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I Will Re-Post This... Asking For More Comment... 'MLK On Democratic Socialism:'

MLK On Democratic Socialism:

“There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” -- Martin Luther King, Jr




You can't talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can't talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You're really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry... Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong... with capitalism.... There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism". ~ Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Frogmore, S.C. November 14, 1966. Speech in front of his staff.

Link: http://keywiki.org/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.




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Adrahil Jul 2015 #28
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Adrahil Jul 2015 #37
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Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #29
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #31
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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:53 PM

1. George Orwell

Martin Luther King Jr
Bernie Sanders
Mary Mathieu
WillyT

Hee hee.





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Response to marym625 (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:57 PM

2. Nice Hiaku...

 




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Response to WillyT (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:00 PM

3. If only

I could make it a Hiaku.

Just naming democratic socialist.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:01 PM

4. King was never an apologist for rightwing economics..

 

He knew, and saw, what the true cost of such economics was, on people of all colors, stations (outside the 1%), etc.

And of course he paid the ultimate cost in daring to enunciate such things and threatening to bring masses of Americans to that view...

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Response to villager (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:15 PM

5. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

 



Exactly !!!


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Response to villager (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:19 PM

55. He was also comimg out against Military Industrial Complex...

& WAR, to my understanding that's why he's no longer with us.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:41 PM

6. Kick!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:45 PM

7. K&R

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:51 PM

8. K&R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:57 PM

9. I'm so happy to see this little bit of socialism entering mainstream politics...

 

finally! Thanks to Bernie Sanders

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:02 AM

10. And It's Amazing That Bill Clinton Was "The First Black President"

 

As some comedian/somebody said...

But Clinton had "sister souljah" and welfare reform, and DOMA...

But Bernie Sanders is an outsider.

Go figure.


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:04 AM

11. Big K&R!

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Response to G_j (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:23 AM

12. Weird... It's Been By-Passed By The Trending Page... Must Have Missed The Cut-Off...

 





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Response to WillyT (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:12 AM

15. It came up now...

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:39 AM

13. K & R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:07 AM

14. Kick !!!

 


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:18 AM

16. Kicked & Rec'd!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:40 AM

17. That's awesome!

Bernie's campaign should use that quote whenever anyone tries to disparage him for being a social democrat or not in tune with PoC.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:50 AM

18. kick

Your post about it is trending now

I don't know why people pass it by

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Response to marym625 (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:01 AM

19. It's... "Uncomfortable" With Their Narrative...

 




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Response to WillyT (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:42 AM

30. evidently

Sad. It really is. I don't understand how anyone doesn't understand how that you can't get laws passed that help change social issues without getting money out of politics. It's much more than jobs, wages, education and transportation. None of that will change without politicians that aren't in the pocket of the oligarchs, that aren't working harder at raising money for their next campaign than they are at creating a better country, that still believe in, or pretend to believe in, trickle down economics, that vote to privatize everything, etc etc etc

You can talk about social justice and equality until the cows come home but without a major change in election funding, nothing will change.

Let's use marriage equality as an example. Great decision. The SCOTUS actually got this one right. Years of activism paid off. But it's an anomaly with this court. Hopefully, it will help change discrimination laws as those come to the Court. But the laws written by and passed by the States, the RFRAs, the anti transgender laws, the fact in the majority of States you can still be fired for being gay, and even more States for being transgender. And the war on women. My god, women are being jailed in this country for having an abortion or even a miscarriage! These awful, horrible discriminatory laws won't end until the corporate control is gone.

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Response to WillyT (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:21 AM

86. That's because it's their turn

 

complete with the Thatcherite foreign policy and bankdter luv. How DARE you question The Chosen One, Willy?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:09 AM

20. kick

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:11 AM

21. K&R

Yes indeed, MLK was a dangerous man and so many would like to obscure his true legacy.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:21 AM

22. K&R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:54 AM

23. Oh, look. MLK advocating for Democratic Socialism.

And he a POC or isn't he enough of a POC to be regarded as important enough to listen to?

