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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDiane Rehm Presses Sanders On Whether He’s US-Israel Dual Citizen
Source: TPM
"Senator, you have dual citizenship with Israel," Rehm said during the interview on her nationally broadcast show based on station WAMU.
"Well, no I do not have dual citizenship with Israel," Sanders, who is Jewish, interjected. "I'm an American. I don't know where that question came from. I am an American citizen, and I have visited Israel on a couple of occasions. I'm an American citizen, period."
Rehm cited "a list we have gotten" at NPR that said Sanders was "on that list."
Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bernie-sanders-diane-rehm-israel
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)NPR?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'job'.
Bernie as always, was fantastic, good luck Kochs. Bernie has named them as an example of the wealthy buying our government, so they have decided, rather than come out of their holes and face him, to do it the cowardly and sneaky way.
What an irrelevant and useless question, but then, it's NPR so ....
question everything
(47,263 posts)The reason, someone told me, is that eventually they want to be on the board and then...
Apparently they did the same for National Geographic?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)or was an anti-semite lurking in there all along?
I mean what the hell?
truth2power
(8,219 posts)Who knew?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)would she ask Scalia? nope.
Also read the transcript again, you seem to be confused about her "asking him".
She accused him. She told him that he was.
How do you feel about the question, "do you have loyalties to Israel?"
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)The equivalent would asking a catholic if he was a dual citizen of Italy.
MADem
(135,425 posts)contained within the borders of Italy and the seat of the Roman Catholic church -- might be a better analogy as Scalia is a devout Catholic.
They're asking Sanders about his citizenship because of his RELIGION...neither he nor his parents were born in Israel, which is a nation regarded as the spiritual home of the Jewish faith.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)The question is stupid.
MADem
(135,425 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)No arguing with someone who calls you a poo poo head. Playground Rules!
To add, dibs, and shotgun!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)didn't think so.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,190 posts)Yes, that's anti-Semitic.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And note the 'source' she was using to make that false claim.
So either she is an anti-semite or whoever handed her the memo is.
Take your pick.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Glad I could help.
question everything
(47,263 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Sometimes she's on point, and sometimes....
This is a new low, and should be called out for what it is.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)JI7
(89,172 posts)They won't always give names but i think we know they were not referring to pro israel members like graham cruz boehner etc.
Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)As a matter of fact one such list was posted here 13 days ago, and was hidden by a razor's edge.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)This one was 2-5 to leave, on someone's very first post at DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1054793
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
newbie anti-Semite falsely claiming Chuck Schumer is a citizen of Israel (the old dual loyalty card)
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:52 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It appears others think Schumer has dual citizenship, Can you offer proof it's a false statement?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So debunk it. Doubt poster will last, but I don't think it's hide-worthy.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Anti-semitic
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm taking your word for it about the fake citizenship claim.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A rather bumpy intro to DU, but don't judge based on one post. I suspect MIRT will be watching post #2 to see where this goes. Tread lightly new guy.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)The third link is the actual source (Eden on Facebook) she used on her show!
Codeine
(25,586 posts)No antisemitism on the Left, or so I've been assured.
Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)...allow me to affix my tinfoil kippah and say, it is a possibility this is dirty pool. Think about who the usual target audience of NPR is...it ain't usually the right. So why this accusation? Why so early in the campaign? If anything, the possibility exists it was a way to exploit anti-Semitism on the left and start a "whisper" campaign against Sanders. Jews are usually considered the responsible actors for many conspiracy theories, when the truth is we are usually the ones on the other end of the conspiracy!
rurallib
(62,342 posts)makes no difference if the accusation is true or false, the important thing is to get it out there.
lord, npr is getting near impossible to listen to.
SaranchaIsWaiting
(247 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)the Bush administration seeded the place from top to bottom with wingnut acolytes.
I gave up on them eons ago. They have a few good shows but they aren't the 'go-to ' source they used to be.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)appalachiablue
(41,047 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)due to the fact he's Jewish. That does not make him (or me or any other American Jew) dual citizens. It's a simple concept that both the far left and the far right seem to have trouble with.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)bigots of that particular persuasion are fairly diverse in their overall political leanings.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Ireland has something similar...If your parent/grandparent (one or several) were citizens, then you can get citizenship too.
