Flashback: Black Lives Matter Protesters Interrupt Obama In Selma

[geek tragedy]

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/03/07/3631178/black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-obama-selma/

SELMA, ALABAMA — On Saturday, President Obama spoke at the foot of the Edmund Pettus Bridge on the 50th anniversary of the attack on voting rights protesters known as Bloody Sunday.

“Our march is not yet finished, but we are getting closer,” he said. ” If Selma taught us anything, it’s that our work is never done – the American experiment in self-government gives work and purpose to each generation.”

As he spoke, a group of protesters wearing shirts with airbrushed portraits of those killed by police started banging on drums and chanted, “Ferguson is here. We want change!” and “This is what democracy looks like.”

Obama did not pause his speech or acknowledge the interruption. But some older people in the crowd became angry, shouting at the young protesters: “Your vote is your voice! Get registered!”

A few of the demonstrators were removed by state troopers, and the rest agreed to remain silent.

Funny, they weren't described as:

"thugs"
Rove operatives
Soros operatives
Communists
"assholes"

etc, when they heckled President Obama, at Selma of all places.

[randys1]

1. Funny indeed.

[geek tragedy]

3. it's been stunning how quickly some Bernie supporters started talking EXACTLY like

Tea Partiers after some black folks pissed them off.

I mean, calling them Communists and 'thugs'--really?

[BainsBane]

9. Indeed. nt

[randys1]

31. I didnt see those comments here at DU but I believe it.

Here is the simple reality.

Bernie appeals mostly to middle age and older white people who tend to lean liberal (i.e. adult) on social issues like Women's rights to their own bodies and Gay marriage. They seem to believe there is a racial problem here but not that it is a huge problem anymore, etc. And those who acknowledge that it is a huge problem dont understand how to talk to the people effected.


They seem to be pocketbook voters, but they are smart enough to know that rich assholes like the Koch Bros arent their friends, etc.

I dont come to the dance with pocketbook being my main concern, so I feel very different from many of them as in what I think are the priorities.

[ismnotwasm]

115. Yup.

[geek tragedy]

117. now they're comparing BLM to . . . Westboro Baptist Church.

And, then there's stuff like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6995146

[jalan48]

124. Absolutely agree

I was at a local town hall meeting in 2012 and some Tea Party folks starting shouting while our local Congressman was speaking about Obamacare. They were so disruptive he couldn't finish his comments. The meeting basically descended into chaos with no one able to say a thing.

[JustAnotherGen]

145. And yet -

The "TEA" party has been rewarded for their efforts.

Thanks for sharing this. The year my dad died he was putting himself through hell going to Town Hall Meetings in his district.

[jalan48]

148. The Tea Party is really a Koch Brothers astro-turf group.

They have funding and media access for their BS. BLM is truly a grass roots group. I hope Progressives and BLM can unite, I think they have in some cases. Together they would be much stronger. I believe that's what MLK was doing at the end of his life, trying to unite all people in the struggle for racial and economic justice. Thanks for the thanks . Keep on fighting....

[bravenak]

2. How many angry DU threads about it? I can't remember any.

[BainsBane]

11. Really? Like the threads demanding Black Lives Matter apologize

To Sanders? Or the ones claiming they are "thugs," corporate henchmen hired by George Soros? There has been a lot of ugly stuff, and I've barely been around to look. The whole thing has made me physically ill.

[arcane1]

14. One post called them thugs, and it was hidden.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. Somebody called BLM protesters thugs?

This place sometimes.....

[JI7]

22. yes.someone who kept complaining about being banned from

the African American group.

[Cha]

133. Damn Straight it was hidden and so was this ignorant one..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026995434

[arcane1]

134. Wow! Sometimes I wonder if I got lost and stumbled onto a different site!

Damn good hides!! (although 5-2? Really?)

[Cha]

135. Join the club!

[bravenak]

16. Atwater too. Somehow Lee Atwater and my game of thrones avatar are involved.

Of course Hillary is paying for most of it. I think. Or Soros is paying and Hillary and Atwater are profiting. Something like that.

Have fun looking around. I've been all over the place yelling, telling, trying to teach, berniesoblacking. I'm completely burned out on Bernie. No more. If I get one more damn black history lecture from a condescending, paternalistic white liberal Bernie supporter (who refuses to believe I can read books and already fucking know Bernie marched with MLK) or told about 'ALL HE'S DONE FOR YOU PEOPLE!!, I will hunt them down and protest them at work and home. Me, a picket sign and a candle. Singing we shall overcome and screaming BLACK LIVES MATTER.Done. It's a wrap. I know it will never end. Even after the primaries the lectures will have to continue. They cannot help themselves. They have to correct those unruly negores. They have made me a bit angry.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. Oh my!

