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Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:15 PM

 

Can we all agree? Hillary or Bernie, we'll vote Democratic in the general election!

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Reply Can we all agree? Hillary or Bernie, we'll vote Democratic in the general election! (Original post)
grahamhgreen Jun 2015 OP
Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #1
flamin lib Jun 2015 #2
ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #3
grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #6
HERVEPA Jun 2015 #51
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #4
mvd Jun 2015 #66
Hoyt Jun 2015 #5
kenfrequed Jun 2015 #7
hamsterjill Jun 2015 #8
pampango Jun 2015 #9
phantom power Jun 2015 #10
Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #11
DesertFlower Jun 2015 #39
ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #12
corkhead Jun 2015 #13
Maedhros Jun 2015 #14
Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #15
grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #16
elleng Jun 2015 #31
lunamagica Jun 2015 #57
Maedhros Jun 2015 #58
lunamagica Jun 2015 #59
Maedhros Jun 2015 #60
PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #17
AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #19
scarletwoman Jun 2015 #30
840high Jun 2015 #35
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jun 2015 #18
Hekate Jun 2015 #25
Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #20
Chan790 Jun 2015 #21
hrmjustin Jun 2015 #22
beaglelover Jun 2015 #23
Hekate Jun 2015 #24
scarletwoman Jun 2015 #26
Agschmid Jun 2015 #27
bravenak Jun 2015 #28
elleng Jun 2015 #29
KamaAina Jun 2015 #67
peecoolyour Jun 2015 #32
PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #34
Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #33
broiles Jun 2015 #55
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840high Jun 2015 #37
scarletwoman Jun 2015 #41
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gordianot Jun 2015 #52
hrmjustin Jun 2015 #53
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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:16 PM

1. Not sure. I'm interested in hearing more about man-on-dog and man-on-turtle sex.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:17 PM

2. Oh hell yeah! The alternative is too frightening to consider. nt

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:18 PM

3. Of course! And, it's "Democratic". nt

 

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:20 PM

6. Good catch! Got it!

 

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:11 PM

51. If the original poster said "we'll vote Democrat", that's OK

 

That usage is long-standing. Saying the Democratic Party is the crap the Rethugs came up with.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:18 PM

4. Of course. For me, it's because of the Supreme Court

more than anything.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:34 PM

66. Big factor for me also

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:20 PM

5. Definitely. I have no problem supporting the "lesser of two evils" if/when it comes down to it.

Especially, if it means the GOP have control of the White House and Congress.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:24 PM

7. Yes.

Even if by some weird happenstance it ends up being neither of them I will still vote Democratic. I personally hope it is Bernie but I will support whoever the Democratic party supports.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:29 PM

8. Count me in.

I will be ready to vote for the candidate who is a Democrat. And I'll be there to vote, too.

I'm a Hillary supporter, but I also love Bernie's wisdom. If Hillary does get the nomination, I hope (sincerely) that she will be wise enough to make use of the talents around and among her, including Bernie and Elizabeth Warren.

If the reverse were to happen and Bernie were to get the nomination, I would hope he would do the same.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:36 PM

9. Of course. But when you are negotiating, you don't want to give away your bottom line. It hurts your

negotiating position. So for now I have to say, "I may not vote for the candidate who is my #2 choice."

I want candidate A+, not A and A-, (all Democrats, of course). If faced with an eventual choice of candidate A or A- versus candidate F+, F or F-, I think my choice will be pretty easy.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:42 PM

10. +1

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:44 PM

11. I wish we could. But we don't.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:30 PM

39. that's sad. my late husband

did not like kerry and did not vote in '04. after that election i spoke to a lot of people who didn't like kerry so they voted for bush. i'm sorry my husband didn't vote, but he never would have voted for a repub.

i will always vote for the dem nominee.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:55 PM

12. Yup

Definitely

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:04 PM

13. Agreed, the worst Democrat is still far better than the best Republicon

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:19 PM

14. Sorry, but no. I will vote for the candidate who best represents my positions.

 

If it's a Democrat, then great. If not, that's OK as well.