Lots of nations have laws on these lines. Since Israel is a new nation, the pool of eligible is everyone who qualified for citizenship when the nation was founded.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)duped by an antisemitic website and should have done her fucking job as a journalist before she made an age old antisemitic charge against Sen Sanders. There are no excuses for it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I am not endorsing, excusing or excoriating her actions. I barely am aware of this woman. I have heard her program a few times.
I realize she has a chronic condition that makes her voice shake and change timbre, I'd know if I was a regular listener. To be frank, if the interview isn't compelling, I'm changing the station, as that timbre isn't easy on the ears. If I hear her at all on my own accord, I'm in the car. If I hear her in a home setting, it's at the house of a family member who has NPR on around the clock.
I'm looking at the simple facts here and this is what I come up with:
--She is an older woman. Is she internet-savvy? Did she retrieve that material herself, or was it handled to her? If it was handled to her, who did that? Could she have been "Dan Rathered" ahead of the general election, to silence one of the few remaining liberal voices at NPR?
--She is a Arab Christian whose parents emigrated from non-Arab Turkey (what brought them to Turkey, I wonder?). Does she labor under ancestral biases that inform her perspective? What are those biases, if they exist? Were her ancestor Arab tenants in Palestine under an Ottoman landlord, for example? That could be a basis for formation of a point of view.
--She has apologized, used the S word (sorry) and said that she made a mistake. She did that quickly, too, no shilly shallying or trying to suggest she was misinterpreted. Is that enough, or should she apologize to every American of Jewish heritage? Was she confusing Right of Return laws under the Israeli constitution with actively-sought out dual citizenship, or was she being deliberate, and will she explain how she came to pursue this line of inquiry with Senator Sanders?
That's where I'm at. I'm not here to bury her, or to praise her. My pitchforks are staying in the barn for now, and I'm not lighting any torches either. I need more details as to what she was thinking, and how she came to think this angle was productive. The GOP are very good at getting their enemies to eat their own, and I'm not going to rush to judgment yet.
One thing that this incident does highlight is the reaction that people will naturally have when it's THEIR ox being gored. I've noticed, often, too, on this board and elsewhere how people with objections are told
--How they are supposed to feel, how they are supposed to think, and why their reactions are "wrong" or unfounded, or
--What the person saying the offensive comments/doing the offensive things actually MEANT, as though one's eyes or ears were somehow deceiving them.
I'm not in that club. That shit is a two-way street, too, so people who are concerned about this matter should take pains to keep their "empathy" caps close to hand when they see others upset about perceived slurs on the basis of gender, orientation or race. Very recently I have observed some people with hair on fire over this perceived insult who played the "Get over it" card when snarky remarks were made about Caitlyn nee Bruce Jenner, and when a crude spoonerism was lobbed at SOS Clinton. We all need to walk a kilometer (hat tip to Linc Chaffee) in our neighbors' flip-flops every now and again.
Sooooooo. ... No rush to judgment--we've got plenty of time to figure this out.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and try and get inside the head of this moron who calls herself a journalist. Seeing as the same "list" has shown up here on DU a number of times, perhaps you should start your psychoanalyzing abilities right here.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Your response suggests that you didn't really read what I wrote at all..perhaps the smoke from your torch obscures your view..?
I see you're in a rush to judgment, so don't let me keep you...!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and want to keep her "liberal" voice unsullied. I did read your entire post and found it thoroughly unconvincing. You would never make excuses for that if she weren't a 'liberal". You'd be calling for her head on a platter.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Go play your halfassed, Fight Club Gotcha game with someone who digs on that shit.
