39% of Union Households in Wisconsin Support WALKER???

[BlueDemKev]

According to the PPP poll (May 11-13). This is beyond pathetic. 2 out of 5 union members are willing to kill their own living because of their love of guns, gay marriage, and abortion???



These braindead idiots deserve everything that Walker and the Republicans are doing to them.

is wrong with this country?

[Dawson Leery]

1. Prejudice is alive and well in America.

[MrSlayer]

2. Unreal.

Union people should never vote republican under any circumstances. Neither should anyone really.

[WCGreen]

11. When I was running for State Senate here in the western side of Cuyahoga County Ohio

(Cleveland), I would go out and talk to the rank and file Union members.

I would walk around the tables, talk to the people, shake hands, crack jokes, political stuff.

At almost every table, in every Union Hall, I would be asked about gun control. These hunters were convinced that democrats sole purpose in life was to take everyone's guns away. I would tell people all the time that the second amendment is the rule of the land and that I wasn't against people owning guns and yet, they would shake their heads in disbelief.

I knew that going in, I was going to lose upward of 40% of the Union Vote.

So yep, there you have it...

[chemenger]

26. I wonder if these morons ever ask themselves ...

"how am I going to afford my guns if I don't have a job?"

[Blue_Tires]

31. all their "beliefs" come from RW radio to begin with...

[coalition_unwilling]

39. Well, most multi-millionaires, billionaires and gazillionaires should - n/t

[brewens]

3. I still have to be pro-union but this has pissed me off for years. There are lots of

union republicans where I live. The only thing I can say is that these guys think their union jobs are secure and screw everyone else! If they think it'll keep their taxes lower and get them cheaper stuff, everyone else can work for minimum wage.

In most cases they are the ones working what used to be slave labor jobs. Because and only because of the labor movement they can raise families and buy homes.

[Bozita]

13. oops

[K8-EEE]

4. Isn't he pitting police and fire against the other unions? Excepting them??

They are idiots to fall for divide and conquer....

[gateley]

6. I saw some "pro Walker" firefighters today in a clip -- I was shocked. nt

[Bozita]

16. A message for every law enforcement officer in the state of Wisconsin...

[lonestarnot]

34. Well if they don't know it by now, they may as well just sign a piece of paper giving it to them and

save the trouble of the theft.

[patrice]

5. There are 2 branches in the Labor family tree.

the "I got mine" branch.
and the "all of us are in this together" branch.

I'm not an expert, but I think the differentiation between the two trends in Labor as a movement began with issues surrounding a guy named Henry Wallace.

Now, only 7% of our workforce being unionized definitely contributes to whether and how much workers, unionized or not, support any power moves from whatever quarter.

[Populist_Prole]

8. You are so correct

It is unfortunate but it's the damned truth.

[patrice]

12. Personally, I don't think the "I got mine" branch is a total loss. They DO have to be

careful about what they say in public, because it can be used against their brothers & sisters. They themselves might be protected by their local, but I imagine there is some pretty consistent interest in anyone they know or associate with.

But, your right, it IS depressing. I hope to see at least some discussion of union reform in the not too distant future.

[gateley]

7. This is a BFD and I'm disappointed there's aren't tons of recs and a vibrant discussion.

This is SERIOUS -- As Big Ed said, if Walker is successful, this will be the template for all other States to follow.

I'm horrified.

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. Because all the discussion/recs seem to be centered around the threads bashing Obama & the DNC.

Those have tons of recs. If these numbers are correct, it's much more serious than a money deficit. I'm still curious as to why Russ Feingold sat on his hands here. Barrett may be a fine man, but he lost to Walker the first time.

[CBHagman]

29. By a very thin margin, though...

Wasn't it razor-thin?

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. I'm not sure about the margin, but I'm sure he lost. Feingold would probably have been a shoe in.

Nothing against Mr. Barrett personally.

[BlueDemKev]

52. 52%-47%

Not a landslide, but not a squeaker, either.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

9. The poll is wrong.

[JohnnyRingo]

10. I know someone like that here in Ohio

Though she's a member of the UAW, she supported John Kasich's SB5 that ended public worker's bargaining rights. She's a Fox News and AM radio fan, and we had a terrible argument in a bar before the election. Her excuse was "I'm different because I'm in a private union", and "We have to reel the public unions in".

