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Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:55 PM

Jon Stewart told Daily Show writer to "f*** off" after racial conversation

A former correspondent and writer for Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show” has disclosed that he and its host, Jon Stewart, engaged in a heated argument about a segment perceived as racially insensitive. In his recounting, the correspondent, Wyatt Cenac, who is black, said Mr. Stewart became defensive and frequently shouted expletives.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/arts/television/daily-show-writer-recalls-heated-dispute-with-jon-stewart.html?_r=0


I never liked Jon, and it's never been a secret that he's an asshole who reacts poorly to being challenged.

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Reply Jon Stewart told Daily Show writer to "f*** off" after racial conversation (Original post)
wheniwasincongress Jul 2015 OP
ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2015 #1
cilla4progress Jul 2015 #2
gollygee Jul 2015 #3
hfojvt Jul 2015 #73
JDPriestly Jul 2015 #4
brush Jul 2015 #5
Logical Jul 2015 #8
R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #10
brush Jul 2015 #13
6000eliot Jul 2015 #38
brush Jul 2015 #45
6000eliot Jul 2015 #56
Beartracks Jul 2015 #55
Matariki Jul 2015 #82
Logical Jul 2015 #22
JDPriestly Jul 2015 #29
11 Bravo Jul 2015 #35
Logical Jul 2015 #39
oasis Jul 2015 #11
brush Jul 2015 #17
oasis Jul 2015 #21
lame54 Jul 2015 #62
vaberella Jul 2015 #26
hfojvt Jul 2015 #75
arcane1 Jul 2015 #76
GreatCaesarsGhost Jul 2015 #6
uponit7771 Jul 2015 #12
Quayblue Jul 2015 #20
brush Jul 2015 #18
vaberella Jul 2015 #23
JI7 Jul 2015 #30
TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #7
City Lights Jul 2015 #9
11 Bravo Jul 2015 #37
Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #14
vaberella Jul 2015 #24
oberliner Jul 2015 #51
Beartracks Jul 2015 #54
uponit7771 Jul 2015 #15
madville Jul 2015 #16
vaberella Jul 2015 #25
GaYellowDawg Jul 2015 #49
vaberella Jul 2015 #57
Skittles Jul 2015 #70
Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #78
Skittles Jul 2015 #92
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Monk06 Jul 2015 #34
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vaberella Jul 2015 #27
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Skittles Jul 2015 #71
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #42
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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:04 PM

1. Now the outrage spreads to Jon Stewart!

HES A RACIST

I NEVER LIKE HIM

I ALWAYS KNEW HE WAS A RACIST



Keep eating your own liberals. No wonder we never get anywhere.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:04 PM

2. Cool, that Cenac plans to be at the last show, to which Jon has invited him.

Who am I to judge? If the insulted party is willing to move past it - not in me to bear a continuing negative view.

No one's perfect. Not even Jon Stewart.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:09 PM

3. This is a good example

of how our society is racist, and because we all (or at least almost all of us) have learned everything we know within our society, any of us can have blind spots. We all probably do (though of course by definition we don't see them.)

It is not a good example of how to respond if someone points out a blind spot, but hopefully Jon Stewart has learned something from this experience.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:01 PM

73. seems to be a better example of something else

Black man has a stupid idea, white person mocks the idea (and also incidentally the person who proposed it). Supporters of the black man charge the white person with racism.

But it could even work the other way. Black man has a good idea, but not everybody likes it, some attack it and some oppose it. They, if they have white skin, might be called racists.

Heck, I don't totally disagree with Cain. 2,700 pages? Who has time to read that? Particularly when it is written in legalese. Especially when the legalese requires you to have an entire book of US law.

How many times have I tried to read a bill only to have it say "the bill modifies the Revenue Act of 1986 part 3 subsection C ...." and I am like, oh FFS now I have to look up the Revenue Act of 1986 to see what the hell that subsection USED to say.

