If Obama loses in November, here are the reasons why.....

[matmar]

He hired the wrong people for the job. Summers and Geithner were not the answer.

Obama's embrace of too small of a stimulus that was 40% tax cuts without arguing for a much larger one, which would have given him rhetorical ammunition for a much larger stimulus in the future.

Obama's rejection of a Public Option in the healthcare "debate".

Unemployment. Which is directly related to not spending enough to create jobs. We needed FDR, we got warmed over Bill Clinton.
Killing Bin Laden will not mean much to someone without a job and a means to support their family.

Failure of Harry Reid and the Democrats to kill the Fillibuster in the Senate.

Failure of the Democratic Party to keep the youthful base energized in 2010 that allowed the Republican Party to retake the House and thus Gerrymander districts to their favor.

Funny thing happens to voters when they see you "negotiating" away paid for benefits they expect to be there when they need them --- they stay home.

[Marcia Brady]

1. If Obama loses in November, it will be racism

That is all.

[matmar]

2. Ridiculous.

[jaysunb]

32. And a good dose of stupidity to go along with it.

Lest we forget, they go hand in hand.

[Skip Intro]

41. bullshit. nt

[emilyg]

49. B.S.

[Scuba]

3. If Obama loses in November it will be because of Diebold/ESS/Sequoia and other election fraud.

[matmar]

7. It HAS to be that- because it can't possibly be that his policies didn't go far enough...right?

I mean look at the new WPA putting all these people to work, look at the way he defends government solutions to peoples' problems where "the free market" has failed...

[Scuba]

15. He's not perfect, but he's done quite well. The alternative ...

... is unthinkable.

[robinlynne]

33. thank-you.

[Drunken Irishman]

4. So, if he wins this November...

It's because he hired the right people for the job?

Because he decided a smaller stimulus was better than no stimulus?

Because he rejected the public option instead of watching his whole healthcare bill go down in flames?

Because unemployment is lowering mostly due to his policies?

Seems to me you've boxed yourself into a corner. If Obama loses, it will be all his fault. But if he wins?

[matmar]

8. No. We won't know the reasons why he won until it happens....

But we already know that his policies didn't go far enough. The results are in.

[Drunken Irishman]

12. You're right!

The results are in...



Give me a fucking break. You can't have it both ways, so stop trying. Obama loses because all of those things, but if he wins, it'll be because of something that you didn't list? Huh? That makes absolutely no sense. Obama will win because the economy is improving - we're creating jobs, unemployment is declining and Americans are becoming more and more optimistic. It's why he leads in places like Ohio and Virginia, two states that Bush won in '04.

Don't start with this false narrative bullshit. Your whole post is inane and ridiculous. It makes absolutely no sense because you're neglecting the outcome had Obama done what you're suggesting. What ifs aren't facts, my friend, so stop using 'em.

[matmar]

18. I wish I were as secure in your belief that Obama will win as you seem to be.....

Have you noticed what JP Morgan Chase did this past week? Do you think Dodd/Frank will save Obama/us from something worse?

Of course the economy is "improving". My 90 Yr old grandmothers health is "improving" too. So what. This house of cards is just that.

Where is Obama's endorsement of re-instating Glass-Steagall?

[Drunken Irishman]

21. Let's be honest, do you really want to be secure?

Because when the President leads Romney in almost every poll (no matter the margin) and holds a comfortable lead in the electoral college, trying to point to reasons why he won't win seems kind of strange to me.

You're using what ifs instead of actual facts. IF the economy hadn't improved these past four years, you'd have a point - but it has and because of that, Obama consistently leads Romney nationally and has done so for two years now.

[robinlynne]

34. anyone notice Obama's support of JP, since you mention JP Morgan........

[treestar]

38. I bet it just works the way the bin laden killing did

It succeeded, so it's to the credit of the Navy seals. If it had gone bad, it would have been President Obama's fault.

[Thinkingabout]

5. Democrats can not afford to stay at home and not vote.

Every election is important if we want responsible people in office. Democrats are the party of responsibly and we need to back Obama and a support team to get our agenda back on track. We see the results when some voters only vote for those opposed to abortion, it takes much greater ability than being anti-abortion.

[NightWatcher]

6. If my Aunt had nuts she'd be my Uncle

Really? We're going to play the IF game this early on?

[Tarheel_Dem]

59. You Better Believe It!

[11 Bravo]

9. Your concern is noted. (As is your lack of understanding regarding the realities of today's ...

Republican "obstruct everything" party.

[matmar]

11. I understand it very well. Does Joe Sixpack understand it?

If not, its a messaging failure on the part of the Democrats.

[11 Bravo]

16. I pretty much AM Joe Sixpack. Ex-grunt turned retired school teacher. I get it, why ...

would you assume others don't as well?