Needless to say, I don't talk to her anymore and felt a slight rise when I saw she got a DUI a couple weeks ago. I hope the cop was a dues paying union member.

[just1voice]

14. Do you really want to know "WTF is wrong with this country?"

Think about what a woman in Greece said about her country: "I feel like my generation betrayed my child's generation because we traded civility for corruption".

[ibegurpard]

15. I don't believe this

[progressoid]

17. I do.

I know a couple RW union members.

One is a family member. He even held some kind of position in his union but he always votes GOP.

[happerbolic]

20. yep.. mine as well.

a lot of them don't realize just what they have, since nobody should be foolish enough to leave what i would consider -the last vestige- this country has left of what could be fashioned as a 'career'. Once it is lost, being like a micro-representation of democracy itself, would be damned near impossible to ever reclaim.

All i can do is thank my relatives for taking part in a structure that was one of the only means by which all the rest of our menial (non-union) wages alowed a glimpse of dignity in life and time to time point out other major factors it has played for all the rest of us.

They have absolutely no clue of what they are about to step away from!

and now, they will rot with the rest of us.

[coalition_unwilling]

40. You should tell him he's like a Jew for Hitler - n/t

[obxhead]

19. I really wouldn't be all that surprised.

Years ago a close friend got a fire sprinkler fitters job. Good consistent work with a strong union. He would rant and rave about his biweekly dues of $30.

I would always say, go to a non union company then....

"I can't afford that, I'll make half as much an hour and get less than 40 hours a week!"



Seriously, he never got it no matter how much I explained it. All he could say was he was paying another "tax" and getting nothing for it.

[bbgrunt]

21. I was totally appalled when focus

groups of teachers were supporting W in 2000. It is amazing to me how many people have swallowed the anti-union message whole--including union members.

Perhaps many of these people are only union members because of "union shops" and feel resentment about paying dues without any deeper understanding of union benefits. Many also feel that many unions are corrupt themselves.

In any case, they will soon be slapped upside their tiny heads with reality if they vote to continue the repuke agenda.

[PragmaticLiberal]

22. If that's the case....

I don't want the DNC to pump a dime into Wisconsin as far as the recall goes.

[whathehell]

24. Give me a break...

It's way too many, but it's still a minority.

[PragmaticLiberal]

32. It's a minority but not by much.

I just figure that the DNC's resources MIGHT be better spent somewhere else.

Just an opinion.

[pintobean]

23. "Union Households"

is always deceiving. It just means someone in the home of the person surveyed belongs to a union. It doesn't mean that person belongs to a union. If non-union Joe Repub is surveyed and his son is a part time UFCW bagger at the local supermarket, Joe's from a union household.

[Egalitarian Thug]

25. Try working for the federal government, or government at just about any level.

hard right conservative assholes are a plague throughout. Shows two things, the authoritarian mind is incapable of extrapolation and weighing hiring practices to heavily favor military service is a mistake.

[Sirveri]

51. I'm a liberal, and a military vet.

Thanks for that.

[Egalitarian Thug]

53. There's more than a few of us, we're just a minority. You work for government? n/t

[kentuck]

27. We are screwed...

these dumb sob's have no idea about anything.

[sufrommich]

28. Not surprised, when I worked

(a blue collar union job for 33 years) conservatives outnumbered liberals, and this is in the Detroit suburbs. There is no logical explanation for it, but there it is. It's like a sick self loathing .

[a kennedy]

30. Yup, I know of two women in my little circle of retired State Employees, that vote repub.....

Our lunch and movie group has about 8 - 12 women in it, and two for sure are voting for Walker..... I'm just sick about it.

[Cal33]

33. And the Greedy Old Pigs party have total control over the electronic voting machines. Dems. have

less than 6 months left to do something about it before November, 2012.

Come on, Dems., wake up!

[Octafish]

43. DEMs have had almost 12 years to do something about it. Yet, nothing has been done.

Going from their inaction, most of my Democratic Party's leadership must be in agreement with the Felonious 5-4 override.