How can citizens possibly stay informed, especially when there is so much bullsh*tting and demagoguery going on? All these charges of racism just seem to add to the noise, but I guess black people get mileage out of it, and even white people can use it to attack their enemies.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:09 PM

4. Jon Stewart is an artist. That's no excuse, but a volatile temper is all too often a sort of

piggy-backer on an artistic, very creative temperament.

At the university I attended, there was an extremely gifted orchestra conductor. He was great at his job. But when he approached an elevator, all the students evacuated that small enclosure immediately. Nobody even wanted to be in the elevator with him. It was his way or the highway. Jon Stewart may be difficult. Just possibly. I don't know him from Adam as a person, but he may be moody and prone to all kinds of outbursts -- angry, joyful, creative, insightful but unexpected.

Jon Stewart should apologize and that should be that. It may just be his personality. To be a comedian (and I know some good ones), you have to be able to detach yourself from what is going on and look at it as though you were outside it, above it or beyond it and then that situation seems funny and you see the humor and can communicate it. Some of the comedians I know, good ones, tend to actually be a bit depressed.

So I would not jump to the conclusion that Jon Stewart is a racist based on this. He is probably just rather quick tempered. He has too many vignettes on his show that ridicule racism, and he has too many really good Black comedians on his show to be a racist.

We have lots of overly temperamental folks of all colors, shapes and sizes on DU. We accept and love all of them, I hope.

But still Jon Stewart should apologize.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:54 PM

5. I tend to agree with you on this

Like you said, Stewart has skewered racists with great wit too many times to, IMO, fall into acting out that behavior himself.

I'll give him the benefit of doubt as that artistic temperment can sometimes manifest itself as stubborn, unyielding and unable to see that everything you come up with is not brilliant, which is why you have staff.

Kudos to Cenac for pointing out his doubts to Stewart, and kudos for Stewart in finally seeing he overreacted.

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Response to brush (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:00 PM

8. I never have believed that a person is justified in being an asshole because of some talent. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:24 PM

10. It does come with the baggage.

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:38 PM

13. Yeah, the greatest artist of the 20th century was Picasso and he was . . .

also the greatest asshole of them all in his treatment of women.

Like you said, sometimes it come with the territory.

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Response to brush (Reply #13)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:34 PM

38. Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole.

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Response to 6000eliot (Reply #38)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:52 PM

45. I just did and I'm a fan of his work, but . . .

maybe you don't know his history with women.

He was, like I said, the greatest artist of the 20th century but he treated women like crap.

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Response to brush (Reply #45)

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:01 AM

56. I was quoting the song I linked to.

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Response to 6000eliot (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:09 AM

55. +1 lol

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Response to 6000eliot (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:02 PM

82. Not in New York

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 03:35 PM

22. Nope, I think it is their way to justify being an asshole. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:58 PM

29. You are right. A bad temper is never justified. It just is. And people who get carried

away with a fit of temper often really can't help themselves. But letting your temper get the best of you is never the right thing to do. We see that so much on DU. No point in it. Look at the embarrassment to Jon Stewart having to admit that he was downright mean to someone. And look at the pain that the bad temper caused its victim.

All in all. Learning to control your temper is part of growing up. But a lot of very creative, artistic people are good at what they do because they look at the world like a child.

What to do about it? I do not know. It is what it is.

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Response to Logical (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:24 PM

35. Do you have any evidence of Stewart's assholery ...

other an unsubstantiated accusation?

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #35)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:51 PM

39. I was addressing the excuse to behave that way. I have no idea if he is an asshole. nt

 

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:33 PM

11. "Volitile" yes.

I remember him going off on the hosts of "Crossfire" when he was a guest on their show many years ago.

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Response to oasis (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:43 PM

17. Yeah, I remember that. He was right to do that though

He criticized that creep Tucker Carlson for siding with the liars on the Iraq war.

So yeah, he can be volatile but I don't think he's a racist, and Cenac didn't call him a racist he just said he didn't realized the "Amos and Andyesque" quality of the bit he did had racial overtones in it's caricature.

