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Wed May 27, 2015, 07:44 PM

Not Good Enough, Bernie

Alana Massey writes about how the Apotheosis of Washington - which was painted in 1865 by Constantino Brumidi and adorns the ceiling of the U.S. Capitol Rotunda - points to the white protestant roots of American racism.



When the fresco was completed, four million black people called the United States home but were only that year able to enjoy even the most limited experience of citizenship when the Civil War ended and the Emancipation Proclamation began the process of ending slavery. Of course, Brumidi’s fresco only features white faces.

His painting illustrates the complexities of a nation inextricably informed by the religious ethics of its founders and those who continue to wield power today: Religious white men, ascending to fame on the strength of their ideals. Even those founding fathers—who identified primarily as deists—shared views that aligned with Christian theologies. American society is heavily informed by this religious foundation, specifically in terms of racial injustice, even as religious identification declines.

But perhaps the most gut-punching story of all was about the release of this picture:




That photo would be horrifying at any time. But coming on the heels of all the incidents of police shooting unarmed black men and the Department of Justice report detailing the outlandish racism that permeated the Ferguson Police Department, City Hall and Court system, it is nothing short of soul-crushing.

It is due to all of the above that I have to say that when Sen. Bernie Sanders kicks off his presidential campaign with a suggestion that he is launching a "political revolution to transform our country," and yet makes zero mention of any of the issues that burden people of color in this country, my response is simply..."Not good enough, Bernie."

Read More http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2015/05/not-good-enough-bernie.html

Oh, and before you ask.

We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go
Q: Is race still the most intractable issue in America?

A: It is abundantly clear that race and racism are defining challenges not only in the United States but around the world. We have made progress. You can look at this stage and see an African American, a Latino, a woman contesting for the presidency of the United States. But there is so much left to be done. And for anyone to assert that race is not a problem in America is to deny the reality in front of our very eyes. You can look at the thousands of African-Americans left behind by their government with Katrina. You can look at the opportunity gap. So, yes, we have come a long way, but, yes, we have a long way to go. The march is not finished, and I hope that all of us, the Democratic candidates, will demonstrate clearly that the work is yet to be done. And we call on everyone to be foot soldiers in that revolution to finish the job.
Source: 2007 Democratic Primary Debate at Howard University , Jun 28, 2007

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:49 PM

1. .



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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:22 PM

316. Epic flame bait OP indeed.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:52 PM

2. .

 

Um ....

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:52 PM

3. A ever ending battle it seems...

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:53 PM

4. Did you really have to go back to 2007 to find something Hillary said on race?


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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #4)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:57 PM

6. And?

She believed it then and she believes it now.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #6)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:03 PM

10. Like her war vote? No, wait, that's not right...

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #6)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:08 PM

13. bernie marched in 63 for civil rights

while hillary was busy trying to get goldwater elected

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #13)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:41 PM

36. Ha!

Well~

My Senator Warren, who I voted and campaigned for was a Republican until her 40's. She is beloved here at DU by many that want her as President. Me, I want her in the Senate kicking ass.

Any more comments on Hillary for a brief shining moment was a Goldwater supporter.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #36)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:00 PM

65. you are the one posting an op implying bernie is not cool on civil rights

i was just pointing out he stood with martin at the beginning and has ever since...his speech pointed out that poc have the highest unemployment rates and that that needs to change

btw did you know single moms used to have a guaranteed income? it was called cash assistance but that was before clinton "reformed welfare"

and honestly i like the things warren says but bernie has been saying them way longer and actually got the fed audited one time...you know where we found out that while the fed was nickel and dimeing the American people they were giving foreign nations 13 trillion bucks?

fed=big banks

so are you a fan of fracking? because hillary has been pushing that all over the world....

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #65)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:29 PM

81. Again, I am a fan of facts so here is the section you referenced

 

The truth is that real unemployment is not the 5.4 percent you read in newspapers. It is close to 11 percent if you include those workers who have given up looking for jobs or who are working part time when they want to work full time. Youth unemployment is over 17 percent and African-American youth unemployment is much higher than that. Today, shamefully, we have 45 million people living in poverty, many of whom are working at low-wage jobs. These are the people who struggle every day to find the money to feed their kids, to pay their electric bills and to put gas in the car to get to work. This campaign is about those people and our struggling middle class. It is about creating an economy that works for all, and not just the one percent.


https://berniesanders.com/remarks-by-sen-bernie-sanders-waterfront-park-burlington-vermont/

Now, did Rick Santorum post a link to his speech? I would like to link to it on the article I just posted just as I did for Sanders yesterday.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #36)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:05 AM

230. Hillary has the blood of 1,000,000+ dead Iraqi civilians dripping from her hands. How

 

many civilian dead is Sanders responsible for?

