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leftieNanner

(14,998 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:22 PM Jul 2015

BREAKING: Sandra Bland's family's attorney just reported

on Lawrence O'Donnell's show that the Texas authorities asked them to return her body from Chicago to Texas for another autopsy. It appears that they screwed up the first one. Fortunately the family will not do that. Lawrence suggested that they get some Federal involvement. This whole thing STINKS!

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BREAKING: Sandra Bland's family's attorney just reported (Original Post) leftieNanner Jul 2015 OP
Key words safeinOhio Jul 2015 #1
Politics behind this... For Freddie Jul 2015 #37
I thought that the feds are already involved. niyad Jul 2015 #2
That's what I read. n/t whathehell Jul 2015 #19
FBI already involved, I think... Helen Borg Jul 2015 #42
I hope her family gets mucifer Jul 2015 #3
race class sex and money. lonestarnot Jul 2015 #4
put this to a beat Quayblue Jul 2015 #15
Check out the ACLU's letter in PDF format to the sheriff.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #17
I hate to open docs i am not certain of, and I trust YOU for sure, is there anyway you randys1 Jul 2015 #27
It's scanned images of a five page document from the ACLU.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #34
Doesn't surprise me lobodons Jul 2015 #45
And then, you will note that a little bit before he starts chasing her and she actually JDPriestly Jul 2015 #50
Cops will do that. Follow you close and wait for you to make a mistake..... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #62
Well done... MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #61
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #5
Cops lie. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #6
And fabricate "evidence" all the fucking time. nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #51
Yep. Makes ya wonder. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #53
Has anyone put out contact formation where this officer gets a paycheck ? MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #7
(979) 826-8282 Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #18
Just keeps ringing and ringing, Spitfire... MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #59
They must have unplugged it.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #60
The feds already are involved. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #8
Did they say if the family has yet had its own autopsy completed? pnwmom Jul 2015 #9
I thought there was to be an independent autopsy done at the request of the family. whathehell Jul 2015 #20
Yes, they did leftieNanner Jul 2015 #23
Sounds arrogant to me. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #10
Zing! DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #14
Big time CORRECTO, my friend. Anansi1171 Jul 2015 #36
Seriously. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2015 #46
Yeah, and "accidently" mix her body up with one scheduled for cremation. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #56
yep... BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2015 #63
Here is a link to The Last Word's video of the lawyer's statement.... xocet Jul 2015 #11
They'd be crazy to hand over her body... CoffeeCat Jul 2015 #12
The autopsy was performed at the Harris County Institute of Forensic Science tammywammy Jul 2015 #24
The fact that they thought they could do a cover up autopsy onecaliberal Jul 2015 #52
Just more harrassment of the grieving family. Midnight Writer Jul 2015 #13
Unbelievable. SoapBox Jul 2015 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #21
How do the Texas cops know that the other autopsy doesn't agree with theirs? GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #22
Just a FYI, all hangings don't involve being off the ground tammywammy Jul 2015 #26
But how does a conscious, non-drugged person strangle herself with her feet on the ground? pnwmom Jul 2015 #35
Because hanging doesn't generally kill you by cutting off your air initially metalbot Jul 2015 #39
That's how Robin Williams (RIP) died. leftieNanner Jul 2015 #43
Are you sure he wasn't on some kind of sedating drug? pnwmom Jul 2015 #44
The toxicology report leftieNanner Jul 2015 #68
He had Parkinson's, so I wonder if he was taking any medication for that pnwmom Jul 2015 #69
Hadn't thought of the Parkinson's drugs leftieNanner Jul 2015 #70
I'm still waiting for a credible autopsy LittleBlue Jul 2015 #25
The autopsy was done at the Harris County Institute of Forensic Science tammywammy Jul 2015 #29
I feel certain it was still part of the good ol' boys network. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #32
Wow, that gives me a lot more confidence... NOT! BillZBubb Jul 2015 #57
I want to know how this will ever get a fair trial Marrah_G Jul 2015 #28
That's one more reason this is so tragic chenildieu Jul 2015 #49
How relevant is that? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #58
Because it shows he has already decided Marrah_G Jul 2015 #64
Oh. I meant the statements about Sandra. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #65
Its not relevant Marrah_G Jul 2015 #66
They aren't relevant at all, because they did not contribute to her death or Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #67
Where is AG Loretta Lynch? Maedhros Jul 2015 #30
FBI is on the ground, they will refer to DOJ....... msanthrope Jul 2015 #47
I think we all know what they did. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #31
Oops! The coverup is slipping! blackspade Jul 2015 #33
I would welcome them to do all the autopsies they want rocktivity Jul 2015 #38
Southernese-English translation: forest444 Jul 2015 #40
Killing her wasn't enough? left-of-center2012 Jul 2015 #41
Wow wheniwasincongress Jul 2015 #48
Of course Milliesmom Jul 2015 #54
Sandera was murder: but, her family should sue for her civil rights too! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #55
Yeah. I agree. Too risky. mmonk Jul 2015 #71

