping track of how many cops are being shot this year?
Seems like quite a few.

In this case, the deputy was assassinated, from the looks of it.

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dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 OP
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Historic NY Aug 2015 #3
Supersedeas Aug 2015 #28
GGJohn Aug 2015 #4
Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #78
jtuck004 Aug 2015 #5
Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #79
brer cat Aug 2015 #6
Beaverhausen Aug 2015 #7
romanic Aug 2015 #8
awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #9
Ace Rothstein Aug 2015 #25
Supersedeas Aug 2015 #29
XemaSab Aug 2015 #30
Name removed Aug 2015 #43
Joe the Revelator Aug 2015 #48
Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #85
Dwayne Hicks Aug 2015 #10
sarisataka Aug 2015 #11
Dwayne Hicks Aug 2015 #12
romanic Aug 2015 #14
Logical Aug 2015 #15
V0ltairesGh0st Aug 2015 #17
alphafemale Aug 2015 #19
Lulu Belle Aug 2015 #21
alphafemale Aug 2015 #26
Lulu Belle Aug 2015 #41
Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #22
Logical Aug 2015 #27
Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #31
LanternWaste Aug 2015 #120
branford Aug 2015 #34
Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2015 #38
treestar Aug 2015 #65
Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2015 #66
treestar Aug 2015 #73
Rex Aug 2015 #71
Lulu Belle Aug 2015 #42
Joe the Revelator Aug 2015 #46
LanternWaste Aug 2015 #119
Taitertots Aug 2015 #13
V0ltairesGh0st Aug 2015 #16
Joe the Revelator Aug 2015 #45
V0ltairesGh0st Aug 2015 #64
mythology Aug 2015 #107
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DawgHouse Aug 2015 #18
ScreamingMeemie Aug 2015 #33
DawgHouse Aug 2015 #35
ScreamingMeemie Aug 2015 #36
DawgHouse Aug 2015 #37
ScreamingMeemie Aug 2015 #40
avebury Aug 2015 #20
Glassunion Aug 2015 #23
dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #24
DustyJoe Aug 2015 #32
Ace Rothstein Aug 2015 #39
branford Aug 2015 #44
Archae Aug 2015 #52
amee Sep 2015 #123
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dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #47
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dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #49
guillaumeb Aug 2015 #51
Celebration Aug 2015 #53
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GGJohn Aug 2015 #69
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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:58 AM

1. That's horrible.

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Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:01 AM

2. ...

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:20 PM

28. thank you for the link

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:17 AM

4. Yep, this was an out and out assassination.

I hope they catch this waste of O2 quickly before the shooter possibly strikes again.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:01 PM

78. They arrested someone around 2:30 am, blastic testing of the gun found in the home matched.

There was video from the store which probably provided good details. Sad, had two young sons.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:37 AM

5. I wonder if the shooter knew him? That's a lot, up close, like it was personal or the person

 

was on a mission. Or just really, really angry.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:03 PM

79. The deputy was shot in the back of the head first.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:49 AM

6. It doesn't sound like a random shooting.

I am sorry for his wife and children. So sad.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:11 AM

7. That's fucked up

I really hope they get the shooter.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:21 AM

8. That does not sound like a random shooting.

I really hope this isn't an assassination of a cop, I really don't. RIP Sir.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:05 AM

9. Take the number of cops killed

 

and multiply that by 500, and maybe that will come close to the number of black men killed by Cops this year.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:32 AM

25. There have been 80+ cops killed so far this year.

Are you under the impression that there have been 40,000 black men killed by cops so far this year?

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:21 PM

29. this is the mentality that Minister Farrakan highlights

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:30 PM

30. As of July 1, there had been 155 black men killed by the cops

Nice try at estimating, though.

You were really close.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:02 PM

48. What is your point?

 

Are you saying that this cop deserved to die to avenge deaths he had nothing to do with? Is our plan now to keep score?