Goldwater advocated using nuclear weapons on the Vietnamese. Please point to any time when Sanders said or did anything remotely similar.

Until you can plausibly defend Hillary's Iraq vote in 2002 in a way that won't offend the intelligence of your average 5th-grader, you really need to look at yourself and why you support her.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #230)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:33 PM

258. I see the same crowd all posting the same type of posts

to attack Bernie today. The posts are just worded a bit differently. Reminds me of the Snowden push on this site a while back. I like Hillary and am undecided but these posts are disgusting.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #230)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:33 PM

258. I see the same crowd all posting the same type of posts

to attack Bernie today. The posts are just worded a bit differently. Reminds me of the Snowden push on this site a while back. I like Hillary and am undecided but these posts are disgusting.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #230)

Thu May 28, 2015, 04:09 PM

275. There are things I like about Hillary and things I detest.

 

But I want Bernie as our candidate. I think he has a real
chance of an astonishing victory. Yesterday I saw a clip
of Blitzer talking to Bernie, and they showed a clip of
Hillary. She reminded me too much of Cheneys; her
smugness, and the way she looks away and down, rather than
directly at the person addressing her, was Cheneyesque.
And I do not mean to equate her in any regard with those
ghouls, except she reminded me of him and his demon offspring
in body and expression to such an extent that I was terrified
for the rest of the day.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #230)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:41 PM

322. Just to add to what you have, it's also worth pointing out that military members from

African-American and poor white families join due to the general lack of opportunities in our nation. These are the people who have sacrificed their blood for the wars started in Iraq and Afghanistan. The vote for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were votes against those disadvantaged.

The fact that Hillary Clinton supporters continue to throw racial issues at Sanders is pure hypocrisy.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #322)

Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:18 PM

446. However,members of the military are, on average, better educated than the civilian population.

 

People who serve in the military also come from more well-off neighborhoods than those who have not joined the military.
According to Syracuse U.


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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #230)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 02:34 PM

443. There have not been 1M killed in Iraq. Not even close. Bullshit number

 

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Response to 7962 (Reply #443)

Sat Sep 26, 2015, 09:25 AM

444. Just ignore The Lancet and Johns Hopkins U. Clearly u know more

 

Than their combinedwisdom and expertise.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #444)

Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:10 PM

445. Apparently I do. Most RELIABLE studies show maybe HALF that number. Including Johns Hopkins.

 

But if you want to count people who died of the flu as "Iraqi war deaths", have at it. And the vast majority of deaths were at the hands of other Iraqis, not the US

http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/10/15/study-nearly-500000-perished-in-iraq-war/

"Researchers with UW’s Department of Global Health, UW’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, Johns Hopkins University, Simon Fraser University and Mustansiriya University were part of the study team."

This in NO WAY excuses the WORST foreign policy blinder in our history. I just dont like when people make shit up to make it look even worse

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Response to 7962 (Reply #445)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:41 PM

453. Excess deaths

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That's what it's called. People who died but would not have if the war hadn't happened. Does it matter if they died of flu but couldn't get to a hospital because they'd all been bombed? You don't give seem to care about people - yes, Iraqis are real people - why are you on this board? It used to only be republicans who tried to downplay the disaster that was the Iraq war.

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Response to PaulaFarrell (Reply #453)

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 08:08 AM

455. I said it was the worst foreign policy decision ever.

 

People die of illnesses every year. Claiming ALL of them were because of the war is ridiculous. Most extensive studies never reach near a million war deaths.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #6)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:42 PM

37. Just for factual stuff

 

I care for that factual stuff

Bernie Sanders marched in the south during the civil rights movement.

I also heard the speech, and MOSTLY HEARD IT, and then read it. His concerns for economics and the wealth of the 1 percent is not leaving African Americans behind

Anecdotal, but one of the earliest volunteers for his campaign locally is a recent immigrant who;s main language is Spanish. She is looking forwards to cast those votes. She is also looking forwards to getting voters to do the same.

And since I am not partisan on this. after the scam attempt, long story... I need to write the story on Santorum launching today, just as we ran a story on Bernie launching, and Rubio and Hillary.

There is a level of clarity that is reached when one leaves politics behind. It is quite cleansing for the soul actually.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #6)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:30 PM

126. You refer to her beginning to find out at age and her AA mentors.

As far as the Goldwater issue, she quit them just as she entered college when she got her real education and fought racial discrimination at her college.

