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H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:32 PM Feb 2021


I have read, both here and on other internet sites, a number of Good People who are disappointed with the impeachment trial. Some believe the Democrats should have called witnesses. Others can't believe that the republicans were so cowardly. I'd like to take a couple of minutes, if I could, to try to put things in a different context.

For those fortunate enough to not be familiar with me, let me begin by noting that I am on the tip of the left wing of the Democratic Party. During the trial, I was visited by two friends: one a former member of the Weathermen (now a doctor), and a young man who likes to be further to the left than me. I try to make him understand that isn't actually so -- I just prefer to stick to things that can be accomplished.

I make no claims to being accomplished myself. But there are a couple of things that I do know about: boxing and digging ditches for the foundations for houses by hand. In my youth, the two merged, as digging ditches is great training for fighting. By no coincidence, I pulled out and old scrapbook before starting this essay, and found the 1974 article my late friend Rubin Carter wrote for a boxing magazine. In it, Rubin notes that things such as justice and democracy require constant struggle.

It's not a fight that you win and that's it. Rather, it is only after one recognizes that it is constant that one can find true peace of mind. And that is exactly the peace of mind that allows you the strength to keep up The Good Fight. And we won more rounds in this week's impeachment trial than they did. Just like after most fights, you can tell by looking who won the fight, I dare say we left some lumps and bruises on the republicans. There are none on us. And the judges scored it 57 to 43 for us.

Now back to digging ditches to put in foundations for houses. Rubin had worked for a construction company early in his boxing career. I have photos from 1963 with Rubin working with a shovel. He taught me a good workout with a shovel that helps in boxing. Now, I was always digging in the hardpan and rocks of rural upstate New York, so I needed that peace of mind to even get started on a job.

In 2018, we saw a lot of people picking up their shovels and pickaxes and start on an essential job. We won back control of the House. In 2020, we all had our shovels and pickaxes and ballots, and now we have the House, the Senate, and the White House. Now that is a solid foundation to build upon. And this week, we saw the House managers build a beautiful room upon that solid foundation. But we aren't through, because justice and democracy require constant struggle.

Yes, it would have been very nice if the republican Senators all voted to convict the orange man who lacks convictions. But did anyone actually think there was even a tiny chance of that? No rational person could. It isn't in their nature. Don't put the bar too high. Remember that all important victories are the result of long, hard work and dedication.

This week was huge for Democrats, and horrible for republicans. Let's make the weeks and months ahead even better for us, and more terrible for them.

H2O Man
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Happy (Original Post) H2O Man Feb 2021 OP
Great analogy, H20 Man True Dough Feb 2021 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2021 #2
Hendrix, peace of mind and a Sat night essay from livetohike Feb 2021 #3
I was trying H2O Man Feb 2021 #6
Same down here in PA. It's been very cold and we haven't seen the ground livetohike Feb 2021 #17
A fabulous OP malaise Feb 2021 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2021 #7
⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Feb 2021 #5
Always good to H2O Man Feb 2021 #9
well said....and very helpful to many folks I think.... dhill926 Feb 2021 #8
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2021 #10
Raskin just blows my mind... dhill926 Feb 2021 #12
I admit, I was disappointed in the outcome even though I knew that they wouldn't convict. llmart Feb 2021 #11
Stacy Abrams! H2O Man Feb 2021 #30
I'm giving myself two days to be mad. Nevilledog Feb 2021 #13
Two days works ..... H2O Man Feb 2021 #32
The Hurricane Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #14
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2021 #41
Yours is the perfect analogy, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2021 #15
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2021 #43
I'm . . . not okay with this coeur_de_lion Feb 2021 #16
Weak??? ShazzieB Feb 2021 #31
They put on a fabulous case coeur_de_lion Feb 2021 #35
This week, I went H2O Man Feb 2021 #44
You're sweet coeur_de_lion Feb 2021 #47
Consequences. H2O Man Feb 2021 #48
Thank you that does help. coeur_de_lion Feb 2021 #51
I want investigations. I want all co-conspirators. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #18
Definitely. H2O Man Feb 2021 #49
Easy ones are being rounded up. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #53
Thank you many times over. Your thoughts are needed here, as some are indeed quite agitated.... Hekate Feb 2021 #19
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2021 #50
Thank You for the inspiring words. Tommymac Feb 2021 #20
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2021 #52
Trump will pay for (most) of his crimes, Federal or States. Lock him up. Feb 2021 #21
Big K and R. panader0 Feb 2021 #22
This line is gonna carry me for a bit too Wawannabe Feb 2021 #39
Liberating. panader0 Feb 2021 #40
Brilliant as usual. This week was a great week for Democrats. grantcart Feb 2021 #23
looks like the managers got a knock out and Trump's side dug a ditch and buried themselves housecat Feb 2021 #24
Beautiful H2O Man. I share your assessment. I'm very proud of what the House Managers did this week. Pepsidog Feb 2021 #25
Happy to kick this! mcar Feb 2021 #26
Thank you for the encouraging words, H20 Man! LaMouffette Feb 2021 #27
Yes, I was feeling bad tonight mountain grammy Feb 2021 #28
Thank you dianaredwing Feb 2021 #29
The Hurricane???? JanMichael Feb 2021 #33
Peace man! And thanks for the wisdom. Today KPN Feb 2021 #34
Great Post! ybbor Feb 2021 #36
Well said H2O Man! Gotta keep on digging those holes... FailureToCommunicate Feb 2021 #37
Dude Wawannabe Feb 2021 #38
Thanks for sharing the uplifting words dlk Feb 2021 #42
kick for visibility lamp_shade Feb 2021 #45
Always Fight the Good Fight Martin Eden Feb 2021 #46