Every election is sold to us as armageddon - "the country won't survive if the Republicans win!" Part-and-parcel of this 'armageddon' narrative is that we have to compromise our principles and vote for a conservative Democratic candidate.

So assume we continue to follow this strategy. What will the Democratic Party look like in 2028? Well, it will occupy a position much farther to the right than it does currently. What will we have gained by enabling the conservative elements of the Party? A conservative Party.

I will not reward conservative Democrats with my vote. Want my vote? Push progressive policy.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:55 PM

15. So you were just fine with folks voting for Nader in 2000 in Florida?

Let's punish Gore for not being the perfect candidate by putting George W Bush into office for 4 years?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:25 PM

16. Hey! We WON Florida! It was the Supreme Court who gifted that election to Bush!

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:15 PM

31. Damn right!

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:57 PM

57. Sure, the country will survive, but it may cost lives.

I think those people who are inflexible on this issue think this way because they can afford to do so. The country will survive, and so will them.

They can "vote their principles" regardless of the outcome, because the outcome won't affect them personally.

But others don't have that luxury.

And for too many people, having Bush in office was Armageddon. But I guess that for the people back then who choose Nader over Gore it was a big consolation that they "voted their principle".

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:03 PM

58. Again - coercion won't cut it.

 

You sound like a Mafia don making me an offer I can't refuse. "Nice country you've got here. I'd be a shame if something were to happen to it..."

I will reward with my vote the candidate that best represents my positions. If that's a Democrat, then great. If not, that's okay too.

If Democrats want my vote, they need to earn it. They are not entitled to it by default.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #58)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:09 PM

59. I sound like a Mafia don?

Because I'm pointing out that electing Republicans cost lives?

Oh, my. I have no words...

But may I remind you that this site is called "DEMOCRATIC underground"? And it was elected to help DEMOCRATS get into office?

I think positions like your should be part of this sites TOS

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:42 PM

60. I don't care. [n/t]

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:29 PM

17. My vote is my vote, not grahamhgreen's.

 

that is all.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:39 PM

19. +1

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:14 PM

30. Yes. Right on. nt

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:23 PM

35. yep +100

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:35 PM

18. Hahaha! This is still being debated??

 

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:01 PM

25. Yep. See post 21.


And posts 17 and 19. Also 14.

Still hotly debated on "Democratic" Underground.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:44 PM

20. Always.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:50 PM

21. Does not compute.

 

If Hillary wins the nomination, there likely won't be a Democrat in the General Election.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:53 PM

22. Iam loyal so yes i will vote for the nominee.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:59 PM

23. Yep

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:59 PM

24. Sure, but you know that means I am insufficiently pure of ideology.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:02 PM

26. I'm not agreeing to anything.

I'm already so sick of seeing this kind of question here I have no idea how I'm going to make it all the way to November 2016 without doing a Walt Starr.

Here's the deal: on election day in November 2016, I'll be about a week away from my 67th birthday. I will have faithfully voted in every damn election - midterms, off-year local elections, special elections, you name it - since I was old enough to vote. And I have ALWAYS voted for Democrats, period.

And since the largest demographic on DU is people right around my age, it's a good bet that a great many, if not most, have the same kind of voting history I have. We're on DU because we're passionate about politics, we're here because we want to be informed and involved, we're here because we care a lot about the state of our government.

I resent being asked how I will vote. I resent being asked IF I will vote. Dammit, I've been voting my whole adult life - it's sort of a habit, like breathing and eating and sleeping.

But I tell you what - I have never completely closed the door on the possibility of NOT voting, if I ever reach the point where it feels like it's just plain useless. If I ever the reach the point where I simply can't stand participating in the charade any longer.

So I'm not promising anything to anybody on an internet forum. I'll know what I'm going to do when November 2016 rolls around, and not before.