For Freddie

(79 posts)
37. Politics behind this...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jul 2015

Judge Carbett "Trey" Duhon III
Waller Co. Texas
Phone: 979-826-7700
E Mail: t.duhon@wallercounty
Can't get any history on this guy yet.
He seems to be the area boss of and
counsel.



mucifer

(23,374 posts)
3. I hope her family gets
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jul 2015

A high end law firm to do the case pro bono for the publicity or a wealthy person donates the payment for a high end lawyer.

The family didn't have enough money to bail her out during those 3 days.

The justice system is all about race class and money.

It's so sad.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. I hate to open docs i am not certain of, and I trust YOU for sure, is there anyway you
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jul 2015

can copy and paste it here?

Unless it is too long, I apologize for even asking .

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
34. It's scanned images of a five page document from the ACLU....
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jul 2015

It cites the ONGOING history of the place as being really bad as far as racism by the authorities including attempts to jail blacks for trying to vote as recently as 1992.

It reminds them of the constitutional duty to keep prisoners safe and to provide medical care.

It pleads with the sheriff to run a transparent investigation.

 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
45. Doesn't surprise me
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:23 PM
Jul 2015

In the video she screams, I've got epilepsy and the officer responds. Good.

Unreal. Notice at beginning of video it took all of 1 second to spot an African American with out of town plates and ZOOM U-turn to follow her.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
50. And then, you will note that a little bit before he starts chasing her and she actually
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jul 2015

moves into the right lane, she just kind of edges to the right a tiny bit. That was like an invitation to him to think he could surely catch her at something.

We shall see what happens here.

The officer was tracking her down.

That's my opinion.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
62. Cops will do that. Follow you close and wait for you to make a mistake.....
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:44 PM
Jul 2015

Even driving too SLOW. They can then pull you over claiming you appeared impaired.

I was pulled over once by a cop that claimed I took a turn too fast.

I pointed at the passenger seat.

There rested a birthday cake I had just bought from the bakery.

He rolled his eyes and let me go.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
61. Well done...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:36 PM
Jul 2015

The would be the ACLU calling card.

Damn… They have all but ignored us at that Sheriff's office. I can't call and they need to hear from ALL OF US.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
7. Has anyone put out contact formation where this officer gets a paycheck ?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:15 PM
Jul 2015

I'd like to light up their phones...

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
8. The feds already are involved.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:01 AM
Jul 2015

As for returning the body I dont see the point to be honest, if its a minor issue like needing an additional sample from the body or an x ray for something they can ask the guy doing the current examination but it does not pass the smell test otherwise to ask for it to be returned to Texas.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
9. Did they say if the family has yet had its own autopsy completed?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:11 AM
Jul 2015

It was supposed to be done today, according to a report.

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
20. I thought there was to be an independent autopsy done at the request of the family.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:49 AM
Jul 2015

They should insist upon it.

leftieNanner

(14,998 posts)
23. Yes, they did
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jul 2015

The family's attorney said in the same interview that they had. Didn't indicate that they had results yet.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
10. Sounds arrogant to me.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:28 AM
Jul 2015

Perhaps someone should put the Texas authorities in a jail cell with a plastic bag.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
14. Zing!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jul 2015

I'm getting that county-wide top-to-bottom corruption feel from this place. First, they gave us teleporting vans and looping video. Now they, uh, need to borrow the body back for just a little while to clear up a couple of matters. These people need to be scrutinized carefully.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
36. Big time CORRECTO, my friend.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:33 PM
Jul 2015

The whole Waller County mess is run by Judge Trey Duhon III , a kissing babies type elected within the past year. Also on their Chamber of Commerce, a proud Republican and Texan.

