i've seen this picture all over the news this a.m.

[spanone]

where are the pictures of trayvon martin's lifeless body for a little perspective?

[HappyMe]

1. sigh!

I had worse roller skating injuries when I was a kid.

[mactime]

2. Nobody is denying that Trayvon is dead

but previously there have been a lot of claims that Trayvon did not assault Zimmerman. This picture supports Zimmerman's claims, that is why it is in the news

[spanone]

3. assault????? how about self-defense....zimmerman approached martin, not the other way around.

[A Simple Game]

43. It was all about assault. But the question is by who?

If Zimmerman had stood his ground, which was in his SUV, nothing more would have happened. When he got out and pursued, it became stalking. If Trayvon threw the first punch it was stand your ground on his part, if by Zimmerman, it was assault.

Now if Zimmerman had beat Trayvon to death with his fists or even a knife, nobody on DU would be defending him.

The fact is Zimmerman shot him to death, the defense of Zimmerman is not about Zimmerman, it is about the use of the gun. Plain and simple.

[maddezmom]

5. you keep moving the goal posts here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=700623

[alittlelark]

13. Nice catch. n/t

[mactime]

15. What goalposts?

Don't understand what you are trying to say

[maddezmom]

16. really? I think you do understand.

[mactime]

17. your post

implies that I posted 2 conflicting arguments or opinions where is clearly not the case so I was asking for clarification.

[EOTE]

21. Initially you suggest that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman.

After all, if Zimmerman was in or at his car at the time of the scuffle, that would imply that it was Trayvon who confronted him. Now you're stating that Zimmerman was ASSAULTED, and there's absolutely nothing to suggest that. If you're accosted by a strange man with a gun telling you that you don't belong in the neighborhood, you have every right to defend yourself. Every bit of evidence still suggests that it was Zimmerman who started this deadly confrontation. The Zimmerman apologists truly sicken me.

[mactime]

24. Zimmerman's injuries

do suggest that he was assaulted. According to Zimmerman Trayvon confronted him while he was in or at his car and proceeded to punch him. These pictures support this claim.

[EOTE]

26. Assault is a CRIME. Defending yourself is not a crime.

Injuries do not determine whether or not someone was assaulted. The circumstances of the fight DO. You were trying to suggest that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman. That's not how it happened. Hence the goal post moving. Try to keep up.

[mactime]

29. But he did.

Trayvon back-tracked to confronted Zimmerman at his car.

[EOTE]

31. ZIMMERMAN CONFRONTED TRAYVON.

That part is not even in doubt. You suggested that Zimmerman didn't leave the area around his car, that is simply not true. He pursued Trayvon, you can hear him leave his car and start breathing heavily. You seem to have a ridiculous amount invested in defending this racist, monster and murderer. It's really sickening.

[mactime]

32. Never suggested he did not leave his car

After the initial chase Zimmerman said he returned to his car where Trayvon confronted him.
I am only invested in the truth, Zimmerman might have been a racist but that does not mean he was a murderer.

[EOTE]

34. He's a murderer because he pursued, with a gun, an innocent, unarmed kid

and then KILLED HIM. Yes, that makes him, without a doubt, a murderer. And you clearly don't give one rat's ass about the truth because you're saying that Trayvon confronted him when all of the evidence suggests the contrary. You're not interested in the truth, just doing your part to defend this racist asshole.

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. Clearly false, since his car was not in an interior courtyard

[Bake]

47. So Trayvon confronted Zippy in his car?

Is THAT where your alleged "assault" happened?

NO.

It happened, IF IT HAPPENED, after Zippy followed Trayvon (ignoring the police dispatcher) and confronted Trayvon with his 9mm pistol.

Facts matter. You're leaving out the important ones.

Bake

[mactime]

48. Not in his car

At his car, which Zimmerman was returning to after the chase.

[uppityperson]

51. "at his car" in an interior courtyard? Then the car magically moved out to the street later?

wrong.

[uppityperson]

50. Tray did not confront Zimmy at his car, unless the car was driven between buildings to the back yard

which is wasn't.

[ScreamingMeemie]

7. One cannot assault someone after they are stalked. "We don't need you to do that..."

[uponit7771]

9. No it doesn't and there were NO indications Martin was in a fight or through a punch

...on the autopsy

[JustAnotherGen]

11. I've never denied he FOUGHT

Back and stood his ground.


Zimmerman got his ass whooped because he behaved in a dangerous and threatening manner. Stalking is a felony in Florida . . .

[obamanut2012]

12. Trayvon didn't assault Zimmerman

Fail.

[abelenkpe]

33. Apologist

Take the crap you are selling elsewhere. Zimmerman is a racist stalking murderer.

[LiberalArkie]

4. Nice logo there

[ZombieHorde]

6. I don't usually see dead bodies on the news, and I don't think it would add any information anyway.

Bizarrely, even though most people seem to think the police were off, the media is off, and the witnesses don't agree with each other, many people seem to absolutely know what happened. Not just the basic events, but their thoughts as well.

I feel like I am witnessing the birth of two new religions. OK, that may be hyperbolic, but you get my point.

