Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:26 PM

Wella (1,827 posts)

Polymarriage deserves a defense

Regardless of your personal feelings.

The polyamorous are currently in both married and long term relationships and raising children without the governmental benefits of marriage for each of the parties involved. This is a form of discrimination and needs to be addressed.

Some blogs and articles on the topic (and yes, some of them quote Justice Roberts. You can agree with someone's logic without liking the rest of their politics.) All of these sites are left or libertarian. There are no conservative or RW Christians among them.

Poly Marriage Law?
http://www.jefftk.com/p/poly-marriage-law

PolyFamilies
http://www.polyfamilies.com/polymarriage.html

Legalize Polygamy!
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/04/legalize_polygamy_marriage_equality_for_all.html

Four clueless denials that a poly marriage issue exists
http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/2015/07/clueless-denials-that-poly-marriage.html

After Gay Marriage, Why Not Polygamy?
http://www.vice.com/read/after-gay-marriage-why-not-polygamy

Polyamorous Paganism
http://thorandthoth.blogspot.com/2013/03/fighting-for-polyamorous-marriage.html

Natalie Bennett is ‘open’ to polyamorous marriages and civil partnerships
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/01/natalie-bennett-is-open-to-polyamorous-marriages-and-civil-partnerships/

Should Plural Marriage Be Legal?
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/12/17/should-plural-marriage-be-legal

Is There a Right to Polygamy? Marriage, Equality and Subsidizing Families in Liberal Public Justification
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1346900

This paper argues that the four most plausible arguments compatible with public reason for an outright legal ban on all forms of polygamy are unvictorious. I consider the types of arguments political liberals would have to insist on, and precisely how strongly, in order for a general prohibition against polygamy to be justified, while also considering what general attitude towards “marriage” and legal recognition of the right to marry is most consistent with political liberalism. I argue that a liberal state should get out of the “marriage business” by leveling down to a universal status of “civil union” neutral as to the gender and affective purpose of domestic partnerships. I then refute what I regard as the four most plausible rational objections to offering this civil union status to multi-member domestic partnerships. The most common objection to polygamy is on grounds of gender equality, more specifically, female equality. But advancing this argument forcefully often involves neglecting the tendency of political liberalism (by whatever name it goes in contemporary, complex, multicultural societies) to tolerate a certain amount of inequality in private, within the bounds of robust and meaningful freedoms of choice and exit. Properly understood, polygamy involves no inherent statement about the essential inferiority of women, and certainly not more than many other existing practices and institutions (including many expressions of the main monotheistic religions) which political liberals regard as tolerable, even reasonable. Arguments from the welfare of children, fairness in the spousal market, and the abuse of family subsidies are also considered and found insufficient for excluding polygamy.

