Where's trumad???

[MoonRiver]

[Nye Bevan]

1. The "naughty chair" until August 20.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=105176&sub=trans

[MoonRiver]

4. I suspected that. Well, August 20th is not that far away.

Love me some trumad!

[HuckleB]

75. Ugh.

And ugh. (That is all I will say, because, well, if I say more, well, uh, yeah, ...)

[antiquie]

2. In the time-out corner.

Account status: Active but temporarily unable to post (Reason: Transparency page is displayed)
5 posts hidden in 90 days: -100

[hobbit709]

3. A couple of net nannies had fits and alerted until he got a time out.

[Nye Bevan]

6. Seems like the term "Bernie-bot" does not get a warm reception here (nt)

[MoonRiver]

7. Oh yeah!

[mythology]

37. I wonder how you would respond to being called a Hill-bot

I don't think Sanders can win the primary much less the general election and yet I don't feel any need to denigrate or insult those who are supporting Sanders.

Trumad goes about trying to be deliberately provocative and sometimes gets burned for it. It happens to others as well, including a long term Bernie Sanders supporter recently.

[MoonRiver]

38. I've been called that, and much worse, here, so many times I can't count. n/t

[MADem]

77. Part of the Rude Lexicon Here, has been for years...no "wonder" about it.

Don't believe me, Google is your friend: https://www.google.com/search?q=Hillbot&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl


Lotta rude nasty "Hillbot" commentary out there....but it's "OK" if you've got critical mass--even if it's only here, and not out in the real world, I guess.

[Historic NY]

46. I saw that in a twitter feed several times....

where it was about Biden coming into the race.

[treestar]

67. Yet the term Obamabot

Probably does not get a hide

[sheshe2]

69. You would be correct, treestar.

[HuckleB]

76. The reality is that it takes more than net nannies to get the time out.

We have a social problem here.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Gunnered

Rat-tat-tat-tat.

[hack89]

8. Looks more like he was Berned

only one gun post hidden, three anti-Bernie posts.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. And the 5th one, which equated gay people to teachers who abuse their students, let's not forget

that one.

[MoonRiver]

39. That's YOUR interpretation. Trumad does not think that way. n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

9. .

[MoonRiver]

10. He'll be baaaaaack!

[pintobean]

11. Looks like he made himself

a new sig line image.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125533830

[MoonRiver]

12. Definitely hope he comes back.

After the primaries DU won't be so insane.

[NCTraveler]

13. He felt the bern. nt.

[MoonRiver]

15. More like the bern felt him, and pushed him into timeout.

[NCTraveler]

22. True that. lol. nt.

[MoonRiver]

24. It won't work forever, if you get my drift. n/t

[Fred Sanders]

14. Dancing on a grave thread? Silly and juvenile.

[pintobean]

16. Who died?

Not trumad.

[MoonRiver]

17. Some wish. n/t

[Rex]

18. In deep cover over at FR.

Operation Kill the Hamster.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Trumad's detractors couldn't carry his briefcase./nt

[MoonRiver]

20. They are very weak. Must suck.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Too bad there isn't a hide swapping system. I would have taken one of em./nt

[MoonRiver]

23. Lol, good point! n/t

[pintobean]

28. Yeah

but somehow he's the one who keeps getting knocked out. Funny, that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. If somebody jumps me from behind they might knock me out but I doubt it. Funny, that.

[PowerToThePeople]

32. I have seen something.

https://www.google.com/search?q=punch+in+face+democratsincebirth+site:democraticunderground.com

"Punch in face" you tend to use this phrase often.

[pintobean]

40. That might explain the avatar.

[pintobean]

33. Trumad hasn't been getting blindsided.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Nah, nothing to see here...He couldn't possibly be targeted for invidious treatment.../nt

[Rex]

31. You are just mad, because you did not get a 'where is pintobean' vanity thread!

I keed...next time you get a timeout, I will wait and give you a Where is Waldo thread!

I won't ask the same in return, but I won't cry if I get a vanity thread!


You love me, you really love me!

[lumberjack_jeff]

58. Briefcase? I am indeed happy to not have his baggage. n/t

[pintobean]

61. Lol. Well done. /nt

[Bluenorthwest]

25. that one vile anti gay comment equating gay people to child abusing teachers was rotten

A really shitty thing to post.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Some times in our zeal to slay our enemies we lose all sense of humanity...