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Response to brush (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 03:12 PM

21. Hulk Hogan and Dog the bounty hunter ARE racists. Stewart's PC chops may

need a little work, but, he's no racist.

P.s. Tucker Carlson

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Response to oasis (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:39 AM

62. that was pre-planned...

he couldn't wait to go on there and expose them

i call that a public service

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:12 PM

75. why do you think he should apologize?

I mean, I don't know enough about the story to know one way or other. Stewart got pissed off and yelled. So? Maybe I, or any reasonable person would have gotten pissed off in the same situation. All we have is some guy telling a story for some reason. I am not even sure why this he said-he said should even be important enough for us to discuss.

But any time I hear a story which says "there was a heated EXCHANGE" and then they report "one person said X", I always have to wonder "well, what did the other person say before that?"

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:17 PM

76. From the OP: "Mr. Stewart later apologized to his staff"

 

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:55 PM

6. If Jon is a racist, Wyatt, why did he hire you?

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Response to GreatCaesarsGhost (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:36 PM

12. racism doesnt stop or start at association

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:51 PM

20. exactly nt

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Response to GreatCaesarsGhost (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:44 PM

18. Don't think he said "he" was a racist

Cenac didn't call him a racist he just said Stewart didn't realized the "Amos and Andyesque" quality of the bit he did had racial overtones in it's caricature and didn't take well to the criticism of it.

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Response to GreatCaesarsGhost (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:35 PM

23. I think you need to step back here. Cenac never made an accusation of JS being racist. n/t

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Response to GreatCaesarsGhost (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:02 PM

30. did he say jon was a racist ?

 

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:56 PM

7. Ah, the circular firing squad

...and people wonder why political and social progress in the US takes so goddamn long.....

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:08 PM

9. "it's never been a secret that he's an asshole"

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Response to City Lights (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:34 PM

37. Hey, I'm sure that poster has spent ...

a lot of time in Stewart's company! Of course, I suppose it's also remotely possible that they have never even shared a Zip Code.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:39 PM

14. Gee, Jon Stewart yelled at a black guy. He must be a racist.

 

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:37 PM

24. Who said anything about racism? Where do you see that in the post?

They just stress that Wyatt Cenac is black. Why then should it automatically be understood that Cenac is crying racist. Listen, because we're black doesn't mean that we cry racism uselessly. And it"s not done here.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:43 AM

51. Did you not even read the excerpt provided?

 

"...engaged in a heated argument about a segment perceived as racially insensitive."

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Response to vaberella (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:07 AM

54. It's in the OP's title: "Jon Stewart told Daily Show writer to 'f*** off' after racial conversation"

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:40 PM

15. "...Mr. Stewart later apologized to his staff...", everyone has a bad day

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:40 PM

16. Here's the segment that started it

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Response to madville (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:39 PM

25. Yeah, the "I do not like to read." can be perceived as having racist overtones.

It's not a big deal though. But I can see Cenac's point.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #25)

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:24 AM

49. Of course, because "you don't like to read" is a classic racist taunt.

That's bullshit. Complete bullshit. There wasn't a whiff of racism in that segment. What Cain said was stupid and deserved to be mocked thoroughly.

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Response to GaYellowDawg (Reply #49)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:50 AM

57. Please step off your high horse.

The racist overtone can be perceived by those who are willing to. For instance, we are talking about a Black male candidate who is said to not read. Something many blacks have faced, not to mention low literacy rate is endemic within the Black community to this day. So yeah...it is relevant, and I can see him mentioning that. Is a big of a deal in this context? I don't think so, but I can see many people being insulted by it.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #57)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 01:19 PM

70. LOL

you telling people to set off their high horse? Now THAT is rich.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #70)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:25 PM

78. Herman Caine is the ONE who doesn't like to read. People reading it as all black people don't like

to read are disingenuous and simply must be looking for something to bitch about. Stewart is not making that broad brushed assessment. Wyatt did.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #78)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:32 PM

92. "looking for something to bitch about" is becoming very common on DU lately

I understand people are upset but behaving in a ridiculous manner does NOT help

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Response to vaberella (Reply #57)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:55 PM

86. You are almost right.

You said, "the racist overtone can be perceived by those who are willing to." Almost right. What you should have said is, "the racist overtone can be perceived by those who want to." In other words, it's crap. Not every charge of racism holds water no matter who presses it.

