I’m Running for the Senate, and I Need Your Help. Here’s Why.

[Alan Grayson]

I’m running for the United States Senate, I need your help, and I deserve your help. Let me tell you why.

This is going to be an enormous undertaking. I will not be getting any assistance from the Koch Brothers, the Chamber of Commerce or corporate lobbyists, but I would be honored and forever grateful to have your help. Would you please give me a hand?

I wake up each day knowing that there are 700,000 Floridians who are counting on me to do something good for them in their lives. Next year, with the voters’ backing (and your generous support) that number will be over 19,000,000. I will do my best to help every one of us, whenever we need help. If you are just plain folks, I will work hard to be your representative, your champion, and your friend.

Please help our campaign by giving us whatever you can, right now! Every dollar counts, because every person counts.

By now, you might already know me.

You might also remember that in a truly do-nothing Congress, I actually passed more amendments and wrote more bills than ANY OTHER MEMBER of the House of Representatives, Democrat OR Republican. And these were good, solid progressive laws, not handouts to lobbyists and special interests.

When I say I fight for progressive values, I don’t mean it lightly.

I fight to win. I fight for results. I GET RESULTS:

• I passed amendments to move tens of millions of dollars from the bloated military budget to fund biomedical research on Gulf War illness and a cure for cancer.

• I passed amendments to increase the budget for bilingual housing counseling by 50%, increase free tax assistance to seniors by 33%, and reverse 43% of the cruel budget cut for senior housing.

• I passed amendments instituting a “contractor death penalty” that shuts off federal contract dollars for contractors who commit crimes or fraud.

I have fought for these results because I am committed to making this world a better place, for everyone, one change at a time. If we can do this in the Tea Party’s House, imagine what we will do in the Senate, alongside Elizabeth Warren and Sherrod Brown!

So please, give us a helping hand, so that way we can accomplish even more substantive, progressive results.

I fight so hard for what’s right, because I’ve been doing it my whole life.

Let me explain…

I grew up in the Bronx. Life was not easy. In the neighborhood where I grew up, you had to work hard just to survive. I’ve met plumbers who could be engineers, truck drivers who could be lawyers, nurses who could be doctors.

I realized that if they had a genuine opportunity, unchained by poverty, prejudice, poor health, poor education or discrimination, then we all would be better off. And when everyone is better off individually, then everyone is better off together.

I was a sick child. I had to go to the hospital four times a week for treatment. Luckily for me, my parents both had good union jobs that provided health coverage to them and to me, even when they were on strike. If not for that, I might not be alive today….

Back in 2009, I told the American people that the opponents of affordable healthcare demanded you “don’t get sick…and if you do get sick, die quickly.” You can see now that that wasn’t a political stunt. I actually owe my life to affordable healthcare. That’s why I want everyone to be able to see a doctor when he or she is sick, and get the care needed to stay healthy and alive. It’s personal.

At 16 years of age, I received an acceptance letter to Harvard College. But for me and others like me, that meant more hard work. I worked as a janitor, cleaning toilets, and then as a night watchman, on the midnight shift. I made less than four dollars an hour, but I survived.

I learned the hard way that the people who do the most unpleasant jobs often get paid the very least.

But education was my ladder. Education gave me my chance to be all that I could be, live a better life, and be of greater service to others. That’s why I want every student to be able to afford college, without suffering a lifetime of debt.

After I finished school, I founded the Alliance for Aging Research. I was an officer of the Alliance for more than 20 years. We increased funding for research on cures for diseases of old age by more than 500%.

While you work to help seniors as long as I have, you realize that Social Security and Medicare are covenants that we make with each other, from one generation to the next. People shouldn’t have to pay taxes when they pay into Social Security, and then again when Social Security pays out to them. Medicare should cover your eyes, ears and teeth, and every healthcare need. And seniors deserve a raise.

I went on to become the first President of a company that broke the back of the monopoly on international long distance phone calls. As a lawyer, I filed lawsuits for the benefits of the taxpayers against war profiteers in Iraq. I won the first case against those profiteers that ever went to a jury. I saw the worst side of war, and I saw how war has so many bombastic promoters –and how much our country and our soldiers need a champion for peace.

When I say that I want the opportunity to join Elizabeth Warren in the Senate, I don’t say it because I want a job.

I want to DO A JOB.

I don’t want to be something. I want to do something. Something called justice.

I am un-bought and un-bossed. I carry the banners of justice, equality, compassion and peace. My compass is the greatest good for the greatest number. With your help, and the help of all kindred spirits, we will continue this fight, and we will WIN!

Sincerely,

Rep. Alan Grayson
Candidate for the U.S. Senate

P.S. In 2012, and again in 2014, I was the only Member of the House of Representatives who raised most of his campaign funds from small donors – not lobbyists, or special interests, or millionaires, or multinational corporations. I don’t work for them, I work for you. PLEASE, help me today. That way we can make sure that in the SENATE, we CONTINUE to demonstrate that you don’t have to sell the law to the highest bidder in order to succeed in American politics today.

[Renew Deal]

1. Your choice hurts the Democratic Party and ultimately hurts America

[LondonReign2]

45. Oh, hey, look! Third Way "Democrats"

oppose an actual Democrat.

How very surprising.

[L0oniX]

54. +1

[nashville_brook]

66. +2

[DirkGently]

70. +3 Totally unexpected, right?

[SamKnause]

86. x 100000000000000

[TheNutcracker]

106. +4 Party put up former republican early, Murphy who voted for keystone and many other repub bills.

He's a DINO stinker.

GO GRAYSON

[brooklynite]

113. Is it "third way" to be factual?

This is the State that elected Rick Scott twice, and Jeb Bush before him. Provide a case that someone as liberal as Grayson can win a statewide election.

Even within the Democratic Party, there's a lot more support for a mainstream Democrat like Clinton than a leftist like Sanders.

[LondonReign2]

119. No, it is Third Way to dispise traditional Democratic economic policies in favor

or warmed over 1980s Republican ones. It is also Third Way to prefer a candidate that was recently Republican and frequently votes with the Republicans over one that votes consistently for progressive policies.