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
2. Thank you!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:49 PM
Feb 2021

I think that when people have time to properly evaluate the trial, they will see it was a big win for us. Add to that the growing divide within the republican party, and it is all good.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
6. I was trying
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:12 PM
Feb 2021

to think of a happy song. And Jimi looked happy playing that one!

Life is good! It's been cold up here, and I haven't gotten outside as much as I like. But I did take my son's puppy for a walk through the snow today, to where about six deer sleep on the lawn at night, and on to the fields and woods. She likes tracking the deer until we get close, and she is anxious when her eyes meet theirs. Then she turns and runs -- her jumps elevating, much higher than my old bones take me.


(22,393 posts)
17. Same down here in PA. It's been very cold and we haven't seen the ground
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:53 PM
Feb 2021

since mid December. Going to have 8 to 12 more inches of snow starting tomorrow night. It gets harder to get outside and move around in this. Nice to have a puppy around though. My cattle dog mixes are four now. All this cold and snow doesn’t bother them at all .

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
7. Thanks!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:15 PM
Feb 2021

Heck of a week! And, as seriously as I took it, there were plenty of opportunities to laugh.

Add to that, for everyone who has been awake late into the night, pondering the cosmic question of why one does not hire a personal injury lawyer for a constitutional case, the answer is suddenly clear.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
9. Always good to
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:16 PM
Feb 2021

communicate with you!

I think the House managers provided as powerful a case as I have ever seen from Congress. And I've watched some mighty good ones!

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
10. Thanks!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:20 PM
Feb 2021

I was aware that the Trump legal team had planned to try to paint Rep. Raskin as a "radical leftist." After his opening, they had to take time for Schoen to change his sppech, including changing the order of the two speakers. I've had a very high opinion of Raskin for some time, but it increased this week. All the managers were outstanding.


(16,504 posts)
12. Raskin just blows my mind...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:24 PM
Feb 2021

first time I remember seeing him was on Rachel I think, just a regular interview before his son tragically died. I remember being really impressed. Now my admiration for him is thru the roof...


(15,846 posts)
11. I admit, I was disappointed in the outcome even though I knew that they wouldn't convict.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:23 PM
Feb 2021

However, I got over that very quickly when I realized that the morning's headlines could very well read "Bipartisan Majority of Senators Vote to Convict Donald J. Trump". They probably won't, but it is a completely accurate headline and summation. His punishment is still coming, albeit probably via different channels.

And yes, we need to fight like hell to not only keep our majority but to widen our lead. Be as tenacious as Stacey Abrams.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
30. Stacy Abrams!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:43 PM
Feb 2021

Oh, do I love that lady! And the influence she has on the thinking of young folks like my daughters. And sons.

Trump is the most cowardly of cowards. And what does that make his followers?

I'm mighty glad to be part of the Democratic Party's contest against the republicans. And we have the ability to continue to knock the hell out of them.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
32. Two days works .....
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:48 PM
Feb 2021

I do wish he was convicted, of course, to upset him. But I think it is worse for the republican party in the long run with today's verdict.

Kid Berwyn

(16,115 posts)
14. The Hurricane
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:28 PM
Feb 2021

Thank you, H2O Man. We are in the Good Fight for the distance, 15 rounds.

Abraham Bolden


by William Ernest Henley

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.

