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Sat May 30, 2015, 09:32 AM

Barney Frank calls out Dennis Hastert & GOP hypocrisy with a perfect statement

Barney Frank:

"There is a hypocrisy issue," Barney Frank said. "Dennis Hastert was a member of the House who voted for the Defense of Marriage act. He subsequently as Speaker twice put before the House of Representatives the constitutional amendment that would have cancelled retroactively all the same sex marriages that had taken place legally. ... The rank hypocrisy of this man using his power to persecute other people for doing what he was doing. Secondly, and it is relevant to note that in terms of the hypocrisy area, you mentioned Gingrich had to quit. It turns out Gingrich was at the time having an affair with the woman he is now married who was an employee of the House Agriculture Committee. And then Livingston who was supposed to replace him had to quit because he was having an affair not just with a woman but with a lobbyist who was lobbying him. So then in an effort to get somebody [who was clean], they get Hastert. The point is that all this was happening while they were impeaching Bill Clinton for having oral sex. So I think that it now looks like if you take Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, Dennis Hastert, and Robert Livingston the the Republican Speakers or would be speakers, Clinton is a choir boy."




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/30/1389022/-Barney-Frank-calls-out-Dennis-Hastert-GOP-hypocrisy-with-a-perfect-statement

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Reply Barney Frank calls out Dennis Hastert & GOP hypocrisy with a perfect statement (Original post)
kpete May 2015 OP
Gidney N Cloyd May 2015 #1
karynnj May 2015 #4
Scuba May 2015 #5
appalachiablue May 2015 #16
roguevalley May 2015 #27
Android3.14 May 2015 #39
cstanleytech May 2015 #45
PDittie May 2015 #2
HERVEPA May 2015 #3
PDittie May 2015 #17
HERVEPA May 2015 #18
PDittie May 2015 #19
csziggy May 2015 #29
ejbr May 2015 #12
awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #20
mountain grammy May 2015 #6
calimary May 2015 #31
RussBLib May 2015 #38
peacebird May 2015 #42
7962 May 2015 #44
Frances May 2015 #53
7962 May 2015 #57
mountain grammy May 2015 #46
yeoman6987 May 2015 #54
Fred Sanders May 2015 #7
Plucketeer May 2015 #8
workinclasszero May 2015 #9
erronis May 2015 #13
Kalidurga May 2015 #10
PumpkinAle May 2015 #11
libdem4life May 2015 #14
awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #21
libdem4life May 2015 #22
awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #23
peacebird May 2015 #43
libdem4life May 2015 #49
Gregorian May 2015 #15
BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #28
SomeGuyInEagan May 2015 #33
BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #34
appalachiablue May 2015 #47
BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #48
libdem4life May 2015 #50
Gregorian May 2015 #35
BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #37
47of74 May 2015 #40
The Wizard May 2015 #24
The Wizard May 2015 #25
kairos12 May 2015 #30
orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #26
MrMickeysMom May 2015 #32
63splitwindow May 2015 #36
Hekate May 2015 #41
merrily May 2015 #51
guillaumeb May 2015 #52
pa28 May 2015 #55
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:38 AM

1. Probably the first and last time for Bill Clinton being called a "choir boy."

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #1)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:15 AM

4. Not to mention, it goes a bit too far -- all of these were worse, both in what they

did, but in the fact that all had pretended to a being "moral" and "upstanding", while Clinton, from at least the 1992 election agreed he had "caused pain in his marriage." However, "choir boy" goes too far, though I assume that may be Frank's hook to get attention to all the details wonderfully laid out.

What it likely does show is that among men with the ambition to run for office and the customs that in many cases make it a norm that the family lives in the home state, might lead to many elected officials being unfaithful.

Hastert goes beyond all of these if, as appears to be the case, he took advantage of a student who was under his guidance as either a teacher or coach - or both. I wonder if the slowness of his reaction to the Foley accusations, where pages were abused by Congressmen was partly that he did not really see this as being as despicable as it was because he had done essentially the same thing to high schoolers. Even if the student was an 18 year old senior, this is unethical. If, as might also be the case, the action was not consensual, it is despicable regardless of age.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #4)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:45 AM

5. +1

 

VT? Blacksburg?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #5)

Sat May 30, 2015, 01:20 PM

16. What happened at VT?

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Response to karynnj (Reply #4)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:21 PM

27. I don't know how these others can be worse. There is a victim in

Clinton and Hastert's cases. For the victim, there is no prioritizing. Clinton was a total idiot and he abused his position and power to get what he wanted from someone in a lesser position who thought he was going to marry her. For me, they are both assholes. Period.