Listening to those that define "mainstream" as "approved by Wall Street" and insisting we run candidates that are virtually indistinguishable from Republicans on the forlorn hope that voters won't be able to tell them apart has resulted in the Democrats being the minority party.

Thanks for asking.

[sabrina 1]

132. Then it's time to put up a real Democrat. The policy of putting up dinos isn't working too well, and

the reason is, NOT that the voters won't vote for a Progressive Democrat, but because Democrats won't vote for Third Way candidates any more. We've seen the results of doing that.

Grayson won in a district where we were told 'he can't win'. He did. Then the billionaires spent millions trying to oust him and they replaced him with someone who Grayson turned out to be right about.

But he isn't the type to run in fear from the Corporate Money Men/Women. So he ran again and won again.

I will support him, even though he is not in my state. But I will not support any Third Way candidates they have enough money from their wealthy donors.

[brentspeak]

144. "A leftist like Sanders"

Up to about thirty years ago, Sanders' political stances would have been considered only slightly left-of-center.

Your 1-er%-bias is showing (yes, you've revealed on these boards how well off you really are).

[brooklynite]

145. But we're not talking about 30 years ago...

...and a self-identified Socialist is not going to be seen by the electorate of a State like Florida as "centrist".

[sabrina 1]

179. No we're not talking about 30 years ago. YOU are. Today people understand what

a Social Democrat is and that is why now polls show that half the country are okay with electing a Socialist. Your are still living in a past where words were distorted and the red scare was still in progress. Today, young people who will dominate this election, are far more informed and in fact 7 out 10 young voters are fine with a Socialist, like Bernie Sanders, and actually WANT that kind of government here in the US>

THEY are the victims whose futures are bleak due to the policies of the past several decades and on one knows it better than they do.

They want the kind of Government Europeans have had NOT the kind of austere Corporate run government this country has had where the people do not matter and the money people hoard as much as they can while having their corporate bought 'elected' officials in both parties cut Social Programs no civilized country would even think of doing to their most vulnerable citizens.

It's fine with me that other candidates continue to live in the past, it makes it all the more easy for Bernie to gain the support, that keeps on growing as people hear him speak FOR THEM and not for Wall St and the MIC.

I'm kind of enjoying it actually, watching the total tone deaf attitudes from everyone else in this race, knowing how angry the people are, something they just don't see or want to see, and better yet, knowing we now have a candidate giving them a choice.

There is no doubt in my mind that Bernie Sanders speaks for and to the people and lives by what he says. THAT is pure gold to voters in a country where candidates are funded by 'special interests' who they are then beholden to once elected.

[LondonReign2]

183. A majority of Americans agree with Sanders' policies

To people like Brooklyn, that qualifies as a leftist. They are invested in attempting to continue moving the party and the country further to the right despite what the people actually support.

[Enthusiast]

169. + + + + + + + + + +

[Renew Deal]

56. I'm not looking for that

I just have a problem with him contesting a primary he can't win with the baggage he has.

[Robbins]

96. wow

you oppose a true liberal and good guy.

Florida democratic party is corrupt as long as DBS is in leadership postion.

[sabrina 1]

98. So far as I know, and I hope I am correct, you do not speak for the Democratic Party.

I support Rep Grayson the ONLY member of Congress that I recall who consistently called out and wiped the floor with the extremist, highly corporate funded REPUBLICANS every chance he got.

THAT is what we need, no more of the failed 'reaching across the aisle' policies with these Corporate Funded tools only to have that hand slapped in return.

Bullies and tools NEED to be called out and I hope there will more like Grayson running so we can get some people who won't tolerate their nonsense and will not 'compromise' every time they throw a tantrum so we can start WINNING, and I mean by that, winning on the issues. Not 'winning elections'.

It isn't much good to win if you don't use that power for the people.

I am thrilled he is running for the Senate and will help him all I can.

[naoya6161]

99. There are Democrats down here who oppose him

Since they see Grayson as being a far weaker candidate and not worth the risk.

[sabrina 1]

103. And? There are Democrats everywhere who oppose every candidate, I'm sure they were down there

when he last ran and WON also. We don't need ALL Democrats, we need a majority of VOTERS, which includes Independents and many non-voters who we will be signing up to turn this Congress into a real Progressive Congress of the People. I know that Corporate Dems never like Progressive Dems, but that's a given and no one is going to be asking them for their vote. We will be asking Progressive Dems and Indies and non-voters and I have no doubt that there will be more than enough VOTERS to help us get that progressive Congress including Grayson in the Senate.

[naoya6161]

104. Even though Grayson actually did worse than Sink in 2010?

None of his victories have been that impressive. And not every Democrat down here is a super-liberal.

[sabrina 1]

108. I love that the Kochs spent millions of dollars trying to stop him in that election and that they

wasted their money when he came back and won again. I wonder why you would be pleased to see a Democrat lose to the Kochs. I am thrilled that he has the personality of a warrior and didn't just slink away but came back fighting and won. Very impressive considering how much money the RIGHT spent on trying to defeat him. Impressive to make them waste all that money.

And they will do it again and I sure hope no Democrat will be supporting them in their efforts.

[naoya6161]

111. Remember, he did worse than the moderate in the situation

Ever since then, he's been running in a safe blue seat (which may not be so very soon). And it was his own mistake - the Taliban Dan as - that caused his downfall.

[sabrina 1]

174. So you approve of our elections being bought with millions of dollars AND in that case for a

candidate who was exactly as described by Grayson? A Republican, bought and installed for over $10 million dollars? You appear to be applauding what happened there, at least that is the impression I am getting.

When we had a great Democrat who would not be working for Corporations against the best interests of the people and this country.

I was horrified to see the power of the money and the corrupting effects of in our Congress as we watched it buy that election, as was every Progressive I know and that is going tgo be one of the biggest issues in this campaign.

But if you prefer to see the corruption of money as you describe happened in that race, I could not possibly disagree more.

A right wing Republican over a Progressive Democrat?? Is there really any choice and who could possibly be happy about such a disaster?