You obviously don't read before you snark, and I'm uninterested in mud wrestling with you. DU fail.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)in someone who has a hissy fit when someone doesn't see the same things the same way. Just ask yourself if you'd be this sanguine if she were a right winger. Toodles.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Every double down a confession!
cali
(114,904 posts)unambiguously,that he has dual U.S. Israeli citizenship. When he said in no uncertain terms that that claim is flat out false, she kept at it, saying he's on a list. She did not identify the list. She came off as a stupid, nasty bigot. Fuck that kind of "journalism". No better than Fox.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)This is bad enough that someone should lose their job.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)A hair's breath away from anti-Semitism. Disgraceful.
cali
(114,904 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)And even if the question is posed artfully, pandering to anti-Semites is still anti-Semitism.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)researches stuff on the Internet, and . . .
cali
(114,904 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)so it's a pretty good sign that she has at least one real kook working for her
it used to be pretty common right here at DU.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22dual+citizen%22+israel&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&safe=active&gws_rd=ssl#safe=active&q=%22dual+citizen%22+israel+site:democraticunderground.com
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Whoever gave her that bullshit is one thing, and one she should have been able to
conclude very easily as garbage. Also, a staffer does not to my knowledge tell her how to frame it, either.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)crazy-ass anti-Semitic crap got spewed on NPR.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Chiyo-chichi
(3,562 posts)And it sounds like a clip from a Fox News audition.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)difficult to understand how it went down as a gaffe. Look at how she reacts to Sanders
in the response from the transcript. One of her replies to him is: Interesting...and she keeps
going forward with it. He shuts it down.
If her staff wrote her a source stating, water is not actually wet and she went with it as
a source for her show and did not back down when addressed, she'd be laughed out of her
job. Here she is confronted with a bullshit source any sensible person who fits her job description
should recognize but she went with it anyway...pathetic.
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Remember when NPR was respected? I guess "some people say" or "we've seen a list" counts for research and fact based reporting now.
Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)Sadly, he will have to deal with this over and over. What's really fucked up?! His stating, unequivocally, that is only an American, will still not be believed because "someone saw his name on a list". To think, just a few days ago, more than few were telling us his being Jewish "wouldn't be a big deal", "most people don't even know", Jews aren't "really" a minority.
It is what is.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)"so what's the big deal derp derp?"
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Programming at NPR stations is done locally. Local stations choose what programs they wish to pick up and air. The Diane Rehm show, like most public radio shows, is syndicated. It's probably best to complain to your local station. Tell them you won't support them, etc.
EDITED to change embarrassing typo of "pubic" radio to "public." Honestly, it was just a typo.
Iggo
(47,486 posts)We had one of our own a couple days ago admonishing us against calling Sanders a white man when he's actually a Jew.
It's easy to Never Forget when it never goes away.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)You're not doing yourself any favors.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)That's ugly, Diane.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)I believe she needs a time out or suspension where she can use the time for some sober self reflection.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Seems like it's a good place for troublemakers..
http://www.jewishjournal.com/mostthingsconsidered/item/did_npr_host_diane_rehm_just_accuse_bernie_sanders_of_being_an_israeli_citi
A cursory search on Google of Bernie Sanders Israeli citizenship shows that his name comes up in the comments section of the We are all Vittorio Arrigoni Facebook page. Arrigoni was an Italian pro-Palestinian activist who was kidnapped and murdered by non-Hamas Islamists in Gaza in April 2011. In the comments section of the Facebook page, on May 2 a user posted a list of senators and representatives who have both Israel and U.S. citizenships. Sanders is on the list. No source is given because the list is a total fabrication, not to mention created by an anti-Semite and anti-Zionist, which is given away by the fact that it says Jewish Lobby, #israelwarcrime, AIPAC: Buying Congress one seat at a time, Rothschild, and features an American flag with a Star of David replacing the 50 stars.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)citizen by a certain crowd.
Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)...at least two of us in this thread have been accused of it on more than one occasion.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)with a crazy person on the Internet.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)"list" came from. She should be disgustingly embarrassed that she used it. She owes Sen Sanders a humbling, crawling apology.
Coventina
(26,844 posts)Before you embarrass yourself more!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Who cares?
Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)So you ask "who cares?" Two groups: anti-Semitic assholes who think Jews run the world and are more loyal to Israel, and Jews because we are constantly accused of...well, I have already said. I guess there is a third group, people who don't like anti-Semitism being hurled at Jews.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I jus think they're looking for anything to throw at Sanders.
