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Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:59 AM

Read the Most Brutal Paragraph From Clarence Thomas’ Same-Sex Marriage Dissent

Justice Clarence Thomas has a fervent dissent of the Supreme Court’s historic decision to invalidate same-sex marriage bans. His argument, joined by Justice Antonin Scalia, quibbles with the definition of liberty itself. “Since well before 1787, liberty has been understood as freedom from government action, not entitlement to government benefits,” Thomas writes. Working from this principle, Thomas insists that the petitioners in the case “have in no way been deprived” of their liberty. “They have been able to travel freely around the country, making their homes where they please. Far from being incarcerated or physically restrained, petitioners have been left alone to order their lives as they see fit.” And yet he takes the argument even further—because human dignity “has long been understood in this country to be innate,” here’s who else Thomas thinks hasn’t been deprived of it:


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Reply Read the Most Brutal Paragraph From Clarence Thomas’ Same-Sex Marriage Dissent (Original post)
ismnotwasm Jun 2015 OP
Agschmid Jun 2015 #1
Orrex Jun 2015 #10
6chars Jun 2015 #23
Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #2
derby378 Jun 2015 #29
Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #30
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #3
ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #5
bullwinkle428 Jun 2015 #4
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #8
Lint Head Jun 2015 #6
malthaussen Jun 2015 #7
Johonny Jun 2015 #9
Curmudgeoness Jun 2015 #11
kelliekat44 Jun 2015 #12
JHB Jun 2015 #25
boston bean Jun 2015 #13
msanthrope Jun 2015 #14
boston bean Jun 2015 #16
msanthrope Jun 2015 #20
boston bean Jun 2015 #21
kairos12 Jun 2015 #15
boston bean Jun 2015 #26
Live and Learn Jun 2015 #17
KamaAina Jun 2015 #18
dmr Jun 2015 #19
etherealtruth Jun 2015 #22
arcane1 Jun 2015 #24
SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #34
WDIM Jun 2015 #27
RobinA Jun 2015 #28
Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #31
Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #32
ncteechur Jun 2015 #33
Gothmog Jun 2015 #35

Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:01 AM

1. Sometimes justice is clearly blind.

And I don't mean that in the usual sense.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:13 AM

10. and deaf and dumb.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:27 AM

23. the mute has finally spoken

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:03 AM

2. Bestowing, denying dignity are two things. Third is acknowledging dignity.

 

Which stands in heterogene opposition to both. But I fear that Thomas has a rather binary mind.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:53 AM

29. Thomas is a longtime user of Scaliazine and Alitomide (n/t)

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Response to derby378 (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:55 AM

30. His state of mind can be described as Thomatose. n/t

 

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:07 AM

3. Well, then; does that mean it's really kind of OK

to enslave people or put them in camps or deny them basic subsistence, because, hey, they don't lose their dignity? Damn, that's downright offensive - but what else would we expect from that guy? He's got all the dignity he needs as a member of the U.S. Supreme Court - a respected position, a comfortable income - but I wonder how "dignified" some of his ancestors felt as someone else's personal possession who was forced to work in the cotton fields and who could be sold, beaten, deprived of comfort, separated from his family, even killed, at the whim of his owner. How "dignified" do people feel when they have lost their jobs and their homes and are living in abject poverty under a bridge? Damn, that's one of the most nastily clueless things I've ever read.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:11 AM

5. He's a pig

But this puts him in sociopath category.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:09 AM

4. Same guy that yesterday stated there's no housing discrimination because the

NBA features mostly black players.

SERIOUSLY.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:12 AM

8. WHAT??? I didn't hear about that one.

Is he certifiably mad or just stupid?
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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:11 AM

6. Thomas actually wrote his stupidity for everyone to see.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:11 AM

7. Shame he doesn't recognize the same thing with respect to rights.

As to the substance of the paragraph, the issue is not whether the dignity is taken away, it is whether it has legal standing.

-- Mal

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:12 AM

9. dignity: nobility or elevation of character; worthiness:

2. bearing, conduct, or speech indicative of self-respect or appreciation of the formality or gravity of an occasion or situation.

3. elevated rank, office, station, etc.

4. relative standing; rank.