Thanks for posting, WillieT.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:45 PM

39. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

 




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:47 AM

24. K&R +1,000!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:00 AM

25. K&R for the truth. nt

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:32 AM

26. He and Bernie agree! nt

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:08 AM

27. It's in the "Hidden From History" category of the King legacy.

 

Like many, many things he said and wrote, it's ignored by everyone made uncomfortable by it. Which is pretty much everyone who thrives within the prevailing social, political and economic order.

This one is particularly relevant given the current effort to discredit one of the two leading DEM contenders, because said contender's detractors are......well ......"made uncomfortable" by it.

Thanks for putting it out there anyway.


K and R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:16 AM

28. My Comment..

 

I can;t imagine very many people here... who are generally thoughtful progressives, even when we disagree, would disagree with anything King said. I don't. But the real question is "what does that mean in the American political system?" From my point of view, we have 20-25 years away from Democratic Socialism being able to genuinely lay claim to majority status in this country.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:17 PM

36. Another 20 - 25 years?

King said this in 1966, 50 years ago, and we've gone backwards since then.

I'm not willing to wait another 20 - 25 years.

Take the word "socialism" out, and just talk to people about policies...we already have a majority of the U.S. who backs them.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #36)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:21 PM

37. I don't disagree that people support the policies....

 

... but our political system is stacked against us atm. Conservative hold political power all out of proportion to their numbers. It will take a generation of hard work to reverse that. We just aren't there.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #37)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:42 PM

38. Actually, we ARE there.

When the system is stacked against us, the way to change that is to change the game. That's what we're doing. The only way it doesn't happen is if the people we need to help do the work sit back and wait another 20 - 25 years.

I see a nation ready to do so.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:24 AM

29. Malcolm X also..........

"In my opinion, the young generation of whites, Blacks, browns, whatever else there is, you’re living in a time of revolution, a time when there’s got to be change," Malcolm told a group of British students in 1964. "People in power have misused it, and now there has to be a change, and a better world has to be built, and the only way it’s going to be built is with extreme methods. I, for one, will join in with anyone–I don’t care what color you are–as long as you want to change this miserable condition that exists on this earth."

He continued: "Its incorrect to classify the revolt of the Negro as simply a racial conflict of Black against white, or as purely an American problem. Rather, we are seeing today a global rebellion of the oppressed against the oppressor, the exploited against the exploiter."

Asked what he thought was responsible for race prejudice in America, he responded: “Ignorance and greed. And a skillfully designed program of miseducation that goes right along with the American system of exploitation and oppression.”

In an interview with the Young Socialist he stated: “It is impossible for capitalism to survive, primarily because the system of capitalism needs some blood to suck. Capitalism used to be like an eagle, but now it’s more like a vulture and can only suck the blood of the helpless. As the nations of the world free themselves, then capitalism has less and less victims, less to suck, and it becomes weaker and weaker. It’s only a matter of time in my opinion before it will collapse completely.”

When he was asked what kind of political system he wanted, he said:

“I don’t know. But I’m flexible. As was stated earlier, all of the countries that are emerging today from under the shackles of colonialism are turning toward socialism. I don’t think it’s an accident. Most of the countries that were colonial powers were capitalist countries and the last bulwark of capitalism today is America and it’s impossible for a white person today to believe in capitalism and not believe in racism. You can’t have capitalism without racism. And if you find a person without racism and you happen to get that person into conversation and they have a philosophy that makes you sure they don’t have this racism in their outlook, usually they’re socialists or their political Philosophy is socialism.”

“Malcolm X: The Man and his Ideas” by George Breitman)

https://books.google.dk/books/about/Malcolm_X.html?id=SUMQAQAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:44 AM

31. This should be an OP.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:47 PM

40. Agreed !!!

 


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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:29 AM

34. +1 Agree with Le Taz Hot

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:44 AM

35. Malcolm, MLK, and RFK all started talking

 

about the same thing, and all got shot. Where would we be now? My birth year sucked.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:19 AM

32. Clearly he didn't care about POC!!!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:27 AM

33. Many of DU'ers African American have commented on this attempt to portray MLK as a socialist

 

and it's an oblique way of defending Bernie's Sanders world view that is PRIMARILY an economic one. Where social justice runs second to economic issues.

