Ex-wife and Trump friend confirm: Trump studied Hitler speeches in "My New Order"

[GreatGazoo]

Trump: “Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.”

Davis clarified that he is not Jewish, and that the book was indeed My New Order. “I did give him a book about Hitler,” he said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”
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“We certainly have a more robust political system than 1930s Germany. But Trump’s racist rhetoric should be viewed in the repugnant tradition of Hitler. When you call all Mexicans rapists, criminals, losers, and the source of disease (that last claim was an old Nazi favorite), when you disparage Mexican-Americans at every turn as the cause of all the country’s woes, and when you have the money to get your message out, journalists should take you seriously.”

“Such speech is a classic ploy to sow divisiveness and generate fear. That his message finds a home at all should be alarming,” the pair wrote. “It’s one thing to argue about immigration policies. It’s a completely different thing to condemn an entire ethnic group

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/08/23/donald-trump-actually-kept-a-book-of-adolf-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bedside/

[Fred Sanders]

1. And when you court the evangelicals and pretend to love the Bible, but are found out to be a liar to God - that is going to hurt.

[Whiskeytide]

3. I don't think so...

... I agree with your premise about courting the evangelical vote, but I think 1) the "leaders" of the evangelical faith are by and large just as morally bankrupt and corrupt as the politicians courting them, and they will do all they can to keep the believers on track, and 2) evangelical faithful are, by now, well accustomed to the failings of their leaders and standard bearers, and are taught to forgive them. It's like a get out of scandal free card. So I don't think being exposed as a fraud does much damage. They just cry and confess their sins, and then get right on with it.

To me, the real problem is that it "attracts" leaders and politicians who are willing to live as frauds as false prophets. If you're enough of an asshole to lie about religious faith for personal gain, then there's no line you won't cross. Perfect vocation for a sociopath.

[hifiguy]

23. I doubt it.

The Austrian Corporal or Il Duce would have the buybull-banging totalitarians carrying them on their shoulders down Main Street. Authoritarian assholes love other authoritarian assholes, especially when the guy on the podium gives them a scapegoat.

[Octafish]

28. The Brown Shorts

[hifiguy]

29. Oh, I do remember Sir Roderick Spode,

and vividly!

Wodehouse could stick the shiv in so cleanly the victim never even realized it.

[Wellstone ruled]

30. Hey man,called it a few weeks back.

So glad someone found the Real Story,remember a Hitler Book of speechs,many of Bundtest's in the 40's had this POS and tried our darnedest to find a copy from the Rellies. Seams everyone that we knew that had a copy suddenly miss placed it. Yes,we had Rellies who supported Adolph.

[reformist2]

2. Godwin's Law in effect.

[GreatGazoo]

4. No -- Godwin refers specifically to "glib" internet discussions, not facts.

Godwin's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

This isn't a "comparison involving Hitler" but rather documentation of one source of Trump's strategy as given by 2 eye witnesses.

[stevenleser]

6. It is not. Godwin himself illustrated how specific discussions of Hitler and Nazism were exceptions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis – often referred to as "playing the Hitler card". The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics, or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies,[citation needed] if that was the explicit topic of conversation, because a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate, in effect committing the fallacist's fallacy, or inferring that an argument containing a fallacy must necessarily come to incorrect conclusions. Whether it applies to humorous use or references to oneself is open to interpretation, because this would not be a fallacious attack against a debate opponent.

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If Trump in fact kept a book about Hitler speeches by his bedside, it's not an "inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis".

[LanternWaste]

25. Oddly enough, a lot of people place a great and blind faith into that particular internet meme.

Oddly enough, a lot of people place a great and blind faith into that particular internet meme.

[TampaAnimusVortex]

27. I hope everyone understands Godwin's law really isn't a law...

Feel free to make any comparisons you like.

[pampango]

5. “Such speech is a classic ploy to sow divisiveness and generate fear." IOW how to be a fake populist

Trump is certainly not a Nazi. While a racist, no one can say he is a white supremacist. His idea of the Master Race requires dollar signs rather than skin tone. But he has taken the very effective propaganda of ‘Mr. Reich’ and made it his own, applying it to win over the gullible and stupid with fear tactics, lies, and misinformation. Trump will never admit to reading the book, but the spirit of Adolf Hitler is alive in all of Trump’s words and actions — there’s just a more elite Übermenschen and a new boogeyman to round up and exterminate.

Nice find, GreatGazoo.

[hifiguy]

24. Trump isn't even a crypto-Nazi

He's a loudmouthed, big-talking xenophobic buffoon who is nothing but a cheapjack bully; he doesn't have a messiah complex. Which, taken together, describes this guy far more than it does Mister Hilter:

[Octafish]

7. ''An old Nazi favorite.''

Conservatives.

http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Nazis

[Scuba]

8. "That his message finds a home at all should be alarming.”

True that.

[cyberswede]

10. Yep. Plenty of selfish & hateful people to eat it up, unfortunately. nt

[oberliner]

9. Weird how he made a point of saying that the guy who gave him the book was Jewish

And that the guy then made a point of saying that he is actually not Jewish.

[Cleita]

12. Not weird when you look at his penchant for over statements

and out and out lies. It fits right in with his rhetoric.

[oberliner]

18. The lying part is not what I find weird

The fact that he thought it was relevant that it was a Jewish person who gave him the book about Hitler's speeches to read. Why did he feel it necessary to include that (erroneous) information? Now that he knows that it was a non-Jewish person who gave him the book, does that make it no longer OK to read it?

[navarth]

11. The Trump question

to me the question is how to gently argue the uninformed away from him. I know a nice old guy, a veteran, just a real nice old guy. He like Trump, told me that Trump must know something about running a big organization because he's rich.

I did the usual stuff, telling him Trump inherited all his money and screwed it up bad enough to go bankrupt 3 times. But I'm not sure I got through to him.

It's going to be a job.

[progressoid]

14. Facts don't seem to matter to some.

The irony is that his followers often say they like him because, "he speaks the truth"

There are some that we'll never be able to get through to. But as the luster wears off, I think we will see people migrate to a different clown in the clown car.

[navarth]

17. Yup, that's what we're up against. nt

[retrowire]

13. is this real?

really?!

[GreatGazoo]

19. From multiple sources

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+hitler+book&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[retrowire]

20. I'm really stunned. n/t

[jalan48]

15. Trump is a dictator in waiting.

I would bet he would be a President who would encourage the Oath Keepers presence at public demonstrations, legitimizing armed, right wing extremism.

[Cleita]

21. Of course. That is what being a businessman is about. Most corporations

are totalitarian dictatorships. That's why every time someone tells me they want government to be run like a business, I cringe. Because that's what they are asking for.

[world wide wally]

16. Trump is an obvious asshole loser...

It's the idiots who believe in him that worry me

[retrowire]

22. as a Bernie supporter...

I have to say that you know the media is going to give this little to no attention, all the while they'll continue attacking Hillary and ignoring Bernie.

[steve2470]

26. If you listen closely to Trump, which I have, it's obvious he's a constant liar....

He absolutely cannot be that ignorant and that stupid to really believe all the shit he says.

The source of the Big Lie technique is this passage, taken from Chapter 10 of James Murphy's translation of Mein Kampf:

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
—Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie