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Sat May 30, 2015, 05:20 PM

Hey you young'uns.. wanna see how we used to fly?

http://www.ultraswank.net/travel/scandinavian-airlines-boeing-747-%E2%80%93-the-viking-of-the-1970s/

scroll down for the really fun parts....like:

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Reply Hey you young'uns.. wanna see how we used to fly? (Original post)
SoCalDem May 2015 OP
Frustratedlady May 2015 #1
Divernan May 2015 #18
Frustratedlady May 2015 #20
olddots May 2015 #2
Vinca May 2015 #3
SoCalDem May 2015 #5
Vinca May 2015 #7
cbayer May 2015 #11
PeoViejo May 2015 #4
SoCalDem May 2015 #12
immoderate May 2015 #6
SoCalDem May 2015 #14
Warren DeMontague May 2015 #25
wendylaroux May 2015 #32
Arugula Latte May 2015 #43
madokie May 2015 #35
Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #37
A HERETIC I AM May 2015 #44
awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #26
Drahthaardogs May 2015 #50
meaculpa2011 May 2015 #55
immoderate May 2015 #56
meaculpa2011 May 2015 #58
immoderate May 2015 #59
Warpy May 2015 #8
SoCalDem May 2015 #21
Warpy May 2015 #28
SoCalDem May 2015 #34
cbayer May 2015 #9
Hekate May 2015 #53
cbayer May 2015 #54
Divernan May 2015 #10
KittyWampus May 2015 #42
SoCalDem May 2015 #45
Divernan May 2015 #48
pangaia May 2015 #13
Warren DeMontague May 2015 #17
pangaia May 2015 #19
Jamaal510 May 2015 #15
Warren DeMontague May 2015 #16
Nye Bevan May 2015 #46
pangaia May 2015 #22
MisterP May 2015 #23
fizzgig May 2015 #27
Recursion May 2015 #39
Codeine May 2015 #24
Hekate May 2015 #57
Calista241 May 2015 #29
Major Nikon May 2015 #30
MADem May 2015 #31
nichomachus May 2015 #33
kentauros May 2015 #36
SoCalDem May 2015 #38
Takket May 2015 #40
kentauros May 2015 #41
Gloria May 2015 #47
Major Nikon May 2015 #49
CanonRay May 2015 #51
SheilaT May 2015 #52

Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:24 PM

1. Passenger trains were also a lot nicer...

The food was great, though expensive.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #1)

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:00 PM

18. Trains are still great in the UK/Ireland/Germany

My stepfather was Chief Mechanical Officer on the B&O RR - that translates to being in charge of all of the rolling stock and being chief purchasing officer for the RR. And that came with a private railroad car - updated version of the car in Wild, Wild, West. I got to travel with my Mom & him twice - from Baltimore to Chicago. What an experience. The car had a formal dining room - my first experience with finger bowls! When he traveled in the private car, his staff included a valet, a male secretary, and his favorite Pullman chef (the one who could cook my stepdad's favorite central European dishes.)

My stepdad was born in Pilsen, a city in western Bohemia in the Czech Republic. His parents emigrated when he was an infant, to West VA. His Dad worked in the mines and my stepdad played football at & graduated from WVU. Started with an entry level job with B&O & worked his way up. Glory days for him, and glory days for the U.S. when 1st generation immigrants with no connections, could make it to a top job.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #18)

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:12 PM

20. Interesting post.

My first train trip was in the 50s. My friend and I went to the dining car and sat down with an elderly couple. He had ordered a rare steak and I (being a farm girl) thought it was so rare, it still had legs and would walk off his plate. We ordered sandwiches and a drink. The gentleman paid our checks. Neat couple. Fun trip.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:25 PM

2. we are Devo

 

and we are getting angry .

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:26 PM

3. It was great, wasn't it?

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Response to Vinca (Reply #3)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:31 PM

5. It makes me sad to think that soon there will be no one left who even remembers

how much fun it used to be to fly... These days, it's awful..and is why we now drive ( as long as we do not have to cross an ocean we are fine

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #5)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:38 PM

7. I remember as a teenager I longed to be a stewardess.

I had my heart set on Eastern Airlines, but I can't remember why. It was a huge disappointment when I never met the 5'2" height requirement. I flew quite a lot until they turned into cattle cars with wings. Now I drive, too.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #7)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:46 PM

11. I also wanted to be a stewardess.

You might have liked Eastern because of their super cool uniforms.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:30 PM

4. Not having seat belts..

 

..made it a lot easier to find the late passengers after a sudden deceleration.