They must be scared.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to a foreign power.
this is the old 'dual loyalty' canard and it's shocking that someone would employ it without doing a fact check.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)but I think this is ridiculous.
surrealAmerican
(11,339 posts)Did Karl Rove send you that list, Ms. Rehm? You're supposed to be a journalist. Do your research, don't just trust the party line.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)NPR host Diane Rehm apparently fell for an internet hoax today when she falsely asserted that Vermont Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders held dual citizenship with Israel, forcing the Senator to snap back at the claim as nonsense on the internet and absolutely not true.
Sanders: I honestly dont know but I have read that on the internet. You know, my dad came to this country from Poland at the age of 17 without a nickel in his pocket. He loved this country. I am, you know, I got offended a little bit by that comment, and I know its been on the internet. I am obviously an American citizen and I do not have any dual citizenship.
A quick Google search reveals Sanders name included in bizzare Facebook groups and forums that go back to 2008, purporting to list all former government officials holding dual Israeli-American citizenship.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/diane_rehms_massive_bernie_sanders_oops_npr_host_falls_for_anti_semitic_israeli_citizenship_hoax/
I can't believe her researchers couldn't have figured that out from where the rumors were posted on the internet. Despicable.
madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Iggo
(47,486 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)(Which was proven to be totally bogus lie.) Way back in the Red Scare/McCarthy era.
Very disappointed in Ms. Riehm
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/mccarthy-says-communists-are-in-state-department
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Jesus wept.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)This is bullshit on so many levels. The worst thing about this is that he has every right to have dual citizenship. I wouldn't care if he did. He shouldn't even have to answer to that accusation. If it was true he should be able to proudly or matter of factly or angrily say yes he does indeed have dual citizenship that he is indeed a proud American and he is indeed proud of his heritage.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)What the everlovingfuck?!
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)It was only a matter of time. Though, I am a little surprised (despite my earlier claim) it appeared this early, and, well, I guess the source is a bit surprising.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I guess I expect that crap from the National Review or Stormfront, not NPR.
Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)However, I see it as reminder, anti-Semitism isn't just for "righties" anymore.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I don't want my tax money going to supporting bigots!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)household. From Wikipedia:
She has written two autobiographical books. The first, Finding My Voice, dealt with her traditional upbringing in a Christian Arab household
I would think that a supposed liberal from a Christian Arab household would be more informed than she appeared when she basically told Bernie he was an Israeli citizen! My bet is that she knew damn well what she was doing and had her own reasons, not reasons from NPR or the Koch brothers.
If my supposition is true, it shows she has a real blind spot. I've listened to her fairly regularly and consider her to be mostly liberal, but Israel/Jewish religion may be something she's not liberal about.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)His father is from Israel and Rahm even served in the Israel Defense Forces when the Gulf War broke out after the Clintons had him put on their campaign committee then...
And he selected our current president's cabinet!
http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/what-did-rahm-emanuel-do-in-israel-in-91
The Rehm-per-room joins the Rahm-per-room!
So... Bernie deserves to field this question and Rahm Emanuel doesn't?
JI7
(89,172 posts)FSogol
(45,355 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)tritsofme
(17,320 posts)By DUers against other members or especially Jewish politicians who support the Jewish state.
I hope the outrage transcends Bernie Sanders, this is a common trope.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)accusations of dual loyalty ain't just for the right wing anymore. It's depressing.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Go BERNIE!
JI7
(89,172 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)exactly as Bernie has publicly accused them of doing. So now they are spending some of their money to go after him, the sneaky and cowardly way.
But it will just backfire on them. Let them go debate him, rather than hire their usual tools to smear those who dare to tell the truth about them.
They are targeting him, as was reported. If you agree with this kind of behind the scenes tactic, fine, I do not. Even if it is against Republicans. It is destroying our electoral system and I hope that it does backfire on them, people are sick of it.
JI7
(89,172 posts)It's like claiming racism against Obama is because of Kochs and ignores the history and bigotry that currently exists
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Diane Rehm is not noted for racist attacks, why this attack at this time on this particular person?
