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[Maraya1969]

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[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Trolling the Christians?

That just gives the RW more ammo in their persecution complex.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. The headline is a lie, right wing spin from a right wing site. Here are links to their pages on

Immigration and Muslims for your consideration:

"THIS Horrific Attack is EXACTLY What Donald Trump Was Talking About"
http://toprightnews.com/category/immigration/

"Muslim Chief of Police Under Fire For Refusing to Salute Flag During Pledge of Allegiance"
http://toprightnews.com/category/islam/


Do you think those headlines are accurate reporting? That second story, note the photo of Obama. Then come talk about trolling....

[Maraya1969]

39. I saw that but then I checked and one of the big shows, like cbs reported on it

[mucifer]

2. I don't think they should have tax exempt status. But,

they should have the right to officiate the marriages they want. I wouldn't want the government to force my rabbi to officiate interfaith weddings if he didn't want to.

That said they really do need to take away that tax exempt status.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. You do understand that what you are saying is exactly what the LGBT activist called for?

No suggestion of shutting anything down nor of forcing anyone to do anything, just the idea that a group that is active in political actions against another group should not get tax breaks to help then in their attacks on others.
The OP cites a right wing hate site that is hostile toward LGBT and toward Muslims, repeats their headline as if it is accurate and most on DU seem to be swallowing that baited hook nicely.

[jberryhill]

3. That video has nothing to do with churches

[dembotoz]

4. Just love it when group make santorum look like a sage

This will be milked like a herd of cows

[Renew Deal]

5. This is probably a setup.

[closeupready]

8. A kind of false flag operation.

that was my first thought, as well.

[MohRokTah]

6. All churches should lose tax exempt status.

They never kept up their side of the bargain for getting tax exempt status in the first place. They were supposed to take care of the poor so the government didn't have to. Instead, they enriched their clergy, abused children, and did very little to keep the government from having to step in and take care of the poor.

[gratuitous]

10. Really? Broad brush much?

Your premise is nonsense. Show me where churches are "supposed to take care of the poor so the government didn't have to." Because I can point you to the preamble to the Constitution, which says it's up to "We the People" to promote the general welfare, which we seem to be doing a piss-poor job of.

Our little congregation provided a hot meal for 23 people today. We'll do the same tomorrow and every day thereafter until the day of the next Super Bowl, when we'll put together soup packets for the local sharing agency. At that time, we'll provide the basics for 25 people (or more) to enjoy a hot meal every day for a year.

Two weeks ago, we sent a team of people to a flood-devastated area in Washington to help rebuild two houses. We'll send another team there in September or October.

What have you done to feed the hungry and house the homeless? Pay your taxes? Bully for you. So have I. And through my church I've also gone above and beyond because our elected representatives have prioritized building useless fighter jets over taking care of our citizens. What are you doing about that, besides ignorantly whining about churches?

[MohRokTah]

11. FACT: Churches did not have a tax exempt status until 1913.

FACT: The argument made by churches to hve tax exempt status is that churches take care of the poor so the government doesn't have to.

Churches have not kept up their end of the bargain. Tax them as the scams they are.

[gratuitous]

12. No link, no fact

Assertion isn't argument. But thanks for playing.

[WillowTree]

16. FACT: The Federal income tax as we know it today wasn't instituted until 1913.

[ChazII]

34. gratutious, thank you for your excellent defense

for standing up to the ignorant who speak before they think. I am involved with two churches, one Episcopalian and the other an American Baptist. BOTH have ministries that reach out to the community.

FBCS has two dinners week that serve the community. One of the dinners is with Celebrate Recovery but one does not have to be a member of the groups in order to get a meal. FBCS also has a clothing bank (see link for video) that is open three days a week. Food, clothing, children's books and kitchen ware are free to anyone who needs it.

Like your church we send teams to help where help is needed. We are having an ice cream social next Sunday with all funds going toward a medical mission. A team from our church is headed to Haiti next month. Other teams have helped build whatever the particular community needs.

http://www.fbcscottsdale.org/ministries/missions/


St. Stephen's Episcopal Church has a food bank that is open each Wednesday. They work with St. Mary's Food Bank and that food bank does receive funds from the gov't. That being said, St. Stephen's does have to pay for the food we receive. We are small and rely on donations from the congregation.

Since St. Mary's Food bank does NOT supply turkeys at Thanksgiving the congregation steps up and last year we were able to give 75 families a turkey for Thanksgiving plus the trimmings. This was in addition to the box the family received for that month.

It is sad that many here at DU do not recognize the small community churches and how they silently help. Sort of like when Jesus told us to pray in silence, your church and mine, do our service in silence.