[Starry Messenger]

28. !!

Post love!

[bravenak]

35. You see this stuff? SMH

[freshwest]

40. I second - wait- third that!

[geek tragedy]

34. OMG, Lee Atwater too. All that's missing is Ramsay Bolton comparisons nt

[bravenak]

41. Oh, it's coming. Soon Hillary will be Dany and us black with be thos poor souls she bodysurfs on

while they scream mysha mysha. It's bananas in here. BANANAS!!!

[geek tragedy]

44. lol nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

55. Tell us how you really feel!

[BainsBane]

120. I can imagine

I marvel at your patience. It has made me nauseous, and, as you well know, I am white.
I'm happy to say I finally got that Atwater slur to 1strongblackman hidden, though the previous two or three times a jury declined to hide.

[bravenak]

122. Somebody got him for me today too.

Was is that lvmg whatever guy? Keeps Lee Atwatering me.

[MADem]

112. Bravenak is talking about threads demanding apologies to OBAMA...I think you share the same POV. nt

[still_one]

4. I have seen a few posts with the descriptions you presented, but the vast majority of

posts are arguing over the tactic of inviting someone to a town hall, and not giving that person an opportunity for a dialog

President Obama was giving a speech, not a town hall, and it is not the same thing

[geek tragedy]

6. There have been dozens. People talking about how they no longer care about police violence

against black people because some BLM people were impolite to Bernie. Wild allegations of conspiracies involving:

Hillary Clinton
Karl Rove
The Communist Party
George Soros
Netroots Nation


People calling them 'thugs'--thugs!

etc etc.

There have been a lot of Bernie supporters freaking the fuck out over this, and it's been immensely harmful in efforts to portray Bernie's campaign and movement as being inclusive. Because right now they're acting like people who expect black people to sit down, shut up and fall in line.

Apparently they think that Bernie has too many black supporters already, or something, because they sure as shit are doing the best to make sure he doesn't add any more.

[still_one]

10. I have seen some of that, but my sense was it wasn't the majority, but my sense most

likely is wrong, so I stand corrected, thanks

[geek tragedy]

12. I don't know about the majority, but there's a lot of venom being thrown out there,

some really, really toxic shit.

A lot of just sheer blind rage because someone caused a bad media cycle for Bernie.

Some bells don't get unrung.

I know I'm outnumbered amongst Bernie supporters here by speaking against this crap.

[still_one]

18. You are right on target about all kinds of venom getting thrown out, and that isn't good

[djean111]

5. Maybe the difference is this -

Obama did not pause his speech or acknowledge the interruption. But some older people in the crowd became angry, shouting at the young protesters: “Your vote is your voice! Get registered!”

A few of the demonstrators were removed by state troopers, and the rest agreed to remain silent.

So, Bernie is a failure because he did not address them (they did not want answers anyway), but it is good that Obama ignored them?. And they took over Bernie's event, they were not escorted out by state troopers.

[geek tragedy]

7. Bernie's not as much of a problem--he'll figure it out--as the over-the-top rage

and crazy talk that was thrown at BLM activists. Because they caused him to get some bad press.

It's the first time I've seen insane theories that the same group of people were:

Soros operatives
Rove operatives
Clinton operatives
Commies

[JoePhilly]

19. Some of these Bernie supporters don't realize that the problem is them, not Bernie.

Its the ones screaming the loudest and dismissing African American concerns, and confusing complaints about how they are acting with what Bernie actually thinks on this topic.

Their rage is replacing Bernie's voice and they don't get it.

[geek tragedy]

21. Bernie needs them like Hillary needed Billy Shaheen. nt

[JI7]

23. Harriet christian

[geek tragedy]

24. Bill Clinton. Geraldine Ferraro. And towards the end,

Hillary Clinton.

[JoePhilly]

30. lol, no kidding.

[JoePhilly]

38. Oh ... and have you noticed that Martin O'Malley's supporters do not ...

... appear to be losing their freaking minds over this?

Maybe there are not enough of them to make sufficient noise ... but from what I see, its only the Bernie folks flipping out.

My sense is that its a sub-set of "Bernie supporters" who hate Hillary so much, that they now see Bernie as their new savior.

And so when something like this happens, they get so angry that they can't see straight.

Many of the loudest freaked out Sanders supporters are the same perpetually disgruntled folks who attend DU's regular Combustible Hair Club meetings.

[geek tragedy]

46. If I chose a candidate based on their supporters, I'd sign up for Team O'Malley.

Of course, I would thereby increase the asshole factor there by quite a bit . . .

[JoePhilly]

53. Bwahahahaha!!

[brush]

81. Nothing like self-deprecation humor.

I laughed.

