Fucking right-wing lies about Planned Parenthood drive me nuts (Facebook rant)

[davidpdx]

I recently added someone on Facebook who also goes to the same grad school I went to. I don't know the person very well and I finished my degree in April while she's continuing to work on hers. I generally have no problem with this because I like to network with people from my school and continue to talk to them even after graduation.

But today she posted something about Planned Parenthood stating that they sell body parts. This just pisses the hell out of me. So here is my response (anyone feel free to use the same if you'd like):

It sounds like a good quote out of context. The truth is they don't sell the parts. The only "fees" that change hands are for transportation and storage costs. A woman who wants to abort her child for whatever reason have a right to say whether she wants the fetus to be used for medical purposes. I find it odd that Christians preach about life, yet are not willing to back medical research. Cures for major illnesses and diseases like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and cancer to name a few are being researched.

How is reimbursement for these fees any different than for a person who needs a heart or lung transplant? Maybe we should stop those as well. Yes, the person is dead but the organ is still live for a period of time. Can we make the Frankenstein argument there? Honestly I know I'll never change your mind, but I hope no one you know or love ever needs treatment for these kinds of illnesses because if they do they have benefited from that kind of research that you and others deem immoral. Doesn't that make you just as guilty in the eyes of your God?

Ps-I have no problem with disagreeing, but when people repeat blatant lies, I am unabashedly loud in correcting them as I am above.

[dembotoz]

1. i like this response

http://samuel-warde.com/2015/07/planned-parenthood-is-not-selling/

[davidpdx]

2. I like that

I posted it as well. Thanks...

[flygal]

5. Good link but, omg why do I go to the comments section! nt

[retrowire]

3. good response but

never say things like "I know I'll never change your mind"

this absolute statement makes a stance of saying I disagree with you and believe you are wrong and in my eyes you'll never change your wrongness. I have no faith that you will.

its better to show faith in our fellow humans by saying the statement less absolutely. something like "I know I may never change your mind" uses the word may and leaves wiggle room for the other person. its more akin to saying that you respect their opinion though you think its wrong and you haven't written them off as capable of thinking any further on the subject. it shows faith in someone's ability to change. and we all need that.

[davidpdx]

4. I know, but given her religious beliefs it is pretty doubtful

Honestly when it comes to the issue of choice I don't have much faith in people's ability to change their mind. Maybe it's wrong of me to think that way, but she's made that clear in prior posts. I could have posted other stuff to give some context, but I wanted to be careful not to post stuff that came from someone's Facebook page.

Edit: BTW welcome to DU!

[retrowire]

6. i understand

its good to tread lightly around those who make reason by means of blind faith.

I'm not knocking religion. I mean to knock the religious though.

thanks for the welcome!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

7. Has this group (or anybody else)

ever put out any REAL evidence that any money has changed hands in excess of the standard reimbursement rates? All we have are some doctored videos that purport to show PP officials discussing procedures and reimbursement rates that experts agree are typical for such donations. Also, you have to seriously question why, if this group was SO concerned about potential criminal and/or unethical activity occurring, that they didn't go immediately to the authorities with their "evidence"? This is a sham, plain and simple designed to gin up outrage to fan the flames of another round of attempts to defund PP right before next year's election, which is almost certainly doomed to failure (and will likely backfire if the Republicans attempt to shut down the government over it).

[davidpdx]

9. Other than the video which edited to make it sound suspicious no

I have since re-posted several things from PP and other pages that have been on my Facebook feed pointing out that these are flat out lies. As I said above, some people are going to believe the shit they are fed.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

12. Unfortunately, yes.

Why? Because they WANT to believe it because it suits their political/personal purposes. I'm just thankful that I'm a critical thinker able and willing to go where evidence leads me rather than believe a bunch of crazy junk.

[CTyankee]

13. Joe Scarborough was harumphing about PP's funding...Kacie Hunt pointed out that

federal funds cannot by law (Hyde Amendment) be used for abortion purposes. Joe said "well, we know about funding silos...yadda, yadda..." He had NO evidence whatsoever to prove his vague point. NOTHING.

And Mika just nods...

[BlueJazz]

8. davidpdx is da man!

[lpbk2713]

10. That's what they do.

Look over a general outline of the Y2K sElection. They are shameless.

[n2doc]

11. Ask her where is the outrage over tens of thousands of sexually abused children each year?

Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027026255

The RW fetus worshippers never bother to get upset about those already born.


from link

By Ian Pannell
BBC News

In the US, poverty, deprivation and exploitation draw thousands of its own children down into a dark underworld that offers few ways out.

It is a world few Americans are aware of. But tens of thousands of American children are thought to be sexually exploited every year.

It's believed that every night hundreds are sold for sex.

The FBI says child sex abuse is almost at an epidemic level, despite the agency rescuing 600 children last year.

"Trafficking" often conjures images of people from other countries being smuggled over land and across the sea and then forced to work against their will in foreign lands. People are trafficked into America from Mexico, Central and South America. But the vast majority of children bought and sold for sex every night in the United States are American kids.

[davidpdx]

15. That is a good point

I posted an article about a nun who questions those who are against abortion and whether they really care about helping children.

Catholic Nun Explains Pro-Life In A Way That Will Stun Many (Especially Republican Lawmakers)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/30/1407166/-Catholic-Nun-Explains-Pro-Life-In-A-Way-That-May-Stun-The-Masses

[cynzke]

14. THE THING IS.....

First off, me too. I don't care what side of an issue you are on as long as you formed your opinion on facts and then you would be on MY SIDE, LOL. Have you seen the latest (3rd.) video released from the Center for Medical Bullshit? It takes you inside the PP clinic in Colorado. They discuss reimbursement of fetal parts but the way the discussion goes, highly suggests it is a very loose loophole that can and IS being taken advantage of. And that is the problem. NO ONE writing the law wanted to condone and allow selling tissue/organs from aborted fetuses. It would SEEM immoral to allow that. So the law was sloppily written with an exemption clause/loophole. PP and other providers have every right to ask for and seek reimbursement. But lets be honest, what BUSINESS doesn't try to benefit financially from their services, and PP clinics are going to seek out AND NEGOTIATE the highest reimbursement fees they can get. MAYBE there may be a SLIGHT margin of PROFIT to boot. Is it any wonder to some people, especially on the right or who are pro-lifers look at this and are convinced these are sales transactions? We look at it from the technical, they look at it from the emotional. But regardless of opinion on this issue, the ONLY thing that matters is what is legal. Until this is address in court, what PP is doing IS LEGAL. Some members of Congress are now trying to circumvent what should be settled in court by trying to legislate/defund PP. And that is the BS that makes me mad. Pro-lifers have been pushing these sales allegations since the nineties and the House conducted a subcommittee investigation back in 1999. SIXTEEN years later, here we are again. There is no intention by pro-lifers or the GOP to force this into a court because, those videos are not admissible evidence. This is just a new attempt to legislate/defund PP.

One other thing, if you see the 3rd. video, you will see a segment in the lab where a lab tech has dissected an ELEVEN week old fetus in a petri dish, sorting out the ORGANS. As disturbing as that seems, it from the FIRST trimester and very tiny. If they weren't recovering tissue and organs, this fetus would simple be destroyed. The pro-lifers constantly push horror tales that PP is REGULARLY aborting later term babies and hacking them up while still alive in order to harvest ORGANS. The idiot video proves that late term abortions are not necessary to recover fetal organs. That is not happening. IT ILLEGAL.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/media/extremists-trafficking-fetal-remains

http://www.womenspolicy.org/source/house-subcommittee-examines-sale-of-fetal-tissue/