When we get the money out of politics what happened in that race won't be happening in this country.

Grayson is a great Democrat and I and as many Progressive Dems as I know will be working to help get a seat in the Senate.

Very glad to see Grayson's spirit and determination get him back into Congress where he was very much needed btw

[naoya6161]

175. Being realistic here

Grayson's loss was his fault entirely. If he didn't air the ad, then things likely would have been different - at the very least, he wouldn't have lost by such a huge margin.
His actions as of late suggests to me that he hasn't learned from his mistakes. So I can't trust him with winning the Senate seat here in Florida, since his winning record is less than impressive.
I'm not exactly happy with how money is being used these days...but I'm going to be realistic and vote in more members of the party more likely to fix the problem in the end.

[sabrina 1]

176. Wrong, I watched that race closely and I saw clearly the horrific effects of money on our elections.

In fact it was a true awakening for me and most of my Dem friends that THIS was going to have to be a #1 Issue from now on until the corrosive, corrupt bribery system which purchases the kind of awful candidate for whom that election was bought, is ended.

For ANYONE to blame Grayson for the lying smear campaign that was purchased for millions of dollars to stop a Democrat from retaining a seat in Congress, simply boggles my mind.

I select candidates based on the issues. Every issue Grayson spoke of in that campaign, was right on the mark. And THAT should have and would won that campaign IF our system was not so corrupted by obscene amounts of money being spent to lie and smear good candidates.


That race was in fact a classic example of how the right wing oligarchs buy our elections. And to blame the Democrat who does not TAKE their bribes? Are you serious, really?

[naoya6161]

177. Did you actually live in said district during the election?

Because if you didn't, then you don't speak for the people who put him in office. Based on final results, it appears that quite a few people voted for Sink and not Grayson.
And if you're going to outright lie about your opponent in a competitive race, you're setting yourself up to be called out on it at one point. So ultimately, Grayson is mostly at fault for his loss. Money didn't have everything to do with it.

[sabrina 1]

180. 'if you're going to straight out lie about your opponent'. Exactly, that's what the money

injected into that race, it bought lies about Grayson and repeated them over and over again. But you don't seem to care about that, so there is no point arguing when someone has made their position quite clear.

I want Progressive Dems in Congress not vile, nasty Right Wingers such the one you found no problems with who won that race which was bought for him.

I get your position, mine is the polar opposite and you are not going to change it, nor I yours.

Progressive Democrats over Right Wing Republicans every time and the ugly, corrosive obscene corporate money out of our electoral system.

That is my position.

[naoya6161]

181. Provide examples

If you're telling me the Republicans lied about Grayson during that race in particular, the burden is on you to submit proof.

[Enthusiast]

170. +1 a huge bunch!

[Renew Deal]

102. I actually do speak for the Democratic party on this one.

Grayson’s entry is a source of frustration for national Democrats lining up behind Murphy, 32, a centrist Democrat and rising star in the party.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee endorsed Murphy early, and several big-name Democratic senators have donated to his efforts
<snip>

Some Democrats in the state are worried he’ll bring a sideshow element to the campaign and that his scorched-earth politics will damage the eventual nominee.
<snip>

The DSCC also released a statement but didn’t even mention Grayson.

“Patrick Murphy has spent his career fighting for Florida families, women, seniors and the environment, and he has proven himself to be a hard-working and responsible representative for his constituents,” DSCC spokesman Justin Barasky said. “He is running a strong campaign that’s focused on Florida, and we are confident that he will make a terrific Senator for the Sunshine State which is why he endorsed him.”
<snip>

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/247350-grayson-enters-senate-race-creating-florida-primary-fight-for

There are things to like about Grayson as there were things to like about Wiener and Spitzer. But like Wiener and Spitzer, Grayson has too much baggage and in this case is likely to hurt us in the race. Remember, the actual voting record between Murphy and Grayson will not be significantly different. The difference (besides marital trouble, money in the Cayman's, etc) is that Murphy will have a chance to have a voting record and Grayson will cost us a seat.

[sabrina 1]

105. You mean the Third Way Democrats?? Now I know he is a good candidate because there is not a single

Progressive Democrat they ever supported. That is why so many now do not donate to the party anymore, they donate directly to the People's choices of candidates.

THEY are not the Democratic Party. WE the people are the party. And he isn't going to be depending on just the base of the party. No one can win with that. He wil get the left and center left Independent vote which is now the largest Demographic in the country, as members of both parties leave, diminishing that base to just 32% now.

And they can forget the smear campaigns, THAT will only cause people to be even more disgusted than they are.

There is going to be no more tolerance of the party leadership trying to knock out Progressive Dems as they have in the past.

The people want the money out of politics. THAT ALONE is an issue he can win on as for the first time it is going to be a huge issue in this campaign.

The people are now choosing their own candidates not simply accepting those chosen for them.

[Renew Deal]

125. Wrong again

Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray of Washington, who on her second tour is the only woman to ever head the committee, played a key role in recruiting and field clearing. It’s no coincidence that Berkley, Warren, and Baldwin have no serious primary competition. Party officials believe that in an anti-Washington, anti-politician environment, women candidates fit the outsider role much more effectively than men.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/columns/against-the-grain/democrats-bet-the-senate-on-women-20111129

I know. Now you're going to tell me that Warren and Baldwin are not "progressive."

If you're OK with supporting questionable politicians because they are perceived to be "progressive", that's up to you. But voters don't often agree as we've seen with Wiener, Spitzer, and others. You claim the "people" want money out of politics, but you post in a thread that is fundraising spam.

I love your use of the "people." According to you, "the people" voted for Bush II, Cruz, and the rest of the teabaggers. Because that's what "the people" do.

[dreamnightwind]

146. Shirley you must be joking

" You claim the "people" want money out of politics, but you post in a thread that is fundraising spam."

That's one of the biggest misrepresentations I've ever seen on this site. Obviously, progressives want candidates who get most or all of their money from small individual donors, or from labor sources, not from corporate sources.

So in that context (which is the actual real-world context), getting money out of politics would be supported by many small individual donors who are giving from their own meager savings to a candidate who will represent them rather than large corporate donors.