Very much out of character for her.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Frankly I think she's taking the fall for whoever gave her the info, and from Bernie's campaign statement, I have a feeling they also believe she was set up. The site from which she supposedly got the 'the list' is clearly anti-semitic. Can't imagine why she would have been looking at such a site herself.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)See her apology here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026812327
So my CT seems a bit more credible at this point than her CT.
Either she is not what people assumed she was, someone with credibility, or someone handed her a memo. And from an anti-semitic source at that.
This thread is feeding what is now known to be a lie.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)is more likely to win.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Our side doesn't need the Kochs to parrot nasty, Jew-baiting slurs -- we've got that shit locked down.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)"You're on the list"! That is a despicable act of pseudo-journalism. What list? Where did it come from? Who wrote it? Is the source even remotely credible? Sanders, politely said it wasn't true. He was too nice.
It is valid to ask if he has dual-citizenship. But what she did was disgusting.
cali
(114,904 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)What insulting crap.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)And Diane should disclose exactly who gave NPR the list.
Wow.
She's going a little too far right for my liking anymore.
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)[link:http://thedianerehmshow.org/contact|
I did and demanded an apology.
http://thedianerehmshow.org/contact
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I asked them how it felt to be on the same plane as stormfront when it came to antisemitic garbage. I'm furious.
Sancho
(9,065 posts)If Bernie was the candidate, he would face millions of dollars in ads with rumors, lies, and CT's. He is practically defenseless.
All that's going on now are a few tests to see what could be used against him.
cali
(114,904 posts)funny.
disgusting and hypocritical to boot.
Sancho
(9,065 posts)I already told you several times that Bernie Sanders would face attacks on being Jewish. Maybe I have a crystal ball?
NPR and Diane Rheme are the tip of the iceberg if you think that was something to get upset over. It was nothing like you will hear if Bernie is the Democratic candidate.
Yes, it's funny that some people are "clueless" after all the lies about Obama's birth certificate. Same thing about Benghazi! If you are going to spread unfounded attacks about Hillary or anyone else, then you won't mind if there are unfounded attacks on Bernie.
You decide. Do you want a list of targets you'll see next. I'll predict one more: Bernie's wife's finances! Let me know when that one shows up. It's a matter of time. After that one appears I'll predict another. I have a list.
Anything with a "possible" scandal, even if it's not true, will magically show up. Anything that can't be proven or unproven, but has a little hint of innuendo will be used as an ambush. You'll see.
You see Cali, if you live by the sword and die by the sword. You have no complaints since you are one of the purveyors of the exact same bashing.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)What crap.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)"Would you vote for McCain if you knew he had fathered a black illegimiate child?"
it was disgusting and dirty, and against another Republican!!
Regardless of the affiliation of the person this is being done to...regrdless if this was a person I would vote for or not, I just wish this type of dirty politics would boomerang every singe time.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Iam not familiar with Diane Rehm does she always sound like the way she sounds ?
If so maybe she should consider another line of work .
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)I think she had surgery to improve it and it helped somewhat, but not completely.
She's been doing her show a long time and didn't sound like that years ago.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)has Trump jumped on this bandwagon yet?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Seriously, that's her story.
olddots
(10,237 posts)dignified ,classy and diplomatically .This is why he is my pick for 2016 .
MADem
(135,425 posts)On todays show I made a mistake. Rather than asking Senator and Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders whether he had dual U.S./Israeli citizenship, as I had read in a comment on Facebook, I stated it as fact. He corrected me, saying he did not know where the question came from. I apologized immediately, Rehm said. I want to apologize as well to all our listeners for having made an erroneous statement. I am sorry for the mistake. However, I am glad to play a role in putting this rumor to rest
cali
(114,904 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I think there's more here than meets the eye.
I'm going to wait and see if there's more to the story. I think there is.
LeftishBrit
(41,190 posts)Bernie Sanders has actually got considerably more political links with the UK than Israel: his brother and nephew are Green activists and former councillors here in Oxfordshire.
Needless to say, Bernie does not have citizenship in either the UK or Israel!
Anti-semitic stereotyping!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)That meme has been going around the intertubes for months. I've even seen it pop up here from time to time. Does the woman have any factcheckers at all?!
The list in question is in fact a list of every single Jewish member of Congress.