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:25 PM

85. And in how many of those cases were the cops unjustified in using force?

 

Far more of them than there should be? Sure...the #blm movement exists for a damn good reason.

But I have no doubt a good many were cops protecting themselves from violent assault. I want cops to be far less quick on the trigger around black people, but there will always be cases in which the police have to use force. The nature of their job puts them in close contact with some of the worst, most violent elements of society.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:22 AM

10. Oh well

 

Are we really supposed to ooooohhhh and ahhhhh because a cop was killed?

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Response to Dwayne Hicks (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:36 AM

11. For most people

a human being senselessly killed is enough to push their give-a-shit button; at least for the victim's family if nothing else.

Then there is the other 4% of the population.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:59 AM

12. I get that

 

All I am saying is we make such a huge deal whenever a cop is killed in the line of duty but yet barely hear a peep from the senseless murders of others.

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Response to Dwayne Hicks (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:19 AM

14. So the outcries of Sandra Bland, Travyon Martin, Michael Brown, Eric Garner

and on and on and on didn't happen?

Ok then. -_-

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Response to romanic (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:23 AM

15. Bet without googling it you have no idea how many people are killed by cops a year. You...

 

only hear the big stories.

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Response to Logical (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:19 AM

17. Fatal Encounters

 

http://www.fatalencounters.org/maps/

This is a pretty dedicated site.

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Response to romanic (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:56 AM

19. Their murderers walked.

This person will likely get the death penalty.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:35 AM

21. Good

The killer damned sure deserves it.

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Response to Lulu Belle (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:37 AM

26. They will be prosecuted for this murder.

Justly so.

But cops should also be prosecuted when they murder.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #26)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:10 PM

41. No argument here

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Response to Dwayne Hicks (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:44 AM

22. Same reason we would make a "huge deal"

 

over firefighters who burn to death or a bomb squad guy that gets blown up or soldiers killed in wars.

They die doing a job that serves and protects others, and puts them in danger.

I appreciate that. I wouldn't want the hardships they take on. And if they didn't do it, who would? And if nobody did their job, what then?

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Response to Syzygy321 (Reply #22)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:18 PM

27. Silly logic, "lets tolerate bad cops because no one else will do it", when is....

 

The last time a firefighter beat up a homeowner? I'd like to see the video to.

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Response to Logical (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:02 PM

31. Huh? I said we should tolerate bad cops??

 

Someone here is silly, for sure...

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Response to Logical (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:21 PM

120. You appear to arguing against a premise no one has actually made.

You appear to arguing against a premise no one has actually made.

Is that merely because you thought someone had in fact made the premise, or (and I find this more likely), you are simply unaware of what 'logic', 'silly', and 'beat up' really mean?

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Response to Dwayne Hicks (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:54 PM

34. An execution-style murder of a police officer is an attack against the state

 

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as well as the individual. It is an assault against the polity at large and puts the public at risk.

That is the reason why the murder of officers and other public officials are more serious crimes, and unsurprisingly, the vast majority of people are quite interested in such a news story.

Moreover, we hear quite a lot more than a "peep" concerning controversial shootings involving police officers. Unless you've been living in a cave the last decade, such stories often totally saturate the news. However, many officer-involved shootings are not "senseless," at least how most people define the term, and were indeed legitimate exercises of lethal force, both as a legal matter and perceived as such by the general public. When an officer clearly defends themselves and the public against dangerous individuals, regardless of race, it rarely warrants more than a blurb on the local news.

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Response to branford (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:06 PM

38. Well you are a breath of fresh air.

 

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:42 PM

65. It's not always one way or the other

You think a cop shooting is never justified? It depends on the facts of each case. This cop vs. us mentality it narrow minded.

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Response to treestar (Reply #65)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:10 PM

66. Branford's post was a breath of fresh air after reading

 

some of the fucked-up shit in this thread. I stand behind what I wrote.

And again I will salute Branford.

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #66)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:39 PM

73. Weird. I thought it was sarcastic for some reason.

Sorry about that.

