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Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:09 PM Jun 2015

So the flag symbol is on the way out. What about the reality?

We all know that the southern rag of a flag is nothing more than the sign that hangs over the doorway of the house of ignorance and hatred. So when do you suppose what's inside that house will go?

One of the first things that must go is voter suppression. The haters have many means for preventing people from voting. Black people, students, the poor, and so many more are turned away (or intimidated away) from the polls to ensure the continuation of "white power." And that doesn't even cover the voting machines that flip votes, the "cleansing" of voters lists, or "lost" votes. Once everyone has access to the polls, the house of hatred will quickly collapse.

And let's not forget who it is that is all for voter suppression. It is the Republican Party.

I'm glad to see that flag is on the way out. And it's way past time to get rid of what it stands for.

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Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
1. What will it take?
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jun 2015

Also to go - hate news - Fox, Limpbaugh etc.

voter suppression has been allowed to occur and no one is doing anything about it.

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
4. Fox, Limbaugh and all the other hate peddlers are
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

constitutionally protected. Voter suppression is a crime and is not protected by anything other than those who run the states and/or districts that do it.

The radio and TV hate peddlers are despicable, but our society will have to evolve a bit more before we see them shunned, die out, or just go away.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
6. does anyone complain about voter suppression?
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jun 2015

if enough people complained when they can't vote then the local Republicans would have to change voting.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
2. And therein is the real problem. Do all the haters who are suddenly pulling down the flag just know
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jun 2015

that it is not expedient to show their real self just now or have they let go of the hate the flag stands for. That has always been the real question in politics.

I am glad the flag is going down but it is going to take a lot more to convince me that the hate is going away.

What about getting rid of the voters suppression laws?

How about the existing incarceration laws that allow so many citizens of the USA (mostly poc) to be imprisoned.

What about stopping the harassment of poc for small infractions of the law in order to collect money for the city budget?

What about police brutality and no enforcement of this crime?

And this is just the beginning of the list.

 

pogglethrope

(60 posts)
3. If we just kicked the states that were part of the Confederacy
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

out of the United States, we'd be guaranteed control of the House, the Senate, and the White House in perpetuity.

The remaining Unite States would still be huge -- and would be a lot better than the United States of today. We'd be rid of almost all racists -- and southern fried food and southern accents, etc. Giving up Florida might be a bit painful, but not much point in having a state you couldn't get to basically without driving through a foreign country.

Should we go for it?

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
5. There are tens of thousands of people in those states who
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jun 2015

do not go along with the institutionalized racism. Beyond the black citizens, there are many decent white people who are not bigots, but they don't control the levers of power. Every time you see black people on TV mourning a local racist crime/tragedy, there are many whites standing alongside them.

 

pogglethrope

(60 posts)
8. "There are tens of thousands of people in those states
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jun 2015

who do not go along with the institutionalized racism." Sure, but the combined populations of those states is about 85,000,000 people. Chances are good that a lot of those millions and millions are racist. It's well-known that evil, virulent racism continues to be rampant in the Old South, far more so than in the North. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most, if not all states of the Confederacy, would return to slavery given the opportunity to vote for it.

Besides, I corrected myself by limiting further retribution to only the descendants of slaveholders. Even if a handful of them fall into your category of "decent white people who are not bigots," they still need to pay for what their slaveholding white ancestors did. Don't remember the title of it, but there's another General Discussion thread with an opening post that says the South wasn't punished enough after the Civil War. I'm just trying to come up with ways to rectify that error -- without, in fact, collection 150 years of interest on the oversight.

Here's my new suggestion -- and it will take into account your observation about tens of thousands of decent white people in the South. Since the South didn't get punished nearly enough in the 19th and 20th centuries, amend the Constitution to set up 50 years of punishment, starting as soon as the new amendment is ratified. The essence of the amendment would be to reduce the electoral votes in the states that made up the Confederacy by 50% for the next 50 years and also reduce their representation in the House and the Senate for the same 50 years. Details would have to be worked out, but the wording of the amendment still shouldn't take up more than a relatively short paragraph or two. If we increased tax rates for them as well -- heck, we'd have even more money to fund federal social programs. We might even consider reducing federal benefits for descendants of slaveholders, too. It's time they paid for the sins of their fathers ... and mother, too, I suppose.

To the states I mentioned above, add Florida and Tennessee. That makes the total population affected about 111,000,000. With the federal representation of the former Confederate States of America reduced by half, that would give Democrats a huge edge in federal elections for the next 50 years.

It should be easy to return to two-thirds or greater majorities in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. (Having fewer representatives and senators makes that easier.) With super-super-majorities in both houses of Congress and a Democrat in the Oval Office, we'd be able to get back to the kind of edge we had in the mid-1960s, after Kennedy's assassination.

We'd be able to pass just about any legislation we wanted to to bring about social justice. We'd be able to dramatically reduce military spending. Single payer health care would be a cinch. Not to mention being able to fill all Supreme Court vacancies and federal judge vacancies with liberals. Etc. ...

Why, we'd be able to approach.... Well, the words Nirvana and utopia come to mind.





LWolf

(46,179 posts)
7. "And it's way past time to get rid of what it stands for."
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:37 PM
Jun 2015

If it stands for the privilege of one group over another, I agree.

We have many groups who are not white male property owners that would like to get rid of that privilege.

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