Oh, and sorry, I can't find my high horse. Do you have a clue where it is? Perhaps if I step back, you can help me find it; that is, when you're not using it.

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Response to GaYellowDawg (Reply #49)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:23 AM

66. I agree.

Jon has made fun of W's ridiculous speech patterns and moronic behavior too.

Cenak was really looking to be offended by that. Or hey, maybe he's a Cain supporter.

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Response to madville (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:17 PM

34. Stuart isn't channelling Kingfish. He's using Cain's own faux folksy speaking style.

This is Kingfish

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:50 PM

19. I LOVE Jon Stewart!

According to Cenak, he apologized to the staff and to him personally - and invited him to the last show.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:50 PM

27. Deplorable Behaviour on this thread. I'd like to point out something I noticed from posters here:


W/o even really focusing on the article or what was stated and w/o getting the full information accusations were automatically placed on Cenac that he was calling Jon Stewart a racist.

Because the man, Cenac, left the show and because it was mentioned that Cenac was Black, and because he clearly pointed out that something can be perceived as racially insensitive to Jon Stewart. Which later, presented Jon Stewart in a negative light.


People on this thread automatically attacked Cenac and claimed he was "crying racism." They heavily implied Cenac was pulling out the race card in their comments. Nothing was mentioned as racist or racism, but simply a disagreement and stressing that Cenac was Black perpetuated this sort of inappropriate backlash.

As a note...there are some people that call racism/racist needlessly. But it seems also that some White people are hypersensitive that when a Black person simply disagrees on something that might be "perceived" as racially sensitive they are screaming racism. That word is a loaded word, it has power, it has meaning, and significance.

It is not a joke. White people need to take a step back a bit and get a clue. We call it as we see it. I am not saying anyone on this thread is racist. But I am saying that I do note inappropriate racial overtones in some of the posts.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #27)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:04 PM

41. "It's never been a secret that he's an asshole"

that is not an invitation to an intelligent discussion

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Response to Skittles (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:13 AM

58. What does that have to do with my post?

I'm speaking on some of other posts on this thread.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #58)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 01:20 PM

71. comments like that

will get you comments like that.......

HELLO

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Response to vaberella (Reply #27)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:10 PM

42. "I never liked Jon....asshole......blah blah."

Yup, there's no attack there......

People are objecting to the OP's inflammatory comments.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #42)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:14 AM

59. This is not from the article.

You speak to the people on this thread as I am speaking to others on this thread. There are particular people I am speaking too which you can read for yourself. What does that have to my post.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #59)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:54 AM

63. When one includes their own personal comments on an article in an OP....

....they tend to fan the flames of the replies.

People saw the OP piling on to Jon Stewart after the posted article and for the most part reacted to that....it seems pretty specious to tsk tsk repliers for being critical of Cenac while ignoring the fact the OP kicked off slamming Stewart with ad hom attacks.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:44 AM

52. Oh, come on.

It is not a joke. White people need to take a step back a bit and get a clue. We call it as we see it. I am not saying anyone on this thread is racist. But I am saying that I do note inappropriate racial overtones in some of the posts.


Riiiiight. Race is the entire reason why people defended Jon Stewart. Because Jon Stewart hasn't been one of the single most important figures in the last quarter century attacking modern conservatism. Oh no, that guy isn't going to be vigorously defended on Democratic Underground. No one here likes him enough to lift a finger to defend him. It's definitely all about race.