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Response to treestar (Reply #65)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:46 PM

71. Ummm...

 

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Response to branford (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:12 PM

42. Thank you for this insightful post!

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Response to Dwayne Hicks (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:59 PM

46. That is a fairly disgusting attitude to take.

 

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Response to Dwayne Hicks (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:19 PM

119. We are "suppose to" react in whatever manner suits us best...

We are "suppose to" react in whatever manner suits us best, regardless of what it may advertise about us.

Or was your little "oooh and ahhh" merely melodrama hiding a fundamental premise we all missed...?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:15 AM

13. It's terrible. I have no doubt everyone involved in the case will...

 

Work tirelessly to bring the shooter to justice.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:10 AM

16. I can't help but wonder.

 

I can't help but wonder if this was other cops, or a hit they paid some criminals for. I can't help but think this cop was probably one of the good ones that broke the blue code of the fraternity and was summarily executed for something he knew, or for not fitting in. In the scandalous climate we've recently seen in American law enforcement it's not unthinkable.

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Response to V0ltairesGh0st (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:57 PM

45. Oh give me a break with this type of nonsense.

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #45)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:30 PM

64. glad i was wrong.

 

Well thankfully i was wrong. But to think that it can not/does not happen is naive.

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Response to V0ltairesGh0st (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:26 PM

107. It was nothing but pure silly speculation about a goofy conspiracy theory

 

For which there was absolutely no evidence either at the time or now.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:38 AM

18. They have someone in custody.

Reports are that his mother called the police because she suspected her son was the shooter.

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Response to DawgHouse (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:45 PM

33. That is not what channel 13 is reporting.

His mother is saying she knows it is not her son because he was at her house with her.

http://abc13.com/news/hcso-deputy-fatally-shot-at-gas-station-in-nw-harris-county/961336/

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #33)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:59 PM

35. Well, this was hours ago but they were

definitely reporting that his mom turned him in.

http://www.fox26houston.com/home/13460470-story

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Response to DawgHouse (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:00 PM

36. I wanted to post the clarification for anyone who ran across this...

It's what I frigging hate about Houston. Throw anything up there, and we'll fix it later.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #36)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:03 PM

37. Oh yeah, I understand. The news changes very quickly but they

aren't good at updating.

Slightly OT but I've noticed this happens often in missing person's reports. The news will say to be on the lookout for an elderly missing person and never update when the poor soul is located.

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Response to DawgHouse (Reply #37)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:10 PM

40. The silver alerts that they don't update make me so mad.

It takes 2 minutes to update that stuff.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:16 AM

20. I would be willing to get more concerned about the death

of a cop when cities and law enforcement gets more serious about dealing with out of control cops who kill or beat the ever loving crap out of citizens on a regular basis. Why should the life of one cop be worth more then the the people that cops flagrantly kill and/or maim routinely from coast to coast?

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Response to avebury (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:50 AM

23. On a personal level I abhor murder on any level.

I understand your frustration.

To me, the police on a structural level needs to be completely revamped. There needs to be accountability, and that thin blue line needs to be erased.

But on a human being level, none of us know what this officer was like, what his values were, nor what kind of officer he was. What we do know is that a government employee was assassinated on the job. I can feel for that without losing sight of the policy and standards changes that need to happen throughout the nation.

I feel for this officer's family.

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Response to avebury (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:59 AM

24. You do know, of course, it is a logical fallacy

in assuming all people of a certain group are to blame for the actions of some of the people of a certain group.
Which happens to be the fallacy that prejudice is based on.

Just as it is a logical fallacy to interpret this news story to mean the life of one cop is worth more than the life of any shooting victims.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:33 PM

32. not assassinated

In this case, the deputy was assassinated, from the looks of it.


In this case the Officer was 'Executed' with a shot to the back of the head
and 3 in the torso with the shooter standing over him according to witnesses.
All done in accordance with some activist groups 1 national, 1 Texan publicly
calling for killing the Police.