But you knew that.

[merrily]

155. After the federal, state and local elections of 2010 and 2014. The federal results alone

were the worst since 1928, continuing to claim that center right Democrats are more electible is puzzling.

Of course, it was always puzzling, given that we always claimed that Democratic policies are so far superior for a majority of voters than Republican policies.

One has to wonder where the disconnect is.

When a political party appreciably improves the day to day lives of most people, those people vote for it. When neither party does a great job of that, voters throw out one set of incumbents after another. That's my take, anyway.

[dreamnightwind]

157. When you accept corporate money you accept corporate policies

Seems to work that way pretty much all of the time, so our corporate-funded politicians and party leaders are left with no authentic populist leg to stand on. You can feel the lack of authenticity a mile away. Hard to sell that, even when the opponent is a Republican.

[merrily]

159. We have one party that, for the most part, says the correct things, but people question

its sincerity. We have another party that most people think says what it means, but says the wrong things.

Most people don't vote. Then, some Democrats blame liberals again.

[LeftOfWest]

164. 1% born to it bullshit.

Alert away deal.

Alert away.

Will always read Omaha over you and you 1% purity drivel.

Alert that.

Sick of 1% brats.

[DirkGently]

18. That's both nasty and untrue.

Cheap shot. There is exactly zero indication of "hidden money" anywhere, nor is there any indication Grayson has sheltered anyone's money from taxes.

Nor is Grayson particularly more wealthy than the rest of Congressional leaders, who seem to have no problem asking anyone for donations.

The only place you hear that nonsense is from the camp of that former Republican Murphy the conserva-Dems would prefer run for the same seat.

I'll take the guy who raises his funds from small donors over that trust fund ex-Republican every day of the week.

[jwirr]

62. Don't even try to argue. DU seems to think that his non-wife is telling the truth no matter what

and ignore that she is pushing a dirty divorce. It is her accusations they are pushing here. They prefer to ignore the facts which have been posted on DU several times. Never mind that we are going to get another conservative Dem in congress instead of a real progressive.

I read his letter and not one single statement is untrue. But of course he must be lying - someone who stands to win a lot in a divorce case says he is.

I have been there done that. My ex did not want to pay child support and for years he would use the fact that I did not work outside the home as proof that he should only have to pay $5 a month child support. What he failed to say was that I did not work outside the home because I was taking care of our severely disabled child 24/7. She needs one to one care for all things.

What is happening in a dirty divorce case cannot never be taken as what the truth actually is.

[Sissyk]

82. Somebody got a time-out.

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[sabrina 1]

110. Excellent jury decision. This thread is a disgrace. I come here to support DEMOCRATS not to read

right wing smears against one of the best Democrats we've had in Congress, so good that the Kocks spent a fortune trying to defeat him.

[sabrina 1]

109. Spreading Right Wing, Koch funded smears on DU now? I was under the impression that when a Democrat

runs for office on this Democratic forum that they would at least expect a respectful discussion even from those who might disagree with them on the issues.

You have not said anything about issues, but chose to insult a great Democrat on this forum. No wonder DU is losing so many good Democrats. I can go to FR to see that kind of garbage if I want to see it. I don't expect to see it here.

[naoya6161]

112. Hedge funds in Caymans is real

[sabrina 1]

118. I am not interested in the personal affairs of politicians and definitely not interested in

bought and paid for Corporate smears. I am interested in the POLITICAL record of those who are running for office.

If a politician is doing something illegal, we will hear about it. Otherwise it is nothing more than a despicable smear. Thankfully it appears the jury agrees with me.

[naoya6161]

120. There's already been two complaints filed against him for this behavior

And legal experts agree that his defenses don't hold up. So...yes it is an issue. And it really did happen.

[sabrina 1]

126. So how do you feel about his positions on the issues? Do you agree with him, disagree?

I am not interested in smear campaigns, I am interested in what candidates can do for the people.

I expect the millions being spent to stop Grayson to pay for some pretty nasty smears, as they did before.

[naoya6161]

128. Murphy shares a significant number of stances on the issues

I don't agree with Murphy on everything he stands for, but I'm comfortable with most of the positions he takes.
So issues aren't going to make me choose one Democrat over the other. I'm not going to vote for any candidate nominated by the GOP. I'd rather be pragmatic and pick the candidate who had the best chance of winning, instead of a purity test like others are suggesting.

[sabrina 1]

130. Which issues do Grayson and Murphy share?

And who is asking you to support a GOP candidate?

[naoya6161]

134. Let's see

Both support gay marriage, defending Social Security, healthcare, opposing TPP, and environmental protection for instance. True, Murphy has made some votes that I don't entirely agree with, but in spite of that I don't really have a problem with his votes.
And voting on the issues these days is meaningless, since it all broils down to Democrats vs Republicans when the dust clears. And since I disagree with the GOP on pretty much everything these days, I'm going to vote for the Democrat with the best chance of winning.

[sabrina 1]

135. Murphy has cast some terrible votes, and if the party doesn't get it by now, democrats will not vote

for Third Way Democrats anymore. That is why they lost two mid terms. They voters told them but they insisted on promoting who THEY wanted and lost us the House and the Senate.

That old 'I'm voting for who can win' thing, didn't work for the people. We tried it, we saw the results and now a majority of voters want a Progressive Dem and if their party, once again, backs the candidate the voters don't want, that candidate will not win and the seat will go to a Republican. It's happened so often that by now you would think they would get it.

All candidates who decide to run on the Dem ticket say they support women and minorities, they can't say otherwise and be taken seriously as a Dem.

Did Murphy support the Chained CPI eg, I don't know so I"m asking.

The reason Dems are losing is because they refuse to acknowledge that the public overwhelming supports Progressive issues. This was confirmed in those midterms when voters got them put on local ballots and won every time.

Had voters listened to the party leadership, they would not even have tried. No longer believing that DC is representing them, voters are working at the local and state levels choosing their own candidates and winning for Progressive Dems.

I have no doubt that if the choice is Murphy, liberals won't support him.