Source w/important commentary: https://www.troubadourmag.com/post/invictus-and-a-hurricane-poem-the-first

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
41. Thank you!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:43 PM
Feb 2021

One of my favorites requires three things: a shovel, a wheelbarrow, and a very large pile of gravel. Shovel 15 good shovels full of gravel into the wheelbarrow, grab it, and run. While shoveling, you can plant your feet in place, move around, or mix it up. This prepares you to fire 15 good punches, tie the opponent up, and move him back into the ropes. Repeat, over and over and over.

Also, using a cross-cut saw, then an ax, and end up with a load of fire wood. The funny thing is that my father had us doing that stuff any how! Young people today usually think of that as old school, and prefer fancy gym equipment. But that old school way got us in good shape!


(150,657 posts)
15. Yours is the perfect analogy, my dear H20 Man!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:35 PM
Feb 2021

I knew that we would not get a conviction from those cowards. I agree with you: this is an endless struggle, but we have the better tools and we won this round.

The struggle goes on and we carry it gladly, for we know that freedom lies within it.

Thank you!

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
43. Thank you!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:00 PM
Feb 2021

The House managers -- the whole team -- were so good!

While writing the OP, I was also thinking of the septic systems that I also dug. But that would have required my concentrating for plans for politicians like Ted Cruz.


(3,737 posts)
16. I'm . . . not okay with this
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:48 PM
Feb 2021

They could've held a trial. Public opinion could've forced GOP assholes to vote guilty, or at least made them look so shitty for voting not guilty that we could easily vote them out in 2022 and beyond. We could have and should have had weeks of testimony from cops who lost their eyes, fingers, or the families of the cops who died.

Clinton impeachment trial went on over 30 days. And he wasn't removed.

They should've let the truth come out and let the American people decide for themselves.

Democrats are just weak when it comes to standing up to the GOP.

This decision means the nightmare isn't over.

It just gives 45 a chance to recharge.

The he will be back, ruining all of our lives again.


(17,225 posts)
31. Weak???
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:48 PM
Feb 2021

"Democrats are just weak when it comes to standing up to the GOP."

No. Just no. In fact, hell no. There was absolutely nothing weak about the impeachment managers or the case they put on.

As I said in another thread tonight, they were playing with a deck that was stacked against them, and they knew it. In a courtrom, there is a thing called jury selection, wherein both sides get to screen potential jurors in order to weed out those who are biased, those who already have their minds made up, those who have a vested interest in the outcome. In a Senate impeachment trial, there is no jury selection. The makeup of the jury is already set in stone. That's why everyone who is in the business of predicting such things accurately predicted the outcome of this trial: aquittal.

Weak would be the House not bothering to impeach since no one expected a conviction. But that's not what happened. The House DID impeach, because it was the right thing to do. The impeachment managers put on a strong and powerful case, because that was the right thing to do. The ONLY "weak" people in that Senate chamber were the GOP Senators who voted to acquit.

If you want to disagree with any of the tactics used by the Democrats, feel free. I think that's fair game. But calling Jamie Raskin and the others (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/02/politics/house-impeachment-managers/) "weak" is where I have to draw the line. There is absolutely NOTHING "weak" about any of those people. They are the poster kids for "strong."

Look up "strong" in the dictionary, This picture should be next to it.


(3,737 posts)
35. They put on a fabulous case
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:54 PM
Feb 2021

Then they stood up to the GOP and said they were going to call witnesses.

But in 45 minutes they backed right the fuck down.

This morning when they said they would call witnesses and the other side were freaking out I told my husband, "The GOP is just not used to being in the minority." But that isn't true. The Democrats are not used to being in the majority.

They held all the cards and they folded anyway.

So don't go on a tear and get mad at me for thinking it was weak.

I don't need your bullshit on top of already feeling really low about this.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
44. This week, I went
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:52 AM
Feb 2021

to a doctors appointment. Seeking to take all focus and attention off of myself, I expertly shifted the conversation to politics. She told me about the number of people they see there, suffering from increased anxiety, depression, and stress. She said that includes a lot of children, because of Covid, and hostilities that have separated families, neighbors, friends, etc, due to the social-political stressors.

If a person has a health scare, it causes serious stress. And we are entering our second year of a constant scary health crisis. Many have been sick, and too many have died. And it's not just the virus. My brother died in January, and I see how hard it is for extended families to deal with the wide variety of issues that arise. Add to that, there's idiots refusing to wear a mask, People who are rude in parking lots. And a vicious, organized attack on our government.