[Carolina]

50. Touche!

When the Dems did nothing to stop Theft 2000, I knew the Party was over.

[Cal33]

55. Yes. Doing little or nothing for 12 years is enabling, aiding and abetting! Dems.

need an energizer like Truman. They don't make them like him anymore.

[SoCalDem]

35. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink

There is a crazy streak in some people who apparently think they can vote republican, and their own current benefits will remain intact while only democrats' jobs will be lost..

[SWTORFanatic]

36. As a professor, I share an office with 1 other woman and 4 men

The other woman voted for Walker the first time around. Not sure how she is voting now. 3 of the men are almost certainly going to vote for Walker. 2 of them told me Obama got OBL because of Bush.

Only myself and one of the guys are anti-Walker. And these are all people affected by Act 10!

[Octafish]

42. Even in Academia: Belief trumps Reality.

And is it ever hard to change a mind that's made -- that's why Karl Rove and his masters are so busy pumping out the lies 24/7.

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." — Max Planck

[Romulox]

37. Google DU2 for "Should I buy a Prius?". Should shed some light. nt

[Mr Dixon]

41. IMO

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[Evasporque]

44. People would rather believe they are paying less taxes than have a job and get paid a fair wage..nt

[librechik]

45. this poll points out the obvious fallacy in the R meme: "Thug unions are all commie dems"

That has never been true, and the unions have shrunk to nothing since there was an excuse to pretend they were commie thugs, back in the mafia 50s. The GOP uses that creaky old meme just like it uses the Red Scare. 60 and 70 year olds respond to it like Pavlov's dog.

They continue to try to DESTROY unions because A) Unions are the only large institution left that can be counted on to give Dems money, and B) there is already a rich mythology about corruption and vice (much of it fictional) that they can mine forever to smear Dems.

[European Socialist]

46. not a surprise

People are more angry about the neighbors down the street getting food stamps than the billionaire who pays no taxes. They don.t know any rich people.

[Yavin4]

47. This Is The Real Reason Why We Don't Have The Same Standard of Living As Europe

Europeans have their biases and prejudices as well. However, when they vote, they vote their economic interests above all else.

[K.T.M.]

48. Insanity!

[Carolina]

49. I agree, these

idiots are the heirs of the Reagan Democrats... willfully ignorant, blinded by hatred.

They deserve what they get... problem is the rest of us end up suffering as well.

[NNN0LHI]

54. I think I can explain this phenomena

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Wisconsin#cite_note-31

42 Tommy Thompson January 5, 1987 February 1, 2001 Republican Scott McCallum 3 1?2

43 Scott McCallum February 1, 2001 January 6, 2003 Republican Margaret A. Farrow 1?2

44 Jim Doyle January 6, 2003 January 3, 2011 Democratic Barbara Lawton 2

45 Scott Walker January 3, 2011 Incumbent Republican Rebecca Kleefisch 1

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Notice how since 1987 Wisconsin has had a Republican governor the entire time except for when Dem Jim Doyle was governor from January 6, 2003 to January 3, 2011?

Not exactly sure if WI is like IL, but when it comes to hiring workers for good paying union state jobs here in Illinois the only way to get one is you have to know someone in politics. So when the Dems are in you will have Democrats getting these jobs. But when you have a GOP governor you are going to have Republicans getting these good union jobs. That is the way it is here in Illinois. No one gets a job here in Illinois in state government without knowing someone.

Well with having a Republican governor running the state in WI most of the time since 1987 naturally all the well paying union jobs have been snapped up by Republicans who either know someone or is related to someone who has pull.

We have the same problem in Illinois.

So, see how electing a GOP governor in your state, even a reasonable sounding one screws everyone in the long run?

We avoided getting a Walker clone last election by less than 20,000 vote for the same reason. Most of the state employees I know here in Illinois are lifelong Republicans.

Don

[MatthewStLouis]

56. Union members who vote against their interests (i.e. vote Republican) are the same as scabs.

Why are people so STUPID?! Why are they so nostalgic for the Dark Ages?