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Polymarriage deserves a defense (Original post)	Wella	Jul 2015	OP
Why are these polygamy, plural marriage threads popping up everywhere on DU now?	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#1
I can't speak to the "killing women" threads. I've neither seen nor participated in them.	Wella	Jul 2015	#3
Inexplicable? No, people are being labeled rightwingers...	Zenlitened	Jul 2015	#101
So it's not about the facts or the logic: it's about which story you agree with.	Wella	Jul 2015	#103
Facts and logic? Sure. Outright lies? No.	Zenlitened	Jul 2015	#108
We ARE in uncharted territory. Take a look at what Kennedy wrote.	Wella	Jul 2015	#109
You are distorting Kennedy's words.	Zenlitened	Jul 2015	#110
I am absolutely NOT distorting them.	Wella	Jul 2015	#111
Well, the OP'er has posted FOUR of them and keeps them going.	KittyWampus	Jul 2015	#9
reference the third panel	Skittles	Jul 2015	#32
Not really. It's very dangerous for women and children.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#2
There are many Americans in polyarrangements raising children	Wella	Jul 2015	#4
Of course there haven't been reports; these women are probably being threatened and/or	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#5
Any evidence of that?	Wella	Jul 2015	#8
Plenty of evidence, actually.	Baitball Blogger	Jul 2015	#162
Lol! I don't deny there are cults out there. But I know several couples in poly relationships.	Katashi_itto	Jul 2015	#10
How are the women (mis)treated? No one can convince me that somehow these arrangements are	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#14
They do quite well.	Katashi_itto	Jul 2015	#29
One man can fuck around on many "wives" and be sexually free? That's not liberating to women at all.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#34
Wow. They are quite faithful to their own pairing.	Katashi_itto	Jul 2015	#43
I don't get out much? NO. I just don't agree that men should treat women like sex slaves or	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#47
I honestly could give two shits what your convinced about.	Katashi_itto	Jul 2015	#52
Well, good for you! I don't give a shit about your relationship. That's a private thing. Keep that	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#82
Relationships are now a private thing, "shit" that must be kept secret?	Fumesucker	Jul 2015	#118
So you are saying you are unwilling to listen to anyone	laundry_queen	Jul 2015	#74
You mad? I don't agree with women being oppressed and will NEVER support that.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#83
Just not alot of	Katashi_itto	Jul 2015	#121
I will never support women being oppressed either.	laundry_queen	Jul 2015	#141
I think a lot of people have no idea what modern polymarriage is about.	Wella	Jul 2015	#59
Thanks, yeah its like talking to	Katashi_itto	Jul 2015	#120
No kidding.	Wella	Jul 2015	#123
Yep, its the same "I got mine so fuck everyone else." Scratch the surface of a lot of the	Katashi_itto	Jul 2015	#125
I can see that. Someone just said that "bigamy" shouldn't be legalized.	Wella	Jul 2015	#127
Yeah not sure what you would call it.	Katashi_itto	Jul 2015	#131
Why does it have to be multiple wives?	Travis_0004	Jul 2015	#67
That's just crazy talk!	tazkcmo	Jul 2015	#156
I admit I don't know a lot of poly folks.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#153
Well, I can't speak for Katashi...	Chan790	Jul 2015	#233
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2015	#238
How does that apply to a relationship of one woman with two men?	eridani	Jul 2015	#115
Most polygamy in the USA is within those 'weird cult people' communities.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#6
Religious-based polygamy, yes. But polyamory, especially among progressives and libertarians? No	Wella	Jul 2015	#11
No. If we legalize it for them then we cannot say shit when the fdls starts more polygamy towns.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#16
True. But it will be OPEN, not hidden, and that tends to reduce the power of abusers	Wella	Jul 2015	#21
No thanks. The risks to the women and children are too great.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#25
You need to check out the million or so Americans practicing polyamory	Wella	Jul 2015	#33
Uh huh.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#42
Polyamory: Personal stories	Wella	Jul 2015	#60
And some ex-slaves missed the Plantation.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#61
These women went into polyamory by choice	Wella	Jul 2015	#62
Stockholm syndrome.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#66
Nonsense! They were looking for different partners and sexual experiences.	Wella	Jul 2015	#68
I'm fine with polyamory. Just not plural marriage as a system.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#70