He has ambition, and BIG PLANS for Waller County growing as it's in the path of Houston's sprawl.

xocet

(3,870 posts)
11. Here is a link to The Last Word's video of the lawyer's statement....
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:33 AM
Jul 2015
BREAKING: Lawyer for #SandraBland’s family says TX officials want to redo the autopsy, calling first defective.

https://twitter.com/TheLastWord/status/624045708811743232

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
12. They'd be crazy to hand over her body...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jul 2015

The cop's coroner performed their concocted, corrupt autopsy and declared their findings. They didn't expect that her family would take it this far. They've probably killed others without consequence, and they're probably wondering how they got so unlucky this time.

If they want that body back, it's to tamper with it or botch the investigation.

Hell no. They should NOT get her body until the family has concluded their own autopsy and investigation.

It's debatable whether or not they should even be allowed near her body, after all of this.

Can they be any more transparent? Obviously, they're wanting to cover up something or examine the body more closely so they can concoct more lies and probably alter her body in ways that back up the new lies they are about to tell.

They know they are screwed. They know exactly what that autopsy is going to reveal. That she sustained injuries that killed her--injuries that she could NOT have have done to herself and that certainly weren't created by a hanging. The autopsy will most likely show that she died way before she was hung. And they hung her after she died. If that is the case, it will be verifiable in the autopsy.

There are good cops out there. Decent, hard-working cops. These ingrates are not in that group. I hope they are punished to the full extent of the law.

onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
52. The fact that they thought they could do a cover up autopsy
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jul 2015

Goes to snow they've done this before. People better go to prison for this.

Midnight Writer

(21,548 posts)
13. Just more harrassment of the grieving family.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:36 AM
Jul 2015

The funeral is scheduled for Saturday in Chicago. The body has already been transported there. Now the Texas authorities say the remains cannot be buried. Meantime, the Texas DA is leaking results of their first autopsy, even though they admit it is "flawed".

This is the equivalent of leaving Michael Brown's body in the street of Ferguson for five hours before it was moved.

Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
22. How do the Texas cops know that the other autopsy doesn't agree with theirs?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:03 AM
Jul 2015

I can't see where the family has released the results. That is incriminating right there -- the Texas autopsy was fine, case closed until... the Chicago autopsy gets done.

Is it even possible to hang yourself with the plastic bags that would be a in small cell -- 13 gallon bag at most? The bag would have to be capable of suspending a 5'-5" 120 lb human off the ground in a cell with an 8 ft ceiling for 3 minutes or more without stretching or tearing. There are McGyver episodes more plausible than that.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
26. Just a FYI, all hangings don't involve being off the ground
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jul 2015

You can hang yourself by slumping over, kneeling, or crouching with your feet or body still on the ground.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
35. But how does a conscious, non-drugged person strangle herself with her feet on the ground?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jul 2015

How do her own natural breathing reflexes not kick in and make her rip the thing off her throat?

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
39. Because hanging doesn't generally kill you by cutting off your air initially
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jul 2015

Hanging more commonly kills you by cutting off the blood flow to your brain, and this can induce unconsciousness very quickly, followed by death from oxygen deprivation.

leftieNanner

(14,998 posts)
43. That's how Robin Williams (RIP) died.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jul 2015

He put pressure on his neck until he passed out, and then that was all.

leftieNanner

(14,998 posts)
68. The toxicology report
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:27 PM
Jul 2015

indicated that there were no illegal substances or excessive alcohol found in his blood. Not entirely sure about any sedatives. I think you have to be very determined and work pretty hard to go that route. Awful.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
69. He had Parkinson's, so I wonder if he was taking any medication for that
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jul 2015

that could have had that effect.

It's so hard to imagine how he could have done that to himself, or Sandra Bland.

leftieNanner

(14,998 posts)
70. Hadn't thought of the Parkinson's drugs
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:31 PM
Jul 2015

This still brings a lump to my throat. He was such a treasure. But when people decide that they absolutely want to commit suicide, then they will succeed.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
25. I'm still waiting for a credible autopsy
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jul 2015

Not one from the locals investigating themselves. Shouldn't the independent one be done soon?

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
29. The autopsy was done at the Harris County Institute of Forensic Science
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jul 2015

Harris county is Houston. Separate county from where she died.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
28. I want to know how this will ever get a fair trial
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jul 2015

I just watch the district attorney on cnn making the victim look as terrible as possible. He painted her as a pot smoking cutter. There is no way his office can be fair about this, especially in a grand jury situation. He has already decided that the police did nothing wrong and the victim was to blame.