[JI7]

47. Many were for warren before

In fact they may be more about being anti Hillary since many are claiming it was a set up by her people.

But it gets confusing as many have also said O'malley is a stalking horse for Clinton.

So when they were doing the whole set up did they forget to inform him ?

[JoePhilly]

58. Yea .... that's what I think I'm seeing too ...

Its the same folks that wanted a Primary opponent for Obama too.

They want that savior so badly, O'malley can only be with them, or against them ... and since he's running against Bernie (and Hillary), he must be in on it.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

68. I don't know why these "white boy progressives" are so angry.

If a bunch of white Bernie supporters went to a BLM rally with the intention of "teaching black boy protesters" a lesson, I'm sure you'd interpret that as a good faith effort at dialogue.

[geek tragedy]

73. so you feel persecuted as a white person?

I'm sure black folks will be lining up to be at the side of folks such as yourself.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

75. Nope. But I don't feel like supporting people that openly hate me either.

Nm

[geek tragedy]

77. "people that openly hate me" yes, this is standard white persecution complex

wherein the member of the privileged group irrationally believes themselves to be the victim of bigotry and discrimination on the part of the oppressed group.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

80. To oppress me BLM would need to have power.

They just have twitter.

[geek tragedy]

83. you feel they are attacking you, victimizing you, hating you. nt

[SolutionisSolidarity]

87. They lack the capacity to victimize me.

But yes by their own words they are attacking me and hate me.

[geek tragedy]

89. what words are those? nt

[SolutionisSolidarity]

140. White progressives are going to learn today! Posted right before NRN.

I thought it was white boy progressives, but I was wrong about that. It's still an asshole statement either way.

[geek tragedy]

141. so one black guy tweets that white people are going to learn a lesson, and

you have visions of Nat Turner or something?

[bravenak]

151. Of course. I think Nicole Sandler also gets scared like that of Elon and Imani Gandy.

So weird.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

163. No I wasn't expecting violence - you don't have to be violent to hate.

But I am rethinking my position on this. I mis-remembered the quote as significantly more insulting than it was, so I'm not thinking this through clearly.

[arcane1]

15. Bernie actually DID address them. People like to pretend he didn't n/t

[geek tragedy]

20. This isn't about Bernie. He's responsible for managing himself.

This is about Bernie's white supporters freaking out like there's some great big Afro-Communist-Clinton-Rove-Corporate conspiracy to take down Bernie because some black people protested him, and going on the warpath over it.

More than a few people complaining that BLM "ignores" Obama. Why? They just assumed that black activists wouldn't protest a black politician.

They pretend to know everything about a movement they pretty much ignored until this weekend.

[BainsBane]

8. The advantage of this whole episode

Is that we can see what people's values really are. We have people who claim to stand for a movement to the left but oppose leftist activism and insist people of color need to be deferential to the political elite. We see reverence for authority and anti-egalitarianism, and we see exactly why racism is so prevalent in this society. Clearly their version of politics is limited to their their own race and class to the exclusion of the majority. There is nothing to respect or admire about such a view of politics, anymore than when those on the right demonstrate the same views. In taking the low ground, they have laid themselves bare. The self-appointed emperors have no clothes.

[MADem]

116. I have taken to calling it "situational integrity." nt

[BainsBane]

121. situational integrity

is the absence of integrity, IMO.

[MADem]

139. Well, yeah...

That's kind of my point.

It's all about fronting a stance of "integrity" when it's convenient, as opposed to living a life of integrity 24/7.

[Cha]

136. AKA/Hypocrites of the highest order. Short on "integrity" and long on

Hypocrisy.

[arcane1]

13. "Obama did not pause his speech or acknowledge the interruption"

In other words, he did a worse job than Bernie did

[geek tragedy]

37. he was giving a speech in front of thousands nt

[aikoaiko]

25. What interruption was that? No one commented on the protesters because they didn't interfere.

Here's the video. The drumming and chanting is almost imperceptible.

What does the word interrupt mean to you?

[JI7]

29. because of the secret service

The point is they do protest him and others.

Some Sanders supporters are taking it too personally.

It would have happened if it was Hillary and Chafee up there instead of Sanders and O'malley.

[aikoaiko]

45. That may the OP's point, that that's not what bothered Sanders and O'Malley supporters (IMO)

They were not upset because of a BLM presence, but because they interrupted and interfered dramatically with the speakers' ability to communicate with those who wanted to hear what they had to say.

BLM did not interrupt President Obama as this OP states.

There was a big difference in these protests.

[JI7]

49. But it's not just that. people are bringing up conspiracy theories

Demanding why don't they go after Obama and making it like it was personal towards sanders .