Those African American DU'ers and their allies have already replied on this topic, this quote and this exact same GRAPHIC. Numerous times. They've explained the context of what MLK said.

And several replies in this thread, DU'ers who bring up Bernie Sanders, pretty much proves my point.

This is a GDP OP that was cleverly framed so that it can be posted in GD.

The OP is a passive aggressive attack on the African American DU'ers who have already discussed this. And it says volumes about all those Bernie Sanders supporters on DU who've recommended this because they think it helps their case in supporting Sanders.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:05 PM

41. I am a black woman and I support Sanders yet still respect what others have had to say.

I will also never forget Mrs. Clinton's hardworking Americans, WHITE Americans comments.

Disgusting panderer.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #41)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:09 PM

43. I Appreciate Other People's Opinions Too... But I Don't Appreciate Being Smeared...

 

NOT You...

The poster above you needs to link to the "contextual" discussions I apparently missed.






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Response to nc4bo (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:12 AM

67. Girl, please don't get me started on the Clintons and their racist Southern Strategy campaign 2008!

 

You know what's interesting, though?

Republicans now claim that MLK, Jr. and Malcolm X were Republicans and they would've been Republicans were they alive.

When they were alive, they absolutely hated MLK, Jr., accused him of being a "socialist" and a "communist". (How the two co-exist, I don't know.)

Also, note that any time there's a black leader, the word "socialism" comes up in Republican/conservative circles. See, they can't call him a nigger, so socialist or communist are code words. They even got Uncle Tom black conservative commentators saying the same thing. Sound familiar? It should. Our current president--President Obama--has constantly been called a socialist, Maoist, communist, dictator, and every name in the book. (Question: how can one allow socialism and be a dictator at the same time?)

Sanders' followers now want to embrace MLK, Jr. as a socialist or Democratic Socialist, whatever.

It's just interesting how white people--in general--treat our black leaders. The liberals want to claim them as they see it; the conservative wingnuts want to claim them as something totally different. It is the height of condescension and arrogance.

This is why AAs take issue with Sanders, Clinton---hell, ALL of them! In my view, none of them have demonstrated that they give a flying fuck about black voters. (Pardon my language.)

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #67)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:25 AM

68. I understand, trust me when I say that.

Blacks and other poc can fly under the political radar.......until votes are needed.

It's about time Americans and politicians, in general, just grow the fuck up and admit we have a problem. Some of us are not on equal footing and the starting line will not be the same. Handicaps are needed, sadly still.

To politicians: Don't pander. Just stop it. Sometimes that mess comes back to bite. Let your actions do your speaking then let us judge.

But I guess it isn't called politicking for nothing.

But hey......I'm just wondering down the dark hallway trying to find the light switch!

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #68)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:37 AM

70. We're all searching, sister. I am just very happy that our voices are being heard.

 

I also think that black voters are wising up this time around.

Regardless of any policy difference we may have had with President Obama, we see how he has been treated over the last 6 years, and we don't like it.

And the Democrats DID turn their backs on the president during election season, even though his record of accomplishments is longer than most presidents in history.

So here come the Bernie Sanders and the Hillary Clintons--the Martin O'Malleys and others who think that they can take the black voter for granted. I'm willing to bet that it's not happening this time.

I went home to Atlanta over the July 4th holiday weekend and most people in my family are not happy about Hillary Clinton. We do not like her--in general--and have not forgotten about how the Clintons and their fans treated Obama in 2008.

Now, that does not mean that we automatically embrace Sanders, O'Malley, et al. My hope is that they learned a lesson that they need to EARN our votes. Hillary learned that in 2008. Neither she or her cheerleaders should assume that just because "Clinton" is behind her name means black folks will automatically support her candidacy without critical or strategic thinking.

We are smarter. It's going to take a lot more than "name recognition".

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Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:53 PM

49. A gift for you:

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:05 AM

66. I was Juror #5. DU should be ashamed for allowing this crap to happen.

 

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #66)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:17 PM

78. The jury system is being abused.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #78)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:25 AM

87. Indeed it is. By the people who vote for laundry

 

rather than policy.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:44 PM

54. But the OP was a direct, basically unadorned, quote

The quote wasn't trimmed to give it a new context.