Or maybe a "domestic partnership"?	Wella	Jul 2015	#71
Not even that.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#72
Wow.	Wella	Jul 2015	#75
They don't give a shit about women or children. Just their dicks.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#36
Exactly.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#41
Check out this link, the OP has very different language about LGBT equality....	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#151
Wella also doesn't like boycotts against anti gay businesses.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#160
Of course not. Wella has been very clearly not on the side of marriage equality on several	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#168
Wella has developed a strange affinity for polygamy that I have never seen before.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#170
This was the one:	bravenak	Jul 2015	#201
There are polyamorous bisexual women who have a male and female partner	Wella	Jul 2015	#56
Your incredible bigotry is astounding.	TM99	Jul 2015	#58
Thank you.	Wella	Jul 2015	#63
You are welcome.	TM99	Jul 2015	#76
well said! nt	Mojorabbit	Jul 2015	#77
Excellent post. I wish you and your family well. (eom)	StevieM	Jul 2015	#78
BRIL. thank you.	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#112
If they just cared about their dicks,	NorthCarolinaL	Jul 2015	#65
I agree: polyamory requires multiple commitments.	Wella	Jul 2015	#80
What about polyamorous women? You seem to be assuming that it is only men.	StevieM	Jul 2015	#79
Actually, it's likely that the risk-mitigation is in the direction of legalization.	Chan790	Jul 2015	#235
Hmm...	Orrex	Jul 2015	#48
Most polygamy in the USA is among Muslims	oberliner	Jul 2015	#12
I consider most religious people cult people.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#20
Figures and stats, please.	Wella	Jul 2015	#22
Estimates range from 50,000 to 100,000 people.	oberliner	Jul 2015	#26
Thank you. This refers to traditional religious polygamy and it's done illegally and in secret	Wella	Jul 2015	#31
That is really interesting	oberliner	Jul 2015	#35
I think we're all going to be doing a lot more learning	Wella	Jul 2015	#39
This message was self-deleted by its author	oberliner	Jul 2015	#38
No reported violence that we know of.	840high	Jul 2015	#57
When you say "weird cult people"	asturias31	Jul 2015	#107
asturias31	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#220
The "they can sign a contract" is the same crap homophobes said too...	Lee-Lee	Jul 2015	#144
No it's, not the same. People are born gay. People choose how many other people they want to schtup	underahedgerow	Jul 2015	#181
The argument in that last paragraph sure is weak	kcr	Jul 2015	#7
Monogamy has been pretty terrible for women for centuries	oberliner	Jul 2015	#15
Life has been terrible for women for centuries.	kcr	Jul 2015	#17
If women given consent freely then it would not be shackling	oberliner	Jul 2015	#30
Is it okay to pay people below minimum wage if they consent?	kcr	Jul 2015	#40
This is with respect to marriage	oberliner	Jul 2015	#44
There's suggestion and then there's the reality of what would actually happen.	kcr	Jul 2015	#45
I understand where you are coming from	oberliner	Jul 2015	#49
Okay. But why should we destroy the current model of marriage	kcr	Jul 2015	#51
you're confusing patriarchy with monogamy.	KittyWampus	Jul 2015	#19
Would you be ok with polyamory if the overriding system was not patriarchal?	Wella	Jul 2015	#64
You continue to use the world 'polyamory' when you mean 'polygamy'. The words are not	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#143
I am sorry but you are wrong here.	TM99	Jul 2015	#148
You do know that the OP has suggested that standing with LGBT people is 'standing against God'?	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#155
That is bullshit.	TM99	Jul 2015	#161
Hey, you are the one who is not speaking of yourself, that is your choice, I assume because you	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#164
If you actually read threads instead of spouting off half cocked	TM99	Jul 2015	#165
In three years here you haven't advocated for polygamy AFAIK	riderinthestorm	Jul 2015	#171
This is the first time	TM99	Jul 2015	#179
So you got nothing. Noted.	riderinthestorm	Jul 2015	#180
Go away.	TM99	Jul 2015	#184
Uh huh. Sure you do... nt	riderinthestorm	Jul 2015	#186
Done.	TM99	Jul 2015	#187
well hell just froze over.....you and I agree completely on something. nt	msanthrope	Jul 2015	#198
Boudries? This is about self advocacy, it's yours to do, no one else's. You have never brought it up	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#189
Blue I am done with your bullshit games.	TM99	Jul 2015	#193
TM99 is such a LGBT justice warrior he forgets the Obergefell decision	riderinthestorm	Jul 2015	#194