It's ok to be upset with how it was done and disagree with it but much of it has gone beyond that.

[JustAnotherGen]

50. I haven't encountered an O'Malley supporter at DU

Or in real life - or in our little grass roots organization group in my town -

That is upset about the interruption.

What I'm seeing a lot of is - it was a blessing - because it got him in front of not ONE - but TWO - reporters who influence black women/have them in their venue.

Because of our criminal justice system - many - too many black men have lost their ability to vote. Black women - we CAN vote.

O'Malley sitting down with Goldie and TWIB immediately after the disruption was a gift to the campaign.

I hang in other places that just DU - that TWIB video is picking up steam.

[bettyellen]

33. The point is they did protest to Obama as well- and have plans for Hilary

Too. Because there were tons of ignorant posts claiming Sanders was singled out. He was not.

[aikoaiko]

48. I'll repeat my post in #45.

Sanders and O'Malley supporters were not upset because of a BLM presence, but because they interrupted and interfered dramatically with the speakers' ability to communicate with those who wanted to hear what they had to say.

BLM did not interrupt President Obama as this OP states.

There was a big difference in these protests.

[JI7]

52. which O'malley supporters are upset ?

From what i see most of them are not upset

[JustAnotherGen]

56. You are correct!

[JustAnotherGen]

54. Where are the O'Malley supporters that are upset?

I haven't seen a single post like that in the O'Malley group.

I have seen an understanding of the action (I think O'Malley appeals to the empathetic) - and I've also seen our confidence in our candidate's credentials shine through.

[aikoaiko]

64. well, I don't keep track of who is for who.

But I seem to recall some O'Malley supports unhappy that they candidate wasn't given a chance to speak or effectively answer questions. Perhaps I was wrong and you all loved it.

[JustAnotherGen]

71. It definitely opened a door for him

And I want him completely vetted and challenged. The more people see how he doesn't run from confrontation - the better.

[bettyellen]

57. There were vast issues of aces due to the venues and the fact that

The president is harder to get to. They protested both. Not sure what the big deal is. O'Malleys supporters didn't whine about him being singled out- or that it was part of a Clinton Soros plot or any of this crazy hostile stuff you see from others.
Quite a bizarre bunch of reactions here.

[LittleBlue]

42. /thread

If they had treated Obama the same way they treated Sanders, the same crowd would be throwing BLM under the bus in 1 second flat. In fact the crowd was telling BLM to shut up in Selma before they were forced by police to stop.

[JustAnotherGen]

59. I'd like to see that specific clip

In the about 30 minute video - do you know where it starts?

[aikoaiko]

79. You can't really hear the protesters in the clip of Obama speaking

I did find this edited clip FWIW. If you turn it up you can hear Pres. Obama speaking.

[JustAnotherGen]

99. As I thought . . .

There are an awful lot of older black folks in that crowd.

I'm surprised I didn't here -

Stop actin' the fool!
Hush your filthy mouth!
Children ought to be seen and not heard!
Ya'll are goin' for bad!


Sorry - my dad was a 'bama man and I grew up with these folks and this sub culture - totally totally NOT surprised someone told them to hush on up!

[LittleBlue]

90. Here is video

It was reported by journalists at the scene too

As he spoke, a group of protesters wearing shirts with airbrushed portraits of those killed by police started banging on drums and chanted, “Ferguson is here. We want change!” and “This is what democracy looks like.”

Obama did not pause his speech or acknowledge the interruption. But some older people in the crowd became angry, shouting at the young protesters: “Your vote is your voice! Get registered!”

A few of the demonstrators were removed by state troopers, and the rest agreed to remain silent.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/03/07/3631178/black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-obama-selma/

People around them are telling BLM to shut up.

[JustAnotherGen]

101. I'm taking my aunts -

Aunt Clara, Dorothy (she's got a touch of Madea in her), Lela, and Deoliver to NRN next year.

This way - when the crowd gets rowdy - they can put a verbal beating on them!

Not a black person my age doesn't know not to listen to your Aunties when they tell you to shut your mouth!

[LittleBlue]

107. I noticed that too

They had time to argue with the guy in the distance, but once she came up they were suddenly "yes ma"am" "no ma'am". After that, they had impeccable manners.

[JustAnotherGen]

111. Because they know

And little secret - even my nieces and nephews in Italy (I gained through marriage) know that 'Antie A' (they don't call me Zia) is the eternal ever giving fairy god mother -

But don't cross her.

Don't cross that woman!

There are 13 of them - between my family and my husband's family.

From 3 to 22 - they all know when I say to "hush" or "tranquile" I freakin' mean it!

[NOLALady]

113. I heard them but they were a distance away.

I couldn't figure out what they were saying.