So I understand people feeling down. Yes, I do. We are facing the reality of our political opposition deciding to use weapons to settle differences, as a military force. We are the party of rational thought, of non-violence, advocating for a just society. So people are going to get tired and discouraged.

People can only do the best that they can. And that's the great advantage of having a big team -- when some people are tited or discouraged, they can rest. For we have many different levels of talents, time, and energy. I wish that I had the energy that I did as a young man. But I don't. So I try to contribute as a tired and grumpy old man.

Being a tired and grumpy old man, I find benefit from reading Martin Luther King, Jr., Gandhi, and other inspirational leaders. Lately, I've been looking at the Gospel of Matthew, which is interesting for a number of reasons. For one, there are a series of quotes that sound mighty similat to Buddhism. A person might conclude that Truth is Truth, in both space and time. I also like that scholars think that it includes sayings from the hypothetical source Q, and also A. (Such manuscripts don't exist, of course, because they are from oral traditions among non-literate followers.) There are sixteen of those quotes in thay gospel, with some repetetion. For example, Jesus repeatedly says, "Do not be afraid," which is actually another way of saying that we must find peace of mind before we can bring about peaceful resolutions to the world's human problems.

We'll talk more soon. It's almost 2 am, and old men often become tired-er and grumpier after midnight.


(3,737 posts)
47. You're sweet
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 11:19 AM
Feb 2021

to try and make me feel better. I love everything you said above. Especially this:

. . . we must find peace of mind before we can bring about peaceful resolutions to the world's human problems.

I want the orange ape to have consequences. That's all.

And I want the Democrats to behave as if we are in the majority.

Do you think I can have those things?

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
48. Consequences.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 05:48 PM
Feb 2021

I'm not a fan of Mitch McConnaloid, but I had to partially agree with him when he said this: &quot Trump) hasn't gotten away with anything -- yet." On one hand, that is bullshit, because he got away with numerous things, starting with his 2016 behaviors, with the Ukraine, and on and on. But he is going to be facing some consequences now, as a private criminal, er, um, citizen. There are both criminal and civil cases awaiting the old boy.

Now, per "Democrats" ..... we have to remember there is a large range of Democratic Party politicians in Washington, DC. Each individual, in fact, has within them some progressive traits, mixed in with liberal, centrist, and conservative traits and values. I will speculate that people's responses to various stimuli tends to follow general patterns -- depending on what mixture of progressive, liberal, centrist, and/or conservative traits they have.

Let's take an example. For some reason, the attack on the Capitol comes to mind. I think we can agree that had to be on a range from uncomfortable to frightening for every person there for a good reason -- the politicians, their aides, the workers, and the police. What we might focus on is the immediate responses up to 48 hours later, compared to three weeks later. The Democrats were solid in recognizing both Trump's central role, and the need to hold him accountable. Right?

But by the time of the trial, there were differences of opinion within the party about issues, including the calling of witnesses. Quite a bit of the party's leadership, including in the White House, were opposed to calling witnesses. By mid-week, they knew which republicans were entrenched and unwill to vote to convict. So when Raskin announced he wanted to call a witness, he was giving voice to the progressive wing. That resulted in the "time out" and Senators going into a huddle.

It was up to leadership to determine the next step. Now, the simple truth is that calling witnesses offered potential benefits and negatives. In my opinion -- and I understand exactly why others may disagree, but I am basing my opinion on my rather shallow understanding of politics -- having Trump's legal team allow the information to be introduced, though not testified to, was the est of the potential outcomes. I think it was, in fact, what Rep. Raskin had in mind from the giddy-up. He played them. Just my opinion.

Now, what does that do, in the larger, national sense? It helps document the Truth, without the clutter of lies and bullshit the Trump team would have introduced. It avoided meaningful distraction, and put important information on the record. The public gets to see it on television, and read about it in the news. They know it is important, because it ruffled republican feathers, and put the legal chihuahuas' tails between their legs.

It is a further blow to the wedge that is dividing the republican party at the seams -- the cult vs the "regular" republicans. Those regulars did vote for Trump in 2020, but events since then insure that they want him removed from their party. Plenty of republicans have already left their party since November. We do not want them to become Democrats. That would damage our party severely. But we do want to splinter their party. And in such situations, one does best to strike while the iron is hot.

And that, my Wonderful Little Sister, is exactlywhy I'm saying we all need to don our blacksmith's gear.


(3,737 posts)
51. Thank you that does help.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 06:58 PM
Feb 2021

I didn't know the White House was opposed to calling witnesses.