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Response to PeoViejo (Reply #4)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:47 PM

12. there were belts..but people used to take them off and mingle

the whole atmosphere was to relax & have fun

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:36 PM

6. People got dressed up to spend a day on a plane...

 



--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #6)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:49 PM

14. Back then people just dressed up to do most things

we were a more formal society then..

People dressed up to go out for dinner, to the movies, to go shopping

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #14)

Sat May 30, 2015, 08:04 PM

25. goils were goils, and men were men

mistah, we could use a man like Hoiboit Hoovah again.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #25)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:00 PM

32. Ha!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #25)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:07 AM

43. Yeah, then the meatheads ruined it all.

 

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #14)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:09 PM

35. I still do that

get dressed up that is.
One of my favorite items in that department is the steam iron and ironing board

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #14)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:16 PM

37. yes. it was socially unacceptable to be in casual clothes around strangers

 

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #14)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:09 AM

44. There were days when men wore suits, ties and hats to a ball game.

This is 1947, but look at the crowd behind Truman. A sea of Fedora's and overcoats and almost every man has a necktie on..





Now they look like this moron;

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Response to immoderate (Reply #6)

Sat May 30, 2015, 08:04 PM

26. Back then...

 

you didn't have to practically disrobe to get through security.

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Response to immoderate (Reply #6)

Sun May 31, 2015, 10:04 AM

50. That depends on your perspective.

Growing up, that was just daily dress. Dressing up, was a suit and a tie, not just a jacket. Sweatpants were for gym class as were t-shirts. I am not that old either. I find the way people dress today borderline gross. I really do not want to see every contour of your butt in your yoga pants nor do I have an interest in seeing your underwear in your saggy jeans. I especially love the stupid kids wearing shorts and sandals with wool socks when there is 18-inches of snow on the ground.

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Response to immoderate (Reply #6)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:31 PM

55. We lived on E. 78th Street...

in the early 70s.

No one would ever set foot south of 59th Street in casual clothes.

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Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #55)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:40 PM

56. I grew up in Far Rockaway, which though part of NYC...

 

was laid out like a small town. I remember my mother, would not wear shorts, or even pants, to "go into town," the commercial area.

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #56)

Sun May 31, 2015, 06:49 PM

58. OMG! When I lived on E. 78th Street I worked in...

Far Rockaway. A car rental agency in the corner of Mott Avenue and Beach 19th Street.

Worked days and went to Hunter College at night.

One day the sales manager for WNBC TV rented a car from me. He lived in Belle Harbor.

I gave him my resume and got a call about six months later.

I worked at NBC for six years.

I loved Far Rock. Unfortunately, I got held up at gunpoint and had a bad feeling about going back.

My wife taught at P.S. 42 in Arverne. One of her students was killed at Far Rock high School in an altercation over his jacket. She hasn't gotten over it.

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Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #58)

Sun May 31, 2015, 07:08 PM

59. As I recall, Beach 19th Street was also called Central Avenue.

 

That was the heart of town, where the library was. I lived on Beach 13th Street, which started where Mott Avenue ended, and went to the beach.

Before I moved out of Rockaway, I taught in East New York and Brownsville. I'd rather have been in Rockaway.

Far Rockaway High was one of the better schools. But I went to Brooklyn Tech. Lots of train rides through the bird sanctuary.

--imm

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:39 PM

8. Well, to be fair, that was first class

Cattle class was usually a little tighter than that, but those original tray tables used to fit a full sized tray of real food.

The first airlines were propeller planes, took longer to get there but still beat driving.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #8)

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:16 PM

21. Lots of the perks were in coach

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #21)

Sat May 30, 2015, 08:33 PM

28. Maybe on international flights

I sure as hell never saw that in the US unless it was in a lounge in the airport.

However, it was nice to eat real food off real plates without having the guy in front of you recline with his head in your lap while he kneecapped you.

Then again, there was the puddlejumper flight I took through the Smokies, my first time flying alone when I was a kid. The flight attendant was a guy who sat in the open door with his legs hanging out between landings. That was special, even in the old days of prop planes.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #28)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:03 PM

34. Chicago to Seattle, June 1971 United

Piano bar in coach lounge...and pong tables..remember those things ..