Hastert was a pedophile, period. I suspect Trumad would agree if he was here.


Also, the internet is a blunt medium. Not much room for nuance and it's easy to be misinterpreted... That's why I try to be uber cautions when discussing race, gender, and sexuality.

[MoonRiver]

35. That's outrageous!

That was NOT trumad's meaning. He is 100% in favor of marriage equality and certainly does not equate sexual identity with child abuse. FAIL.

[Bluenorthwest]

47. Says you. That comment really pissed me off. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words and imagery.

The words he typed said money paid to cover up a teacher abusing a minor student was paid to 'cover up being gay'. That is an equation of the two. If he did not mean it that way it would be very easy to clarify. That particular slur is not something to play with.

That post surprised me and bothered me.

[freshwest]

74. I thought it was more of slap to rampant GOP hypocrisy, since they attack gays.

Last edited Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:17 PM - Edit history (1)

But any gay person that takes offense, is fine by me. FFS, there is so much to be offended by from millions of homophobic nutjobs, it could cause a stroke.

I wish the obssessed's 'I just love watching this dirty movie I'm imagining' crew would get their damn minds out of other people's underwear and private lives. Their trying to control the lives of others is a hobby, a luxury of those with too much time on their hands and a sheltered existence.

Most people know we all need allies and help in this life, why take a dump on any person who might help you survive?

[Prism]

66. This is the post in question

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026747459

And one of the hides leading to his current vacation.

I don't think he meant it as it read, but given the LGBT community's history of having our sexuality contextually connected to sexual abuse and children, even peripheral linking of the two is highly frowned upon, and many of us are sensitive to it.

I think, but cannot seem to find, he posted a clarification afterwards.

Edit: Yeah, he apologized and clarified here. He thought the student involved was a consenting adult.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026748142

[B Calm]

36. The PC police reported on you!

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[demmiblue]

30. Call me sketical, but from your responses, I think you already knew he was on time-out. n/t

[MoonRiver]

41. You're wrong. That's why I asked.

But I am familiar with trumad's positions from reading his posts here. I also can see a piling on when it happens.

[demmiblue]

42. Now you know the answer. After the first post, this was nothing but pure flamebait/meta n/t.

[MoonRiver]

43. I asked where trumad was, because I hadn't seen him for awhile.

Exactly what is meta about that?

[MoonRiver]

45. Oh, quite the explanation that.

Have you jumped the shark?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. I think he was implying your thread was self referential...Lots of self referential stuff...

I think he was implying your thread was self referential...Lots of self referential stuff is posted here and survives.

[MoonRiver]

51. The incredible thing is that I was really just trying to find out where trumad is.

Then this whole thread exploded into bizarro world.

[petronius]

55. A suggestion: if you enter a DUer's name into the 'Site search' box to the upper right

you can quickly make your way to their profile page, which will show their status, last post, recommended threads, and transparency page if visible...

[MoonRiver]

56. Thanks

[Skeeter Barnes]

48. I'm pretty sure he's the one that told me he hoped to see me die soon

and described to me the way he hoped it would happen back when I was new here. He gets away with a lot of hateful posts that would be hidden if posted by someone else.

[pintobean]

50. Better include a link

to cya.
I think I somewhat remember that, though.

[MoonRiver]

53. Do you have a link to that?

If not, frankly, what you posted just looks like a cheap smear.

[oneshooter]

59. Jury Results

On Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:47 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm pretty sure he's the one that told me he hoped to see me die soon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6936108

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The post is self-explanatory.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:56 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you can not explain your problem with the post, I can not vote to hide it.

[NaturalHigh]

78. Wow - what a welcome, eh?

[11 Bravo]

52. He got alert-swarmed, and it eventually worked.

[pintobean]

54. Do alert swarms really exist?

How would anyone, other than admin, know? Alert-swarming seems to be a common claim by, and for, people who get a lot of hidden posts. Could it be that it's just average DUers alerting on abrasive posts?

[Bonobo]

87. Pintobean, when you are on the end of one, you know.

There's no mistaking it.

[pintobean]

90. Then, stop kicking the hive.

[Kaleva]

68. That won't work if one stays within the bounds of community standards.

if you look at a random sampling of prolific poster's profiles, you'll see most of them don't have a single hidden post in the past 90 days. To see that info, scroll down to where it says the chances of serving on a jury and click on "explain". Mine says: 0 posts hidden in 90 days: -0.