 

chenildieu

(19 posts)
49. That's one more reason this is so tragic
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:32 PM
Jul 2015

Whether it was murder or suicide, the cops' attorney will dredge up her worst secrets and make them public, to bolster their claim that she was unstable and did it to herself. It's how the justice system works, and it's logical, but it will be agonizing for those who loved her.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
58. How relevant is that?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jul 2015

We can see the video of the "arrest."

The officer lost his temper over nothing. He took her off camera. We can assume that he knew that he was going to beat her up, although that has to be proved. We never saw what she looked like after that although there may be some video of her in her cell.

She complained that the officer was hurting her wrists. Could the scars on her wrists have been recent and due to the officer's conduct or were they most definitely older.

Even if she did smoke pot and cut herself, that information would have nothing to do with the false arrest and the stress that she would have suffered as a result of her terrible treatment by the officer.

In fact, if she was mentally vulnerable, a defendant has to take the plaintiff or the victim for what they are. If she was vulnerable, the officer had a duty to treat every person as vulnerable.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
64. Because it shows he has already decided
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jul 2015

And he would be the one deciding what "evidence" the grand jury sees or does not see. Unless this goes federal or the state appoints a special prosecuter, I doubt there will ever be a grand jury indictment.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
65. Oh. I meant the statements about Sandra.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jul 2015

How relevant is it that she may have been a cutter at one time or that she used marijuana?

I don't see any relevancy of those facts. I don't see the relevancy of facts about the victim.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
66. Its not relevant
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:58 PM
Jul 2015

But to some people it will matter. The major issue is that a prosecutor went on national tv and slandered a dead girl for no reason. He sounded more like a defense attorney.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
67. They aren't relevant at all, because they did not contribute to her death or
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:01 PM
Jul 2015

her arrest. Any mental problems that she may have had might contribute to her death, so are relevant.

We are left with what seems clearly to be a wrongful arrest and then a subsequent death in custody, and the wrongful arrest cannot be separated from the death, whether suicide or murder.

As an outsider, looking at this from the little we know, it seems to me that the officer's actions are such that he bears a large portion of the responsibility for her death, even if it is a suicide.

I don't have any difficulty imagining that a person could be so despairing in these circumstances as to commit suicide. It must have seemed to her that the whole system was against her. Even if she got out on bail and was able to retain her new job, could she have confidence that just driving down the road to the supermarket the same type of thing wouldn't happen again? Could she have belief in her own future?

This is what civil rights violations do to people. They lose all confidence in themselves, in society, in justice and in their own futures. That's why civil rights violations are so completely destructive.



 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
30. Where is AG Loretta Lynch?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jul 2015

Bobby Kennedy sent the FBI to Mississippi in 1964 to investigate the deaths of civil rights workers. Maybe AG Lynch should do something about Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Walter Scott, Freddie Gray and Sandra Bland?

What does it take to get the Justice Department to give a shit?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
47. FBI is on the ground, they will refer to DOJ.......
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jul 2015

What is Loretta Lynch supposed to do at this point?

also it's entirely possible DOJ is already on this case we just may not know about it.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
31. I think we all know what they did.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jul 2015

I would make sure there is an independent medical examiner present for the next autopsy.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
33. Oops! The coverup is slipping!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jul 2015

Ms Bland's family should tell them to fuck off.
Hasn't Texas abused her enough?

disgusting.

RIP Ms Bland

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
38. I would welcome them to do all the autopsies they want
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jul 2015

as long as it's in Chicago AND they can get an independent second opinion.


rocktivty

forest444

(5,902 posts)
40. Southernese-English translation:
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jul 2015

"We screwed up the first autopsy" = "We didn't do a good enough job of falsifying the results (darn it, should've known better than to let Jethro handle it)."

 

Milliesmom

(493 posts)
54. Of course
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jul 2015

What does it mean when an autopsy shows marijuana in the system?

The toxic dose of THC being well above and truly what anyone could even unreasonably consume or take in, the presence of it merely indicates that the deceased had been using it at some point within a period up to a month ago, depending on the test that identified it. Thus, the presence of THC and metabolites indicating marijuana use means nothing other than that they used marijuana and is not a reasonable indicator of anything else.


http://www.answers.com/Q/What_does_it_mean_when_an_autopsy_shows_marijuana_in_the_system

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
55. Sandera was murder: but, her family should sue for her civil rights too!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jul 2015


This particular cop was very dirty!

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
71. Yeah. I agree. Too risky.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jul 2015

I agree with him to bring in the feds (though they haven't been the greatest). Hard to trust Texas (not throwing dispersions at Texans, but their governmental structures).

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