Sick sick people out there.

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Response to DustyJoe (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:07 PM

39. Is there a legit source for this?

I've seen a few mentions today about activists calling for the murder of cops and whites on a radio show. The only source I've seen so far though is Breitbart which I don't take seriously.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #39)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:48 PM

44. I'm no fan of Breitbart,

 

but sufficient links are provided to judge for yourself.

More importantly, it's really not too difficult to find idiots expressing their ideas on the internet or radio, both on the right and left of the political spectrum. The issue is how widely such ideas circulate and how many people agree with them or will take action as a result.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/28/black-activists-called-for-lynching-and-hanging-of-white-people-and-cops/

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Response to branford (Reply #44)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:15 PM

52. Breitbart is race-baiting with this story, like they have before with other stories.

Now they are making a big deal about how the (alleged) shooter went to the same college as Sandra Bland.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/29/alleged-texas-cop-killer-charged-linked-to-university-attended-by-sandra-bland/

ALLEGED TEXAS COP KILLER CHARGED: ATTENDED SAME UNIVERSITY AS SANDRA BLAND

HOUSTON, Texas – Authorities in Harris County have identified the alleged killer of a Harris County Sheriff’s Deputy as Shannon Juruary Miles, 31. Breitbart Texas has learned that Miles has an extensive history with law enforcement in Harris County.

Miles is the registered owner of the 2002 red Ford Ranger that law enforcement appeared to search on Friday night outside the home where Miles lives. The Ford was being sought after police obtained security video from the gas station where Deputy Darren Goforth was killed. They also had a description of the vehicle from witnesses.

(snip)

Breitbart Texas has learned that Miles attended Prairie View A&M University, according to what appears to be his Facebook page. This is the school where Sandra Bland was arrested following a traffic stop and alleged assault on a police officer in July. Three days later Bland killed herself in the Waller County jail and became a prominent icon in the #BlackLivesMatter movement. It appears he attended the predominantly black university for one year from August, 2003 to May, 2004. Following that he attended other colleges including Houston Community College and the University of Houston Hilton College.

Following Bland’s suicide, daily protests have been held at the Waller County Jail. In one of these protests attended by Breitbart Texas, a self-proclaimed militant black woman said that all white people should be killed. A few days later, armed members of the New Black Panther Party marched on the jail chanting “the Revolution has begun, off the Pigs,” during another protest attended by Breitbart Texas.

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Response to Archae (Reply #52)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:02 PM

123. A question.

Are you saying that he did NOT go to the same college as Sandra Bland?

I would really like to know if you have reason to believe that she and he did not go to the same schools.

Thank you.

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Response to amee (Reply #123)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:23 AM

125. Enjoy your stay.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #39)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:01 PM

47. Google Harris County, Texas, sheriff's office, click on the news topic,

it is all over MSM now.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #47)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:05 PM

50. It wasn't the cop execution I was questioning.

There have been a few places where I've seen mention of a BLM activist in TX calling for the killing of whites and cops just a few days ago. I was wondering if there was a legit story on this.

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Response to DustyJoe (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 05:33 PM

49. Definition of "assassinate" from Miriam Webster:

Full Definition of ASSASSINATE
transitive verb
1: to injure or destroy unexpectedly and treacherously

2: to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:11 PM

51. I thought that carrying a gun, open carrying at that, provides protection from assault?

What happened, legion of unpaid NRA apologists?

Should the deputy have not been safe from attack by virtue of openly carrying a gun? This is only one demonstration of the absurdity of the "open carry prevents violence" meme that the NRA loves to talk about at every opportunity.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #51)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:23 PM

53. Certainly would not work in assassination

Would have a higher odds of working in a robbery.