That accusation is so full of crap that it squeaks. Maybe you need to get a clue. There was nothing racist about that segment. Cain said something stupid and got mocked. Just like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, McCain, Trump, Palin, Bachmann, and a shitload of other white people. If any of them had said that, they would have been mocked. You might consider that, every once in a while, someone might actually be "crying racism." And perhaps that kind of false accusation might just warrant him being cursed out by Stewart and vilified here.

Call it as you see it. That's fine. But your response to other people calling it as they see it as "White people need to take a step back a bit and get a clue" strikes me as an inappropriate racial overtone.

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Response to GaYellowDawg (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:25 AM

60. I don't care about what Jon Stewart has done or not.

To men his segment was not over the top nor did I perceive it as racially insensitive, although I can understand the argument. My comment is to the people on this thread that started to vilify Cenac, where he in no way attacked Jon Stewart. This is because of three things, 1) it was stressed Cenac was black, 2) Cenac had a disagreement with Jon Stewart, or said to have had one (which is his right, 3) the accusation was that Cenac simply said that the segment might be perceived as racially insensitive.

None of the three things are wrong. However, there are posters here who got into a tizzy and implied Cenac is crying racism. And that is my issue. There was no reason for that and there is no proof he ever did. People should be focusing their issues with this accusation with the writer of the article. But instead they are attacking Cenac for nothing he did wrong.

My post stands.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #60)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 05:12 PM

87. Of course you don't.

Because that would give you the context to know that Cenac's accusation - and the accusations you've been casting at other posters - are so much (high) horseshit. What Stewart has done (you know, context) is to manage to not be racist through a lot of years of political satire. What Stewart has done is to speak of racism in a fashion that has been pioneering for a white broadcaster.

What Cenac did was to compare that segment to Amos 'n' Andy. That goes beyond "racially insensitive." It's a gross mischaracterization of the segment and it certainly does imply racism.

Your post is a lot closer to lying than standing.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:45 AM

53. I agree, but at the same time I think it's hard to judge either way whether this was racism

or a very heated disagreement in which Stewart lost it. It is this Cenec's word against Stewart's. Even if it was a situation where Stewart lost it and got angry, obviously he should apologize. As others pointed out there is no reason to be an asshole. Then again arguing with your boss is not a good idea regardless of race. Cenec had several opportunities to state his opinion, but continued to argue with Stewart according to his own account following him into his office. That certainly doesn't put Cenec exactly in the right.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:18 PM

89. Vaberella!!!!!

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Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:07 PM

31. Yeah

them GOLDBERGs and SILVERSTEINS sure are difficult! Hell, if you have a GOLD, BERG, STEIN, or ITZ in your name, you're definitely an asshole!

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Response to Post removed (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:09 PM

32. am I on Free Republic?...did you just say Jews are difficult people????

nt

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #32)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:12 PM

33. A jury just took care of it, unanimously by the way

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Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:14 PM

43. Results...

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He always had that uppity I'm better than you attitude
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Anti-Semite troll

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #43)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:46 PM

44. Good

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:24 PM

36. Cenac was rarely funny...

 

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Response to Positrons (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:31 AM

61. Couldn't disagree more-- I thought he was hilarious.

 

After watching the clip in question, I also don't see where he got the Kingfisher thing. Jon was mocking Herman Cain in exactly the same way he mocks other idiot politicians.

And people often argue when they're collaborating, if they actually give a shit about their work.

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Response to Positrons (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:06 AM

65. i dont know what show you watched but wyatt cenac was hillarious

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #65)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:29 AM

67. Meh...

 

YMMV...

I was glad when he left...

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:53 PM

40. stewart has done more on race, but he IS A COMIC.

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #40)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:35 PM

85. has done more on race than whom?