[naoya6161]

136. Except turnout is always poor during midterms

It's always been like this... Many only turn out to vote during midterms. And those demographics favor Republicans. And besides, the midterms in 2010 actually invalidate your point, since Grayson did much worse in his district than the Democratic nominee for governor at the time. Meanwhile, in 2014 Murphy outperformed Crist by 15 points in his district.
So progressive candidates don't automatically make everything better. They need to be able to run good campaigns, which is something not seen all that often in Florida.

[merrily]

161. Worst results since 1928. State results were also record-breaking. This cannot be dismissed as an

"always" issue.

Please see Reply 159.

[naoya6161]

163. Can't read it, even if I wanted to

[DirkGently]

139. +++ Nice to see you, Sabrina.

It was getting kind of dank and smelly in this thread.

You're spot-on, on all counts, and a most welcome breath of sane air.

[MineralMan]

129. Jury Results here:

I was Juror #7. I'm Not a huge Grayson fan, but that hidden post was way OTT.

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Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I strongly disagree with this post, I don't think it should be zapped.
-- H2O Man
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Ridiculous smear. Grayson is a real Democrat, not one of the Third Way, DLC, Repub-Lite imposters that have been foisted on us for way too long.
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is over the top. If the poster doesn't like Mr. Grayson, he/she can refrain from reading the threads. Hide.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Unwarranted personal attack. Rude and worse. Hide.

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[sabrina 1]

131. Good jury decision. Thank you.

[Le Taz Hot]

3. Robo money trolling.

My bet's on a hit-and-run with no responses.

[tammywammy]

7. Does "he" ever respond to his fundraising posts here?

I say "he" because it's probably a staffer.

[Le Taz Hot]

8. I can't swear to it but, no,

not to my recollection.

[nashville_brook]

11. staffer or not, what other Dem leaders even know DU exists?

i think it's amaze-balls that we're on his radar.

[Le Taz Hot]

12. We're on his radar because he sees

us as a funding source, not for the issues we talk about and that are important to us. The dude's a multi-millionaire, he doesn't need my $25.00 donation.

[sabrina 1]

138. He isn't taking corporate money, like Bernie ,so I don't mind supporting him and any other candidate

who turns down corporate bribes. The more who do that, and I believe there are now a few others joining Bernie in refusing to takeWall St money.

All Dems should do that as it highlights one of the most important issues in this campaign.

Make it so politically poisonous that candidates will be afraid to take it.

[dreamnightwind]

147. That's also how I feel about it - eom

[GGJohn]

15. I seriously doubt that Rep. Grayson knows the DU exists,

this is most likely a staffer that sees DU as an ATM machine.

[TheNutcracker]

107. Oh no....I know personally that he reads DU and certainly knows about it!!!

Ha!

[tammywammy]

21. DU is just another avenue for $$$$

The last thread was clearly a copy & paste from an email, and I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the same.

He's a smart enough businessman to know target marketing. Googling "democratic message board" leads you straight to DU.

[nashville_brook]

24. that's b/c he doesn't take Wall Street donations like his opponent.

we're not an "ATM" -- we're constituents. if you believe, like many here, that Elizabeth Warren could use someone on her side in the Senate, then donate. if not, don't.

[DirkGently]

22. Murphy's got nothing to say to us at all.

At least Grayson's people identify themselves and come here seeking support and talking policy. That ex-Republican they're trying to run against him wouldn't dare poke his Mitt Romney voting, Social Security "reforming" head in here.

Grayson's in my district, and he's got my vote.

[jwirr]

64. Exactly.

[sabrina 1]

137. Grayson was a member of Daily Kos before he decided to run for office. So it's not a surprise

that he knows about DU and other Liberal forums. Back then he was doing what we all were doing, looking for places where he might find other Democrats.

Another DK member is running for Congress in 2016. And there have been others.

I knew about DU and was a member of DK.

I am very glad he did run. Watching him tear Republicans apart on the House Floor, calling out their distortions of the issues, on Wall St, on HC among other things makes you wish there were hundreds of him in Congress.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

142. I'd love to get more Democratic officials and candidates posting here at DU

[yodermon]

32. He did a live q&a thread on DU a few years back. I'll look for a link.

He DOES know about DU, i'm confident.

[nashville_brook]

68. that was epic. wish he'd do another!

[merrily]

152. I read on firedoglake once that he used to respond there. However, after he had gotten negative

from some of the FDL posters, he started just posting. I have no idea if what I read was true or not.

[Rex]

4. Sounds great! Good luck in your run for senate!

[Gidney N Cloyd]

5. How is this not spam? nt

[SidDithers]

6. Oh FFS...

DU is not an ATM.

Sid

[GGJohn]

10. Usually the only time this person, and I highly doubt it's Rep. Grayson himself,

posts here is to ask for money, not all the posts, but a majority of the posts.

[PassingFair]

9. With all of his issues, he's still one of the bravest people we have.

Follow his VOTES, not the smears.

I do think he needs to pay his wife and get this divorce settled!
I am disappointed in his "annulment" tactics in this regard.

BUT, I will be forever grateful for his stand on healthcare.
I will never forget this:



http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/30/house.floor.controversy/

[tblue]

13. ^^THIS^^ nt

[DirkGently]

23. The swarm of conserva-Dems in here kind of

says it all, doesn't it?

No one is fooled. Grayson's going to wipe the floor with Murphy.

[Trajan]

31. It is despicable ...

Why the FUCK are these a holes tolerated?

They don't sound like Democrats to me ... They sound like asshole Tea Party numbskulls ...

And yes, we SHOULD be considered as a funding source for Progressive candidates ...

The so-called conservative 'Democrats' can all go to hell ...

Cutting our own progressives off at the knees ... Despicable ...

[Le Taz Hot]

36. And what "assholes" woud we be talking about?

You know, the ones who shouldn't be tolerated.

[Trajan]

42. The aholes who spend their time criticizing our PROGRESSIVE Democratic representatives

I am amazed and bewildered by the vitriol displayed by the so called Democrats on this page ...

