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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"How violent the organizers and Bernie Sanders was." BLM activist speaks
Some key quotes from the video below:
"that idea of the white liberal, the white moderate who's conflicted with white supremacy"
"Hillary has better Secret Service...it's about accessibility...to get at Hillary by going through Sanders."
"unrespectablity...was intentional.
"Sanders...should have been courting BLM"
"I don't give a fuck about the white gaze."
"the whole idea that there are conditions on humanity: Fuck that."
"it's about who's with me, and who's keeping me back, and who's not really about Black Lives."
Sarah Palin Supporter? "part of that is true. My parents are both Tea Partiers. That's how I was raised."
"I did confront Sanders because of my religious convictions...I guess I am a Christian extremist."
"We got up on stage, and people were incredibly violent with us. we were not prepared for how violent the crowd was, how violent the organizers and Bernie Sanders was with us on stage."
"ever single man on that stage touched me and tried to physically restrain me. Every single one"
"People were offended. how dare you touch the god Bernie Sanders."
"The crowd...They were white supremacists. They were white supremacist liberals...anybody who hears me say that, and thinks about their feelings first, is a white supremacist."
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Are we there yet?
NiceTryGuy
(53 posts)...white supremacist.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)This woman is a blatant liar, and there's video to prove it.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)So, no most of DU does not hate BLM.
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)The leaders of BLM support her (though don't necessarily agree with her language or methods).
She is BLM and saying otherwise is extremely condescending. And people saying that are for the most part white.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Then BLM is finished. Sadly to change things it will take everyone whites blacks Mexicans etc.
Telling the largest part of that combination that needs to push for change to go fuck themselves does not bring us any closer to that change.
The recent gains for the lgbt community didn't come from gays telling everyone to fuck off it came from them letting people get to know them as people and those same people that got to know them helping them to achieve that change
Black lives do matter but if recognizing that requires people to agree they are white supremists it is going to be a long time before change comes and the change that does come could be pretty ugly.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)I don't agree with what she did just like I didn't agree with what Occupiers did when they burned flags. That didn't make Occupy bad nor did it cause Occupy to fail (Occupy stopped occupying because the localities evicted and jailed them illegally and unconstitutionally; it didn't help that they also used ordinances to make the occupation camps unlivable, no garbage collection was allowed, no portapotties were allowed).
"Black lives matter but..." is not how you respond to anything regarding BLM.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)But if the rest of (or a good portion of) the movement chimes in and decides it is ok behavior then there is a problem and it isn't one person any more.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)From their point of view it worked. They can't denounce something that they believed worked. (Even if it's obvious that Sanders' platform was worked on for weeks and his outreach pick was vetted for weeks.)
O'Malley made a platform soon after Netroots and they considered it a win. They believe that they can get Clinton to create a platform too and if she does they won't go after her.
I was pissed off when I saw that video but after thinking about it and its effect it is not that big of a deal and it seems people are resenting an action several days ago which everyone ultimately benefited from (Sanders got news, his large gatherings actually got covered, and BLM got noticed and got to have its fame; that's also why Clinton is a prime target, it'd get even more exposure).
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Response to joshcryer (Reply #68)
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BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)BLM is a large group of people, not one chuckleheaded Palin fan.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)provable that defenders are mostly Hillary supporters.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...for years now and they self-identify. Not all of them support Clinton and even those that do I think they do because they just are for whatever the usual suspects are against. Obama has been veritably shit on here for years and they see a clear and unambiguous correlation between Obama detractors and anti-BLM posts.
Anti-BLM are almost certainly white by and large.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"it is fairly provable that defenders are mostly Hillary supporters..."
Then you will of course, fairly prove it, yes?
(space provided below to insert rationalization why providing objective proofs supporting your premise is not worth doing)
Hydra
(14,459 posts)She's one of theirs, on a sanctioned action.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)The three main BLM leaders were contacted for comment, 1 supported her, 1 acknowledged that she was a member and told everyone to stop bugging her about it, and the last was at the Netroots disruption and possibly planned it.
