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Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:04 PM

 

voters know Bernie and Trump can't win, they just don't care yet

Thereís actually a very good reason: Itís because people do care about electability. They just donít care about it yet.

Witness this new poll showing Sanders leading Clinton in New Hampshire. The poll, from Franklin Pierce University, shows just 7 percent of people say being the most electable is their top criterion. On the GOP side, just 3 percent says it's their top criterion. In both parties, about six in 10 emphasize the issues, first and foremost.

Similarly, last monthís national Washington Post-ABC News poll showed picking a candidate who ďhas the best chance of winningĒ was the top priority for just 3 percent Republican- and Demcoratic-leaning voters. 3 percent!

So itís not-so-surprising to see a candidate like Sanders (or Trump) rise to the top.

Voters are actually pretty smart in that they know these guys probably can't win. A June Monmouth poll showed 59 percent of Democratic voters said Sanders would have a worse chance than Clinton; only 13 percent thought he'd have a better chance. A CBS News poll last month, meanwhile, showed 78 percent of Democratic voters said Clinton was their most electable candidate, while just 5 percent said that of Sanders. That's even as 17 percent supported Sanders.

So clearly, even his supporters know the deal. They just don't care -- at this stage.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/13/the-one-big-reason-neither-donald-trump-nor-bernie-sanders-can-keep-this-up/

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Reply voters know Bernie and Trump can't win, they just don't care yet (Original post)
Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 OP
Schema Thing Aug 2015 #1
RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #2
B2G Aug 2015 #3
daleanime Aug 2015 #5
Rex Aug 2015 #4
Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #6
azmom Aug 2015 #7
ladjf Aug 2015 #11
Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #8
daredtowork Aug 2015 #9
LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #10
Vinca Aug 2015 #12
KamaAina Aug 2015 #14
KamaAina Aug 2015 #13
NowSam Aug 2015 #15
nc4bo Aug 2015 #16
Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #18
nc4bo Aug 2015 #26
Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #35
Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #17
Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #19
nc4bo Aug 2015 #27
cali Aug 2015 #20
Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #22
cali Aug 2015 #25
Purveyor Aug 2015 #29
Marr Aug 2015 #37
madville Aug 2015 #21
LanternWaste Aug 2015 #23
H2O Man Aug 2015 #24
Matariki Aug 2015 #28
PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #30
NightWatcher Aug 2015 #31
davidn3600 Aug 2015 #32
onecaliberal Aug 2015 #33
rhett o rick Aug 2015 #34
Marr Aug 2015 #36
sendero Aug 2015 #38
TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #39

Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:18 PM

1. It's funny how that works - your candidate can't win until...



... oh shit, suddenly it looks like we could win!!

I was at a Drinking Liberally meetup this past tuesday - full of what-should-be-enthusiastic Hillary supporters - and all but a couple would indeed happily pull the lever for her if she's the nominee (and fully expect she will be). And yet every one of us had Bernie at the top of their list for support right now. And I'm talking some female, life-long Dems in the group. (had a couple of idiots who actually admire Trump too :smh: - but they also are pro Bernie).

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:19 PM

2. I don't know of any other dem candidates that seem to be any more or less electable than Bernie.

Let me know if one emerges.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:19 PM

3. Tell that to Bernie's pollsters. nt

 

This is the DU member formerly known as B2G.

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Response to B2G (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:21 PM

5. ......

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:21 PM

4. Good point, Dems and Reps elect their leaders based on very different criteria.

 

This will probably get locked for not being in the GD-P forum.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:30 PM

6. MMMMMmmmmmm........ no.

 

I don't think so.

This is not your grampa's election.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:30 PM

7. Another attemp at demoralizing us.



They are feeling the Bern

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Response to azmom (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:47 PM

11. Exactly. nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:36 PM

8. I wonder where the Post aquired their Crystal Ball.

I think eithre of them could win.

Populism, on both sides, is proving a powrful force in this election.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:39 PM

9. Reminds me of how Americans swapped out culture/taste for marketability

A funny thing happened on the way to general collapse of America's ability to support creative artists. Reviewers stopped reviewing according to criteria of quality and stopped trying to imagine standards of eternal value. (Yep, doesn't that sound stodgy and conservative?) Instead, reviews of art "products" reflect the scale of market preference - usually scored by Internet clicks, Likes, etc. These preferences are shaped by the money invested in PR and hype, so people who are already celebrities or people who have the money to buy PR accumulate the clicks: suddenly their book/movie/song is the most popular, so it must be the "best". The crowd has deemed it so!