Its rather like the duggars. They chose to save their son over FOUR daughters and someone elses girl. There is no upside to any of that and there never will be for Clinton. He was a grown man making an ass of himself. He owns it. Forever.

I voted for his sorry carcass twice and lost my brother over defending him. F bill clinton for what he did. Seriously, I think they forget what century we live in and the tech that is here.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #27)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:18 AM

39. Right.

 

Because power only attracts a victim.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #4)

Sun May 31, 2015, 08:53 AM

45. A student? When did they release that information because the last time I heard was only that it

was a male and that it happened when he was a teacher which meant of course that it was either a fellow teacher, an intern who was there studying for their teaching certificate or a student.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:06 AM

2. I don't think that's a perfect statement.

Child sexual abuse isn't the same thing as gay sex or extra-marital heterosexual sex.

As with rape, it's about dominance and control. So I understand.

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Response to PDittie (Reply #2)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:14 AM

3. Not exactly a child

 

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #3)

Sat May 30, 2015, 01:33 PM

17. I don't understand this response.

The Google machine tells me he had a relationship with a male student at the high school where he was a teacher.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-second-person-accused-former-house-speaker-hastert-of-sexual-abuse-official-says/ar-BBkp6II?ocid=iehp

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Response to PDittie (Reply #17)

Sat May 30, 2015, 01:43 PM

18. legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/childchild.

 

a person 14 years and under. A "child" should be distinguished from a "minor" who is anyone under 18 in almost all

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #18)

Sat May 30, 2015, 02:07 PM

19. Thx nt

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #18)

Sat May 30, 2015, 07:57 PM

29. Do we know how old "Individual A" was when Hastert abused him?

I don't know what ages Hastert coached or taught. All I've read is "high school" which prior to the establishment of middle schools covered from about 13 to graduation, so Hastert could have coached or taught kids 14 years and under.

I have not read anywhere the age of "Individual A" either now or at the time of his contact with Hastert.

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Response to PDittie (Reply #2)

Sat May 30, 2015, 12:06 PM

12. On the flip side

I don't think anyone is claiming that Hastert wanted to marry someone of the same sex, so he is not actually doing the "same thing", but whatev...I get his point.

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Response to PDittie (Reply #2)

Sat May 30, 2015, 02:41 PM

20. The people going after Bill

 

we're standing on family values, which, they themselves, did not follow. Statutory rape is not a family value.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:51 AM

6. The hypocrisy is astounding..

A child molester impeaching Clinton for a sexual dalliance.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #6)

Sat May 30, 2015, 08:16 PM

31. Isn't that rich!?!

I also noted that while Clinton got an illicit blow job (from a consenting adult who was in her early 20s, above age 21, who evidently went after him, with visions of "presidential knee pads" dancing in her head), his most vocal critics like henry hyde, newt gingrich, dan burton, bob livingstone, and plenty more, had done far worse than just enjoy oral sex, and what they did actually adversely affected others. Like soon-to-be-ex-wives, baby mamas, and families. All of their dalliances actually broke up marriages - their own, AND those of their lovers', and led to fatherless kids, knocked-up mistresses, out-of-wedlock births, and a whole lotta child support and alimony payments. As I recall, Bill Clinton's various offenses never resulted in breaking up anybody else's marriage, OR resulted in any out-of-wedlock pregnancies or births. If there were any, do you think for an instant we would NOT have heard about it by now - "hey Bill, I'm the son/daughter you never knew you had..."?

And Clinton never passed himself off as some sort of Grand Moral Poobah or National Arbiter of Morality and Godliness. For Pete's sake, that's ALL the aforementioned Pharisees on Capitol Hil who so loudly condemned him have ever been known to do. They're card-carrying members of the Holier-Than-Thou Club. ALL of them speaking with forked tongues, groping fingers, and open zippers.

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Response to calimary (Reply #31)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:52 PM

38. well put! - n/t

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Response to calimary (Reply #31)

Sun May 31, 2015, 07:25 AM

42. beautifully put, Calimary, simply beautiful!

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Response to calimary (Reply #31)

Sun May 31, 2015, 08:37 AM

44. Lewinsky was the LEAST bad thing Clinton did.Rape was the worst.

 

All the other women who say he either raped or assaulted them have always been tossed aside simply because Clinton was "one of us". Yet the same people who call these women liars will tell you how awful Bill Cosby is based on stories that are a lot flimsier than what was brought against Clinton. I believe they're both abusers.
Certainly the GOPers are hypocrites. But so are the democrats. It seems as though protection of women only matters up to the point that the offender is popular.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #44)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:04 PM

53. This is the first time I've heard that someone claimed Bill raped her

Do you have a link?

I remember one woman who said she had consensual sex with Bill Clinton.

I remember another woman who claimed she had sex with Bill Clinton while he was governor.

I remember another woman who said Bill Clinton put his hands on her in a suggestive way.

But I don't remember any woman who claimed Bill Clinton raped her.

My impression was that women generally went after Clinton and he did not say no.

I don't think Clinton noticed Monica until she flashed her thong at him.

But if you have a link to something else, I'd like to see it.

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Response to Frances (Reply #53)

Sun May 31, 2015, 03:07 PM

57. There was one:

 

You really never heard of her? Juanita Broderick said in '98 she was raped. Others claimed what most of us would say is sexual assault; groping, grabbing kissing etc.
Paula Jones, of course everyones heard of her, & Kathleen Willey
The Jones case was tossed for a really stupid reason, saying Jones wasnt actually harmed so had no standing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/broaddrick022599.htm

She displays many of what we would call normal signs of a victim; denial, fright, feeling it was her fault

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Response to calimary (Reply #31)

Sun May 31, 2015, 09:01 AM

46. I remember a boss I had. She was a rich Republican

Who labeled Bill Clinton as "just sleazy." Really? From a party full of degenerates.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #6)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:33 PM

54. Well actually the impeached him for lying about it

 

Which will be hasert's downfall too.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:53 AM

7. The point is the massive hypocrisy...preaching and legislating restrictive Holy Morals to others - while Willy goes free.

Yet there one of them even getting paid by CNN to proudly display his hypocrisy, as if it means nothing for Republicans, but everything for Democrats..isn't that the mass media propaganda message?

There are advantages to being crazy, folks are forgiving if you are crazy.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:08 AM

8. Exactly, Fred!

 

Preaching against, while practicing IN..... Matters not, the specifics. In a party that's STILL officially pushing for a world that operates like a 50s family sitcom (Father Knows Best comes to mind) they seem deaf to their own tunes!

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #8)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:18 AM

9. Preaching against, while practicing IN

 

That describes rethuglicans hypocrites to a T!

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #8)

Sat May 30, 2015, 12:06 PM

13. And if we don't think pedophilia and incest existed back in those golden 50s

Father Knows Best, young lady.

I remember reading that life on the prairie with 20-30 miles separating the nearest neighbors was no picnic for families.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:24 AM

10. It's not really perfect...

I am having a hard time laughing at this it is too Duggarish. Behind the hypocrisy is a victim of rape at the very least even if he was 18 he was preyed on by a teacher/coach it is not a consensual arrangement. If it had turned out that this was some guy Hastert was having an affair with that was neither a student or member of the wrestling team and he was over 18 and it was just an affair well then I would be laughing my butt off. I don't think being gay is wrong but hiding out in a closet while making laws that hurt other gay people that is very wrong. And that hypocrisy does make Clinton look like a choir boy.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:34 AM

11. GOP tagline "well that's different"

Thanks Bernie was speaking out.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 01:11 PM

14. Family Values...Quick, ask for Forgiveness. Or as another saying,

 

Saturday Night's Sinners become Sunday Morning's Repenters. See how that works? Just don't die between Saturday night and church service in the morning. Hell awaits, I tell you, Unforgiven Sin.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #14)

Sat May 30, 2015, 02:44 PM

21. "Saturday night sinners

 

Sunday morning repenters"- I am going to steal that

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #21)

Sat May 30, 2015, 02:49 PM

22. Feel free. Actually it's "repenters" ... the Jimmy Swaggert type ...but it infers "repeaters". LOL

 

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #22)

Sat May 30, 2015, 03:00 PM

23. Oops, bitten by autocorrect

 

I will fix it now

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #14)

Sun May 31, 2015, 07:27 AM

43. I think they phrase it "Not perfect, just forgiven" or something like that....

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Response to peacebird (Reply #43)

Sun May 31, 2015, 11:04 AM

49. I've lived with it since birth...trust me there are Many Versions to this delicate question. But

 

that's surely one trotted out frequently. Another, "If you just knew Jesus, you wouldn't be asking."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 01:13 PM

15. Conservatives are messed up.

Messed up parents raise messed up children. And then there's Ron Reagan. But in general it has been my experience that these people lack empathy, one of the most crucially important aspects of the human being.