[spanone]

8. superficial wounds versus a fatal gunshot? perspective if nothing else.

i have no idea what happened that night. but if mr martin was fearful for his life, there is no reason why he wouldn't fight....

on the other hand, if mr zimmerman was fearful for his life, he could have jumped in his car and drove off.

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. if mr zimmerman was fearful for his life, he could have jumped in his car and drove off.

Especially after the dispatcher told him they didn't need him to follow Martin.

[ZombieHorde]

14. "if mr zimmerman was fearful for his life, he could have jumped in his car and drove off"

We don't know if that was possible. If you have an image in your mind of what took place, it is probably wrong.

[Fumesucker]

19. We do know that Zimmerman left his vehicle with a pistol on his person..

Do you think Zimmerman would have left his vehicle and pursued Martin on foot without the pistol?

[ScreamingMeemie]

25. After being told, "We don't need you to do that."

[ZombieHorde]

42. I have no idea what Zimmerman would have done without his pistol.

Though I really don't like that he was following people and calling the cops on them, I don't really know what his personality is like.

I live in Montana, so I am surrounded by pistols very often. Gun owners are an extremely diverse group. Walking around with a pistol doesn't tell me anything about his personality.

[Blue_Tires]

22. All I've ever wanted was justice

Because there, by the grace of clichéd god, go I and every other black male walking in a neighborhood minding our own business...It's the extremist gun nutters who have decided to make Zimmerman into their personal jesus and morph this case into the 21st century Bernie Goetz shootings...They truly want to remind us that even with the presidency, the black man's life in this country is just as cheap as it ever was...

At the bare minimum I just want Zimmerman to have to admit he had no cause whatsoever to follow Martin and call 911...And with all the twists/new facts/spin/distortion/bullshit that has come out in the media and on the internet, there has been nothing to dispute that, even from his staunchest defenders...

[ZombieHorde]

41. Good reply. nt

[Blue_Tires]

45. But you are right; there are two clearly diverging camps on DU about this...

I personally don't remember any issue on DU that was this divisive (that wasn't related to a politician/congress/election)

[ProfessionalLeftist]

18. Oh boo hoo. My cat has caused worse injuries...

...meanwhile Trayvon Martin is DEAD - where are the photos of his lifeless body with blood streaming out?

Bytheway, WHERE are Zimmerman's drug test results, hmm?

And how ironic the logo on his jacket -- "Free Country" - for whom, exactly?

[KurtNYC]

20. How does this picture sync with the video from the police station

from an hour after the shooting where GZ is walking around and appears to be free of injuries?

Why is this pic from GZ's doctor after GZ declined EMT treatment at the scene? And what do they claim caused this blood

[KansDem]

23. I wondered that too

[KurtNYC]

30. it is the same jacket

around the 52 sec mark the one officer appears to look at the back of GZ's head but it is not bleeding and does not appear to be dressed in any way.

[slackmaster]

52. EMT report says they cleaned him up at the scene - DU discussion thread here

See the second to last page in the PDF document at the link in the OP.

[WI_DEM]

27. hmm, who do I feel sorrier for? him or the kid he killed?

[The Doctor.]

28. LOL!

Prosecution will tear this to shreds.

So... How many hours after the 'assault' was this picture taken?

Why was there no attempt to clean or dress these 'wounds' during this time?

Is this the same shirt/clothes you were wearing at the time of the shooting?

If the wounds were bleeding so profusely, why is there no blood on the clothing?


One slip by any defense witness on the stand and this asshole goes away for a while.

[Rex]

35. It is strange how none of that is there

during the casual stroll (and at one point leaning up against a wall) through the SPD. Strange indeed.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

37. Prosecutor wouldn't do that.

Defense would eat it up, arguing that the prosecution is poisoning the jury pool and creating sensational prejudice against the defendant.

Yes, I know it appears to be a glaring double standard, but only one party is on trial here, and it is the prosecution's burden to prove guilt, not the defense's burden to prove innocence. (Although, I will add, they would have to prove an affirmative defense, such as self-defense....)

[librechik]

39. so they release photos which seem to bolster Zimmerman's story?

Very odd, that. Unless the most consuming priority is to paint the Sadford investigation as very thorough, and therefore not to be questioned. Including all the glaring contradictions, which all are decided in the defendants favor. Really? You don't find that odd?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

40. Not sure as to the context of how that got released.

If it was made in the form of a public records request by the media, the States Attorney may have had fewer options to refuse.

I don't know the exact situation. It is, as you say, very odd but I can't begin to guess on the exact situation.

[magical thyme]

38. I had far, far, far more blood

when I was beaned by an icicle. I'm not impressed.

[RockaFowler]

46. I had far more blood when I bumped my head

I actually broke my nose. I had 2 black eyes immediately. My nose is still awkward.

But hey I guess it's OK. Zim has a cut on his head. Trayvon deserved to get shot. Oy

[malaise]

44. Excellent post

Rec

[DiverDave]

49. This is NOT what was shown

when he stepped out of the cop car at the jail.

This is bs