I called often for BLM leadership clarity on this issue, and the clarity we got was (paraphrasing) "Ya, so what? This is what we're doing."
Their moves up until Seattle disrupted my own equality activism work, so I'm ignoring them. Also, I've seen this sort of thing before when I was outside the US, and it gets pretty ugly fast.
Edit: GoogleFu got me this, and it's pretty clearcut and more or less what I remember seeing. Apologies if it is a source DU doesn't like, I rarely post articles outside of the very Mainstream, and usually just for proof of quote:
http://deadstate.org/blacklivesmatter-embraces-seattle-activists-deny-they-demanded-an-apology-to-bernie-sanders/
But apparently, the connections between Johnson, Jacqueline, and the group Outside Agitators 206 to the BLM movement are not as unclear as we believed. Posting on her Facebook page today, the Los Angeles co-founder of BLM Patrisse Marie Cullors-Brignac openly embraced the Seattle activists and defended them against attacks from bloggers and the media:
Mara Jacqueline and Marissa Jenae deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. They are [a part] of BLM. I support them in their leadership. Please discontinue harming them through social media. If you have questions about what Black Lives Matters does. Please message me. Im tired of folks not being principled or just hateful for no good reason.
BLM did not circulate a petition asking for an apology, she added, referring to a petition on Change.org which many assumed was evidence of the real BLM distancing itself from the Seattle event. We are not circulating articles that are slandering these womens names. Cut this sh*t out, yall.
A post on the long-established BLM Facebook page (on which we assume Cullors-Brignac is an administrator) echoed this same sentiment:
The #BlackLivesMatter organization did not create any petitions demanding apology from Seattle based organizers. We have
Posted by Black Lives Matter on Sunday, August 9, 2015
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I can't speak for the entirety of DU.
What I vehemently disagree with is not allowing a person that is running for leadership of our nation, all of us, being prevented from speaking on Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare.
Hey, maybe I'm too old to appreciate tactics like the ones pulled on Bernie Sanders at the Social Security and Medicare Rally. Those two young ladies got their wish - people are talking about them now.
If that is a positive or a negative remains to be seen.
Beyond that, Black Lives Matter. Two young women behaving badly will not convince me that I should not support the reform of our criminal justice system, our courts, our policing bodies and respect for human dignity.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Agree completely with you.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)he is on the streets addressing the 99%. It's pretty hard for BLM to confront H. Clinton at $2,700 a cup tea parties.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)of someone using such an important issue to say, "Look at meeeeee!" The irony of an African-American woman demanding that anyone bow down to anyone else is apparent to all but the willfully blind.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)I don't back the actions of self-described "Christian extremists" who once supported one of the most extremist (and idiotic) politicians walking and then makes the excuse that she had "Tea Party Parents" (?? Tea Party's only been around less than 7 years) . . . this while saying Bernie isn't allowed to bring up HIS past.
I don't back the actions of twenty-something year olds telling a 73 year old Jewish man who lost family in the Holocaust that he's not doing enough and has to "bow down".
And I sure as hell don't back the actions of a group that attacks the only progressive in this electoral cycle out of expediency. This isn't heroism, it's cowardice and makes your actions about YOU and not the injustices #blm is trying to bring to light.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)as somewhere around Zero Degrees Kelvin.
IOW ABSOLUTE Zero.
Shoo, you trollish, contemptible, sad and pathetically stupid little person. And take all your stupidity with you, You may need to call for help as there is so much of it. What a pathetic, selfish and narcissistic SHPOS.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I agree with pretty much all the rest.