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Response to Celebration (Reply #53)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:26 PM

54. Only if the one being robbed already had the weapon out and ready to use. eom

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #54)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:35 PM

69. Which as been debunked numerous times

by stories of armed robbers getting shot and killed by store owners/employees, or home owners shooting and killing home invaders.
Google is your friend there are lots of stories of gun owners successfully defending themselves despite having a gun pointed at them.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #51)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:34 PM

55. Nice strawman.

 

No one, NRA or otherwise, claims that open carry (or concealed carry) immunizes anyone from violence. I don't know where you've been getting your "memes."

A firearm, concealed or open, simply provides an option or potential recourse in the event of violence. It may or may not ultimately save someones life, and you may certainly believe any risks of carrying outweigh the benefits. It's no different than how owning a fire extinguisher will not guarantee that you or your property will be not damaged in the event of fire or that wearing a seat-belt or having airbags always prevents injury in a car accident. However, it you intend to attack a gun rights position, at least have the courtesy of accurately stating their viewpoint and not immaturely accusing anyone who may not share you views, including a great many very liberal Democrats on DU, of being "NRA apologists."

In any event, only a very small fringe in the USA suggest that all police officers be disarmed, such a position is definitely not the stance of the Democratic Party, it's certainly nowhere near a central component of the debate about firearms in the country, and most importantly, has absolutely nothing to do with the tragedy of the execution of Deputy Goforth.

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Response to branford (Reply #55)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:46 PM

56. And 100 million weapons in the US in the hands of a civilian population

of 350 million has no relationship to the fact that the US has a far higher rate of gun homicides per 100,000 than does any other western democracy.

So when Wayne LaPierre stated that the only thing that stops a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun, was LaPierre stating an NRA meme? He IS the President of the NRA, after all.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #56)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:54 PM

58. Yep.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #51)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:04 PM

59. You've got to keep your eyes open at all times...

A firearm is only useful when you are aware of the threat. If you're serious about personal protection you don't stare down at the cell phone while people are all around you. You do a threat assessment on every person that passes in close proximity, many dolts go around today not even looking up from their cell phone, never glancing toward folks around them. That as demonstrated in this story is a good way to die.


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Response to ileus (Reply #59)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 06:34 PM

122. And how does this work if there are people BEHIND you?

Or do the attackers always approach from the front, like in movies?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:30 PM

67. What a stupid statement.

His back was towards the killer, the deputy never saw him coming, it was an ambush and execution, now if the deputy had seen him coming, then he would have stood a better than even chance of engaging the killer and surviving the encounter.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:31 PM

68. a lot of the Gumper theories are baseless

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #68)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:38 PM

70. What's a Gumper?

Is that the latest controller's idea of an insult towards gun owners?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #70)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:16 PM

81. A "clever" way to say "gun humper" without sounding quite as much like a fuckwit.

 

I suppose it's better than the transparently bigoted "ammosexual." By a little...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #81)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 05:22 PM

88. Yeah, kinda figured that's what it meant

but I was hoping the poster would explain it.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #81)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:06 PM

90. fuckwit = 20 kids dead and nothing changes in gumper attitudes or community

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #90)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:19 PM

96. C'mon, no half measures! Throw in some small penis jokes!

 

Call gun owners "ammosexuals!" Let the hate flow through you, young Jedi...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #96)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 09:06 AM

110. Yeap, cause names sure hurts gumpers feelings...

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #110)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 09:39 AM

111. For you to hurt my feelings, I'd have to respect your opinion.

 

I'm sure you can guess the rest...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #111)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:57 PM

114. Yeap, gumpers are a little sensitive (Gumper - A person who views guns as a means worth more ...

... than the safety of people)

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #90)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:48 PM

99. A lot happened in response to the attitudes and behavior of people like yourself after Newton.

 

They grew tired of juvenile personal attacks and being blamed for something they did not do, and are fighting back. More importantly, a lot of those scorned people are liberal Democrats.