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:41 PM

9. On the very first flight I took, there was a pack of 5 cigarettes on my seat tray when I sat down.

And I was 13 years old.

The last time I flew, they charged for water and a seat assignment.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #9)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:22 PM

53. I don't miss the cig smoke, but I really really miss the leg room! And the courtesy, and food....

....and did I mention the courtesy of fellow passengers? Airlines used to advertise their wonderful leg room in all cabins. First class was super duper special, but the rest was not bad.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #53)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:24 PM

54. Agree. It was fun.

Now it's close to torture.

And they treat you like dirt. The airlines have some of the worst customer service on the planet.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:43 PM

10. I don't miss wearing makeup, a girdle, stockings & high heels!

All while traveling with an infant & toddler across country (LA to Baltimore) to visit Grandma. Changing planes in the Atlanta airport was truly a nightmare! (back in 1965)

But the food was excellent! Grandma sprung for first class seats, and the fare included filet mignon, cooked to the requested degree of doneness, along with champagne. One meal served between LA & Atlanta; the second served between Atlanta & Baltimore.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #10)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:59 PM

42. there were often white gloves involved as well.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #42)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:15 AM

45. I think I still have some gloves somewhere.. I even had a nice pair of lace ones

and the matching high heels & purse.. We looked Mahhhhhhvelous

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #45)

Sun May 31, 2015, 03:40 AM

48. And hats! Dept. stores all had ladies' hats departments.

I recall having at least three hat boxes. You could stack several hats in one box. And the gloves - white kid, different lengths - for summer, and brown or black leather ones for winter. Unlined or lined with cashmere or silk. Wrist length, 4 button length, above the elbow (opera) length to wear with evening dresses. There was an etiquette involved at formal dinner parties - unbutton the buttons at the wrist area, and fold the lower part of the glove and tuck it in above the wrist. Then one ate with bare hands.

So glad those times are long gone.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:48 PM

13. In the last photo at the link it is not an MD-80,

it's a... a... oh darn I forget.....

Somebody help.....

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Response to pangaia (Reply #13)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:59 PM

17. 727?



I used to be an airplane nerd, as a kid.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #17)

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:03 PM

19. no.

Oh, it's a Caravelle .

Brain fart.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:57 PM

15. The additional leg room

looked nice. It's kinda cool to also think about how people used to get suited up to go on planes and most other places.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:58 PM

16. I'm not an aviation expert

but I think standing inside the fan intake area of a jet engine isn't particularly safe during flight.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #16)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:27 AM

46. Well of course today's health and safety fusspots wouldn't allow that today.

But back then things were different.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:17 PM

22. My mother was a 'stewardess' on American Airlines.

She flew on DC-2s and DC-3s in the 1930s.
One of the routes she flew was NYC to DC.. I have 2 photos of her.

1- standing on the steps with Will Rogers, Jr. Having done a little research, this photo must be DC-2 as Rogers died in August 1935 and the DC-3 wasn't put into passenger service until June 1936, according to Wiki.

2- A Little Rock, AR news paper clipping and photo of her in the cabin in flight with Eleanor Roosevelt. !!!! Mrs. Roosevelt taught my mother to knit while flying from DC to NY. Cool, eh.

While you are in the mood to be impressed , I know the grandson of the man who built the floats that were on the plane in which Will Rogers and Wiley Post crashed.

PS.. My first ever flight was on a DC-3 from NY to Vergennes, VT in 1961. We went though a storm. I threw up.





Applause and donations accepted.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:37 PM

23. many will still blame low ticket prices--but that disregards the fact that

you can get better service for comparable price in other countries (except like Colombia), that service is reduced even when ticket prices increase, that the money's going to profit (rather shaky, I don't know who designed the airlines' business model, if anyone), and there's a deliberate policy to crush people out of steerage and into a rainbow of new "economy plus" fields

all I care about is that there's no gum nearby, since it sounds like a snail caught in a garbage disposal and smells like a fire in a urinal-puck factory

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Response to MisterP (Reply #23)

Sat May 30, 2015, 08:15 PM

27. i can't afford to fly anymore

the only reason my husband and i got to go out to virginia (from colorado) is because we found a good deal for him and his folks got my ticket.

it costs $450 to fly out to see my mom now, so i just make the 13-hour drive. i'm going to see her later this year and, if i go alone, i'm taking the train. doesn't take much longer and i don't have to deal with the trucks, construction and bullshit on I-80.