She has done significant harm to the cause she claims to support. I'm not talking about just the actual group Black Lives Matter, but the fundamental underlying premise that black people (or other minorities) shouldn't have to feel unsafe in dealing with cops or other authorities. Fortunately I don't think Sanders is going to stop working for minority rights which ever office he holds after the 2016 election just because some putz acted like a petulant child.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Is a spot-on perfect descriptor.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)that record moving pictures that would show what a load of shit this statement is.
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)Did Bernie even touch her?
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)This young woman seems to be somewhat delusional.
flobee1
(870 posts)That he tried to shake the hand of the protester. And then he violently stepped aside and allowed her to speak.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I think it she is doing a pretty good job of providing confirmation of that. I don't think her actions should in any way reflect on BLM itself. Unfortunately there really is no official voice of BLM to confirm that she does not represent them.
Regardless even if every single person involved in BLM was an asshat like this woman it wouldn't change the fact that black lives do matter and our society has a lot of work to do to ensure the black community feels like it is a cherished part of our country.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)The membership is probably appalled, if we can believe the petition for the apology.
Nevertheless, there she is with their support, lying and spreading divisiveness. That's hurting the overall social justice movement.
cali
(114,904 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)LOL. Someone is a nut.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Bugfuck nuts. Barking at the moon nuts.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)maxsolomon
(33,284 posts)Feelings arise whether you want them to or not - thought is not part of the arising. Thought allows them to pass. Feelings are just feelings. Action is what matters.
If you feel hurt when you are called a White Supremacist, then that confirms you are one? I don't think there is a way that any white person, including her white mom, gets out of the box of guilt she just built.
Unless you don't feel anything when you're called a Racist.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
She's clueless.
maxsolomon
(33,284 posts)she's clueing in, but she's not there yet.
the perspective of age will help, but I respect her passion.
and she's goddamn right that black lives matter is urgent. it can be solved pretty quickly, too. stop shooting everything.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)MORE WITCHES!
TBF
(32,041 posts)now she has had her 15 minutes and she can go work at FAUX news with the rest of them. Smh.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)took the mic and disrupted the rally to protest something the people at the rally had virtually no control over, and people tried to restrain her? I hate to say it, but this kind of sounds like something commonly referred to as "white people problems".
eridani
(51,907 posts)--who were on stage at the time agreed to give them the mic. The boobirds should have respected that decision.
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The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Yep, pretty standard fare at times.
I think just about every Du'er is either misogynistic, racist, homophobic, or conservative on some day of the week according to some other du'ers.
Not a dang one is liberal or progressive enough and everything they say or have done can be thrown out the window in a second if you don't nod your head when told and keep your mouth shut and criticisms to yourself.
Being critical of someone in a movement or how a movement is doing something doesn't mean you hate and don't understand something or someone. You can complain about America and it doesn't mean you aren't 'patriotic' and it doesn't mean you hate the country.
Criticism, it's part of being an adult and growing.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It's amazing how often self-absorption and boorishness goes hand in hand with sub-par critical thinking skills.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Former Sarah Palin supporter and she's already the expert on liberalism?
What a massive phony.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that do not show that right?
Oh never mind...
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)JanMichael
(24,881 posts)Or does that make me a White Racist?
She makes me sick. BLM as a concept does not. I hate the cop that shot Michael Brown as well as the guy that shot a dude my age in the back over outstanding child support and lapsed tags. Or the asshole campus "cop" that shot another dude about my age over literally nothing or for trying to drive away. And lastly I do not believe that that nice young lady in Texas hung herself over a minor traffic stop - she was either helped or goaded into asphyxiation.
But Miss Prissy Pants makes my blood boil. Next time she tries that shit security should be nice and prevent it. I imagine Trumps guys would. And Clinton's security would have pepper sprayed and gitmoed her.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)I want attention!!!
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Distance themselves or denounce her actions? She is doing nothing but hurting the cause. Folks that may not know much about it and this is their first introduction are lost forever. She is so bombastic it may cause unstable folks to lash out and exacerbate the problem.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)at the behest of white people. Farrakhan has banked on that fact for years.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)they will stick up for Farrakhan to the bitter end no matter how much he carries on about the evil jews! I have seen it!