Considering Wella was banned for running many accounts the term 'RL persona' might not apply	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#223
In that sense, the OP is wrong.	Chan790	Jul 2015	#237
I address Wella, you answer for him. Wella has now been banned as an operator of multiple accounts.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#232
if the choice is to be married to one man or be one of several wives of one man	Skittles	Jul 2015	#37
Exactly! No thanks. I value my pussy too much to allow some infected dick in there. No thanks, sir!	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#50
I.....er......well, I didn't think of it THAT WAY	Skittles	Jul 2015	#53
Agreed on all front	Hutzpa	Jul 2015	#13
And some here feels it is okay to continue the degradation of women by mixing it with polygamy.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#18
You're talking to a society that have pimps that controls	Hutzpa	Jul 2015	#24
Can we stick to the topic, please, and stop with the straw men. We are discussing polygamy/plural	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#28
Something to read:	Wella	Jul 2015	#27
There are gays and bisexuals in polyamorous situations, but also many straights	Wella	Jul 2015	#23
Your current shtick is tiresome.	tammywammy	Jul 2015	#46
don't you understand, tammywammy?	Skittles	Jul 2015	#54
And is that a bad thing that I support polymarriage?	Wella	Jul 2015	#69
You suddenly constantly post about polygamy, but you were not a strong advocate for marriage	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#145
yup	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#147
I'll just leave this here...	zappaman	Jul 2015	#200
snort	Starry Messenger	Jul 2015	#208
If your husband...	Whiskeytide	Jul 2015	#55
No	Hekate	Jul 2015	#73
these are trolls baiting DUers	AZ Progressive	Jul 2015	#81
Baiting them to do what? To support polymarriage?	Wella	Jul 2015	#87
Good spot to insert the fact that Wella has been banned for operateing multiple accounts	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#229
Thanks for this Wella.	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#84
You're welcome.	Wella	Jul 2015	#85
Fingers Crossed	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#86
If they don't clobber us first.	Wella	Jul 2015	#89
Remember the rules we fight for with everything else	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#92
Good point.	Wella	Jul 2015	#94
It reminds me	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#97
People are afraid that the pie is limited	Wella	Jul 2015	#99
So work to change hearts and minds.	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#88
Which one of the people	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#90
That's the other false equivalence argument that comes up	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#93
I always thought the fallacy in thought there	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#98
sorry I have no interest in helping you promote	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#100
You obviously didn't read OP or any of the information provided there	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#102
"A philosophy that has been typically objectifying, degrading, and damaging to women"	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#157
"Piggyback on gay marriage"? The legal arguments have a great deal of overlap.	Wella	Jul 2015	#91
make the case	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#95
The social case--the legal one has pretty much already been made.	Wella	Jul 2015	#96
No it hasnt	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#106
You're talking again about the social case, not about the legal argumentation	Wella	Jul 2015	#117
My understanding is that	TM99	Jul 2015	#134
Why don't you start an OP	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#146
Wow.	TM99	Jul 2015	#149
you have a.completely warped view of bisexuality	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#182
Are you obtuse?	TM99	Jul 2015	#185
Hmmm...you came right out and said it - good. I've come to the same opinion... nt	jonno99	Jul 2015	#188
I'm not the obtuse one here.	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#209
Oh FFS!	TM99	Jul 2015	#210
I wasn't the one conflating	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#217
You are too funny.	TM99	Jul 2015	#218
Poloponies deserve a defense	pinboy3niner	Jul 2015	#104
Polymarriage deserves a defense? Maybe. But that defense is not and will never be	Betty Karlson	Jul 2015	#105
Both gay marriage and polymarriage are based on extending marriage rights	Wella	Jul 2015	#113
How dare you? How dare you take that tone with me?	Betty Karlson	Jul 2015	#116
Hit a nerve, did I? Now you're the excluder of the rest of us.	Wella	Jul 2015	#119