But, if I were anywhere near I would have joined the other Aunties who shut that thing down!

[JustAnotherGen]

114. This is what I'm saying NOLA

would have joined the other Aunties who shut that thing down

[karynnj]

26. Look at the different reaction of those in charge and those attending in the two places

Both the audience and the state troopers did not allow an extended confrontation by the protesters of Obama -- and the audience included people who were unhappy with the protesters.

I personally have called them none of those names. What I do think is that they were not looking for a real conversation and there was actually NOTHING either O'Malley or Sanders could have said that would have made them happy.

[BeyondGeography]

32. An utterly lame comparison

[geek tragedy]

43. People were insisting that BLM protestors were targetting Bernie and singling him out

as part of an AfroHillarySorosRoveAtwaterCorporate conspiracy to drag Bernie down.

Plus plenty of people complaining that the BLM activists "completely ignore" Obama, because of course they assume that black protestors give Obama a pass because of his skin color.

These kind of comments are helping Hillary pad her margin amongst black voters.

[BeyondGeography]

63. Well that's all wrong, too, imo

Watch the Cenk tape; this looked very spontaneous and, whether it was encouraged or happened organically, extremely emotional. And it literally spilled onto the stage. O'Malley lost the microphone to Tia Oso and both candidates were shouted down, which is why I don't see the comparison here at all.

These were very young adults and their rage is real and justified. When I was that age I couldn't control myself either. They need effective leadership and they obviously didn't have it on Saturday. When Patrisse Cullors comes out with the statement that neither Sanders nor O'Malley was sufficiently humble, it's not a leap of judgment to conclude they were being egged on.

[geek tragedy]

70. that's how activists are a lot of times though. BLM in particular has been a very

spontaneous movement--flash protests in cities, etc.

A lot of the same criticisms being directed at BLM were directed at OWS.

[BeyondGeography]

86. At least OWS targeted the right people

They never misfired as badly as BLM did on Saturday.

[geek tragedy]

88. OWS targeted the wrong people. They didn't occupy corporate headquarters, they occupied

public parks. They didn't fight corporate America at all, they fought local city governments for the right to live on public park land.

You think the guys working at Citigroup's headquarters in midtown Manhattan even saw an OWS protestor?

[BeyondGeography]

102. C'mon, you're a New Yorker

Midtown sucks. Can't get anything on there.

Did OWS ever disrupt a Sanders event?

[geek tragedy]

105. What Sanders events?

Yeah, midtown sucks, but that's where the bankers are. If the goal is fuck their shit up, that's where you go.

That's also where all the media outlets are.

[Larkspur]

36. The BLM NN15 protesters are hypocrites

Since 2009 we have had a AA President and an AA Attorney General, yet the recent police brutality cases happened under their tenure.
Did Obama, Holder and Lynn drop the ball?

The BLM NN15 protesters acted like toddlers, not non-violent protesters. it was obvious that they did not want to have a conversation with O'Malley and Sanders. They just wanted to hijack the stage for their own narrow interests and egos.
There were Latinos in attendance who would have liked to have their issues addressed, but the BLM NN15 protesters did not care about them or anyone else.

I liked what some of the Selma march attendees told the BLM protesters at their event, "Your vote is your voice. Get registered to vote!" I would add, "Run for office, yourself, if you don't like what current politicians are doing!"

[geek tragedy]

39. "hypocrites .. toddlers .. narrow interests and egos"

Outreach, U R doing it wrong.

[Larkspur]

51. Outreach is no my goal. I'm exercising my First Amendment right to criticize BLM NN15 protesters

and am not apologizing for criticizing their ego-driven antics.

Like their critics at the Selma 50th Anniversary March said, "Your vote is your voice. Register to vote!" And I'll say it again, "BLM protesters should run for office if they don't like the politicians we currently have."

[bravenak]

60. .

You guys have been whining for DAYS. It's getting tired. Berniesoblack he teaches YOU how to chacha slide.

Don't worry, you have the rest of the day to spend correcting black activists and ranting about how UNRULY those negroes are and how they should BEHAVE. They can be so uppity and demanding, right? Lol! I know! Screaming about dying in the streets and being locked in prison. Your issues are MUCH MUCH more important. How Dare those unruly negroes interrupt Sanders to try to save their own lives and bring attention to the death and racism. After all he's done for them. Gah!

[mcar]

149. bravenak I tip my hat to you

No one on this board can say that you haven't tried. And tried. And tried.

[bravenak]

150. it makes me sleepy, but it is a labor of love. I really do love DU and want to help.

[mcar]

154. I've hated seeing so many fine

AfAm DUers stop posting lately because of what's been happening here.

This white woman "of a certain age" hears you. I am listening and with each tragedy and travesty my empathy and anger grow.