[jberryhill]

14. There are a lot of non-profit organizations...

...which (a) are not taxed and (b) don't do anything for the poor.

[MohRokTah]

18. No organizations should be exempt from taxes. eom

[onenote]

29. Then I certainly hope you aren't deducting contributions you make to 501(c)(3) organizations.

[MohRokTah]

30. I do my taxes under the tax code we have, not the tax code I wish we had. eom

[onenote]

38. You're not required to take those deductions by the tax code.

Seems like the principled stand would be not to take a deduction you're not required to take and that you don't think should exist.

[onenote]

27. advocating the loss of tax-exempt status for churches would be a good way to lose votes

You know who votes heavily for Democratic candidates? African Americans.
You know who also tends to be more church-oriented than most groups? African Americans
You know who else has become an important part of the Democratic base? Hispanics.
You know who else is more church oriented than most groups? Hispanics.


I'm not saying they'll jump on the repub bandwagaon. But their enthusiasm for the Democratic party would certainly be dampened if the party made taxing churches a part of its platform.

[MohRokTah]

28. That doesn't alter my opinion on the matter one whit. eom

[el_bryanto]

7. Great idea. Frankly I think anybody who puts forward an idea i disagree with should be silenced

by any means necessary. We must have ideological purity in this nation if we are to survive!

Bryant

[alc]

9. trying to prove the bigots were right

Now the bigots will say "we were right. legalizing same sex marriage DOES affect our religion (and religious marriage if your church is shut down). so we need to keep fighting same sex marriage".

There are groups on both sides saying they disagree with the other side but are going to accept differences. It would be nice to see more headlines about those groups and less on the one which are intolerant of the other side.

[Chirpio]

13. That's an irrelevant group

Not known by anybody.

[Darb]

15. I call bullshit.

Too perfect for me. This is one of those events that the reich-wing will scream it on the mountaintops, and when this group is proven to be a fraud, they will ignore those facts and keep screaming we told you so.

[Bluenorthwest]

17. That video has nothing at all to do with churches, it's about a large employer in Cheyenne wanting

to see an employment nondiscrimination law put in place similar to the one they have put in place in Laramie, another Wyoming City.
The absurd spin put on it by this right wing website is extremely dishonest, it's just a lie.

[Bluenorthwest]

19. Uh, a group said that churches doing political activity against civil rights should not be tax

exempt. The headline, from a right wing hate site that hates Muslims and LGBT and also the rest of you liberals, is a lie, pure and simple. A fabrication. The video clip in the OP is about a fully unrelated matter, it is about employers wanting to put in place an employment non discrimination law in their city, for the good of business. Nothing about churches at all. So why the clip?

[951-Riverside]

21. Its about time someone put this into action. Christian churches breed and teach hate n/t

[el_bryanto]

24. All Christian Churchs? nt

[951-Riverside]

32. Yes

If they teach from a bible that has hateful verses like Romans 1:26-28 and Leviticus 20:13 then yes.

[el_bryanto]

33. OK - well good luck with your crusade against freedom of conscience.

I would oppose it, as I am a Christian, but since it is going to fail anyway, there's not much point to worrying about it. I do, though, appreciate you expressing your views openly; thanks for your honesty.

Bryant

[onenote]

26. I invite you to send that message to Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston SC

Ridiculous post.

[closeupready]

23. NOTE - Source is "Top Right News", a fake 'news' outlet serving a RW agenda.

Please do NOT link to such sources. Shame on the threadstarter.

[jberryhill]

25. That's why the video doesn't match the headline

[el_bryanto]

31. According the website the quote is from a facebook post

by someone affiliated with this group? But yes it seems fishy, as the post has been deleted (but they saved it). So it could be genuine or it could be dummied up.

Bryant

[jberryhill]

37. The facebook post was "revoke 501(c)(3)" status

The poster knows it is from a far rightwing site, and is a distorted story.

Yet it stands here at DU nonetheless.

[el_bryanto]

40. Distorted or not; at least a few people in this thread support the proposal.

So you can see why it might be believable.

Bryant

[Bluenorthwest]

36. Their sections on immigration and Islam are horrible.

Why this is posted on DU is beyond my reasoning.

[Maraya1969]

41. OK I was confused and thought I saw some legit news organization say

the same thing in their headline. But then between getting the video and the fb page I didn't know what I was doing. Plus it was very late and my head kept falling over and going to sleep.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. The link is to a right wing fake news site, this shit should not be on DU. Look at the sections on

that site on Islam and on Immigration. Do you think those are appropriate for DU as well? Why is the OP doing this?
You, OP, should be ashamed of promoting this crap as if it was reality.