You, madam/ sir, are a homophobe for compairing homosexuality with bigamy.	Betty Karlson	Jul 2015	#122
You are a polyphobe. Using the word "bigamy" for polymarriage	Wella	Jul 2015	#124
I'd rather be called a polyphobe than give any credence to the homophobic memes	Betty Karlson	Jul 2015	#126
Your polyphobic memes are insulting and I'm frankly tired of them.	Wella	Jul 2015	#128
You are taking away my dignity by implying that my committed relationship	Betty Karlson	Jul 2015	#130
Dig this thread: Wella has a whole different point of view going on...in a thread standing with us	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#159
Ha! Now there is a clear right-wing talking point of ever I heard one.	Betty Karlson	Jul 2015	#196
Let's take a look at a comment from you about same sex marriage from the OP 'A Message to	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#150
You sure about that?	SpartanDem	Jul 2015	#206
That doesn't change the fact that it was wrong for the right wing to suggest	Betty Karlson	Jul 2015	#214
You're still on this tripe?	romanic	Jul 2015	#114
You win for the most narcissistic post on the thread.	Wella	Jul 2015	#129
Why are you spamming us here with all these threads on polygamy though?	RiverLover	Jul 2015	#132
Whatever prizes you got.	romanic	Jul 2015	#142
so how many adults living under your roof currently?	snooper2	Jul 2015	#167
+1	bravenak	Jul 2015	#133
So if a bisexual man wishes	TM99	Jul 2015	#135
I think	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#137
I don't disagree.	TM99	Jul 2015	#138
Standing together	JackInGreen	Jul 2015	#139
Very true!	TM99	Jul 2015	#140
Um, No	DiverDave	Jul 2015	#136
^This^	GoneOffShore	Jul 2015	#154
Sadly	romanic	Jul 2015	#166
My problem is not with polygamy, but with the timing.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#152
A thread to consider: In a thread titled 'A mesage to the DU LGBT Community' the OP had very	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#158
Wella's been here since August 2014 so less than a year	riderinthestorm	Jul 2015	#163
Good find^^^ everyone read this ^^^	Starry Messenger	Jul 2015	#169
Why? it is taken out of context in an attempt at a gotcha	Egnever	Jul 2015	#177
You should read the entire thread, not just the parts excerpted, get all the context that exists	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#192
This is what became of the OP, the guy you are maligning me for.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#221
DUrec.	PowerToThePeople	Jul 2015	#172
Says who?	WinkyDink	Jul 2015	#173
right wing trolls	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#207
No you lazy bastards. You don't get to piggy-back on nigh a century of GLBT progress	whatthehey	Jul 2015	#174
Stated perfectly.	bravenak	Jul 2015	#175
Sounds like a passage from Ted Cruz's book. n/t	Calista241	Jul 2015	#176
What does that mean, exactly?	Orrex	Jul 2015	#191
You seem very eager to regulate the behavior of consenting adults	SpartanDem	Jul 2015	#204
Well, that's an outright lie. Care to try again?	Orrex	Jul 2015	#215
Don't give a sparrow's fart about your behavior	whatthehey	Jul 2015	#219
Hi, I'm posting on Saturday the 10th to let you know that the OP you are defending was posted	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#225
+a million	Starry Messenger	Jul 2015	#178
Your bigotry is noted.	backscatter712	Jul 2015	#199
Does GLBT progress stand alone? ...	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jul 2015	#239
Better Believe It!!...nt	SidDithers	Jul 2015	#183
This one's fooling nobody.	NuclearDem	Jul 2015	#197
Not interested.	Hell Hath No Fury	Jul 2015	#190
The governments of at least 2	ohheckyeah	Jul 2015	#195
I can't speak for the other state	Hydra	Jul 2015	#202
What did you get done?	ohheckyeah	Jul 2015	#203
Not me personally	Hydra	Jul 2015	#205
I was disappointed, too.	ohheckyeah	Jul 2015	#212
then polymarriage advocates can defend it	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#211
Are you asking us to agree with you?	akbacchus_BC	Jul 2015	#213
Not one person in this or any other thread	TM99	Jul 2015	#216
Your pal Wella has been PPR'd for running multiple sock accounts and posting under them while	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#222
That has no bearing on me or the other polys	TM99	Jul 2015	#226
Well, 'the others' were also wella, several of them. And the rest of you could not tell a faked up	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#228
Yeah, I am so fucking done with you.	TM99	Jul 2015	#230
Actual polyamorous LGBT people would not have done this mean ass crap, that's why a bunch of	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#234
Buh bye...	SidDithers	Jul 2015	#224
The poster was apparently a polyaccountist... n/t	Godhumor	Jul 2015	#227
Nicely done...	SidDithers	Jul 2015	#231
Oh snap.	LAGC	Jul 2015	#236