[bravenak]

155. I hate it too. And we are getting no new black posters, which is scary.

They party is filled with black people, why are we missing from here? I know why but, damn. It sucks.

[mcar]

158. It does suck

The Democratic party IS diversity. It's a crying shame DU doesn't reflect that.

[JustAnotherGen]

69. Latinos in the audience . . .

I think they might have learned if from the Dreamers?

Dreamers interrupt Kay Hagan – don’t deport our friends!

http://www.latinorebels.com/2014/10/26/dreamers-interrupt-sen-kay-hagan-friends-dont-deport-friends/

That time they interrupted President Obama:
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/obama-heckle-immigration-advocates-112456.html

President Barack Obama can’t seem to get through a big public speech without being heckled by immigration reform advocates.

Obama was interrupted five times on Sunday afternoon in Connecticut and a few more times in the weeks leading up to Election Day: small groups of mostly young adults shouting out, demanding the president act to stop deportations of undocumented immigrants.

The president’s response has been the same each time — he’s not the guy they should be heckling.

“I gave you relief administratively, and we’re going to work on the next one,” he said Sunday in Bridgeport. “So I support you. I’m with you. I’m with you. I’m with you. And you need to go protest the Republicans. Because I’m not the one blocking it.”

I applaud the Dreamers and I applaud the BLM team! Disrupt little pups! Disrupt! It's your time! It's your country! Disrupt!

[Lisa D]

126. You bring up Obama and Holder? Really?

So brutality against African Amerians should only be addressed by other AAs? White folks can just sit back and relax?

[Larkspur]

137. Obama and Lynn are in power NOW

why don't they use it to stop police brutality now?

Holder was AG since 2009. He did not address it until Ferguson. And still it keeps happening.

Or is police brutality a larger issue than just what a President and his Attorney General and any single politican can do?

[nadinbrzezinski]

147. From covering the issue

Or is police brutality a larger issue than just what a President and his Attorney General and any single politican can do?

Yes,

And they are actually trying... I forgive you for not knowing about the Policing in the 21st Century Commission for example Most media did not cover it.

You can go to my site, and read not just a couple stories on it, but the actual interim and final reports. We did link to them. They are LLLOOOONGGGGG policy reading.

Send me a PM and I will send you a link to the actual stories if you are so interested.

But this issue has a long structural tail and it will take more than just one or two presidents or executive orders. But that commission study, done with activists, police et al, is a solid start.

[pansypoo53219]

61. how far before they become the westboro of the left?

now, i am ALL for the black lives matter. but why piss off your ALLIES??? go after the clown car riders.

[geek tragedy]

66. the fact that you're comparing them to Westboro Baptist indicates you are not ALL for them nt

[seveneyes]

62. Did the protesters first Tweet that white progressives are gonna get schooled?

Did state troopers remove any BLM hecklers from the netroots gig?
Did the Obama protesters let him finish speaking?
Were the acoustics similar to the netroots ambush?

[geek tragedy]

65. Do you think hysterical overreactions to this help Bernie? nt

[seveneyes]

72. No more than the hysterical defense of the netroots hecklers help the BLM cause

Hysterics are rarely any better than hypocrisy. Intelligent solutions are much better paths to take.

[geek tragedy]

74. What defenses have been 1/100th as hysterical as comparing the BLM

activists to Lee Atwater or calling them Communists and thugs?

[seveneyes]

82. The "white progressives" slag to start with

The Atwater/Communist/thugs/ is no better or worse. All thoughtless attacks are bad enough to condemn.

[geek tragedy]

85. Oh jeez. As a white person, i can say that a lot of white progressives do need to be

a lot less hypersensitive about this shit.

[seveneyes]

93. For a shade that encompass there entire visible spectrum, white is only used as a pejorative

There is no valid reason for it.

[geek tragedy]

94. I guess that's the cross we have to bear in exchange for:

longer lives
superior health
greater personal wealth
greater educational opportunities
greater personal income
greater political power
having our lives valued more by society
having our civil rights respected by police

I'm sure black folks will have a crying towel for those who cannot bear the horrible burden of being white in America.

[Lisa D]

127. +1000

But something tells me that's not going to happen

[malaise]

67. LOL - good spot

Folks are very selective with their outrage -Maybe Obama doesn't matter like the rest of the BLs.

[4139]

76. BLM Not mentioned in the article, how do you know it was BLM?

[geek tragedy]

78. did you read the headline?

Black Lives Matter Protesters Interrupt Obama In Selma

[4139]

91. Yes, but again. It mentioned in the article...

That may have been just injected by who ever wrote the headline.... I find it odd that it wasnt in the article

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. Black folks ain't even equal when it comes to heckling. Just ask Lord Cenk Ugyr.