You have a claim of a passive aggressive agenda, all we see in the OP are MLK's words.

In her 1912 essay “How I Became a Socialist,” published in the Call, a socialist newspaper, Keller wrote, “At that time, the compliments he paid me were so generous that I blush to remember them. But now that I have come out for socialism he reminds me and the public that I am blind and deaf and especially liable to error.”

http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/the-radical-dissent-of-helen-keller

I'm suggesting that the legacy of MLK is getting something of a similar treatment. He said some nice things about democratic socialism, and apparently that is currently a tactical hurdle for some.

On a forum like DU every post about the primaries is more or less part of a greater framework. That's inescapable, and shouldn't be avoided. It's part of the back and forth, it's a given, and they're not inherently passive aggressive. A claim that using MLK's words in a Sanders thread is somehow a usurpation of MLK's legacy isn't likely to pass muster with Sanders supporters, or even with other people who are still on the fence. I even doubt that most HRC supporters would tell Sanders supporters that MLK's words aren't suitable for promoting Sanders.

That said, I respect your concerns, and I think it's legitimate to not want to see social justice ever being pawned off by our party. I myself have no worries in that regard with Sanders. Naturally, your mileage may vary, and others too come by their skepticism honestly.

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #54)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:36 PM

79. And... The OP Quote... Is To His Staff !!!

 

Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Frogmore, S.C. November 14, 1966. Speech in front of his staff.


From the OP.

It wasn't at the "I Have A Dream" Speech in front of hundreds of thousands.

It wasn't on any televised event.

It wasn't necessarily for public political consumption.

It was a warning... to the people who worked for the cause that this path he was now taking might just get damned dangerous.

And man, did it.




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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:55 AM

65. ^ MLK evolved to socialist -

This may very well threaten your spin machine, but it is what happened. Here's a good piece on it -


The Evolution of Dr. King

By the end of his life, Martin Luther King Jr was an avowed socialist.
by Lee Sustar ~ 1.19.15

Virtually every Democratic Party politician, black or white, claims the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr.

Conveniently forgotten is the fact that in the final years of his life, before his assassination in 1968, King broke with Democratic President Lyndon Johnson over the Vietnam War and the administration’s failure to enforce civil rights legislation in the South. That’s something no Democrats of national stature have been willing to do today.

While the reforms advocated by King for most of his life were mild compared to the demands of the more radical black nationalists, they were nevertheless condemned by the same Democrats who have since tried to turn King into a heroic icon and a symbol of black accommodation to the system.

In order to understand King’s eventual shift to the left, it’s necessary to look at the class struggles that underpinned the civil rights movement and the nature of King’s organization, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) ...

More here - https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/martin-luther-king-socialist/

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:10 PM

84. His words seem pretty clear. n/t

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:09 PM

42. MLK couldn't be more right

 

Democratic socialism 1,000,000,000% of the way

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:23 PM

44. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:28 PM

45. Thank You, Uncle Joe !!!

 








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Response to WillyT (Reply #45)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:33 PM

46. Peace to you, WillyT







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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:49 PM

48. Thanks Joe...

 


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Response to WillyT (Reply #48)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:55 PM

50. One thing about Martin Luther King, he had extraordinary vision.



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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:16 AM

60. +100%

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:41 PM

47. K&R!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:04 PM

51. "poverty is the root of suffering and inequity"

“So long as I confine my activities to social service and the blind, they compliment me extravagantly, calling me 'arch priestess of the sightless,' 'wonder woman,' and a 'modern miracle.' But when it comes to a discussion of poverty, and I maintain that it is the result of wrong economics—that the industrial system under which we live is at the root of much of the physical deafness and blindness in the world—that is a different matter! It is laudable to give aid to the handicapped. Superficial charities make smooth the way of the prosperous; but to advocate that all human beings should have leisure and comfort, the decencies and refinements of life, is a Utopian dream, and one who seriously contemplates its realization indeed must be deaf, dumb, and blind.”