Scream "gumper" and anything else as much as you want, and accuse the 99.99+% of legal and peaceful gun owners of being little more than child killers, all while the NRA and similar organizations benefit from a windfall in new members, fundraising and supportive voters, the electorate shifts even more to a pro-gun position, you continue to lose major cases in court, and otherwise progressive Democratic candidates lose election after election trying to appease gun control activists in our party without accomplishing anything.

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Response to branford (Reply #99)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 09:06 AM

109. You're right, I started looking at a culture of "fuck them" among MOST gumpers (not people with..

... firearms) and found it disgusting.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #70)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:03 PM

89. Nah, towards people who think unfettered 2nd amendment is more important than people living safely

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:49 PM

57. Yes, OSHA keeps track of all job related injuries and fatalities. n/t

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:27 AM

61. I am ashamed of some of the DUers on this thread

and how they appear to have zero compassion for this deputy.

When right-wingers blame all muslims for the actions of a tiny percentage of muslims, they are rightly criticized by progressives. But it seems that many DUers blame all cops for the bad actions of a tiny number of LEOs.

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Response to Snobblevitch (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:49 AM

62. I'm with you. We are supposed to be

 

the thoughtful, caring and smart party.

But some on DU seem to be just shaking their fists and screaming that certain groups of people (cops, rich people, Christians, white males) are evil, and are the ruin of America!

Isn't that exactly the behavior that the extreme RW is famous for?

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Response to Snobblevitch (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:41 PM

74. They live in a bubble of righteous indignation

and I would wager have yet to experience tragedy of the quantity facing this deputies family.

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Response to Snobblevitch (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:20 PM

83. Likewise. Sure, there are deep, serious, systemic problems with the police in this country.

 

No objective person can argue that. But to use that fact to even vaguely justify what that piece of shit did is despicable.

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Response to Snobblevitch (Reply #61)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:38 AM

124. MTE

But watch these same self-righteous people call the police as soon as they become a victim of crime. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:14 AM

63. Rabid anti-cop rhetoric and those who spew and repeat it

 

carries just a much blame in this case as the rabid anti-abortion crowd does when violence happens against providers, or as much as those who spew bigotry do for violence against minorities, as much as anti-immigration bigots like Trump do when some assaults immigrants.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:51 PM

72. No doubt the assassin listened to one cop apologist after another day in and out.

 

And it sent him over the edge, this is as much cop apologists fault as anyone elses as they pretend cops never do wrong. It actually causes people like this man to lose it and do horrible things. I wish they would stop, but it won't stop. They have no shame in their bodies.

The 'few bad apples' bullshit just ramps it up and people know that along with #alllivesmatter. Shame it is just a pissing match with some people, even here on DU.

Dam shame.

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Response to Rex (Reply #72)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:44 PM

75. You don't see the irony in your own post here?

 

You are:

A. Blaming the victim
B. Making excuses for a person who killed someone in cold blood
C. Trying to Score points against the idea that 'alllivesmatter'

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #75)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 06:33 AM

108. .

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Response to Rex (Reply #72)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:46 PM

77. You also failed to mention #blm activists who have called for just this type of killing

 

If you were really not trying to get into a pissing match, you'd have taken in all variables.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #77)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:08 PM

91. Wow... link and quote that one please... I'm not talking about somebody in a crowd either that could

...be "placed" there I'm talking about BLM leadership in cities.

tia

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Response to Rex (Reply #72)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:30 PM

86. "this is as much cop apologists fault as anyone elses"

 

I feel dumber just for having read that steaming load of shit. Various influences notwithstanding, this murder is the fault of the criminal, (probably) racist shithead who committed it.

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Response to Rex (Reply #72)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 08:25 PM

102. How sad of you.

"this is as much cop apologists fault as anyone elses".

Sure it is, kiddo. Sure it is.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:44 PM

76. If everybody had a gun, no one would get shot

 

logic has gone too far.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #76)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:13 PM

80. Would you care to cite the sources where anyone actually offered such an absurd proposition?

 

The are more than ample points to be made on all sides of the firearm debate, but strawman arguments like "If everybody had a gun, no one would get shot," that are not the position of any major gun rights group, including the NRA, add nothing but further distrust and consternation in an already contentious policy debate.