Meanwhile, the humanities teachers who tried to establish a canon usually did so from a white-privileged position and fell afoul of so many challenges, that they abandoned their responsibilities and cultural leaders all together and simply bemoan "everything is relative these days!". So who can blame the general public when they don't rally around the cause of supporting Humanities departments or cultural institutions like the NEA when even the teachers are saying that there are no criteria if we can't have white criteria, and we should throw out all this useless Liberal Arts education in favor of narrow employment training.

Now we get to the candidates. Hillary is the most marketable. She has the PR department behind her. She has the clickbait. Therefore she's the "best". Wow, talk about giving America the President we deserve.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:43 PM

10. I can't wait to see the debate in Nov of next year where both Sanders and Trump laugh of about it nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:48 PM

12. Hmmm . . . they seem to forget Ronald Reagan won.

He makes Trump look like Albert Einstein.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:51 PM

14. As does Dumbya.

 

Of course, he only won by one vote -- Sandra Day O'Connor's.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:49 PM

13. Nice job equating Bernie with The Combover

 

A sarcastic tip of the hat to the Bezos-owned WaPo Release 2.0.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:51 PM

15. I don't accept this premise.

I am a voter and I know Bernie can indeed win and is winning the heart of the people. He exposes the injustices and shines the light of truth on the cause of the maladies that plague the Nation.

This is a huge paradigm shift occurring in the thinking of the people - they are waking up to the fact that they have been had - we all have - and no longer will old rhetoric, tactics, and political shenanigans will work. The people have had enough.

This time it is different.

Bernie can win. Bernie will win. Because he has to. The world needs him.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:37 PM

16. Anyone remember the early odds of a young Chi-town Senator?

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:47 PM

18. Conan O'Brien joke:

 

Hillary: "Oh, please. Like I'm going to lose the Democratic nomination to a left-wing senator nobody's ever heard of."

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:04 PM

26. Heehee! nt

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:53 PM

35. The difference is, BS can't rely on the Obama coalition. The numbers just aren't there. nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:47 PM

17. Conan on Hillary

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:47 PM

19. Ah, you got the picture to post...Great minds.

 

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:05 PM

27. ....

Good one although some may not think so.

It is history afterall.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:54 PM

20. this tactic of linking Bernie with trump and his supporters with trump's

 

is both repugnant and transparent.

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Response to cali (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:55 PM

22. Why is this still in GP?

after 4 hours

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:59 PM

25. beats me.

 

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:10 PM

29. Maybe so many posters have had threads hidden that there

 

no more posters eligible to host.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:03 PM

37. Some primary talk is more equal than others. /nt

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:55 PM

21. I remember when Hillary Clinton and Mark Penn

Were saying the same type of thing about Obama in 2007/2008. How'd that work out for them?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:56 PM

23. No one is electable until they're elected.

No mountain is climbable until someone climbs it. Every ship is unsinkable until it sinks. No one is electable until they're elected... dime-store prophets and editorial pretense notwithstanding.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:58 PM

24. Respectfully disagree.

Both Sanders and/or Trump could win -- not only their respective primary contests, but the general election as well.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:08 PM

28. Oh haha. The media is moving from the 'ignore' stage to 'laugh' or perhaps 'fight'.

This is progress.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:10 PM

30. No.

 

n/t

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:11 PM

31. So we should all just shut up and vote for Hillary then, right?

Her campaign needs to work on messaging because this is not getting it done.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:18 PM

32. If these elections are so pre-determined, then why bother vote?

 

You seem to be saying the election will be Jeb vs Hillary no matter what....

So why bother pay any attention to politics if our party overlords are going to make these decisions for us?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:49 PM

33. Definitely don't know that, but you keep

Pushing that corporate meme.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:53 PM

34. This article is bunk on bunk. It says that even though very few voters think

 

that electability is important, that isn't really true. They will change their minds later because the magic 8 ball told me so.

There is a fact that some just can't get their heads around. Many of Sen Sanders supporters are anti-Clinton. Many are only voting because they see a rare opportunity to elect someone with integrity.

And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that if Clinton supporters say they will proudly support who ever gets the nomination, and you have some Sen Sanders supporters saying that they will never support Clinton, that Sanders would get more support in the general than Clinton.

(Sanders supporters + Clinton supporters) in the general if Sanders is the nominee.

(Clinton supporters + a few Sanders supporters) in the general if Clinton is the nominee.

Simple math shows that Sanders is more electable. And I didn't even include some Republicans that are saying they like Sander's message. Zero Republicans like Clinton's message.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:59 PM

36. So what happens when two unelectable candidates run against each other?

 

No one gets elected?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:03 PM

38. The idea that they "can't win"..

.... is one inch thinking from someone unfamiliar with history.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:06 PM

39. Bernie is a US Senator. He's won elections. He can plausibly win again.

Trump bought his way through life. He is untested, electorally.

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