—Helen Keller (letter to Senator Robert La Follette, 1924)

http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/the-radical-dissent-of-helen-keller

She donated money to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)—then a young and controversial civil rights organization that focused on opposition to lynching and job and housing discrimination against African Americans—and wrote for its magazine.

In 1924, while campaigning for Senator Robert La Follette, the Wisconsin radical and anti-war stalwart who was running for president on the Progressive Party ticket, Keller wrote him a note: "I am for you because you stand for liberal and progressive government. I am for you because you believe the people should rule. I am for you because you believe that labor should participate in public life."

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #51)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:10 PM

52. Thank You For That !!!

 




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Response to WillyT (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:12 PM

53. Really my pleasure!

back at you!

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:18 AM

61. +1 a huge bunch!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:42 PM

56. K & R Wonderful!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:12 PM

57. Kick!

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:24 PM

58. That's Dr. King!

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:24 AM

59. Wow! Kicked and recommended to the MAX!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:31 AM

62. Please be careful when you pick a phrase from the 60s and plop it

Into modern day without caution for changed meaning or context


Might be perfectly OK. But I anticipate this is done to imply mlk endorsement of Bernie.
I mean maybe he would have, maybe hrc or O'Malley... But we can not ask him 4 obvious reasons...

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:18 AM

63. Hi WillyT.

I'm speaking only for myself here, as a white guy and a democratic socialist.

I admire MLK very much. There's so much to be learned from reading his writings, viewing and reading his speeches. I'm familiar with that quote and do know that he was very concerned about advancing the rights of black people. I'm glad more people are learning about him, and I would like to direct those who are interested toward reading and learning more about his writings here: http://www.mlkonline.net/speeches.html I highly recommend reading his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, which can be purchased at amazon. Or any of the outstanding books, perhaps starting with Strength to Love or the autobiography of his last year by Tavis Smiley. Many of these classic writings are available for free on audiobook, or for a very low price for kindle. I'd like to also urge everyone here to read more on black history as it is all a part of our amazing history. And if anyone cares to, please read the wonderful African American forum here.

What I personally find slightly problematic is that sometimes using a quote as a sort of slogan can lead to misconceptions about a very deep set of principles, guided by faith, by uplifting black people, by a deep and humble understanding that no one individual will end racism entirely; it has to come from mass movement. With allies black and white and all shades. I am not saying you are attempting to do anything negative here. Just that we can all benefit from being sensitive not to use civil rights or spiritual figures who aren't here to speak for themselves to push an agenda of one particular political candidate. I would also like to add that currently Bernie Sanders is my first choice as a candidate in the primaries. For many reasons stated very well by others here at DU, and also just from watching him on the campaign trail. I think he is the real deal. I'm also giving Martin O'Malley and Hillary Clinton good looks too and am not here to run down or smear any democratic candidate, or any democratic socialists either. I like the dialogue here, and enjoy seeing people ask the tough questions. I read it. It's just not my style to participate in running down democrats or democratic socialists because I reserve most of my criticisms for the racist right wing.

MLK did not to my knowledge endorse political candidates. Though he could work with them if his movement supported his cause, such as his somewhat rocky relationship with President Johnson to help guide the passage of the Civil Rights Voting Acts, as shown in the fabulous movie Selma. Malcolm X went further, and openly ridiculed both political parties. Both MLK and Malcolm X also had great criticism not only of the right wing, but also of white liberals who seemed to talk a big game but not really gain much deeper understanding of the pain and constant struggle involved in expanding civil rights. King, in his descriptions of what happened in Chicago when he was trying to integrate housing and organize the poor people's movement, spoke very strongly about the two-faced nature of the white liberal in the north who would smile in your face and then ignore your concerns after you're gone.

Secondly, it is essential, I believe, to understand that his primary passions were family, god and advancing the cause of black people. I will not try and put it in modern day language, other than to say that social justice and racial matters were first and foremost in his mind, words and deeds. His tradition is carried on by many subsequent black writers & intellectuals, who can be easily found on amazon or the atlantic or by googling. I don't wish to make any disparaging claims about any candidates. I don't think any of our democratic candidates are racist. I feel that we can all benefit from perhaps being sensitive to the issue that race matters, black lives matter. I happen to agree with Dr. King's quote here, and I would go further and say that this country would greatly benefit from greater public awareness and acceptance of the benefits of democratic socialism. At every level - local, city, state and federal.