Now, get off my lawn.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:03 PM

27. Yes.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:03 PM

28. We always do.

 

No need for loyalty oaths.
Some may not go the extra mile for a candidate they don't like, but given a choice between a clown and a Democrat, we know what to do.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:13 PM

29. Hillary or Bernie or Martin,

I'll agree to that.

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Response to elleng (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:53 PM

67. Or even Lincoln.

 

Hell, even Jim, if it comes to that.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:15 PM

32. I was told HRC will be #45 with or without me.

 

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Response to peecoolyour (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:22 PM

34. I might take that one with a grain of salt

 

Source is questionable imho. The problem is, we have so many that run free here it gets hard to distinguish between honest and insincere members.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:19 PM

33. Not me. I'll vote Green.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:45 PM

55. I'm with you. No Hilary for me.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:25 PM

36. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:25 PM

37. No we can't agree. Tired of

 

this loyalty shit.

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Response to 840high (Reply #37)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:44 PM

41. Thanks. I'm tired of it, too. nt

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:26 PM

38. i will always vote for the nominee.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:30 PM

40. Nope

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:24 AM

42. No

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:27 AM

43. Yes, my union's future depends on the Republicans losing.

I would vote for a jade plant if it were running for the Dem party.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:33 AM

44. No doubt.

In it for the long haul, like most of us I think. The alternative is still fresh in memory - the miserable years 2000-2008.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:56 AM

45. I may have to rearrange my sock drawer that day.

I hope not, because I hate rearranging my sock drawer.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:00 AM

46. No. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.

 

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:25 PM

63. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.

 

So anything he says about 'submission' is to be denigrated. As for free will, if you can't willingly vote for the best candidate available, you're not seeing the big picture.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:39 PM

64. I plan to vote for the best candidate available.

 

But, I don't vote based on party.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:56 AM

47. Why would I promise my vote without knowing what and who I am voting for ?

I can guarantee that I won't vote for a republican. I can't guarantee that I will fill out the entire ballot.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:03 PM

48. no....

eom

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:05 PM

49. No. I can't vote for Hillary.

 

Fortunately, I will in CT, where the DEM will likely win my state with or without my vote. It's a win-win. I get what I want ( ) and the party gets what it wants.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:06 PM

50. Absolutely.

I adore Bernie, but there is no way in hell I'll split the vote and let Scott Walker become president.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:14 PM

52. Yes

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:15 PM

53. Puma was wrong in 2008 and it is wrong today.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:29 PM

54. Add Gov. O'Malley to the list and you have an AMEN from me

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:48 PM

56. Not just yes...Hell Yes!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:46 PM

61. she's done wonders for Lampedusa's population numbers, and Aguan palm oil's never been cheaper!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:19 PM

62. No, we absolutely cannot.

I've seen several "won't vote for" posts.

Even nominees have to win votes, and we don't have one of those yet.

As for me, I don't think there's anything any Democrat or Republican could do that would cause me to fail to vote D in 2016.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:45 AM

65. I do plan on it

Unless Hillary goes hard right, which I doubt. And I would have trouble voting for Webb - fortunately he has very little backing.

If Hillary wins, I hope she chooses someone like Sanders or O'Malley as VP. That would help build trust. Sanders may be too old to be picked since Hillary would also be older, but it would be great if he was her choice.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Jun 4, 2015, 04:33 PM

68. I have a few lines in the sand. My first one is reproductive rights.

I know they are all OK there. My second one is Social Security. Bernie Sanders I'm sure of, Martin O'Malley pretty sure, Hillary Clinton not at all sure, and Lincoln Chaffee is on record as wanting to privatize it.

So at this point I can't commit to voting for anyone besides Bernie Sanders. Probably Martin O'Malley, and maybe Hillary Clinton.

I will not vote for anyone who wants to cut SS and/or turn it over to Wall Street.

Period.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Jun 4, 2015, 04:47 PM

69. Yes, I agree to that.

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