5. a sign or token of respect:

I'm going out on a limb and saying forced imprisonment and treatment to inhuman conditions pretty much doesn't fit the actual definition of dignity. When they impeach you from the bench and lock you up for crimes against humanity... they've pretty much taken away your dignity. You might still have your pride and your own sense of self worth, but most humans with empathy understand they've destroyed your dignity.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:13 AM

11. If slavery and interment camps do not cause lose of dignity,

I don't know what does. Let's see how much dignity he can muster if he were stripped naked and paraded around, with the consequences of trying to hide his nakedness being beatings. Sorry, but I say that those are the sorts of conditions that do cause people to lose their dignity.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:14 AM

12. How did this man become a Supreme Court Justice? He is a fool within a fool. nt

 

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:37 AM

25. There's a definite answer to that question:

The reason Thomas was put on the SCOTUS was...

...NOT because he was the most qualified jurist. He wasn't.
...NOT because he was the most qualified black jurist. He wasn't.
...NOT because he was the most qualified black conservative jurist. He wasn't.

He was the most qualified black conservative with reliable but obfuscatable views on abortion & other subjects, and was young enough that he'd stay on the court for decades.

The Democratic senators were initially ready to give him a pass, since 1) they didn't look forward to another SC nomination battle, and 2) initially the black community was receptive to Thomas -- not enthusiastic, but not inclined to oppose -- and a fight against him wouldn't be well received.

At the time I thought Thomas should have been voted down just because of his lackluster record and ignoring conflict of interest (Thomas failed to recuse himself in a case involving the Ralston Purina company, where his political mentor Sen. John Danforth owned millions in stock and had brothers on the board of directors. Thomas' decision in favor of Purina directly benefited his pals).

Black opinion didn't shift until later in the process, after Thurgood Marshall made his "a black snake is still a snake" comment. The senators were finally forced to take a harder line when the harassment charges leaked out, and giving Thomas a pass would piss off another Democratic constituency: women fighting workplace harassment.

But all that happened too late: by that point conservatives were ginned up in support and the rest of the establishment didn't want another highly-visible fight, so the Thomas hearings were kept to a he-said-she-said with Anita Hill (Angela Wright was shunted off to the side), giving the senators their excuse to just put it behind them.

So here we are, a quarter-century later, and he's still a lackluster jurist who ignores conflicts of interest, and is a reliable conservative operative in the courts.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:15 AM

13. How did the dumbass ever make it onto the Court?

Anyone Senator who voted for this jack asses confirmation, and the idiot who nominated him, ought to be ashamed.

The guy is one stupid fucker and the rest of them were just as stupid to vote for his stupid ass!

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:17 AM

14. ask Joe Biden. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:19 AM

16. I know... I don't need to ask him..

I watched the hearings..

The vote was a way to make up for the Robert Bork rebuke...

They voted down one scary dude and look what we got in his place..

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Response to boston bean (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:24 AM

20. we got Clarence and ginny Thomas....

 

I'm not sure which is scarier.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:25 AM

21. edit

I just looked up Bork... I didn't realize he departed this continuum in 2012....

Woops, it was GHWB that nominated him in 1991... I thought his confirmation was part of the Bork pay back... maybe my memory is slipping some!

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:18 AM

15. I'm sure Anita Hill wonders the same thing.

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:39 AM

26. a-yup!

she knew... millions of Americans knew he was a sick rat bastard...

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:20 AM

17. Thomas knows nothing of dignity and possesses none himself. nt

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:20 AM

18. Automatic FAIL.

 

We need an analogue of Godwin's Law for whackjobs like this who compare (insert issue here) to slavery. Long Dong's Law?

The Huckster is guilty as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026887972

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:22 AM

19. He and his buddy, Scalia, are fucking offensive.

They try to rob America and the Court of its dignity.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:25 AM

22. Sick, sick, sick

.... but, his abject stupidity and bigotry will not dampen the joy I feel for others!

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:29 AM

24. Isn't he married to a white woman, whom the Supreme Court gave him the right to marry?

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:44 PM

34. Yep

He'd rule against the Loving decision as well.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:43 AM

27. Its not about dignity Clarence. Its about freedom.

Freedom of adults to have self determination as long as they cause no harm. Two men or women being married causes no harm. And has no impact on your life or your rights. Therefore you are seeking to strip the rights of others just because you disagree with them even though they are causing no harm. Why dear sir do you hate freedom so much?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:48 AM

28. I Happen To Agree

with him on the dignity part, you own your dignity. I wonder if he knows he's channelling Kahlil Gibran? But what does this have to do with the issue at hand?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:59 AM

31. I always get the impression that Thomas' opinions...

 

I always get the impression that Thomas' opinions were written on paper with the lines really far apart...in crayon.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:35 PM

32. He is a disgusting individual.

Not surprised though.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:37 PM

33. We've all been denied the right to be seen as an intelligent county by having

"Justice" Thomas sit on the bench.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:14 PM

35. Thomas is a really bad justice

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