I'm delighted that many are understanding the great values of democratic socialism and it is catching fire with a lot of people who are fed up with the great injustices in our society. Wealth inequality and racial injustice - two separate and distinct issues of primary importance. They do often intertwine. But we can all benefit from understanding that sometimes they do not, and that should always be accentuated because there are racial matters that are deeply important to all our brothers and sisters, regardless of our skin colors. I hope anyone reading this takes it with the spirit in which it's intended. Not to insult or mock or ridicule. Merely to state my own personal feelings, and to urge that everyone reading here gain a deeper understanding of this amazing champion of civil rights.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #63)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:29 AM

69. There are many white liberals who use MLK, Jr.'s supposed "evolution" to claim that class mattered

 

more than race. He didn't.

Let's discuss what really happened:

King didn't think he could get far with the White Supremacist Power structure in Washington, or change the hearts and minds of Americans if he only spoke of race and social justice. He thought a more effective way was to try and bridge the civil rights movement with Workers' rights--if he could get poor and working-class whites to see that they shared a common plight with the Negro in terms of economic injustice, then perhaps he could change minds on the "race issue" that way.

In no way was King suggesting that class trumps race in importance.

Race is the central issue. Race guides our politics and our social structure. And yes, race is the underlying fabric of our economic system. But RACE--NOT CLASS!!!!--permeates every aspect of American life.

Even if King became a Democratic Socialist (or whatever), that does not, in any way, shape or form imply that suddenly class issues became more of a focus than race. Or that class/economics should be the route that we pursue in order to eradicate racism. That is ridiculous, and you Bernie supporters need to stop that nonsense if that's what you're suggesting.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #69)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:54 AM

71. Thanks LS!

You're absolutely right. That's what I was trying to say. You said it much better.

Hope you enjoy a great day.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #69)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:41 PM

81. yes, they lie about King's priorities often here. seems like they picked up a meme without knowing

 

much about the whole history. Kinda embarrassing.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #63)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:54 PM

83. ((resounding applause))

You have outdone yourself here, my friend. This was beautiful. And almost made this OP worthwhile.

Well done. This was wonderful.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #83)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:16 AM

85. Thanks my friend.

I've learned a lot from you Number23. I really appreciate it.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:30 AM

64. That's all and good, but I'd like to wait to hear from DU's White Women. They're good at "the social"

in a way that MLK jr. could never be!

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Response to Romulox (Reply #64)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:12 AM

72. White women didn't in the Feminist Era didn't give a shit about black women. That's the disconnect.

 

And your statement is ridiculous.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #72)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:14 PM

74. Sarcasm! nt

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Response to Romulox (Reply #74)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:51 PM

75. There was some typos in my post, but I'm not being sarcastic at all. Not in the least.

 

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #75)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:04 PM

76. Zing! nt

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #72)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:36 PM

80. except he's insulting DU's white women. If it was DU's white dudes he insulted- he'd be alert swarmed.

 

Not a fan of HOF, I can tell you that much.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:56 AM

73. "We hold these truths to be self evident ..."

Times change, and it's important to understand the context. But as the Declaration of Independence demonstrates, and our Bill of Rights affirms, the path forward is built on the insights and professions of beliefs like these. "If I have seen further, it's because I have stood on the shoulders of giants".

We have a document that was signed at a time of slavery, and we also have the words of MLK. The point to that is that we make progress. We take what we have and we seek to make a more perfect world. The words of MLK are an important thread in the weave of economic justice. His many other thoughts on social justice and the struggle of POC are an important thread in the weave of bringing unity and fairness to all.

Yes, it does have to all come together into a single tapestry. But nobody can do all that work, all the time, and by ones self. We all need to come together to bring about a better society. MLK did his part, it's up to us to support the candidates that will do theirs.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:44 PM

77. K&R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:42 PM

82. Anybody Wanna Take A Crack At Post #79 ???

 


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