[matmar]

19. Most people who are Joe Sixpack aren't posting on DU.

Most Joe/Jane Sixpack types don't even know who their Congressperson is.

[11 Bravo]

24. That's a pretty broad brush you're wielding there, Sparky. Some of us even goed to college ...

where we got us some book learnin'. (And my congressman, Gerry Connolly is an aquaintance, while one of my Senators, Jim Webb, has been a friend for over 20 years.)

[MrSlayer]

10. I've been long term unemployed throughout the Obama administration so far.

I worked practically the entire time of Bush and had my best year ever in 2008. Does this mean I should vote Republican? Of course not. We're experiencing the long term effect from the horrible policies of Republicans, it's very obvious to anyone who is not ignorant.

How do we convince others in the same position of this? People only know what they're experiencing in the here and now. It's a tough situation.

[matmar]

13. I don't see Obama pointing to Reaganomics as the culprit, which it is. Why not?

[MrSlayer]

23. Because, in spite of the rhetoric, he is actually in favor of it?

Which also might explain the deer in the headlights approach to things when we had an actual majority and could have passed anything. We needed arm twisting and hardball politics, not milquetoast capitulating and an insistence on fantasyland bipartisanship.

I'm not so sure Obama is a Reaganite but I know he isn't an FDR type.

[Marr]

54. Yep-- that episode, particularly during the 'healthcare debate' was very telling.

Big majorities in both the House and Senate, and the Presidency... but the political rallying cry was "compromise". It was hilariously unconvincing.

[DFW]

14. Only electoral fraud could bring about an Obama loss

Otherwise, it ain't gonna happen. Even Karl Rove knows it.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. Obama is kicking Romney's ass in the electoral college...

It's not even contested. Romney comes nowhere near the 270 needed to win. He might be close in the popular vote, but where it counts, Romney lags behind by a lot.

[robinlynne]

37. It counts on DIbeold machines in 80% of te US. that is where it counts. inside a computer.

[DFW]

47. Which is why electoral fraud is being so desperately pursued by the Republicans

They can't win a fairly held election, and they know it.

[Drunken Irishman]

48. I agree. Which is why the OP sucks.

The only way Obama loses is if they steal it. I'm confident we won't let that happen. Obama's campaign is smart, they're on the ball.

[earthside]

20. Absolutely correct.

If Pres. Obama loses in November it will be very much for the reasons articulated by 'matmar' in the OP.

If he gets reelected it will be mostly because of the extremism of the Tea Party and the fatuousness of Mitt Rmoney as a candidate.

On a strictly political horserace note, I believe that a lot of Democrats are seriously underestimating the power of the 'Citizens United' super PAC money that the right-wingers are going to spend. Look for it to get very dirty and nasty with the primary intent to drive down voter participation among marginal voters (who tend to vote Democratic).

I'm not so sanguine about Obama's reelection chances --- and frankly, if Walker stays in power in Wisconsin next month, I think it is going to get even harder. The national party and the Obama campaign better do everything they can to help Tom Barrett.

[Drunken Irishman]

22. Yup...Obama deserves no credit to winning reelection.

But deserves all the blame if he so happens to lose! Ridiculous.

[freshwest]

27. Well, he's given us the reasons he won't be voting for Obama, anyway.

I'm not buying the RW talking points, myself.

[matmar]

25. Can it be any clearer?

Scott Walker practically declared war on working people in WI yet it looks like he will win in June. WTF?

Citizens United killed democracy in the US.

If they can do it in WI, they can convince dumbasses all over that Obama's the reason we got hit on 9/11.

This election is no where near in the bag and what has made it close is Obama's milquetoast approach.

[lib2DaBone]

26. Dems should have primaried Obama when they had a chance...

Like herding cats.. that could never happen. Too many factions of Dems to agree on anything.

Obama has been worse on Whistelblowers than GWB. Obama has been worse on Medical MJ than GWB.

And when Obama signed NDAA at a late hour on New Years Eve when no one was watching.... that was a death blow for freedom.

Obama is no friend to Social Security or Medicare... and he has failed to stop Torture. Why? I can't even guess.

How can Obama claim to be a Democrat.. with a record like this? Sorry.. not bashing Obama.. it's much too late for that.

We are slipping deeper into to Fasicm every day. Time to stop aruging over what caused it, and start to figure out a way to to maintain what little freedom we have left.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

44. Then go vote for some third party

That seems the way you're heading.

[Liberal Veteran]

28. Obama loses: It's his fault. Obama wins: It's not his victory. Got it.

[Drunken Irishman]

30. That's pretty much it. Obama has nothing to his name. He's done nothing!

So, if he wins, it will only be because the Republicans handed him victory. Hm, where have I heard something like that before? Oh yeah, the suggestion that he only got into Harvard and Columbia because he was black and not because of anything he did.