A lifelong friend described conservatives as people who lacked evolution. They still think everyone is either an enemy or food.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #15)

Sat May 30, 2015, 07:15 PM

28. So well put.

I agree, they lack empathy. That is what makes them so infuriating and confusing: they're completely empty where their humanity is supposed to be. That is hard to fathom.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #28)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:14 PM

33. Nailed it. Conservatives tend to lack empathy.

That is a common trait I notice among Conservatives I know. That, and they view all issues as black-and-white, no middle gound. which is why simple messages work best with them (Lutz is a master of that, Dems can sometimes take five minutes to say what could be said with, "The grass is green."

But to the empathy issue, I have thought for a long time that really is the big difference between Liberals and Conservatives. Until it happens to them or someone close, they simply cannot grasp it.

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Response to SomeGuyInEagan (Reply #33)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:22 PM

34. I know brain studies have shown differences

I'm pretty certain I read that...if I'm wrong, or if it was a bad study, please correct me.

I agree on the simplistic thinking too. Seen that a lot. And a lack of foresight into likely long term effects of present actions.
Also, I've noticed a real lack of personal insight as well. No self reflection..

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #34)

Sun May 31, 2015, 09:10 AM

47. Several of those traits especially lack of empathy, personal insight and concern for

negative impacts on others are also in the group of characteristics that distinguish sociopaths. It's no wonder that these personality types often excel in business where self purpose, risk taking, profit seeking and indifference to policies damaging others are common, even rewarded.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #47)

Sun May 31, 2015, 09:23 AM

48. Yes indeed, cluster B personality disorders.

Yep.

Yecch.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #34)

Sun May 31, 2015, 11:42 AM

50. When a mind ceases to inquire, but repeats the closed loop tape, mental, psychological and all are

 

aspects are stunted. Brain growth functions in the search for new information and the intelligence follows. In fact, one of the best "brain stretchers" is to learn a foreign language.

Negativity, regurgitating or speaking from history is from the "Lizard Brain". The short, instructional animated piece illustrates that those who consciously entertains new ideas have higher intelligence. Oversimplified, yet instructive.



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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #28)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:23 PM

35. Thanks!

I'm glad to see you around. Every once in a while our paths cross. And then I get happy.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #35)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:48 PM

37. likewise!

Hadn't seen you in so long, I thought you left!

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #15)

Sun May 31, 2015, 01:14 AM

40. William Miller would've died of shame...

 

...if he saw what happened to the GOP.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 04:33 PM

24. They impeached Clinton

for a non-impeachable offense and the "liberal" media were cheer leading for them. What part of Bill Clinton's anatomy would the "liberal" media have blamed if we got hit with another 9-11 during the Bush cartel's reign of error?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 04:35 PM

25. Jerry Sandusky was an assistant football coach

Hastert was the Spanker of the House.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #25)

Sat May 30, 2015, 07:58 PM

30. Lol

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 04:38 PM

26. Repression is what they're all about .

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:47 PM

32. A low bar with what you basically have to compare... bad behavior...

The bottom line is that it's all bad behavior, just a matter of who's the bigger hypocrite.

It's pretty bad when what you care MOST about in office is power, be it through one or another orgasm while exerting your power over another human being… None of this is the reason you're supposed to be in office.

I understand what good behavior costs. So, I should not really worry about ANY politician who cares more about power than leading while serving others, because he's mild compared to the others?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:44 PM

36. $$$

 

The $$$ necessary to hide his hypocrisy came from selling the influence (lobbying) that WE paid him to acquire.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 02:42 AM

41. Bless Barney Frank for telling it like it is. It's the flaming reeking hypocrisy. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 11:47 AM

51. Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury and maybe also contempt of court.

As a sitting President, he lied in the Paula Jones court case and when questioned by Starr. His license to practice law in Arkansas was suspended for the same reason.

I don't know why Dems can't tell the truth about that.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 11:50 AM

52. Hastert's sexual hypocrisy is NOT the worst of it.

It was Dennis Hastert who introduced the concept of the "Hastert Rule" while he was Speaker of the House. Under the Hastert Rule, no legislation would be brought up for a vote unless it could be passed solely with Republican votes. Hastert was a hyper-partisan hack who was one of the leaders in the modern obstructionist party known as the GOP. That he has been exposed as a hypocrite, possible sexual predator and possible financial fraudster is no surprise.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:37 PM

55. Hypocrisy on a scale that monumental scale needs to be identified in public. Good for Barney. n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 02:02 PM

56. Barney had his OWN problems in office, child prostitution being run out of his apartment

 

but OH,,,he didn't know that his roommate was doing this.

Paul Bonacci also implicates him in the Franklin Cover Up. Paul Bonacci testified he was flown to DC and to MA to sleep with him. He was underage.

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