Because progressives are not and SHOULD NOT be supported by corporate coffers, it is up to US to support them ....

How absurd that a known progressive candidate can be treated so poorly by members here ...

I am a lifelong Progressive ... It is critical that these progressive candidates receive our support, even if they have their own bank ...

So yeah, the persons here who want to shut down the tap for progressives here is no friend of mine, in any form or fashion ...

If the fuckin shoe fits, then fuckin wear it!

Now, go hit alert, buddy buy ....show your true colors ...

[LondonReign2]

48. Because the Third Wayers hate actual Progressive Democrats

They want Republican economic policies, and in exchange are willing to concede on the occasional liberal social issue.

[DirkGently]

51. That appears to be the idea.

Can't help noticing the reliance and hit-and-run vitriol and staunch avoidance of any kind of policy discussion from those quarters.

There's a real Republican flavor to it.

[Le Taz Hot]

57. Dude, seriously,

switch to decaf.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

77. Le Taz Hot, you're a 3rd wayer?

Who knew...

[Le Taz Hot]

85. Yeah, I know.

I was going to ask the poster if he/she were new but then noticed they had 16,000+ so maybe they just haven't been paying attention.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

87. Apparently not. n/t

[Stardust]

114. I cringe when I see them excoriating Grayson. If I had extra, I'd donate to him. eom

[GGJohn]

39. Ahhh,

so because we have a differing opinion, that makes us a holes, should not be tolerated, and we're "asshole Tea Party numbskulls"?

Sorry, but it's you who are all these things for not tolerating a difference of opinion.

[Trajan]

46. Yeah ... Seems like a lynching party has been loosed here

And you got the rope ...

[Bobbie Jo]

133. Grab a mirror.

"Assholes" "Third-Wayers" "ConservaDems"

Now who's holding the rope?? Check your own party goers.

[GGJohn]

34. With his temper,

don't count on it, remember his meltdown against his Repub opponent?

[DirkGently]

37. I love his temper.

Someone needed to call out the"Die quickly" Republican alternative to healthcare reform.

I'll take las many progressive firebrands that occasionally need to tone it down as we can get, especially over warmed-over ex-Republicans like Crist and Murphy.

Conservatives make for very weak Democratic candidates.

[GGJohn]

40. His temper is what caused him to lose against his repub. opponent

by comparing him to the Taliban.
Hope he can keep his tongue in check this time, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[DirkGently]

43. Maybe. But it's likely how he won as well.

He needs to save the fire for the policy stuff, of course. But these bloodless conservative drones people think can win as Florida Dems are a dead end.

[jwirr]

71. We love a fighter but not when he fights for his own rights. Then it is all about the poor little

"wife" who committed bigamy when she went through an illegal wedding ceremony with him and then concealed her later divorce from her first husband from him for years. Then we no longer want a fighter - now we want a conservative R turned Dem. He pays very good child support (two of the children live with him) and she is living in their home.

I do not have much but I am going to send him a small amount. I want him in there fighting behind our next president. And we know he is a real progressive fighter.

[Plucketeer]

93. Who else would have done something this bold?

Personal problems? Let those withouit ANY, be the first to cast a stone!

[Orrex]

14. Hey, Al! I'm getting screwed by student loans, and I need your help.

Could you float me about $20K? I'd totally appreciate it, like for real. Thanks!

[DemocraticWing]

16. Why should we trust you to win anything?

The last time you faced a tough opponent, you imploded and called him a member of the Taliban because you can't help yourself. I agree with your policy positions, but just because you're on my side doesn't mean I have to believe in you.

I don't.

[Tom Rinaldo]

75. +1 n/t

[philosslayer]

17. Rep. Grayson DESERVES our help

He's entitled to it in fact. I hope we are all contributing.

[GGJohn]

19. Like hell he DESERVES our help and is entitled to it,

he can dip into his bank accounts and pay for his own campaign.

[DirkGently]

25. Just Grayson has to do that?

That's a pretty weird stance. The recent ex-Republican primary challenger running against him is rich, and is bragging he's raised $2.5 million already.

Does Hillary need to pay her own way too?

Grayson's known for collecting from small donors. Everyone else is beholden to business interests and the like. You think that's better?

Weird argument.

[Trajan]

33. Wow ... No wonder our party has been stuck in the wilderness

With friends like you ...

[jwirr]

78. Like all the rest of the candidates? A candidate may use their own money but most do not. Why

should he have to?

[geek tragedy]

20. When do you and Donald Trump have a debate?

I look forward to your discussion in hiding assets in the Cayman Islands.

[jwirr]

79. IF he hid them in the Caymans it was not for avoiding taxes. It would have been for hiding them

from his non-wife.

[geek tragedy]

83. "non-wife?" You mean the woman he spent decades with, married, and raised

children with?

Gross statement.

[jwirr]

91. Yes, that one who hid the fact that their marriage was bigamous. She even hid the fact that she

later got a secret divorce from #1. That one.

[MohRokTah]

26. Thanks for this, I will now donate heavily to your opponent in the primary.

If nominated you would guarantee a Republican victory for that seat.

[nashville_brook]

27. his opponent is a lifelong Republican who only changed parties to run

so -- you're in fact voting for a Republican, in that case.

[naoya6161]

28. Doesn't mean anything when Grayson is being supported by conservative groups (like Club for Growth)

[MohRokTah]

30. (D) is all that matters, an that's what's after his name.

Grayson would be a disaster

[DirkGently]

41. Grayson's a very popular Rep with a national profile.

Murphy is a Mitt Romney donor who couldn't find a slot with the GOP.

It's funny watching the conserva-Dems panic so hard. They want to talk about anything but policy.

[MohRokTah]

92. He would lose by a landslide statewide eom

[LondonReign2]

53. That's right. only the letter after the name matters, not the actual policies

[MohRokTah]

94. Murphy would win. Grayson would lose by a landslide

Yes, a (D) that wins is better than a loss

[LondonReign2]

100. You already showed your true colors. Republican policy is fine

so long as it is cloaked with the letter D.