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)would usurp her as the most famous voice of BLM. Your point about Farrakhan is a good one but how far off the radar is he now? I haven't heard his name in years until recently.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Chaka Khan not Farrakhan.
Cheers!
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Both Marissa Johnson and Mara Willaford
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)because John Conyers has been busted attending his events.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)own who pissed off white people . . .
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Bernie became violent with you, eh? We've got video you brainless fuckwit.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)but my impression of her and her videos, this keeps ringing in my head.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)UTUSN
(70,674 posts)*********QUOTE********
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois
[font size=5] W. E. B. Du Bois
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/font]
.... In the first decade of the new century, Du Bois emerged as a spokesperson for his race, second only to Booker T. Washington.[43] Washington was the director of the Tuskegee Institute in Alabama, and wielded tremendous influence within the African-American and white communities.[44] Washington was the architect of [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]the Atlanta Compromise[/FONT], an unwritten deal he struck in 1895 with Southern white leaders who dominated state governments after Reconstruction. Essentially the agreement provided that Southern blacks, who lived overwhelmingly in rural communities, would submit to the current discrimination, segregation, disenfranchisement, and non-unionized employment; that Southern whites would permit blacks to receive a basic education, some economic opportunities, and justice within the legal system; and that Northern whites would invest in Southern enterprises and fund black educational charities.[45] ....
Du Bois was inspired to greater activism by the lynching of Sam Hose, which occurred near Atlanta in 1899.[48] Hose was tortured, burned and hung by a mob of two thousand whites.[48] When walking through Atlanta to discuss the lynching with newspaper editor Joel Chandler Harris, Du Bois encountered Hose's burned knuckles in a storefront display.[48] The episode stunned Du Bois, and he resolved that "one could not be a calm cool, and detached scientist while Negroes were lynched, murdered, and starved."[49] Du Bois realized that "[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]the cure wasn't simply telling[/FONT] people the truth, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]it was inducing them to act[/FONT] on the truth."[50]
In 1901, Du Bois wrote a review critical of Washington's book Up from Slavery,[51] which he later expanded and published to a wider audience as the essay "Of Mr. Booker T. Washington and Others" in The Souls of Black Folk.[52] One of the major contrasts between the two leaders was their approach to education: Washington felt that African-American schools should limit themselves to industrial education topics such as agricultural and mechanical skills, to prepare southern blacks for the opportunities in the rural areas where most lived.[53] But, Du Bois felt that black schools should also offer a liberal arts and academic curriculum (including the classics, arts, and humanities), because liberal arts were required to develop a leadership elite.[54] ....
[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Two calamities[/FONT] in the autumn of 1906 shocked African Americans, and contributed to strengthening support for Du Bois' struggle for civil rights to prevail over Booker T. Washington's accommodationism. First, President [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Teddy Roosevelt[/FONT] dishonorably [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]discharged 167 black soldiers because they were accused[/FONT] of crimes as a result of the Brownsville Affair. Many of the discharged soldiers had served for 20 years and were near retirement.[66] Second, in September, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]riots broke out in Atlanta, precipitated by unfounded allegations[/FONT] of black men assaulting white women. This was a catalyst for racial tensions [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]based on a job shortage and employers playing black workers against white workers[/FONT].[67] Ten thousand whites rampaged through Atlanta, beating every black person they could find, resulting in over 25 deaths.[68] In the aftermath of the 1906 violence, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Du Bois urged blacks to withdraw their support from the Republican Party[/FONT], because Republicans Roosevelt and William Howard Taft did not sufficiently support blacks. Most African Americans had been loyal to the Republican Party since the time of Abraham Lincoln.[69]
Du Bois wrote the essay, "A Litany at Atlanta", which asserted that the riot demonstrated that the Atlanta Compromise was a failure. Despite upholding their end of the bargain, blacks had failed to receive legal justice in the South.[70] Historian David Lewis has written that [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]the Compromise no longer held because white patrician planters, who took a paternalistic role, had been replaced by aggressive businessmen[/FONT] who were willing [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]to pit blacks against whites[/FONT].[70] These two calamities were watershed events for the African-American community, marking the ascendancy of Du Bois' vision of equal rights. ....