Response to Wella (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:30 PM

Liberal_Stalwart71 (20,450 posts)

1. Why are these polygamy, plural marriage threads popping up everywhere on DU now?

And alongside "killing women" threads?

What's going on here?

Are we talking about putting women in slavery and treating them like baby-making machines?

Just what are we doing here?

Polymarriage deserves a defense

1. Why are these polygamy, plural marriage threads popping up everywhere on DU now?

3. I can't speak to the "killing women" threads. I've neither seen nor participated in them.

101. Inexplicable? No, people are being labeled rightwingers...

103. So it's not about the facts or the logic: it's about which story you agree with.

108. Facts and logic? Sure. Outright lies? No.

109. We ARE in uncharted territory. Take a look at what Kennedy wrote.

110. You are distorting Kennedy's words.

111. I am absolutely NOT distorting them.

9. Well, the OP'er has posted FOUR of them and keeps them going.

32. reference the third panel

2. Not really. It's very dangerous for women and children.

4. There are many Americans in polyarrangements raising children

5. Of course there haven't been reports; these women are probably being threatened and/or

8. Any evidence of that?

162. Plenty of evidence, actually.

10. Lol! I don't deny there are cults out there. But I know several couples in poly relationships.

14. How are the women (mis)treated? No one can convince me that somehow these arrangements are

29. They do quite well.

34. One man can fuck around on many "wives" and be sexually free? That's not liberating to women at all.

43. Wow. They are quite faithful to their own pairing.

47. I don't get out much? NO. I just don't agree that men should treat women like sex slaves or

52. I honestly could give two shits what your convinced about.

82. Well, good for you! I don't give a shit about your relationship. That's a private thing. Keep that

118. Relationships are now a private thing, "shit" that must be kept secret?

74. So you are saying you are unwilling to listen to anyone

83. You mad? I don't agree with women being oppressed and will NEVER support that.

121. Just not alot of

141. I will never support women being oppressed either.

59. I think a lot of people have no idea what modern polymarriage is about.

120. Thanks, yeah its like talking to

123. No kidding.

125. Yep, its the same "I got mine so fuck everyone else." Scratch the surface of a lot of the

127. I can see that. Someone just said that "bigamy" shouldn't be legalized.

131. Yeah not sure what you would call it.

67. Why does it have to be multiple wives?

156. That's just crazy talk!

153. I admit I don't know a lot of poly folks.

233. Well, I can't speak for Katashi...

115. How does that apply to a relationship of one woman with two men?

6. Most polygamy in the USA is within those 'weird cult people' communities.

11. Religious-based polygamy, yes. But polyamory, especially among progressives and libertarians? No

16. No. If we legalize it for them then we cannot say shit when the fdls starts more polygamy towns.

21. True. But it will be OPEN, not hidden, and that tends to reduce the power of abusers

25. No thanks. The risks to the women and children are too great.

33. You need to check out the million or so Americans practicing polyamory

42. Uh huh.

60. Polyamory: Personal stories

61. And some ex-slaves missed the Plantation.

62. These women went into polyamory by choice

66. Stockholm syndrome.

68. Nonsense! They were looking for different partners and sexual experiences.

70. I'm fine with polyamory. Just not plural marriage as a system.

71. Or maybe a "domestic partnership"?

72. Not even that.

75. Wow.

36. They don't give a shit about women or children. Just their dicks.

41. Exactly.

151. Check out this link, the OP has very different language about LGBT equality....

160. Wella also doesn't like boycotts against anti gay businesses.

168. Of course not. Wella has been very clearly not on the side of marriage equality on several

170. Wella has developed a strange affinity for polygamy that I have never seen before.

201. This was the one:

56. There are polyamorous bisexual women who have a male and female partner

58. Your incredible bigotry is astounding.

63. Thank you.

76. You are welcome.

77. well said! nt

78. Excellent post. I wish you and your family well. (eom)

112. BRIL. thank you.

65. If they just cared about their dicks,

80. I agree: polyamory requires multiple commitments.

79. What about polyamorous women? You seem to be assuming that it is only men.

235. Actually, it's likely that the risk-mitigation is in the direction of legalization.

48. Hmm...

12. Most polygamy in the USA is among Muslims

20. I consider most religious people cult people.

22. Figures and stats, please.

26. Estimates range from 50,000 to 100,000 people.

31. Thank you. This refers to traditional religious polygamy and it's done illegally and in secret

208. snort