Former Mormon Explains Why Mitt Romney Should Never Be President
The first thing you need to know about Mitt Romney is that he is a Mormon, aka a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They call themselves Christians, but they have so thoroughly brainwashed their members that anything the church says goes. No matter how much Mitt Romney says he would keep his church separate from Government, and how he would never let the church come in and run Government, commands of the church come first and foremost in Mormon minds.
If the church wanted Mitt to let them come in (AND THEY WOULD) and help or direct the Government, that is how it would be. Why? Because the church leaders would supposedly have a vision that it is Gods will. The church is all about trying to prop up the image of its founder, Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith had a supposed vision (prophecy) that one day a Mormon would become President of the United States, FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE, of letting the Mormon Church take over the U.S. Government. You can take it to the bank, that if Romney were President, the church leaders would have another vision, that a church takeover must happen. By the way, that prophecy was simple revenge for perceived wrongs done to Joseph Smith by the government. Nevertheless they treat all his prophecies seriously, no matter how ridiculous they are.
Romney wants to be President to fulfill a cult prophecy. When Mitt Romney received his patriarchal blessing as a Michigan teenager, he was told that the Lord expected great things from him. All young Mormon men the worthy males of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as it is officially known receive such a blessing as they embark on their requisite journeys as religious missionaries. But at 19 years of age, the youngest son of the most prominent Mormon in American politics a seventh-generation direct descendant of one of the faiths founding 12 apostlesMitt Romney had been singled out as a destined leader. The Cougar Club the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon President of the United States. If not Mitt, then who? was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the churchs founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
Economic goals according to Romneys own book, Believe in America Mitt Romneys Plan for Jobs and Economic Growth © 2011
Wants to provoke China into war by labeling the Chinese government as criminals in the world court. Never mind that they own most of our money, they have nuclear capabilities and over a million soldiers. Im sorry, but we wouldnt stand a chance.
Wants to privatize Social Security and Medicare. They say Obamacare would create death panels, but thats nothing compared to what it would be if Wall Street controlled medical benefits. And with how well Wall Street has proven that they can screw up even a wet dream, do you really want them deciding how much your Social Security checks should be? I dont think so. Romney would privatize his next meal if he could.
General plans (from stuff he has said lately)
Wants to cut education funding and oversight.
As a vulture capitalist, Mitt Romney cost thousands of employees their jobs and their retirement pensions, while he made out like a bandit. If elected president, Romney will kill Medicare and Social Security and further subjugate womens rights, while destroying the EPA and other government services.
Romney avoids mentioning it, but Joseph Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent Commander in Chief of an army of God advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat, James Polk and Whig, Henry Clay Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them. Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. Smiths insertion of religion into politics and his call for a theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world. But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob. Out of Smiths national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the White Horse Prophecy a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber and the Mormon priesthood would save it. Mitt Romney views the American presidency as a theological office.
what it means to him. I'm deeply skeptical of people who claim strong religious basis for their actions. Period. We went through this sort of thing with Bush and look where it got us. I have no use for religious zealots in a seat of power, particularly for a nation made up of peoples of diverse backgrounds. We do not need a theocracy or someone with a messianic complex.
They have an END GAME... be it bringing back Jesus through action in Israel or in the case of the mormons, making their religion 'the religion' even if you are dead.
What right does the LDS have to make claims that non-Mormons belong to their church?
To bring on the Second Coming and destroy all of those who don't believe like they do. The lick their lips over every act environmental devastation and the ecosystem as proving their Tribulation prophecies.
They'll kill us all and that's why they are so money hungry so they think they'll have an advantage and survive. They'd leave the Earth in cinders just to have it their way. Very disturbing that they've managed to get so much power now.
to ask Romney such a question for 2 reasons:
1. Romney is unable to state a definitive position on any subject and stick to it.
2. Lying for the Lord. He has permission from the church elders to tell whatever lies he needs to in order to get elected and fulfill prophecy.
a. He can't be trusted at any time for any reason
b. One must be able to trust a President, at least most of the time
c. Romney is not qualified nor does he deserve the position of President of the United States.
the more I research the Roman ooops Morman religion the scarier it gets....Mormans are evangelicals on a huge injection of steroids....anyone who votes for Raw Money needs to be put in a mental institution.
WE SHOULD USE RAW MONEY'S RELIGION AGAINST HIM!
He's got a bunch of NeoCons advising him, presumably they will be part of his administration if he's elected. I see a repeat of "the sort of thing we went through with Bush."
[quote]There is John Lehman, the Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration, who sources say is a lead actor in the
Romney cast. Then there are Michael Chertoff and Michael Hayden, the Homeland Security secretary and CIA director who
both served under President George W. Bush. Two former GOP senators, Norm Coleman of Minnesota and Jim Talent of Missouri,
also are on Romney's team.