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Response to branford (Reply #80)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:17 PM

82. That particular straw man is old enough to buy booze.

 

I have never, ever heard it put forward by anyone other than a control proponent.

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Response to branford (Reply #80)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 05:04 PM

87. Pro-gunners have been spouting off for years that the solution to gun violence

 

is even more guns. .

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Response to B Calm (Reply #87)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:10 PM

94. +1!! Hell, the head of the NRA has said something very close to this !!

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Response to B Calm (Reply #87)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:15 PM

95. You quite explicitly alleged in your post that the gun rights community believes or proclaims that

 

"If everybody had a gun, no one would get shot." I simply requested any cite, from here on DU, Republicans in Congress, the NRA, Ted Nugent, or from any reputable or notable source, where someone actually made such a ridiculous proposal. I'll take your non-response as a tacit admission that your comment was indeed just another hyperbolic strawman attack.

If your goal is further firearm restrictions, which is certainly your prerogative, and you will need the support of at least some in the gun rights community to achieve any of your goals, exactly how do such comments help your cause, what do they accomplish, and whom do they convince?

Rather than carping about what pro-gunners purportedly believe or the evils of the NRA, offer detailed proposals to accomplish discrete goals, argue why such ideas are lawful and attainable, and how you reasonably expect them to be democratically passed and implemented.

If gun control consists primarily of complaining about your opposition and their successes, as is sadly evident from many of the recent comments concerning the topic on DU, it's no wonder seemingly popular legislation like UBC's could not even pass a Democratically-controlled Senate and polls from Pew and Gallup show steadily increasing support for gun rights and opposition to restrictions.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #87)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:22 PM

97. Yeah some of them are in this thread.

 

Their one trick pony died long ago.

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Response to Rex (Reply #97)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:52 PM

100. Really?

How about a link?

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Response to B Calm (Reply #87)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:28 PM

98. That's moving the goalposts.

 

That's not the same thing as suggesting "if everybody had a gun, no one would get shot," which is your initial claim.

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Response to branford (Reply #80)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:09 PM

93. Open carry proponents ?!!? Regards

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #93)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 07:02 PM

101. Let's try this again...

 

The quote was: "If everybody had a gun, no one would get shot." That statement is strong, clear and very unequivocal. It should be no problem find primary sources on the entirety of the internet where gun rights proponents actually offered such a stark suggestion...

I'll be waiting.

Support for open carry (which I personally happen to oppose and is often just political theater in reaction to the lack of "shall issue" or otherwise readily available concealed carry in many jurisdictions), or more generally the belief that a firearm may indeed protect you under certain circumstances, is nowhere remotely near what was alleged in the poster's disingenuous quote, particularly in light of the numerous instances of successful defensive firearm use in this country.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html


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Response to branford (Reply #101)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 08:44 PM

103. What's your solution to GUN violence?

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #103)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:10 PM

104. Its the same as the solution to ALL violence

 

Its the violence that is the problem.

The solution is found in the root causes of the violence, and that is a complicated web of poverty, culture, education, mental illness, and so much more.

Those root causes remain regardless of if the violence is done with a gun, a knife, a bad, a fist, or anything else.

Nobody was a perfectly peaceful and rational person until they picked up a gun and then suddenly they became violent.

So many people assign some sort of mythological mind control powers to guns and act as if "gun violence" stems from the gun and not the user- asking a question about the solution to "gun violence" shows you are doing that as well, framing the question as if the solution to gun violence is somehow different than the solution to any other form of violence.

If you eliminated every gun by magic overnight violent criminals would still be violent criminals and would just use other means.

So, did you really change anything by doing the impossible and getting rid of all guns?

If you put that effort instead into addressing the root cause of the violence to reduce the number of people in society who are willing to be violent against others without cause, then you have made a meaningful change.

