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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt became clear to me today that the Republicans have been caught with their pants down
when it comes to Obama's Iran deal. Watching Morning Joe today I was struck by how badly they are taking this turn of events. They "got nuthin'" with respect to Iran just like they "got nuthin'" with an alternative to Obamacare when they had their own words "repeal and replace" stuffed back in their faces. When challenged about their replacement for Obamacare, they stuttered and muttered and then fell silent (one poor lame republican actually said "well, how about "health savings accounts?"
Geez, these folks are sad sacks indeed...
RussBLib
(9,003 posts)...a whole lot of American citizens are also "sad sacks" too, and they hang on their every word.
spanone
(135,795 posts)they have nothing to offer anyone.
no vision.
no plans.
nothing.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)them any significant, issue related questions they do Just fine!
The art of "Wearing Big-Boy Pants" was simply an illusion all along.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)with it, imo...the question is....can they (infinitely) keep up the façade?
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)eventually, this stuff catches up with them. Like today. Joe looked pretty mad this morning but he has no one to blame but his own party for being lazy in addition to mean and spiteful.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)that you can watch MSNBC MJ
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)Also, embarrassing for them...I almost felt sorry for them...Mika was barely able to keep from smirking in Joe's face, esp. when her dad got on and quietly finished the new one that Madeleine Albright had torn them earlier...
fredamae
(4,458 posts)I admire those that can and do suffer the idiots on Corp Media. I tried..I really did...but the bs just pisses me off too much- mostly because I cannot dive into the debate in person...lol
But, what you witnessed today certainly would have been great fun to watch.
Thank you for sharing
Darb
(2,807 posts)You mean "gotcha questions"?
deutsey
(20,166 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Or with Donald Trump and you notice there are some big dark-skinned guys at the table next to yours...
Or Ted Cruz, who will shut down the bar if they don't have what he wants on the menu...
Or Mike Huckabee and someone puts on the devil's music: Rock'n'Roll...
Or Marco Rubio and you start arguing whether the Cold War was good or bad...
Or Rick Santorum and you ask him "Your last-name sounds so familiar..."
Or Scott Walker, who will sneak out and leave you to pay the bill, only to claim later that this was some underling's idea and he had no idea how it made it into the final draft because he would never do that...
PaddyIrishman
(110 posts)Mira
(22,380 posts)especially the Santorum reminder
bemildred
(90,061 posts)He really is very good, Obama, when he wants to be. It's a very good move. It changes everything in ways that make sense. But he has to make it stick. The War Party will not take this lying down.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)Schumer may be key here. Knowing NY as I do, I don't think his entire Jewish constituency is against this deal. They certainly want reassurances but I don't think they will all just fall in line behind Israel's arguments against it. Just as they don't all just love Bibi...
yardwork
(61,539 posts)kairos12
(12,843 posts)Johnny2X2X
(18,973 posts)They were caught with nothing when if they would have been paying attention they would have known that Obama was laying the ground work for this deal even before he took office. Obama has worked for 7 years to get this deal done, 7 years and the Republicans still didn't see it coming.
This was a brilliant long strategy that utilized the Republicans ignorance and saber rattling to get a better deal done. Of course they are blind sided, they are playing checkers while Obama is playing chess at a grand master level.
Saying he'd talk to Iran before he was even elected, his goodwill tour of the Middle East after he was elected, holding the coalition together and increasing the sanctions. These were all with yesterday in mind. He even counted on Bibi to strengthen the deal with his over reaction yesterday, Netanhayu's words have helped cement this deal for the Iranians, if he hates it, it must be a good deal for them. Obama used everything to his advantage. This was a masterpiece.
rladdi
(581 posts)They are saying NAY to the Iran deal without reading it first. They are most trigger happy in voicing opinions without having any knowledge of what they are saying NO too. Speaker Boehner does this all the time. It just NAY, because it is Obama that the Republicans hate. They will destroy the USA before they agree to any PEACE efforts. We just need to see what G. Bush did to us with the Republicans agreement.
niyad
(113,074 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)but no sex threads in GD so I'll just stop there...
niyad
(113,074 posts)Kablooie
(18,612 posts)the Bush plan.
You complain about them loudly while doing nothing and when they get the bomb you go in and nuke them before they can use it.
Nuclear war has always been their preferred solution.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)credibility problem.
They are making the same argument in reverse that they used to go to war. They are just plain out of ideas. They take the same tired rhetoric and just fill in the blanks and hope people buy into it.
randome
(34,845 posts)They are swirling down the drain.
Bree Newsome's 'capture' of the Confederate Flag will be seen as the seminal event that marks the end of the GOP.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
vlyons
(10,252 posts)I did a Buddhist Vipassana retreat last weekend, and how the mind works was the point of focus. I feel so sorry for republicans, because their minds are filled with fear, hatred, and envy. There's no openness for other possibilities. They are stuck in an ideology that is selfish (to say the least!) and mean-spirited. Totally unwilling to give peace a chance. Well so much for love your enemies. Peace on earth, good will towards men. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.
Very good article on KOS about why the US has very limited options with regard to Iran. Waging war will most certainly make the Iranians hunch down and develop nuclear war capabilites. More sanctions are NOT supported by Germany, Britain, et al. and our current sanctions will unravel if the deal is rejected by the Senate. Europe and China wants to trade with Iran, and are not highly motivated to grant more sanctions.
republicans don't get nuance and NEVER consider the long-term consequences of their policies and actions. Hatred makes you stupid.