[Bonobo]

86. It's true. nt

[tularetom]

57. If you can't say anything nice...

[lumberjack_jeff]

60. It'd be cool if profiles included "career hides" and "alerts-to-successful hide ratio" n/t

[Bonobo]

81. That would be cool as hell! nt

[MoonRiver]

62. Thanks everyone!

I now know where trumad is (timeout) and when he will return (8/20). That is all.

[fadedrose]

63. Try looking here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=105176&sub=trans

[Kingofalldems]

71. The first post on the list not off the mark at all.

[Orrex]

65. He posted a GBCW thread recently.

Oh wait--my mistake. His GBCW post was in December 2013.

[Capt. Obvious]

79. I enjoyed that one

It made the impending forced vacation appear to be his choice.

[pintobean]

82. And, it was posted in HOF

I still laugh about that.

[Capt. Obvious]

84. That's right

IIRC he was leaving DU due to sexism.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

70. Why does anyone ever have to ask this question?

Quarterly tantrum equals timeout.

[Nye Bevan]

73. You want another one?

[Solly Mack]

72. trumad is that relative at reunions you love because you never know what

will come out of his mouth.

As opposed to the relative you avoid for the same reason.

I enjoy trumad. He's been around forever and I must confess to a certain fondness for those around since 2001. We're a dwindling number.

Which isn't to say that those that came after aren't special.

[Bonobo]

80. Same place as Seabeyond and Cali.

Same place people are trying to send me.

[B Calm]

83. Those two are in the timeout zone too?

[Bonobo]

85. Yes, they are.

Some people try to play with the system by alert stalking. That's what happens.

People that are vocal, like Trumad, like Seabeyond, like Cali, like myself pickup supporters as well as haters.

Some of the haters follow you around and alert on everything hoping to get a jury that happens to be filled with others that are like-minded -NOT related to the post, but related to that poster in general.

[Orrex]

88. Whether or not "Alert-Stalking" is a thing (and Skinner has hinted that it isn't)

You're still absolutely correct that people tend to hide the poster rather than the post, at least in some cases.

Only one of seabeyond's current hides seems reasonable to me, and only two of cali's. That's not to say that I consider myself an authority, but if I'd been on those juries instead of one of the "Hide" votes, they wouldn't be on time-out.

[Bonobo]

89. I've got some bad ones too.

But what else is Skinner going to say except "There's no such thing."

No, it exists. Use your common sense. With all the anger here, of COURSE there are people that do that.

It's obvious, I think.

[Orrex]

92. We have to defer to the people who have access to the data.

We don't know how many non-hide alerts are called on these posters.
We don't know who is alerting on those posters.
We don't know how many of those non-Hide alerts are sincere.
We don't know who is serving on those juries.
We don't know how many of those Hide verdicts are sincere.

Lacking this information, we are not in a position to make objective statements of fact about it.

Absent compelling evidence to the contrary, "common sense" is subordinate to data to which we have no access. Other than anecdote-based guesswork, on what firm basis do you conclude that you or they are being Alert-Stalked?

[pintobean]

91. Members can serve on juries for people they have on ignore.

That change was made some time back. Admin posted about it on Discussionist quite a while ago, saying they made that change on both sites. It was also mentioned in ATA not long ago.

It appears they want people's reputations to be considered by jurors.

[Orrex]

93. Is the jury blacklist still an option?

I have a handful of people on Ignore, but I haven't blacklisted anyone, so I don't know if it's still in effect.

It's tricky, though. A DUer might ignore someone because that person is abusive, or because that person is simply annoying. I'm not convinced that Ignoring someone renders that person incapable of serving on one's jury.

[pintobean]

95. Yes, the blacklist is still there.

[Capt. Obvious]

94. Yes, personalities play a part in jury decisions

Some of our more abrasive members tend to not get the benefit of the doubt when a post is sent to jury.

Not speaking directly to these three people but I know recently there was a sub about alert stalking or something and how some hide or another was uncalled for (and direct proof that the juries are being packed by my enemies!) - that hidden post, taken in a vacuum was uncalled for; that hidden post, taken in context with the long subthread absolutely should have been hidden.