I trust Biden and if this is what he wanted I can live with it.

You've always been my favorite brother!!


(34,984 posts)
18. I want investigations. I want all co-conspirators.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:55 PM
Feb 2021

If you don't dig the foundation deep enough, it will not support the load and it will not last.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
49. Definitely.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 05:52 PM
Feb 2021

We need investigations, indictments, prosecutions, convictions, and incarcerations. Nothing less is adequate.

Years ago, the county hired a firm to put up a new building for the mental health clinic's Day Treatment Program. I visited the site with the director of community services one summer afternoon, when they were putting in the foundation. I told her that it wasn't nearly deep enough, and that as a result, the roof would leak in the spring. It did leak. A lot.


(34,984 posts)
53. Easy ones are being rounded up.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 07:03 PM
Feb 2021

While the arrests of the insurrectionists are satisfying, there's a lot more to be unearthed. We need tenacious people who will do the work and people in leader positions to be willing to let them finish.

I had to hand dig the foundations for my house and garage, but I only had to go down 30 inches here in Kentucky. I'd hate to dig a foundation in New York. Sandstone is the toughest rock I had to deal with during the digging. I did buy a hammer drill to make it easier for the latest extension to my garage -- it's wooden posts on concrete piers.


(92,349 posts)
19. Thank you many times over. Your thoughts are needed here, as some are indeed quite agitated....
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:00 PM
Feb 2021

Some of our DU lawyers have weighed in, and now your philosophical perspective adds texture.

Stay warm and well!

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
50. Thank you!
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 06:45 PM
Feb 2021

I had read a few things by the DU lawyers, people I respect and trust. And I saw where some of our good friends, people we respect and trust, disagreed. And that's not only okay, but is a good thing so long as the conversations remain civil. And for the most part, they seemed to be civil.

It is pretty cold outside, and it looks like we have a storm coming through in the next few days. So I'll be primarily staying inside where it is warm, drinking coffee, and watching my sons shovel my long driveway in case I need to get out! Like I'd go out, rather than ask one of them to go to the store for me.


(7,266 posts)
20. Thank You for the inspiring words.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:03 PM
Feb 2021

I too am on the left of the left.

I was (and still am) angry about today's events. About this years events re Trump.

But...because I have been subject to the whims and arrows of The Right and The Center for over 50 years, I am used to getting over that anger very quickly.

Wait, not over - I use the energy from the anger to fuel my continuous efforts to help build a safer, saner, less hurtful World for all of Us.

I needed my moment of anger - indeed welcomed it. Now I can use the energy to peacefully get into some more Good Trouble.

Thanks again H2O Man.


H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
52. Thanks!
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 06:59 PM
Feb 2021

I hear you. And I have shared that for over 50 years, too.

In boxing, I learned to harness those destructive internal forces -- anger and fear -- to use to my full advantage in delivering a destructive force in the ring. And I would be outright lying if I attempted to claim that I don't experience those feelings gurgling up inside of me, as if I was a young guy, getting ready to enter that ring to fight. In fact, I've had that feeling frequently from 2020 to now, and it is usually a comfortable, warm feeling. I'm lucky it passes though, as I'm old and in no hurry to fight again! Ha!

We've seen some strange times over the decades.

Lock him up.

(7,113 posts)
21. Trump will pay for (most) of his crimes, Federal or States.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:11 PM
Feb 2021
The work to that effect has just begun. Contact your congress critters and keep up the pressure to that effect, because Justice matters.


(25,816 posts)
22. Big K and R.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:11 PM
Feb 2021

This line: "Rather, it is only after one recognizes that it is a constant that one can find true peace of mind."
You were lucky to have such a great mentor as Rubin Carter.
As a lifelong bricklayer, I've dug a lot of ditches by hand as well.
Thanks for this.


(5,830 posts)
39. This line is gonna carry me for a bit too
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:36 PM
Feb 2021

Once. Long ago. I had a boss that helped me with a mantra for challenging times and small frustrations.

She said. “Mel, no one died “. It has always helped me when no one did actually die. But. 7 persons died and I am struggling with the “ditch digging”.

H2O man. Gave me my new ability to cope.

Wonderful isn’t it! ?


(53,061 posts)
23. Brilliant as usual. This week was a great week for Democrats.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:18 PM
Feb 2021

Next week will be a great week for Democrats.

Soon we will pass the most popular legislation in 50 years. When Covid 19 stimulus passes at the same time Covid vaccines start rolling out in big numbers and Covid infections drastically fall a new optimism will become infectious. By July we will return to normal life and there will be a lot of pent up discretionary spending.