Thanks Nostradamus. Unfortunately all the predictions that the only way to beat a Republican is to run someone virtually indistinguishable from a Republican is why the Dems are in the minority.

[Go Vols]

116. +1

[dreamnightwind]

148. +2

[LondonReign2]

52. Well of course you are, since he is a Republican and changed nothing except

the letter after his name.

[kentuck]

29. We don't donate to the wealthy...

We donate to people like Hillary...

[DirkGently]

44. Weird argument, isn't it? n/t

[jwirr]

80. LOL.

[NCTraveler]

38. Dupe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026930946

[DirkGently]

47. Totally different post, actually. N/t

[NCTraveler]

50. I don't see it that way.

Both are from people other than what the handle is claiming to be spamming for money. While you look at the words, I am able to see the message. Give me money.

[DirkGently]

55. Dems should not ask DU for support?

I'd much prefer hearing from a Dem candidate who feels like DU can be a source of support than be ignored by candidates comfortable with their corporate dark money support.

You don't want a rep who doesn't feel like they need anything from you.

[NCTraveler]

59. His staff is more than free to ask, and they are.

"than be ignored by candidates comfortable with their corporate dark money support." <- Grayson is very familiar with corporate money.

He is not giving you attention here. It isn't him.

"You don't want a rep who doesn't feel like they need anything from you."

I never said such a thing. At all. Once again, this isn't Grayson and he isn't giving you any attention. You have said that multiple times now. It is not the case.

[fredamae]

49. Well, I support Grayson

I like his Bluntness, his Fire, his Passion.

He is No Third Wayer...and especially in FL...Wasserman-Schultz needs a Run for her money as Dem "leader in chief for taking party over the Conservative/Wall Street Friendly Cliff"

I believe he has Earned a chance in the Senate..besides...McConnell would Hate having him over there

[L0oniX]

58. I'm hoping this isn't a hit and run money troll. Are you here Alan or is this agent Mike?

You'd get my vote anyway only because I vote D.

[djean111]

60. Thank goodness! Because I am NOT voting for DINOs like Murphy, Wasserman-Schultz, and Nelson.

Imagine - being told that Liz Warren is suspect because she was a Republican 20 years ago - and now being told to vote for Patrick Murphy, who was a Republican until 2011 - 2011! At least the DNC is showing its DINO butt.

[DirkGently]

63. Murphy voted for Romney.

Donated to his campaign, even.

There are no words for the level of ick involved in proposing this person as an alternative to Grayson.

Progressives. Accept no substitute.

[nashville_brook]

65. Murphy gave the MAXIMUM amount to Romney.

Murphy loves him some Mr. 47%

[DirkGently]

69. Should end the discussion, frankly.

We have more than enough people in the Senate who think Mitt "half of America is lazy and entitled" Romney has the right ideas.

We call them (when we're being charitable) REPUBLICANS.

[naoya6161]

84. 2008 though

Back before the GOP went completely nuts. That is why Murphy switched parties in the first place.
All this talk about Murphy being an ex-Republican is meaningless when Grayson is being supported by right-wing groups. And besides, I can think of a well known progressive that used to be a Republican...

[dreamnightwind]

149. No that was after 8 years of Republican lunacy in the White House

and Murphy was supporting Romney to get some more of those policies.

Romney is 100% disgusting! There is absolutely no way to justify it, unbelievable to see someone here trying t do just that.

[naoya6161]

151. I'm talking about WHEN he made the endorsement

This was back when moderates were still somewhat tolerated in the GOP... And before Romney took a hard turn to the right for the 2012 election. And I didn't like him either.
In any case, people are allowed to change minds. Quite a few prominent Democrats like Clinton and Warren were once Republicans. So what happened in 2008 is a non-issue.

[dreamnightwind]

154. Actually I think what happened in 2008 is absolutely an issue!

Hardly ancient history! And where's his full mea-culpa? Did he have a true change of heart? If so, he must have left a long trail of heart-felt explanations of how deluded he was, and how he is now a changed man. Got anything like that from him? I'll wait...

[naoya6161]

156. Tea Party

He said the reason why he switched parties was out of disgust with how the Tea Party was - in particular, Allen West. That was the main reason why - this was when the GOP took a hard turn to the right and went completely nuts. That's why.

[dreamnightwind]

158. That's no mea-culpa at all!

Sounds like he would STILL support Romney-style Republicans.

Hey, what is Mitt up to? Last I saw he was trying out a boxing gig, probably not his thing so he might be available. Why not draft him to run as a D, he probably hates the Tea Party too.

[naoya6161]

160. Except you have no proof of that

You haven't actually stepped forward with any knowledge of the current Murphy - which suggests to me you don't know anything about him. I'm not going to blindly hate on a candidate for having switched parties - it's understandable that many would in light of the Tea Party.
And in any case, real Republicans are actively supporting Grayson's bid for the Senate. So any hatred on Murphy for being a former Republican is invalid when his opponent is being supported by Republicans.

[dreamnightwind]

162. Oh that is some reasoning there

We welcome your poor, your homeless, your no-longer-welcome "normal" Republicans to our party, where they can run without fear of being primaried by the crazy Tea Party. Maybe you do, I certainly don't.

The burden of proof is on the candidate. If he wants to call himself a Dem and get support from Democrats, he needs to show us that he has seen the error of his ways, that he has come to his senses. And no. it isn't the same as someone like Warren who made the switch decades ago and has a long legislative history to judge her credentials by.

I support Grayson, who is an actual Democrat and will fight like hell for issues Democrats supposedly believe in.

[packman]

61. God, how the world turns

A year ago, everyone on DU including me, would be heaping praise and kudos on Grayson. His scathing attacks on Repukes were things of beauty, now I can see that they were, perhaps, just another aspect of his temper. His constant pandering for money with a small fortune is now distasteful. I am a Dem through and through but I do not like to have my emotional attachment to the party of my choice played on which Alan is using. While the party needs firebrands, we do not need sleaze.

[DirkGently]

73. I want Dems to ask us for money

Everyone running is wealthy. Hillary's trying raise billions. Grayson's trademark is small donors, which is vastly preferable in my eyes to relying on Wall Street sponsorship as far too many do.

