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bigtree

(85,974 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 01:27 PM Jun 2015

Martin O'Malley on TPA cloture vote in Senate: "What have we come to?"

Martin O'Malley ?@GovernorOMalley 1h1 hour ago
What have we come to when Congress votes on bills affecting our economy, wages, jobs, & enviro. that the rest of us aren’t allowed to read?


Martin O'Malley ?@GovernorOMalley 1h1 hour ago
We should not be fast-tracking bad trade deals that depress wages for American workers and send more American jobs abroad. #TPA

Matt Corridoni ?@mattcorridoni 2h2 hours ago
@GovernorOMalley calling on the senate to make the right decision during todays #TPA vote #NewLeadership


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Martin O'Malley on TPA cloture vote in Senate: "What have we come to?" (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2015 OP
K & R. n/t FSogol Jun 2015 #1
Kick hedgehog Jun 2015 #2
Sanders/O'Malley 2016!! AzDar Jun 2015 #3
+1. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #4
I'll vote for that ticket!!!!! LongTomH Jun 2015 #6
yes. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #7
or... bigtree Jun 2015 #22
Rec! progressoid Jun 2015 #5
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #8
Somebody gets it. nt Doremus Jun 2015 #9
O'Malley is on the right side of this issue.[n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #10
K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #11
Why turbinetree Jun 2015 #12
Good lord why the hell is it necessary to lie. Egnever Jun 2015 #13
but it does set up a situation where it can't be amended plus rurallib Jun 2015 #14
Absolutely Egnever Jun 2015 #15
the president and Orrin Hatch, who authored the fast track deal, know the votes are in the bag bigtree Jun 2015 #16
Where is the supposed lie? Like me, O'Malley isn't in Congress and does not FSogol Jun 2015 #17
Well we can start with the begining Egnever Jun 2015 #19
Really, so now that fastrack is approved, we'll all read the bill and have an honest FSogol Jun 2015 #20
He has been telling lots of truth PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #18
» bigtree Jun 2015 #21
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
13. Good lord why the hell is it necessary to lie.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jun 2015

For the life of me I don't understand it.

Fast track doesn't take away anyone's ability to read it before it is voted on. The fact that someone running for President has to either lie about the details or is ignorant of the process just makes me want to tune anything they say out.

I get the opposition but the lies or ignorance on the process is becoming tiresome. One would think if it is an issue of such importance people would be able to get the details right.

rurallib

(62,374 posts)
14. but it does set up a situation where it can't be amended plus
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jun 2015

it sets up a situation where each senator will have 88 seconds of allotted floor time for debate - not hardly time for a full debate for something that will drastically change our economy.

There are so many things that stink about fast track any senator should be ashamed to vote for it. Bet their consciences are soothed with "campaign contributions" and million dollar lobbying jobs.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
15. Absolutely
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:58 PM
Jun 2015

That was the point that it wouldn't be amended. Hard to make a deal if you can't get the details nailed down.

As far as floor time, this will not be debated on the floor those days are long over. Debate now happens behind closed doors, floor debate hasn't actually been anything more than grandstanding for quite some time.

None of which takes away from the fact that so many railing against it seem to need to lie about the process or are totally ignorant of it.

Sadly I don't trust anyone when it comes to the TPP mostly because so much of the info on it is fabricated. I will reserve my judgement till I can actually read it.

bigtree

(85,974 posts)
16. the president and Orrin Hatch, who authored the fast track deal, know the votes are in the bag
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

...for a simple majority ballot after fast track.

They knew that all they need to do was get past the super majority vote for cloture and TPP was in the bag. The idea that reading it now is going to change that reality is the lie. It should have been public before the cloture vote when it took 60 senators to move the bill forward to a simple majority.

FSogol

(45,441 posts)
17. Where is the supposed lie? Like me, O'Malley isn't in Congress and does not
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jun 2015

get to read the bill.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
19. Well we can start with the begining
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

What have we come to when Congress votes on bills affecting our economy, wages, jobs, & enviro. that the rest of us aren’t allowed to read?

Not happening. Congress didn't vote on the bill. It is intentionally misleading. The "bill" will be public for at least 90 days before it is voted on. Everyone will have a chance to read it before it is voted on.

FSogol

(45,441 posts)
20. Really, so now that fastrack is approved, we'll all read the bill and have an honest
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jun 2015

discussion about it, no matter how long it takes? Sorry, but I'll stick with what O'Malley is saying.

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