[AtomicKitten]

36. Egg Zack Lee

[ProSense]

29. This

"Unemployment. Which is directly related to not spending enough to create jobs. We needed FDR, we got warmed over Bill Clinton."

...is a strange comment considering the President with the best job-creation record after FDR is Clinton.

To extrapolate based on the population stats, FDR created the equivalent of 45 million jobs, or 15 million per term and 3.75 million per year. That's compared to about 11.5 million under Clinton.

In fact, during the Clinton years, there were more jobs created (23 million, two terms) than Reagan (16 million in two terms) and both Bushes (5.5 million across three terms), combined.



http://bureaucountydems.blogspot.com/p/job-growth.html


Private Jobs Turn Positive for Obama Presidency
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002644562

Romney...Economy Should Be Adding (500K) Jobs A Month, Which It Has Done Only Four Times In 50 Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002643728

The rest of the OP makes some claims that aren't even on voters' radar: filibuster? Who the hell is thinking about Summers?

[Drunken Irishman]

31. Average American on Summers "I can't wait for it!"

[cali]

35. lol. it's silly season.

but keep on keeping on.

[spanone]

39. bs....t3

[AnotherMcIntosh]

40. Respectfully, Harry Reid et al did not fail to kill the fillibuster in the Senate.

Senate Majority Leader Reid simply failed to either order the business of the Senate to proceed, or if it was interrupted, to call for cloture votes under Senate Rule XXII.

There will be people who will tell you differently, and do so with great sincerity, and say that the established way of holding filbusters is old fashion. That the established way of holding filibusters is simply not the way that it is done anymore. This BS is like telling the Emperor that the new tailor in town has a new and wonderful set of clothes that he should wear. Reid did not call for cloture votes because there were no filibusters.

The Republicans, with the complicity of those who would not order the business to proceed in the absence of filibusters, just said that filibusters were being held. There are those who say that Senator Reid could not compel them to speak endlessly or to read out of a telephone book. However, all he had to do is to order the business of the Senate to proceed if they were not actually obstructing the business of the Senate.

President Obama is not going to lose in Novembers. The reason why is that the big-money people have put up another nutty candidate which the general public cannot accept. Diebold might, but the general public cannot.

No matter what President Obama has done, or failed to do, he's going to be re-elected. For purposes of the election, it doesn't matter if he has failed to have openly admitted war criminals arrested and prosecuted; if he has failed to have banksters investigated and prosecuted for widespread fraud; if he has failed to close Gitmo; etc. It just doesn't matter.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

42. And Mitt Romney can't deliver one motherfucking item on your "list."

So I call "bullshit"...with all due respect. I'm not "calling you out." I'm just saying that Mitt Romney can't deliver one motherfucking thing on your "list" (see above).

That's what I'm saying, so your "list" is not valid.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

43. Look at any breakdown of the electoral college

Romney has a lot to overcome if he's going to beat Obama.

I'm not willing to argue woulda coulda shoulda just yet.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

45. Why would you post this?

Obama cannot always get his way.

[just1voice]

46. Whether he wins or loses, war criminals/torturers still free, surveillance society still rules

and the 1% still dictate everything.

[coalition_unwilling]

50. Don't forget that stooge Rahm Emmanuel, First Thug of Chicago. - n/t

[SmileyRose]

51. Get yer straw here. Straw fer sale. Cheap.

Anyone need any straw?


Or popcorn?

[Go Vols]

52. Job Creation

is good,but my kid making less at the same ironworking job I did 30 years ago isn't real good.

[Marr]

53. Extending the Bush Tax Cuts has to subtract a few votes, too.

As did putting Social Security/Medicare cuts on the table.

[BlueIris]

55. I think the biggest mistake he made was not making a plan.

And it really shows that he didn't have one, nor did he bother to make one.

[MrScorpio]

56. If he loses it'll be because enough of his voters didn't get out on election day to vote...

Whether though apathy, dissatisfaction or downright GOP voter suppression.

Anything else is just a lame excuse.

[CakeGrrl]

58. +10000

Seems people are always looking for ways to excuse others for not getting off their asses and exercising their right to vote.

No one is responsible for not casting one's vote but that person him/herself. NO ONE.

[shimonitanegi]

57. Voting for Repukes is like committing suicide.

GHWB and GWB gave the American people S&L crisis, Sub-prime loan crisis, severe recessions, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. No more Repukes!

[Tarheel_Dem]

60. What explains the losses of Alan Grayson, Russ Feingold, and Dennis Kucinich?

[NYC Liberal]

61. And when he wins, his accomplishments will be validated, correct?

Or are you only sure about him losing?

[jambo101]

62. And heres why he'll win

The opposition are a bunch of bungling buffoons who will continue to destroy Americas middle class.