[jwirr]

88. Yes, so do I. This is one way that we can help in states we are not familiar with. As to this lingo

about his wealth. Are we going to stop supporting all Democratic candidates because they have enough money to do it themselves? Sounds like a great way to lose the WH, Senate, House and SCOTUS.

[NYC Liberal]

117. 91% of Hillary's donors since she announces gave less than $200.

So, she is relying on small donors.

[djean111]

74. Then, if you live in Florida, you can vote for someone who only left the GOP so he could run

against Alan West. And who votes with the GOP quite a bit. I don't care about sleaze, in this case, if it does not involve me, and I consider having a senator who is a Centrist, a DINO, and a member of the New Democrat Coalition (nmotto - Fuck ideology! We want to vote with the GOP!) may cause harm to a great many people, not just a few.


"I do not like to have my emotional attachment to the party of my choice played on"

That is exactly what the Third Way is doing to us all, telling us to just shut up and vote for the rich and corporate D. While telling liberals and Progressives that we should start at the local level. Got news - Wasserman-Schultz is squatting right in front of the door to national office. She would rather help a DINO (or in a couple of cases, the GOP) than support a liberal.

[ananda]

67. If I lived in FL I would vote for you.

No question.

Good luck!

[tazkcmo]

72. 1%

No thank you.

[djean111]

76. The DINO that the DNC is pushing is also a 1%, and was GOP right up until 2011, and votes with the

GOP quite a bit. No way am I voting for Murphy.

[tazkcmo]

81. ok.

I have a problem with the uber rich begging money from folks struggling to make ends meet no matter what their political leanings may be.

[djean111]

89. I understand that. But I have a problem with voting for DINOs to get into the Senate

and who then vote with the GOP. That hurts a LOT of people.

[jwirr]

90. While Grayson is wealthy I don't think he is in the Koch brothers category - uber rich.

[merrily]

153. Thanks for this important info.

[philosslayer]

127. So you won't vote for Hillary Clinton for President?

n/t

[KamaAina]

95. Get Bernie to come down and campaign for you!

[sabrina 1]

97. YES!! Good for Rep Grayson. We need as many Progressive Democrats in the Senate as we can

get.

Just adding your name to the list of people we need to help get there.

[B Calm]

101. Despite what a few are posting, you have my support Alan!

[Le Taz Hot]

115. Just checking back to see if Congressman Grayson

has checked back in with a post.

I see he hasn't.

[tritsofme]

121. Wonderful copy and paste job Grayson-bot!

Your skills are extraordinary!

The ability for a staffer to copy and paste fundraising emails apparently leaves plenty of folks here tickled every time.

[TeeYiYi]

122. Sincere question...

Is this a genuine personal post, directed at "fellow" DUers?... or is it another hit and run, cut and paste job from your marketing machine? ...because, and I'll be honest, I was not impressed with your last "Should I run for Senate?" post.

I would like to believe that you are a real DUer with honest insecurities, concerns and motives...but, so far, I haven't seen that.

TYY

[nashville_brook]

141. shall the Congressman while away the hours in The Lounge sharing cat pics

to earn cred? i'd rather he be out fighting for us against Wall Street and the Koch Brothers. that's the cred that matters to me.

[NobodyHere]

123. Wow

I've been looking for an opportunity to give my money to the rich!

[djean111]

167. Did you contribute to Hillary? She is vastly wealthier than Grayson, and is bragging about how

much money she raised.

This contribute to rich people thing is starting to look like a fake meme. Considering how wealthy most politicians are, including the Clintons.

And the DINO that Wasserman wants will be asking for contributions too.

[NobodyHere]

172. I've never been a supporter of Hilary

due to her support of the Iraq War

[djean111]

173. That is a moot point, really. ALL politicians, wealthy or not, ask for

contributions. If you don't like Grayson for other reasons, fine. But please don't act if a rich politician asking for contributions is some sort of singular occurrence.

[BainsBane]

182. She is not wealthier than Grayson

that is absurd.

[Omaha Steve]

124. Alan we have started a DU for Grayson Act Blue link

Donate here: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforgrayson





See who is raising $ for Alan here: https://secure.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/40324

[mmonk]

140. I plan to help soon.

[RebelOne]

143. I have not been a Florida resident for many years,

but my daughter still lives in South Florida and I will make sure she votes for you.

[brooklynite]

150. Alan - I supported you in your first House race...

...but with Senate control on the line, I'll be supporting a candidate with a better chance of winning in a Purple State that's elected Rick Scott twice.

[nashville_brook]

166. then you'd be supporting the loser -- we have the data, FL voted for Rick Scott b/c

they couldn't tell the difference btwn the candidates -- a Republican governor and a former Republican governor. Same in the prior election with Alex Sink.

that's just a fact.

In Orange County alone, in 2014 -- 27,000 Dem super-voters didn't vote for Governor in 2014 -- many who actually cast their ballot on other MMJ and land conservation.

[Freddie Stubbs]

178. Grayson consistently underperforms the top of the ticket in his district.

Murphy consistently does better than the top of the ticket in his district.

How exactly is this time going to be different?

[djean111]

168. Considering how many people have contributed to the VERY wealthy Hillary Clinton, and

considering how Hillary made a point of saying she is going to amass a giant pile of contributions, I do believe that all of the "why should I contribute to a rich guy's campaign" is utter reeking fake bullshit misdirection.

Not once have I read that the Hillary is expected to pay for her own campaign.
If people want a Wasserman-approved DINO, then that is their choice. But the rich guy asking for money thing is just crap. Like Murphy (who is wealthy, by the way) won't be asking for contributions.

Find another fake meme. And the "sleaze" thing? Like all husbands involved in political races are spotless? Bwah! I am not really gonna touch that, but the hypocrisy is stunning.

[Enthusiast]

171. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! I donated.

[NaturalHigh]

184. Question: Do you actually participate on DU...

or just come here to ask for money? I frankly don't know, but I've never seen a post from you that wasn't some sort of fundraiser.