The supporting cast is also composed of Washington's security and foreign policy veterans: Eric Edleman and Dov Zakheim,
who held high-level Pentagon posts under the younger Bush. Zakheim's son, Roger, a senior staffer on the House Armed
Services Committee, is also assisting Romney, along with Dan Senor and Megan O'Sullivan, who emerged as major players
during the Iraq war.
Gordon Adams, who oversaw national security budgeting for the Clinton administration, says when Romney's security advisers
speak, "they have nothing to say." Adams, who is not involved in Obama's re-election campaign, questions Romney and his
advisers' repeated comments about Russia and building move Navy ships in a time of tight budgets.
"This is the 'B-Team' of Republicans," Adams says. "And the 'B-Team' brought us Iraq, so I'm not sure they deserve to come
back into office."
they are basically open to the public. It also does not have a founding prophecy that it will one day take over the US government.
There is the matter of allegiance, though (which is also an issue with Mormonism). And that may be what motivated Kennedy's assassins.
Kennedy wasn't a dogmatic Catholic. Like Kennedy himself said, he was the Democratic Party candidate for the Presidency who happens to be Catholic. Not the other way around. Nobody could legitimately accuse Kennedy of being beholden to his religious leaders. You can't say the same thing about Romney.
Raw Money is the Mormon manchurian candiate..he is more dangerous than Bush
If the Mormon church did have the intention of grooming and installing their own candidate for office, they couldn't pick a better person than Romney. His dad's fortunes were made as a direct result of his Mormon associations. Romney owes his a debt of gratitude to the Mormon church for his fortunes as well and he has shown conclusively that he has been the ideal faithful servant to them. He served their church as a missionary in his youth, he served the church as a bishop as a young adult, and he has tied a significant portion of his income back to the church for decades. In short, he has always done exactly what the church wanted. So considering Romney would be the perfect candidate for such a task, you then have to ask if the Mormon church is motivated to do such a thing and I'm not sure how someone could claim they aren't. They already control the entire state of Utah. It's not a stretch to think they would want to expand their influence.
For those who value freethinking, Romney is more dangerous than Bush, and that's pretty scary.
And, anyways, this is the same shit that people said about JFK (the pope will come and run everything, etc.)
and in the case of the Catholics, no such prophecy existed, and two, the Catholic religion has it's head in a foreign country...the Mormons are nominally at least, in the U.S. I think this post is spot on.
And your ignorance of how devoted most mormons (even the non-practicing ones) are to mormon theology is astounding.
This is not the same damn shit. Catholics don't present nearly the same danger to our democracy that mormons do.
Im a mormon - and if i had the posibility to vote in a US election, I would have voted Obama ahead of Romney anyday... Obama just look, and sound like a more competent man..
Im not sure if that make me a part of "mormons for Obama" group - but at least I would have voted for the better candidate - who is Obama...
asking Mitt so we can be lied to, we need to look at Mitt's behavior for last 5-10 years. How is he still supportive of their fairy tales? He raised his kids Mormon; does that count? Where else is the proof of his devotion to this or any other Armageddon-ist group? What is the substance of his foreign policy? Will we all be eating out of mega-pantries we have prepped for a great depression?
While Romney was building his career at Bain Capital, he was also a Mormon bishop (equivalent to a pastor) and a stake president (presiding over several area congregations) in suburban Belmont, Mass.
that "they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them."
Hmmm,,, seems the extreme RW and teapartiers have pretty much seen to that.
The hammer blows keep coming, one right after the other. This is one of the most entertaining primary seasons I have ever seen. Hope there is more to come when the campaign proper goes live!
I do think examining his faith and how it might effect his policy decisions is fair- to a point. This piece goes well beyond that point.
The author clearly has a chip on his soldier the size of Utah.
He claims all Mormons are brainwashed: What bullshit. How does dear author explain Harry Reid and other dem politicians? I don't buy for one minute that Romney (who thinks awfully well of himself) would turn over power to the Mormon Church. This is a man who wants power for himself.
The author claims that Romney avoids mentioning that Joseph Smith ran for president; uh why the fuckity fuck should he mention it? Idiocy.
The author claims that:
The only other church I know of that elicits such obedience was The Peoples Temple, and we all know what happened there, they drank the Kool-Aid. In other words, the Mormon religion is a cult of brainwashed souls.
Oh, so he's comparing Mormonism to The People's Temple? WHAT UTTER DOG SHIT. Bigoted dog shit, op.
In fact, that's the driving force behind this piece of bigoted crap: HATE AND BIGOTRY.
It shouldn't be posted here.
It's as bigoted as anything I've ever seen here.
I believe there is a great deal of truth in this thread. Granted, little diplomacy is applied in the posts but if you look past that there is much of merit.
If you read "Under the Banner of Heaven," I'm surprised you're not more concerned with Mitt's position within the church.