This is what Cenk thinks of "black" hecklers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6994251


However, this is what he & most of his gang think of "white" Obama hecklers:

To say there's a double standard would be a monumental understatement. On issues important to Cenk & his fanbois, civil disobedience is necessary. Obviously, on issues he doesn't give a shit about, disruption is "rude". Don't these idiots know there's video?

I keep asking, but never get a satisfactory answer. Are these so-called "liberals" really allies? I mean, I know Cenk is a recovering Republican, but he's still a smug, hypocritical POS.

[bravenak]

92. White folks heckling black folks is cool. Black folks best not heckle white folks.

I love how they keep pointing out their tokens to us to prove we are wrong.

[geek tragedy]

95. "But Tavis Smiley agrees with me." nt

[bravenak]

97. And Cornell West. The bobsey twins of Obama hate.

[geek tragedy]

98. I laugh when I see white people refer to "brother west." nt

[bravenak]

100. Gawd. They be dead ass serious too. Like it makes them black for a while through osmosis.

[YoungDemCA]

109. Which one?

Allen or Cornel?

I guess it applies in both cases.

[JustAnotherGen]

119. Ooooooooh - oooooh youngdem

You went there! Dayum!

[Tarheel_Dem]

106. Can you believe the shit we're reading on "Democratic" Underground? I don't think we've come....

as far as we think we have. And obviously, "allies" means something completely different.

[bravenak]

110. Just as racist as always. They do not understand being told about it neither.

They act like they housepets just jumped up and bit them.

[Tarheel_Dem]

128. The only thing that changed in these two situations is the race of the disruptor, and the race of...

the disrupted. Go figure....

[bravenak]

129. Hmmmm.

So strange. Wonders never cease.

[JustAnotherGen]

118. I've never been a fan of his

Not to totally side bar this - but it's been more the WAY he communicates.

Now that I know this - I won't even read transcripts anymore.

[Tarheel_Dem]

132. I don't bother with Cenk. Major league asshole & I don't trust his "conversion". $$$$$$$

Uygur was a registered Republican in his youth, a supporter of President Ronald Reagan, and a member of the Republican student group at the University of Pennsylvania,<7> and the conservative Federalist Society, describing himself as a "Northeast moderate Republican", and a former hawk, having supported the Gulf War and until 2009, the War in Afghanistan (though he has strongly opposed the Second Iraq War).<8> When covering the 2010 midterm elections on November 2, 2010, Uygur stated that he had previously worked for a time for Republican former New York Congressman Joe DioGuardi, who was defeated by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand that night in his bid for her Senate seat.<9>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x904508

[JustAnotherGen]

144. I didn't know this part of his history n/t

[LittleBlue]

96. Video: BLM told to shut up by attendees at Selma

Confirmed here
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/03/07/3631178/black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-obama-selma/

They were barely audible on stage, too.

So is it now okay for Sanders supporters to get mad that they wanted to hear their candidate speak but were shouted down?

[bravenak]

103. What's not okay is how they have been acting for the past few days.

I have never seen such victims of black oppression in my life. They done bullied everydamn black person on twitter and anywhere else they can find them on the internet. They need to check each other instead of bitching about how mean black people are to Bernie and get over it.

[JustAnotherGen]

104. Sanders supporters should have shouted the same things back

No one had the chutzpah to do it!

They could have. Seriously -they chose not to. It's like - they were afraid of those young women!

The people in that crowd - they'll swat you if you don't do what they tell you to do - doesn't matter how grown you THINK you are.

That includes you and me - I'm 42 and I still won't talk back to my dad's surviving sisters.

[YoungDemCA]

108. Those poor, poor white people, getting their feelings hurt by the angry and scary black people

[Larkspur]

138. BLM NN15 protesters and their supporters cry like toddlers when they face criticism

The First Amendment still rules for everyone.

How many of the BLM NN15 are registered to vote? How many of them actually vote? Are any of them and their supporters thinking of running for elected office?

[geek tragedy]

143. Your hatred for BLM protestors is really sickening and you should probably

excuse yourself from such conversations before you alienate any more potential Bernie voters.

Treating black folks like children--which you have done repeatedly in this thread--and making shit up (did you see any of those protestors "crying like toddlers? No, you didn't, so that's a just a lie) about them is not going to earn a single vote for Bernie.

Your assumption that they don't vote is also rather . .. odd

[Doctor_J]

153. As is your hatred for those who like Sanders

[bravenak]

156. Gawd

[JustAnotherGen]

164. That's all she's got geek

I outlined the founders in 3 posts below. I don't think this person will be coming back to be petulant and throw a tantrum again.