 

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:25 PM

46. i imagine there is some stress around there

with everyone preparing for jon's soon departure. not an excuse, but stress does have its effects

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #46)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:55 PM

47. This happened in 2011

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Reply #47)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:45 PM

48. oh. never mind then. i saw the date on the link. nt

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:25 AM

50. horse manure

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:06 AM

64. this reminds me of something Louis CK said

 

something that we would should all accept somewhat about ourselves, and stop being defensive when accused of racism from black people “I have mild racism,” he said. “It’s benign. It’s not aggressive.”

the fact that Jon believes that he is more of an expert on race, than Wyatt is the part of this that i find really troubling, the fact that he was ill tempered about it, is just a function of people working together under high pressure

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #64)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:20 PM

68. Where exactly was it said Stewart claimed to be more of an expert on race

Was that in the article or I missed it? On the podcast?

I think he thinks he's more an expert on comedy and what's best for the show, not race.

Judging by how it went down, Stewart really wanted to "fuck you" to FOX News, above else, and not concede he may have crossed the line.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #68)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:35 PM

84. read the whole story. it's about race, specifically blacks. nt

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #84)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:00 PM

88. I did read the whole article, it's why I asked you

Where did Stewart proclaim himself an expert on race? I'm pretty sure he's ignoring it if anything.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #64)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:26 AM

97. Herman Cain

 

made the statements, and Stewart skewered him - like he does everybody else.

Let me point out this a 4 YEAR old story, which who in the hell knows why it is being brought up again, now.

And Wyatt Cenac will be on the last show. Oh gee, nobody built a bridge and got over it.

4 YEARS AGO.

It stinks to high heaven.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #97)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:59 PM

98. it came up now because of a podcast in which Cenac was asked a question

 

about working with stewart.



i don't really know why you people are getting so worked up about this, stewart is human and therefore capable of human flaws. i think he is amazing but i am sure he has his flaws. like all of us.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #98)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:08 PM

100. I can't speak for "you people"

 

I can only speak for myself. It seems dodgy to me because this was 4 years ago, and Stewart apologized on air humbly.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:42 PM

69. I spent the weekend watching Dean Martin Roasts on DVD

It has all the usual suspects -- Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Junior, Don Rickels, Rodney Dangerfield, Frank Sinatra, etc.

They were unbelievably brutal and about as non-PC as humanly possible. As in, "one-eyed nigger Jew" was a recurring line.

They were also clearly good friends, off stage, and you could tell they loved and respected one another.

Among my dwindling crowd of WWII Army friends, my Sergeant (to whom I literally owe my life; he caught a bullet with my name on it), still greats me on the phone with "Joooooo!"

I am happy people are more sensitive to racial and other issues, but I think we might have stepped too far where camaraderie, and the humor of the absurdity of being human, is lost, especially among men friends, where love is shown via practical jokes, the occasional punch on the shoulder, and, yes, name-calling.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 01:27 PM

72. That's a wonderfully unsupported allegation.

"and it's never been a secret that he's an asshole who reacts poorly to being challenged..."

That's a wonderfully unsupported allegation. No doubt, some fine fiction will follow shortly below after one or two anecdotal examples to add better cover and concealment.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:11 PM

74. The OP'ers commentary at the bottom ot their post is totally UNSUBSTANTIATED.

 

So Stewart and Cenac argued? So Stewart shouts expletives?

So what?

He gave many comedians a step up on the ladder.

That would include Cenac.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #74)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:21 PM

77. Of course

but that's not a concern of people (such as the OP) who only post to draw attention to themselves and smear others.

The OP had fun being obnoxious and throwing dirt on somebody else's name.

The OP survived an alert, although in terms of poetic justice, he should not have.

That's the world. Giggles for trolls!

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:29 PM

79. Wyatt Cenac would be a nobody if it weren't for Jon Stewart.

I don't understand why he's saying all of this now. If he had problems, he could quit. Remember, it was Jon Stewart's show, not Cenac's!

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Response to FourScore (Reply #79)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:32 PM

91. So shut up and take abuse from someone?

I know it's natural to defend someone if you are a fan, but would you feel the same way if Stewart were a right-winger?