So, your first step is to start asking the right question- don't ask for the solution to GUN violence- ask for the solution to violence, period.

Find solutions there, and it will affect far more and be far more effective than focusing only on one means and pretending as if the inanimate objects are the cause and not just a means.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #104)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:18 AM

112. So in other words you don't have a solution.

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #112)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 11:01 AM

113. It's a complex one- it's simple minded and foolish

 

to act as if it's a problem with one single solution.

Reduce poverty and inequality. Reform and change the war on drugs that fuels a huge portion of the violence in our urban and rural areas by creating such a huge black market run by the criminal element. Far better mental health care in this country including far more inpatient care facilities where those prone to violence can be treated without endangering society. Far heavier and greater penalties for violent criminal offenses that include mandatory mental health screening and far greater access to mental health treatment when in jail that is seamlessly transitioned to the same level of care once released. Stop glorifying criminal behavior and violence. Earlier intervention when youth show violent tendencies. Better mental health care with crisis teams who can deploy anywhere needed on call 24/7 in every area so families don't face the only options of dealing with a breakdown alone or calling the cops. Better resources for victims of domestic abuse including more help for those who feel financially trapped to escape a bad situation. Actual enforcement of straw purchaser laws for guns. Actual prosecution for prohibited persons who fill out the form at a dealer saying they are legal to buy a gun and who then get turned down on the check- lying on the form is felony perjury but they never follow up on this prohibited person who just committed a felony trying to buy a gun they just leave them alone to try and get one some other way.

That's a start- and it's all pretty complex stuff to get done.

Demanding one single "solution" is idiotic and a sign of someone unable to grasp the problem just searching for simple sound bite answers that make them feel good.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #103)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:20 PM

105. Let's start with retracting that ridiculous quote, try some diplomacy, and move on.

 

I'm a liberal NYC Democrat and attorney who does not own any firearms, nor has any desire to do so. If gun control advocates, at least those who actually want to achieve actual compromise rather than fairly transparent attempts at incremental gun bans, cannot deal with me, they might as well end any discussions about reducing gun crime and go home.

I would have no problems with many versions of universal background check legislation so long as de facto registration is clearly avoided. I similarly would support increasing funding and coordination for reporting of felons, the violently mentally ill, domestic abusers, etc. to the NICS database.

I would back classroom and practical training for concealed carry licenses if the issuance of such licenses are handled on a strictly "shall issue" basis once objective criteria are met. If concealed carry licenses are available, I would support restriction on open carry.

I believe harsher mandatory minimum sentences should be imposed for those who commit gun crime and facilitate straw purchases.

However, compromise is a two-way street. If concessions to gun control are made, I would expect the passage of concealed carry reciprocity among the states in a manner similar to drivers licenses. I would have no objection to objective national criteria for such reciprocity.

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Response to branford (Reply #105)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:25 PM

106. Thank you for a voice of reason nt

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #76)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:08 PM

92. +1

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:20 PM

84. I am disappointed some wants to pass this event and throw compassion aside when anyone is killed.

If everyone had the attitude it is okay to kill whomever whenever then there will be more useless unprovoked killing. One person is not anymore important than another. The street violence is also bad, we should be better than our current results.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:06 PM

115. I wonder if this deputy's death will be classified as a hate crime.

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Response to Snobblevitch (Reply #115)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:09 PM

116. Why would you say that?

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #116)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:13 PM

117. Because the shooter who executed the deputy was African American and the deputy was caucasian.

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Response to Snobblevitch (Reply #117)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:16 PM

118. Did the shooter say he murdered the police officer because he was white?

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #118)

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:22 PM

121. I don't know, that's why I posed the question.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:37 AM

126. Let's get to the real problem, if killing of anyone can be justified to by saying others have been

killed, this will never stop, just more killings. There has been unjustified killings, this incident is an unjustified killing. As the sheriff said, ALL LIVES MATTER, it is time to give respect for life.

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