In the meantime Trump and company will start facing a cascading waterfall of depositions, both criminal and civil. Trump will eventually get on a plane to Abu Dhabi to escape the legal avalanche coming his way. That is why he became so desperate to remain in office, it provided immunity.

Decades from now people will see this as the beginning of a good age where the US economy started pursuing a Green New Deal and internal combustion engines became the endangered species.

Just as no one in the Middle Ages perceived that they were in the MA, nor expected the Spanish Inquisition, no one thinks they are in the Good Old Days at the time.

Twenty years from now we will be watching the 10 anniversary of the Rock Opera "Trump American Facist in his Own Words" and we will laugh until tears roll out when Trump's defense team sings that "I had to change my opening because the House Managers were so good" or "Don't impeach him, indict and imprison him".

Up next? Justice, Fulton County GA, Style.

These will someday be known as "The Good Old Days".


(2,096 posts)
27. Thank you for the encouraging words, H20 Man!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:24 PM
Feb 2021

I'm comforting myself, too, with the thought of how each of our Democratic candidates will be able to use their Republican opponent's vote to acquit Trump against them during their future campaigns. All they'll have to do is roll the footage of the insurrection and point out "My opponent thinks this is perfectly acceptable behavior!"

mountain grammy

(26,886 posts)
28. Yes, I was feeling bad tonight
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:26 PM
Feb 2021

and here's Jimi and your essay. Always uplifting, always inspiring.

Thank you so much for posting. I do feel better. Tomorrow I'll do some shoveling, but it'll be snow. All the best to you..


(406 posts)
29. Thank you
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:40 PM
Feb 2021

Instant gratification isn't always all its cracked up to be. Appreciate the voice of experience.


(1,566 posts)
36. Great Post!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:05 PM
Feb 2021

Everything you said is true.

I am sure people who voted for the orange menace, but not cult members, were impacted by the presentation the managers brought forth. They may have a hard time voting R in the future.

We do have the younger generation with us. If they can remain engaged, I like the country’s chances.

The GOP are like Buicks, they are past their time. Buick is at least trying to rehabilitate themselves, the GOP decided to become a cult. Plus, most of them are dying off both to age and stupidity in the pandemic.

The future has shades of brightness and if we do the right thing for people, and learn how to communicate our message, we will prevail.

Today’s decision sucks, but a large majority, not 67%, but 57% voted him guilty. The polling of the public is even higher. The tide is turning, and they are afraid of the inevitable.

And kudos and jealousy, that you knew Hurricane Carter. His jury sucked, too.



(11,855 posts)
42. Thanks for sharing the uplifting words
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:52 PM
Feb 2021

This has been a years-long emotional roller coaster for so many of us and it’s easy to lose perspective and get discouraged. Our House Managers were nothing short of brilliant. Their hard work and eloquence were a gift to our country and we should all be so very proud of them.

You are right about the struggle - it is ongoing and there is never a time we can rest on our laurels - evil never takes a day off. The ditch digging analogy is a good one to keep in mind.

(Btw, I had the privilege of meeting Rubin Carter after a talk he gave some years ago while doing promo tours for “The Hurricane.” His strength and perseverance were an example of never giving up and we can’t be discouraged or give up either.) Onward...

Martin Eden

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46. Always Fight the Good Fight
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 09:13 AM
Feb 2021

When we fight the good fight
We may win or we may lose
But if we don't even try
Loss is what we choose

You are quite right, my friend. This struggle is constant and there is no final victory, at least as far as our eyes can see.

Impeaching the orange creature was not only the right thing to do; it was an absolutely necessary thing to do -- even though acquittal by the Senate was fairly certain from the start.

To ignore a serious crime is to tacitly condone it, and this crime represented an existential threat to the foundations of our democracy. If our Democratic leadership chose not to even try to impeach this POtuS they would have chosen a LOSS with potentially dire consequences for our country.

During the last four years and especially the conclusion of it we have stood on the edge of the abyss. We cannot avoid that dark fate by simply standing in place; a constant struggle is required to prevent being pulled down into it.

As I'm sure you know, the Good Fight is almost never a perfect fight. We make mistakes and take our lumps, but get up off the mat with an indomitable spirit and determination to continue on with the necessary struggle.

We stay strong as long as we keep working that shovel, moving that gravel, and fighting the Good Fight.

Peace, H2O Man. We need you, just as we all need each other.

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