Ah. They pull the old "bigot" card, here, too? Ima transplant from Randi.org and the very religious keep that knee-jerk handy there, as well, for use whenever irrational beliefs are questioned.
The fact of the matter is that the hierarchs of Churches have put their believers in this awkward position of defending the indefensible. By inserting the Church into politics at the institutional level, as with Prop. 8 in the Mormon case, or with contraception coverage in the Catholic case, the Churches themselves have provoked this genuine populist reaction against their religiously-based bigotry, bias, and privilege.
I have known many Jack Mormons (having grown up in a neighboring state), and the author of the OP's quote publicly expresses, none-too-eloquently, pretty much the same exasperated, resentful disrespect for their former religion that these others have, in private. More bluntly put, every Jack Mormon I've known left the Church feeling that they'd escaped from a cult in the nick of time, before they were truly lost.
Would you call an escapee from the Branch Davidians a bigot for publicly exposing the cult from which they had escaped? Would you call a mother of 14 who escaped from the Quiverful movement a bigot for exposing the abusive beliefs and practices of that cult? That's how Jack Mormons feel, and in fact it's bigoted to dismiss their direct life experience and claim that you're purely intellectual understanding is the proper one.
and I have no problem questioning religion or pulling it logically to shreds. I do, dear, insist upon critical thinking.
Now how about YOU answer the queries I post. Then I'll be happy as pie to answer your questions- even if they don't exhibit much in the way of critical thinking, hon.
It may have even been family Home Evening.
The discussion was about the "when a Prophet speaks". First was the discussion about the Prophet of the Mormon Chruch, speaking as a prophet vs. speaking as a man. Turns out, in not so many terms, that when a prophecy was mis-spoken (given enough time, the veracity of a statement become apparent), the Prophet was actually speaking as a "man" and not as the mouthpiece of God, a prophet. We never know which holy or temporal statement is spewing forth, so to be on the safe side the rule of thumb is "when the Prophet has spoken, all discussion has ended".
The author doesn't claim that all Mormons are brainwashed. Here is the claim:
What the author is saying is that enough Mormons are brainwashed into mindlessly following the church leadership. There is plenty of evidence of this even outside what the author claims. The author is not claiming that every single Mormon is a zombie.
The author is not making an issue out of the fact that Romney doesn't talk about Joseph Smith. He's including facts about Mormon history because it's important to understand Mormonism if you want to understand Romney as the two are inseparably linked. Utah was founded as a theocracy, and it still is today. The suggestion that the LDS church would like to expand that authority beyond Utah's borders is not without merit.
Calling Mormonism a dangerous cult is not bigotry. You may not agree that Mormonism is a cult, but it's pretty hard to deny the evidence that suggests it is. 1) Mormons aren't any more Christians than Jews or Muslims, and they are more cult-like than any of those religions. Christianity is not dominated by any one source of leadership. If a Catholic is unhappy with Catholic leadership, they are quite free to become a Baptist. If a Baptist is not happy with Baptist leadership, they are free to become a Methodist, and so on. Judaism is not dominated by any one source of leadership and the same can be said for Islam. You can't say that about Mormonism or at least the LDS version of Mormonism which is by far the most predominate. 2) 90% of Mormons tithe. Even if you compare this to the hardest core Christians you can find, there is no comparison. Nowhere in Christianity will you find anything like this. Now certainly it is possible that 90% of Mormons are just so happy with their religion that they freely and willingly tie a certain (significant) percentage of their income back to the church, but I think a more logical interpretation of this is that Mormonism demands an extreme level of commitment which is most decidedly cult-like. 3) Mormons are obsessed with bringing in new members. By the LDS's own admission, they have over 50,000 missionaries at any one time. At first this may not seem like a whole lot. The Catholic church alone has easily twice that many at any one time. However, the Catholic church has over 1 billion members compared to about 14 million Mormons. So the Catholic church is 71 times larger than the LDS church, yet has only twice as many missionaries. Kinda makes you go hmmmmmm. Outside of cults, no other religion I know of is so obsessed with bringing in new members. 4) The LDS church preaches "Salvation through Works". This by itself is not necessarily indicative of a cult. Lots of different religions and denominations of various religions preach this. However, when you look at the expectations of this service which is indoctrinated into the Mormon faith, you can't help but draw comparisons to cults.
I understand it can be difficult for a nonreligious person to understand the effect cult religions can have on ones ability to think. I saw the full effect while living in Utah, it was unbelievable to me too, but I saw and experienced it for myself. And, the brainwashed have no idea that they have been, they believe that the rest of the country are the ones who can't see the truth.
Is it bigotry to keep the fox out of the henhouse?
Mitt wants to kill off Social Security -- he's already on record saying that.
He wants to reduce Medicaid -- he has said so before, many many times.