[Larkspur]

165. In 2008 I was an Anyone But Hillary voter and still am today

She's a whore for Wall Street, just like her husband.

Have not tossed my hat into anyone's ring yet.

I don't hate BLM protesters. I'm a critic of BLM NN15 hecklers who hijacked a stage and acted llike toddlers, imo.
I have a 1st Amendment right to criticize BLM NN15 hecklers and those that don't like it are hypocrites.

I want to hear those BLM NN15 protesters explain to me why a AA President and an AA Attorney General have not stopped police brutality against AAs? Why are they only saying that white Democratic Prez candidates have to resolve the issue? Why aren't they protesting at the WH and the AG's office?

[geek tragedy]

166. There's so much toxic awfulness and hate in your post it's hard

to know where to begin.

1. Calling Hillary Clinton a "whore"--repulsive.

2. Again referring to black protestors as children.

3. Disagreeing with you does not make a person a hypocrite.

4. THIS FUCKING THREAD IS ABOUT THEM PROTESTING OBAMA. Yet you persist with this borderline racist insinuation that they give Obama a break because he's black.

5. Putting you on ignore. Yuck.

[JustAnotherGen]

159. I don't think Alicia Garza has time

http://www.domesticworkers.org/staff/alicia-garza

[JustAnotherGen]

160. Patrisse Cullors doesn't have time to run for office either

http://ellabakercenter.org/node/489

http://ellabakercenter.org/about/staff-and-board



http://dignityandpowernow.org

In 2011, the ACLU launched a class action lawsuit against the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department for abuses in the jail system. Having read the the 86 page report, Patrisse Cullors decided to create a performance art piece that highlighted her brother’s story of being abused in the county jails while dissolving the disconnect between the conditions inside custody and the community outside. That piece became STAINED: An Intimate Portrayal of State Violence. After a year of touring the piece around Los Angeles County it became clear that audiences wanted to do more than watch the piece – they wanted to change the county jail system. The Coalition to End Sheriff Violence project was born.

[JustAnotherGen]

161. Opal Tometi might have time but . . .

http://www.blackalliance.org/about/bajistaff/

She's still pretty busy - like doing things you know?

BAJI’s Staff
Opal Tometi, BAJI Executive Director
Opal Tometi is a Black feminist writer, communications strategist and cultural organizer. She is a co-founder of #BlackLivesMatter, the historic political project and leader-full network was launched in the wake of the murder of Trayvon Martin in order to explicitly combat implicit bias and anti-black racism and to protect and affirm the beauty and dignity of all Black lives. Ms. Tometi is currently at the helm of the country’s leading Black organization for immigrant rights, the Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI), a national organization that educates and advocates to further immigrant rights and racial justice together with African-American, Afro-Latino, African and Caribbean immigrant communities.

As the executive director at BAJI, Opal collaborates with staff and communities in Los Angeles, Phoenix, New York, Oakland, Washington, DC and communities throughout the Southern states. The organization’s most recent campaign helped win family reunification visas for Haitians displaced by the 2010 earthquake. Ms. Tometi holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in History and a Masters of Arts degree in Communication and Advocacy.  The daughter of Nigerian immigrants, she grew up in Phoenix, Arizona where she is a board member of the Puente Movement. She currently resides in Brooklyn, New York where she loves riding her single speed bike and collecting African art.

[JustAnotherGen]

162. The Google is Fundamental

Uh - you would have known they weren't just - uh - accomplished if you had.

The difference between their activism and OWS types is they are organized and effective. Like - they DO things.


I want O'Malley's team all over these three.

One - he can have a convo. Check out his TWIB interview.

Two - he's not afraid of angry black women - he runs towards us. Again check out his interviews after the ambush at NRN.

And three - we need their help.

Four - they know HOW to help.

Learn their names - they just kicked Tavis Smiley and Cornel West in the teeth!

[jalan48]

123. Good for Obama!

[No Vested Interest]

125. "Your vote is your voice!"

That's the bottom line.

[SoapBox]

130. March 7, 2015

Some were removed...the rest agreed to remain silent.

Gee, guess they didn't get too far with the President of the United States.

And I couldn't agree more...Your voice is your vote...get registered.

[geek tragedy]

131. As is the case with the President's multiple hecklers on a variety of topics.

But there also wasn't a crazy backlash from hyperdefensive white people

[Solly Mack]

142. K&R

[nadinbrzezinski]

146. 'nother piece that IMHO belongs in GD-P

I guess the site should just dispose of it and just let all be posted here.

Oy.

[Doctor_J]

152. why don't yu take the Sanders avatar off?

you never have anything positive to say about him. You're basically campaiging for Clinton.

[bravenak]

157. Bullies never prosper.