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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:04 PM Aug 2015

Facebook Wants to Redline Your Friends List

Not The Onion!

http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/mo-friends-mo-problems-might-have-to-defriend-joey-with-the-jet-ski-bankruptcy

If there was any confusion over why Facebook has so vociferously defended its policy of requiring users to display their real, legal names, the company may have finally laid it to rest with a quiet patent application. Earlier this month, the social giant filed to protect a tool ostensibly designed to track how users are networked together—a tool that could be used by lenders to accept or reject a loan application based on the credit ratings of one’s social network.

In short: You could be denied a loan simply because your friends have defaulted on theirs. It’s the kind of digital redlining that critics of “big data” collection have been warning of for years. It could make Facebook a lot of money, and it could make the Web even less safe for poor people. And it could be just the beginning.

The United States has a long and storied history of discriminatory lending. Bank redlining practices denied many people of color the opportunity to apply for mortgages and buy their homes and forced racial segregation in cities across the country that persists to this day. Federal laws passed in the 1970s made these practices illegal and further protected the poor from discriminatory credit reporting and lending practices. But these laws narrowly define lenders and creditors in ways that don’t apply so neatly in an era of big data.

Depending on which factors are considered and which aren’t, predictive modeling based on one’s own history and behaviors can be terribly incorrect. When there’s more and more data to choose from, that could be good or bad news for consumers, depending on the algorithm.


Boy, am I screwn! All those disability rights activists!
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Facebook Wants to Redline Your Friends List (Original Post) KamaAina Aug 2015 OP
How can my credit worthiness be downgraded because a friend has a poor rating? Or bankruptcy? peacebird Aug 2015 #1
Guilt by association. Avalux Aug 2015 #3
Well my friends should be very happy to know me then, my rating is sterling! peacebird Aug 2015 #5
Yes it should. Avalux Aug 2015 #13
I sense a money making opportunity here... dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #18
It makes perfect sense. It's the perceived power of big data. As a human being it makes no sense. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #7
same way your house value can be downgraded if your neighbors trash their yards/homes dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #19
So people of the future will need to build up their social media rating? Start out small with a few Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #2
Modern predictive modeling based on large samples sizes is incredibly accurate. FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #4
Apologies in advance for any effect my half-ass credit score has on my FB friends! arcane1 Aug 2015 #6
Oh, great. I figured I was on solid ground with you. KamaAina Aug 2015 #8
LOL sorry to disappoint you, but I'm only IT-lite. arcane1 Aug 2015 #12
When did facebook start insisting on real names? annabanana Aug 2015 #9
The name on my FB account is NOT the name on my birth certificate. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #10
Quite a while ago. KamaAina Aug 2015 #11
I got kicked off for using an alias as well. And my friend whose a concert promoter and manages band Erose999 Aug 2015 #15
How does Facebook discover you were not using your real name, unless one of your 'friends' outed you Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #17
From what I read awhile back, one way is by zip codes. If someone snagglepuss Aug 2015 #27
I deliberately put as little personal info in my profile as possible. Just age (not my actual age), Erose999 Aug 2015 #28
They've done it to a few of my friends, but it's taken years to do. arcane1 Aug 2015 #14
Right? For the longest time, my daughter's last name was "Hookerpants..." ScreamingMeemie Aug 2015 #16
How long before they offer filters based on how many non-white faces appear on your FB page? GoneFishin Aug 2015 #20
the upside, will my good credit help a friend? seabeyond Aug 2015 #21
Breaking: Facebook Still Evil; Still Wants to Exploit You. DirkGently Aug 2015 #22
You don't have to use Facebook Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #23
Ridiculous davidpdx Aug 2015 #24
This just in: Facebook = Suck-ass Parasites hatrack Aug 2015 #25
That does it. I'm mailing credit apps prior to accepting friend requests. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #26
It's a good thing LWolf Aug 2015 #29

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. How can my credit worthiness be downgraded because a friend has a poor rating? Or bankruptcy?
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:07 PM
Aug 2015

That makes zero sense.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
5. Well my friends should be very happy to know me then, my rating is sterling!
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:12 PM
Aug 2015

If it works one way then it should also work in the other, no?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
18. I sense a money making opportunity here...
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 06:35 PM
Aug 2015

I have a sterling credit score.....how much is it worth to you to be my friend???????

and btw...I am posting this on my Facebook account.


Just posted it on my brand spanking new FB account...and shared it publicly. Feel free to do the same.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
7. It makes perfect sense. It's the perceived power of big data. As a human being it makes no sense.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:13 PM
Aug 2015

You're right from that perspective. That's why they need to cease viewing you through the lens of humanity in order for you to become a data-point from which they can draw out all sorts of weird and profit ensuring trends.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
19. same way your house value can be downgraded if your neighbors trash their yards/homes
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 06:53 PM
Aug 2015

which is one reason there are laws about property maintenance.
In fact, your home value can go down if there are too many rental homes on your street.

same way car insurers consider ALL drivers in a household even if they are not related.

The lawsuits ought to be interesting, down the road.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
2. So people of the future will need to build up their social media rating? Start out small with a few
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:10 PM
Aug 2015

very solidly financially secure social media links to build Social Media Rating? This is like Insurance companies raising car insurance rates based upon credit score only weirder and even worse than that.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
4. Modern predictive modeling based on large samples sizes is incredibly accurate.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:11 PM
Aug 2015

Modern algorithms are quite complex and when combined with large datasets, are more accurate than human judgement based on one or two simple factors like a credit score.

Companies spend millions on these systems because they work.

We may not like it and their are always some individual exceptions, but they do work.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. Quite a while ago.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:19 PM
Aug 2015

Drag queens and others were up in arms. At least one person was thrown off for using his real Native American name!

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
15. I got kicked off for using an alias as well. And my friend whose a concert promoter and manages band
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:41 PM
Aug 2015

s got booted for his stage name.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
27. From what I read awhile back, one way is by zip codes. If someone
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:12 PM
Aug 2015

uses an alias but uses their own zip code, FB can't catch them.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
28. I deliberately put as little personal info in my profile as possible. Just age (not my actual age),
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:46 AM
Aug 2015

gender, and the city where I live.

I'll be damned if I give that bastard Zuckerberg my address or phone number so he can whore it out to telemarketers, junk mail, etc.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
20. How long before they offer filters based on how many non-white faces appear on your FB page?
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 08:53 PM
Aug 2015

No, I am not kidding. They have redlined based on minority neighborhoods, so I don't believe this is a stretch at all.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. the upside, will my good credit help a friend?
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 08:56 PM
Aug 2015

btw, i would be outraged if i didnt have suh a huge headache. i hate all this stuff. wary of micro 10 update. i know nothing, about nothing. it makes it hard

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
22. Breaking: Facebook Still Evil; Still Wants to Exploit You.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 09:02 PM
Aug 2015

Remember kids, liking or speaking with poor people will be held against you.

Bad credit? Try liking more bankers and CEOs!



Jesus.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
24. Ridiculous
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 09:56 PM
Aug 2015

That would also allow them to use relatives scores against them as well if you have relatives friended on Facebook.

I see the real potential for a lawsuit the first time someone can definitively tie the denial of a loan to information that was used about Facebook friends. Granted that won't be easy because we all know they are going to try to hide it, but someone is going to have to do the research and that person will have to be a person who is denied credit.

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