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lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...tree to replace it.
To me, she's just another dumb fuck asshole.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Now why would she mention that. Its not like an old man like Bernie Sanders is an enemy to hear and her beliefs. Unless Bernie's religion is...no no that can't be. /sarcasm
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)She was not a victim of anyone on that stage.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)For instance, Marissa makes it clear she outgrew the Tea Party, the Palin thing was in high school, and her political beliefs, in the Seattle environment, turned to the Left.
I think she meant the "white moderate who is complicit with white supremacy."
She's honest and upfront about her Christian beliefs.
Unrespectability: that one is important to hear in regard to anyone who is expecting BLM to "behave". There is a line of thinking that "respectable behavior" is acting on white terms: it's selfish and it gets nothing done for African Americans in general. Marissa tries to defy this stereotype.
You leave out important information like the fact her mother is white, and she had white supporters with her at the event. She has a particular definition of white supremacists.
I thought it was interesting how she turned around the usual "I don't hate black people" to "Do you love black people?" Good question!
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Anyone can listen and hear that
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)I don't know what she thought and neither do you.
If that is what she meant why not say that, rather than lump every one together under a hateful label. And she said progressives not moderates.
She has a particular definition of white supremacists.
What is her definition?
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I don't think I'm qualified yet to define the term, but I do think it is a term used in academic discourse and that it's commonly used in African American discussion about oppression. You can google it to see that. I think it's an escalation of discussion about white privilege. When African Americans discuss the social structures that oppress them, they are "white supremacist" structures. "white supremacist liberals" are people in overwhelming progressive cities like Seattle (or Berkeley, where I live) where policy benefits white privilege and supposedly "liberal" citizens don't do anything about the discrimination that benefits them. Berkeley had a 20% African American population in the 1970s. By the year 2000 it was down to 13%. Today 7% and still dropping. Employment discrimination, housing policy, unfairness in education outcomes, and racial profiling in the criminal justice system probably have a lot to do with that.
I wouldn't be surprised if the world class university we host in this City, UC Berkeley (which is ashamed to be struggling to attract African American students - it got down to an all time low of 2% a couple of years ago, not sure what it is now), is itself generating the term "white supremacist society" in its African American and/or Ethnic studies department. All their students have to do is step out the door and look around at the City around them and see an example of an ostensibly "liberal" city where the political representatives in power could see policy creating African American exodus for years but did not care to make any changes, because the current policy benefited them. That is "white supremacist liberals".
The idea of "white fragility" that has been posted on DU is when some African Americans hurl themselves into white space, opt out of following the rules set by the "white supremacist society" (since the rules only benefit said white supremacist society) and speak truth to power: outrage ensues. One definition of "sipping on white tears" include when a white person manufactures outrage over perceived offenses in order to avoid talking about what's at issue - racism. We don't like when we can't define the perception of the other. But that's how we are being perceived: this is what it is.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)she never meets up with real white supremacists. That would be a very rude awakening.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)is.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Four sitting Presidents have been assassinated. Several others have been shot or shot at. Numerous presidential candidates have been attacked, one was killed. So they must know that rushing the stage or jumping up on is going to get some kind of reaction from the candidate and staff. Sanders is one of the few that still has that kind of access. I'm guessing that will stop soon.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)whose only "cause" is themselves.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Vinca
(50,255 posts)The event was filmed for all to see and no one was violent toward her. It's like one event is playing in her head and one took place in real life.