I don't watch The Daily Show often, but I generally like John Stewart. And being a white person, I know that there is often a big blind spot with whites when it comes to race. It's not that Stewart had to take orders from Cenac, but he should have taken his opinion far more seriously (and maturely) than he did in the story told.

Stewart's reaction is also a common one:
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/white-fragility-why-its-so-hard-to-talk-to-white-people-about-racism-twlm/

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Response to Feron (Reply #91)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:37 PM

93. No. And you are right to ask that question, as my comment does sound that way. What I mean is:

(and did not say) This was a one-sided interview. It is purely from Cenac's perspective.

If things were really as Cenac describes them, then that is disappointing to me. I would've held Stewart to a higher standard. However, even if it were true, I question Cenac's judgement in airing dirty laundry like this, especially right when Stewart is saying goodbye. The question is, did he only blow up at Cenac or did he do it to others? Cenac makes it sound racial. Maybe it's just prima donna-ish. Or maybe Cenac was pushing buttons in ways that were counterproductive to those trying to put a show together in a matter of a few hours. Who knows? The interview was one-sided.

Still, Cenac owes his current fame to Stewart. Unfortunately, by speaking out publicly, I am afraid that he has harmed his own career. I used to work in the film industry. People who are famous are accused of all sorts of crazy shit. It's frowned upon when stars do it publicly to each other or to a producer or writer or director, etc. You deal with it internally. That's why magazines so often quote a good friend. The star may green light the "friend" to talk to the reporter, but they won't do it themselves. Then there is always a blanket of protection. People won't be so eager to hire Cenac if he doesn't understand this. They will question his judgement and wonder if he will do the same to them.

Each time I see a star complain publicly, I think, "What the hell did you just do that for?" because they are shooting their own career down, not the person they are attacking. I can give countless examples, but the entertainment industry is sort of like a family, you just don't air the dirty laundry through the press.

Also, the enormous stress of putting together a nightly 30-minute comedy show based on current events is so hard. I have always been in awe of Stewart (and Colbert) for what they are capable of doing. Such stress is so enormous, you have no idea. If people blow their stack every now and then, I get it. Is it right? No. Is it part of it? I don't see how it couldn't be.

Anyway, my comment before was stupid and inarticulate and only a fraction of what I was thinking. Thank you for calling me out on it, Feron, and forcing me to do it right.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 03:37 PM

80. Sometimes it's the only appropriate response. [nt]

 

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 03:54 PM

81. His Herman Cain voice was pretty close to the line, I guess

 

I kinda don't blame either of them here, though.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:21 PM

90. This doesn't surprise me at all. But I give props to the Producers at the Daily Show that openly

acknowledged that they could do better and didn't deny that this happened. They also didn't lay all of this at the feet of Wyatt or claim that he is just "too sensitive" or "looking to be offended" which is unfortunately what alot of white people do in these circumstances.

Producers at “The Daily Show” said on Friday that the argument between Mr. Stewart and Mr. Cenac went well beyond the usual disagreements that can flare up in preparing the show.

Steve Bodow, an executive producer, acknowledged in an interview that there were “blind spots” at the program when Mr. Cenac worked there, “and I’m sure there still are now,” he said.



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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:38 PM

94. I worked with Jon Stewart...

many years ago before he got the Daily Show gig.

It was not pleasant. Classic kiss up, piss down personality.

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Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #94)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:04 PM

95. Hush!

No expressing dislike of or insulting Jon Stewart at DU! I learned my lesson! (I learned I'm a troll too, and looking for attention)

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:19 AM

96. This is bullshit

 

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/7qzuu1/oh--for-fox-sake---stewart-eviscerates-stewart

He apologized on air and was humble.

And 4 YEARS AGO.

Why are we stirring in this particular pile at this moment, 4 YEARS AGO.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #96)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:04 PM

99. +1

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