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Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 04:14 PM Aug 2015

USA Today, MSN falsely reporting US has no extradiction treaty with Zimbabwe.

Here's MSN:


"...Currently, the U.S. does not have an extradition treaty with the African nation, but if the Wildlife service finds evidence of wrongdoing, it will pass its findings to the Department of Justice and try him in the USA."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/jericho-cecil-the-lions-brother-killed/ar-BBljFpr




(which appears to be from USA Today):



"...Currently, the U.S. does not have an extradition treaty with the African nation. However, if the wildlife service finds evidence of wrongdoing, it will pass its findings to the Department of Justice, which means Palmer could be tried in the U.S."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/08/01/jericho-cecil-brother-dead/30990931/




Reuters, the New York Times, the AP, and others have reported that we DO have an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe.


And Wikipedia reports the existence of a USA/Zimbabwe Extradition treaty, and links to this treaty negotiated in 1997, effective April 26, 2000, and a search of Congress.gov shows the treaty ratified by the Senate by a vote of 105-33:





Formal Title

Extradition Treaty between the Government of the United States of America and the Government of the Republic of Zimbabwe, signed at Harare on July 25, 1997.

Date Received from President
01/28/1998 — 105th Congress (1997-1998) Text of Treaty Document available as:
TXT PDF

Countries / Parties
Zimbabwe

Committee Reports
Ex. Rept. 105-23

Latest Senate Action
10/21/1998 — 105th Congress (1997-1998)
Resolution of advice and consent to ratification agreed to in Senate by Division vote.

Treaty Topic
Extradition and Criminal Assistance

Actions (6) Text - Resolution of Ratification Text - Treaty Document Amendments (0) More Info

Actions: Senate Consideration of Treaty Document 105-33
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Senate Actions
10/21/1998 Resolution of advice and consent to ratification agreed to in Senate by Division vote.
10/21/1998 Treaty moved through its parliamentary stages up to and including presentation of the resolution of advice and consent to ratification.
10/21/1998 Considered by Senate.
10/14/1998 Reported by Mr. Helms, Committee on Foreign Relations, with printed report - Ex.Rept. 105-23. With one understanding, one declaration and one proviso, (except two Protocols with one declaration and one proviso). Placed on the Executive Calendar.
09/15/1998 Committee on Foreign Relations. Hearings held. Hearings printed: S.Hrg. 105-730.
01/28/1998 Received in the Senate and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations by unanimous consent.

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/105th-congress/33







So let's get on with it!

























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USA Today, MSN falsely reporting US has no extradiction treaty with Zimbabwe. (Original Post) Faryn Balyncd Aug 2015 OP
There is an extradition treaty -- excellent. Let's get Walter Palmer NCjack Aug 2015 #1
They both might be right. former9thward Aug 2015 #2
Article 2 of the treaty defines an extraditable offense as one punishable Faryn Balyncd Aug 2015 #3
Stuff the doc and ship him in a crate left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #4
Are there the same laws in the U.S. against big game animal poaching? former9thward Aug 2015 #5
This bear poacher in NC was sentenced to 20 months in prison: Faryn Balyncd Aug 2015 #6
I will be surprised if there is an extradition request. former9thward Aug 2015 #7

former9thward

(31,803 posts)
2. They both might be right.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 05:11 PM
Aug 2015

Have you read the treaty with all of its exceptions? I haven't. Has the New York Times had legal experts review the treaty? I doubt it. Extradition treaties do not cover all crimes. Does the treaty cover whatever crime he may be charged with? I don't know.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
3. Article 2 of the treaty defines an extraditable offense as one punishable
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 05:45 PM
Aug 2015



...under the laws of both contracting states by deprivation of liberty of more than one year, or of aiding, abetting, procuring the commission of, or being an accessory to such an offense:

(See page 13 of the treaty:
https://www.congress.gov/105/cdoc/tdoc33/CDOC-105tdoc33.pdf )

(They can't both be right, as MSN and USA Today falsely report that no extradition treaty exists.)








left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
4. Stuff the doc and ship him in a crate
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 05:49 PM
Aug 2015
deprivation of liberty of more than one year,

I heard the guides could get 10 years for poaching.

former9thward

(31,803 posts)
5. Are there the same laws in the U.S. against big game animal poaching?
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 05:58 PM
Aug 2015

That is what the treaty says has to exist.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
6. This bear poacher in NC was sentenced to 20 months in prison:
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:17 PM
Aug 2015


http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2015/06/24/bear-poaching-defendant-begin-month-prison-term/29203751/

Whatever the maximum penalty is, it would appear that it is more than one year in both contracting nations, and is extraditable under Article 2 of the treaty.












former9thward

(31,803 posts)
7. I will be surprised if there is an extradition request.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:20 PM
Aug 2015

These nations make big money off of big game hunting.

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