Sarva Mangalam!
calimary
(81,125 posts)They simply HAVE TO criticize. They're stuck in a rut. They HAVE TO find fault. Because. Because Benghazi or some other lame excuse. They really, seriously, truly DO "got nuthin'". That's all they have and all they know. They aren't in the White House so they don't get to set policy and do the leading, they don't get to be direct, active participants. OUR team gets to be the direct, active participants. They're stuck on the sidelines and all they can do is whine and complain - from the SIDELINES. That's all they've got. Piss-ants and Sore Losermen - ALL. It's knee-jerk stuff. It's not their ball. So all they can do is sit with the other spectators, OFF the field, and complain and snipe-snipe-snipe. It's all they've got.
They don't HAVE anything. They've seriously "got nuthin'" because it's their basic belief. They don't like government. They don't like big government. They don't even like so-called SMALL government, which they yap about in every speech and grandstanding moment, and then when they whittle it down, they STILL yap about how their newly whittled-down "small government" still isn't quite small enough.
I put it down to arrested development. What I think we see here is the acting out of many adult-size spoiled brats who grew up being told that they don't have to listen to anybody and they don't have to follow anybody and they don't have to be led by anybody, and they don't have to take guidance or follow rules from anybody else. The rules don't apply to them anyway. They're the little bitty infant tantrum throwers stomping their fat pudgy little baby feet and yowling "NO ONE IS THE BOSS OF MEEEE!!!!!!!!" I've seen so many of them insist "NOBODY tells ME what to do." Look at cliven bundy and company, for example (and that's just ONE example). They don't want rules. They don't want regulations. They don't want restrictions - even the wise and reasonable and well-vetted ones. They don't think they should HAVE TO. They don't want to be told what to do - by ANYBODY. Even the law.
I think they're really just anarchists. Our Founders worked and warred and struggled awfully hard for many years, and risked everything, to construct a government that would address their realistic needs. These latter-day assholes who dare to wear those three-cornered hats and call themselves old-fashioned "patriots" and "originalists" and whatever fancy title they just made up to make it sound all credible and important and official-like - to harken back to THOSE times. When the Founders wrote the documents and what their original intent was and blah-blah-blah. But they take all that colonial and revolutionary effort and SHIT on it. They sure want to tear all that down - the work of what they CLAIM they revere.
That's why they don't have ANYTHING to offer after they've taken your newly-affordable health care program away.
That's why they don't have ANYTHING to offer after they've taken your Social Security away.
That's why they don't have ANYTHING to offer after they've taken your Medicare away.
That's why they don't have ANYTHING to offer after they've taken the safety regulations and worker protections away.
That's why they don't have ANYTHING to offer after they've taken the voting rights away from the carefully-selected groups they've targeted.
That's why. And on. And on. And on. Because they don't think they should have to! And they don't want to help you or anybody else in need of help. They don't think they should have to. Some of 'em have actually said that's what the churches are supposed to be there to do. They don't want ANY government at all. I wonder how soon they'll decide that we shouldn't have traffic lights because - heaven forbid, that's something else imposed on them from on high, making them do something they just might not feel like doing at any given time - to stop for opposing traffic, because it works for the GREATER GOOD. I don't need to worry about anybody else. It's all about ME ME ME, and my three favorite people: Me, Myself, and I. And nobody's allowed OR authorized to tell ANY of those three people what to do. That's the essence of that "sovereign citizen" crap we hear about every now and then, these days.
THEY SUCK. What they want, and envision, and fantasize about, is unrealistic, impractical, unworkable, anti-social, mean-spirited, selfish, thoughtless, reckless, ill-informed, ill-advised, immature, greedy, entirely UN-CHRISTIAN, and just plain WRONG.
They don't want government? Okay. Well, then, that renders them, BY DEFINITION, unfit to govern. Because they get into power and all they want to do is tear it all down. ANARCHY is what they really want. And not one of them is ready or willing to admit it. Sometimes I feel as though they don't really even KNOW what they want. But that IS what they want - total ANARCHY. Because there just shouldn't be ANYBODY or ANY entity out there that gets to tell them what to do.
And they sure as hell won't accept any such directives from a black guy.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)offices?
Omaha Steve
(99,500 posts)IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,603 posts)In their minds, it consists of making decisions based on half-baked ideas and intelligence and barking orders.
Whe Dubya called himself "The Decider" the sheeple on the right were all agog at what a firm leader he was. Meanwhile anybody with any sense at all, when they heard that one, was thinking
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)The Republicans are really upset that President Obama and the Iranian leaders have struck a deal. It makes pushing a path toward all out war more difficult.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)but this is a new era, when people need not be ashamed of who and what they are. Witness Donald Trump. An open, no dog whistles racist, rushing to second in the pack despite having no public office experience.
Punx
(446 posts)Have had nuthin to offer the American people since Eisenhower. One could argue Teddy Roosevelt.
Well except "Hate" and "Death/Poverty"
Scuba
(53,475 posts)"It only lasts 10 years."
"It doesn't address every other problem on the planet."
"We should start the bombing now."
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)That's 10 years longer than anything they've done...
Scuba
(53,475 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)now they're just spewing shit and can't think of anything better to say...
Kennah
(14,234 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Will it be North Korea or Russia?