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Response to fizzgig (Reply #27)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:48 PM

39. Smaller airports got really screwed by deregulation

The deal with the airlines until Carter was "you fly everywhere around the country, and we'll set fares in a way that makes big markets like New York City subsidize small markets like Muncie and Fargo".

So you had fare floors that airlines couldn't go under by law, and they had to compete on services. Hence, posh accoutrements and stewardesses with "cosmetic weight limits" (yes, really; it was very icky). On the whole, flying was more expensive and more rare than it is now but in smaller regional markets (say, southwest VA) it was cheaper than it is now.

It's currently cheaper to fly from NYC to SFO than from NYC to Jackson, MS. Is that a better or worse situation? I'm not sure. A lot more people want to fly to SFO than to Jackson, but I'm one of the people who wants to fly to Jackson, so I dislike it.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:49 PM

24. It also cost a shit-ton more,

wasn't nearly as safe, and everyone got to breathe up three packs of Winstons during the flight. It was also quite racially segregated, but hey -- free booze and more legroom.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #24)

Sun May 31, 2015, 01:18 PM

57. Today's lower fares are mostly illusory, by the time you add back stuff that used to be.....

.....part of the fare: two bags plus one carry on, coffee tea or milk, water, a meal, and sufficient personal body space to sustain life. Given time I'll remember the rest. Oh yeah, free booze was not offered in the cheap seats.

I never heard of racial segregation on air transportation, although there no doubt was in hiring. But then, my flying from 1957 to 1979 was always between Hawai'i and California, nuff said. I lived in the Islands during those years, and I was frankly poor. I had to save up, and when I travelled it was always to family. As a college student I took advantage of chartered non-sched flights back to the Mainland at Christmas (my parents moved back in 1965).

Because my family is so spread out, if I want to see them I have to fly. The same year I moved back to California my sister moved to Massachussetts. It is what it is.

But I can say from experience that flying, which used to be an adventure, something to look forward to and even dress up for, is now a flipping nightmare of extreme discomfort and sometimes outright pain. TSA is just the frosting on the crap cake created by the greed of the airline owners.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 08:34 PM

29. that carpet is out of control. n/t

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 08:50 PM

30. I go even farther back

Piston aircraft at low altitude, no cabin pressurization, cruising at 155mph, and no security checkpoints. I've tried to get my wife to wear a throwback stewardess outfit, but she won't do it. She does provide food and beverage service.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:00 PM

31. I remember paying MORE in dollars to go round trip to the Carribbean in the early seventies

than I would pay today, even in high season.

It was absurdly expensive to fly. The reason it was so nice is because people paid out the ass for the "experience" and were less inclined to behave as if they were on a crosstown bus.

Those are lovely memories, if you don't think about the price, and the fact that the women aircrew (flight attendants) were held to standards that the men were not. The women were jettisoned if they got too fat or old, while the pilots could waddle on the plane, old and fat, and never have to fear for their pension. It wasn't a fair system at all.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:39 PM

33. As long as you realize

That the first photo isn't real. It was a concept advertising photo. No one ever flew like that.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:10 PM

36. Ultra Swank is a great site!




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Response to kentauros (Reply #36)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:42 PM

38. I spent about 2 hours there.. every link leads to more wonderfulness

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Response to kentauros (Reply #36)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:50 PM

40. what brand is that odd looking laptop sitting on the desk in the center-right of the photo?

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Response to Takket (Reply #40)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:55 PM

41. Looks like a bloated version

of my AlphaSmart Dana


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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:54 AM

47. I recall flying United in 1979 on a 747 where a BUFFET was set up

along a dividing wall! CHINA, real forks and knives, etc. I remember wondering how this would work during
Turbulence. It was hard enough holdihg the food, utensils, and drink during this relatively calm flight...no trays!




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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 09:26 AM

49. Air China stewardesses

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 10:06 AM

51. Yes, but the planes were full of cigarette smoke

it was awful.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:12 PM

52. All of the photos are PR photos.

 

The original seating configuration in coach on 747s used by US carriers, was 2-4-3, a total of nine seats across. So the seats themselves were a bit wider than those in the 3-4-3 configuration, and there was more distance (pitch) between rows.

The coach lounges didn't last very long, maybe for the first year the original widebodies were in service. But they were nice, and made it pleasant to get up and walk around the airplane.

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