He wants to eliminate Medicare -- and he has bragged about that!
He wants to repeal the national healthcare plan that President Obama got passed into law in 2010.
So, poor people will have to beg at the doors of the Mormon church to get any food, any supplies, and anything else they need when the federal safety nets are torn down, that's why!!
the social safety net. They want people to be dependent on the church for helping with their basic needs, which gives the church leverage to exploit their spiritual needs.
And unfortunately, that common goal is why the majority of fundamentalists (who despise Mormonism as a cult) will fall into line at the voting booth and vote for Romney.
Their family was intact, respectful, warm, healthy, close, excelled in school but they made it very clear in the neighborhood that they only interacted with Mormons. In 15 years, they never went in any neighbor's house that I know of, and I in theirs just in the hallway only once for some forgotten reason.
It was a difficult time in my life and I actually considered it...why? because they are an amazingly tight knit group that worked very hard, all the kids worked, and would literally take care of each other to the extent they do not much need social safety nets and such, even though I'm sure they got their SS checks.
It was impressive, however, they consider themselves Mormon before any other label...including American. And they believe that every one else should take care of themselves, as well. Does not bode well for democratic social values for the rest of the country.
workers get to meet either the children or his wife. He deliberately kept them islolated. He was fired because he actually had two wives. I wonder how much of the isolation was to keep the two wives secret?
His family are mormon and I didn't realize that he was such a sorry ass person as they presented him to be at his funeral. He was like me at the time a pot smoker and I suspect that is why so much hate on him. Actually George was a good dude in anyones book except his mormon family. All of his friend like me were blown away by what was said about him at his funeral.
When the mormons come to my door I kindly ask them to leave and when they hem and haw I simply say remove yourselves from my property. I'll have nothing to do with anything you say so be gone.
I'm an old man who can think for myself and was raised in the baptist church ways who at about the young age of 14 decided I no longer can believe any of that so that may cloud my thoughts today somewhat. I'm non-religious is how I consider myself.
I have a pair of their Magic Underwear, and when put on by a non-believer, it makes them invincible. I'll turn back the Mormon tide if Mittens is elected.
Actually, I don't think he has much of a chance (not that we shouldn't be vigilant), but it would nice if science had some sort of device that let us view alternate timelines so we could look at a Mitt presidency and say, "See? I told you so!"
Perhaps an argument can be made that yes, they have.
I don't know if the primary church leadership itself has ever tried to influence Reid, but I do know that certain members of the church most certainly have. Many openly criticize his politics. To be fair, this is not that much different than Pelosi or Kerry and the Catholic church.
when his opponents said Kennedy, Catholic, would have a hotline to the Vatican.
When Romney gave his response to this concern, he hemmed and hawed and blabbed about how we should all follow our consciences, etc.
IOW--he would NOT state outright that he would put the U.S. Constitution over his religion.
God and the church run it," what kind of god would want to cut the programs
that help the least among us? How can Romney's vulture ways be consistent
with any religion?
a "legitimate" religion from a cult? What are the beliefs that make a cult a cult?
The whole idea of what makes a cult a cult and more specifically what drives anti-cult movements was really borne out of Christians who wanted to stamp out what they saw as heresy.
If you look at how they define a cult, you really find the same elements in most religions to one degree or another. However, there is no denying that some cults are most certainly dangerous and there are plenty of examples of this. I think it's much more important to figure out if the LDS flavor of Mormonism is a dangerous cult. I believe it is. The state of Utah was founded as a theocracy and still is. As far as I'm concerned, this is about as dangerous as it gets.
that I thought were on the edge of cult and they were "mainstream" churches. To me, when any church tries to take away a person's right to make decisions for themselves it's dangerous and cultish.
The whole point of having organized religion is to tell people what to believe. When you get into the business of telling people what to believe, you are essentially denying them the opportunity to decide for themselves what they should believe or even whether they should believe at all. When leaders of the church start pretending not only know that there is a god, but what that god wants them to do, you get into a very dangerous situation. If a church leader tells you what to do, how to act, how to think, etc., and they pretend to speak for god, to what higher power can you appeal if you don't want to do it or you disagree?
The Mormons are past being a cult. The line exists somewhere, and we know it when we see it.
Then there is the pesky First Amendment. And the fact that the vast majority are not Mormons and thus would not support or put up with it. If they are that stupid, in the unlikely event Mittens wins, it will be interesting to observe their consternation that it is not going to be that easy.
ment collapsed. In other words there would be no one to enforce the constitution. And from history we know that this can definitely happen.
So do they think they can then make it collapse? Well, this is a religion. Maybe they really believe that in spite of being a very small minority, they can "take over" the U.S.
For those RW Evangelicals, that would hold their nose and pick Romney over Obama, it certanly would give them pause. Which one really is the lesser of the two evils?