Warren was also a GOP much later in life. I know some people that were 'born Republican' but this was prior to the advent of Atwater's Southern Strategy. FDR gave into southern Democrats who didn't an anti-lynching law passed - that's not equality under the law, due process, etc. Now they absolutely hate what they have become. They had their eyes opened.

So each hero fails to be perfect. I just read a scathing piece from the WSWS about how Sanders is an 'imperialist, anti-labor, blah, blah, blah.' I don't think he's any of those things nor do I think that all GOP were racists. He is however, much more mainsteam than he is being painted here. He'll get thrown under the bus.

I don't blame Sanders or Clinton for following trends. Right now we have trendy Libertarianism. But it's just proto-feudalism when you look at the end game. Same as those who want to tear the Democratic Party down for their Utopia. There are mass graves that underpin empires of whatever type or ideology.

That's just fact and it doesn't comport well with those who think only they can be right and all the rest are to be dismissed out of hand as stupid, lackeys, sheeple, and the rest of he names we hear online. It is a part of the human condition.

So while I find the OP's intent difficult to make out, I see what you are really going for from the majority of your posts. Nothing's going to suit everyone due to their life experiences and their priorities.

Mine is denying a right wing GOP to move into the White House, the same as Bernie has stated without blinking. We're damned close to it, because they have much more money than we do. Yes, much more than HRC.

But this OP falls more under the label of social justice rather than the new, let's forget about the racism that enabled stuff (that makes iSIS look tame) and make a fresh start and be economics only. I think Bernie is a much better man than some that have attacked Clinton allegedly on his behalf, when he would not stoop to the level.

Let's be as neutral as possible. I get the point you are making, but others may not get it. Expect flames, as some are unable to contain themselves.

Ignore spares me a lot of vitriol and willful stupidity on online websites. Misery does indeed love company, but it doesn't get anything worthwhile done.



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Response to freshwest (Reply #126)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:10 PM

149. Maybe the Op was to obtuse for some.

You got it.

The point, we need social justice for PoC and yes, so many more, women yes, LGBT, yes. No I did not mention all in my Op.

Economic Justice without Social Justice is a fail. I DO NOT WANT PEOPLE to believe that Economic Justice alone will trickle down to those of us, who, how should I say this, the ones that are socially impaired by our government. The ones that can not marry the one they love. The women that are being jailed for a miscarriage because they call it an abortion. The people of color that can not walk down the road without being shot in the back by a police officer that claims they feared for their life.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #126)

Thu May 28, 2015, 04:24 PM

277. At least one Factual Error in your post

you stated:
"she quit them just as she entered college"

No she didn't.
She served at least one term as president of the Goldwater Girls in Wellesley.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #277)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:00 PM

296. I think one term as prez of College Republicans, not Goldwater Girls, since

she was still in high school during the '64 election.

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Response to deurbano (Reply #296)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:54 PM

452. So being a Republican then was all great once the Goldwater election was over?

 

And she sought and became the LEADER of that Republican chapter then. And yet her surrogates keep harping on him never being a Democrat. Well, UNLIKE Hillary, he also decently was never a Republican, unlike Hillary!

Did you find anything which documents Elizabeth Warren being heavily active as a Republican when she was?

Also note that Ronald Reagan left the Democratic Party for the Republicans at a LATER AGE than Warren was when she became a Democrat! Now do Republicans actually question whether he was a Republican or not?

And even Michele Bachmann was a more active Democrat campaigning for Jimmy Carter when he was a "born again" candidate for the Democrats back in the day.

The point is, just because Bernie doesn't have enough pals in Silicon Valley (probably due to him liking H-1B visas less than Clinton!), and he doesn't have them making a big multi processor and parallel electronic brain that mirrors his own where he can address every moment in recent history when something calls attention to the Hillary gang for him to comment on something affecting POC in a fashion that we can't keep track of all the different comments he's made, doesn't mean he DOESN'T care for them.

This continues to be a bullshit tactic that just because he doesn't comment on every event that the Hillary gang wants him to comment on every minute of the day (probably so that in their mind he doesn't have time to talk about the things in the economy that many of us care about and care that he cares about), he somehow "isn't good enough!"

I tell you what in my book isn't good enough!

I'll continue to harp on this, as it affects me and many I know in IT every day of our lives now, but her ABSOLUTE and UNFORGIVABLE SILENCE in where she stands on guest worker programs like H-1B and H-2B since she took the side of corporate America AGAINST American worker interests way back in 2007! THAT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH on steroids!

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #452)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:44 PM

454. Why are you directing all this at me, nine months after my very brief correction?

I voted for Sanders in 1976 when I lived in VT and he was running for governor. I took my family to a book reading to meet him here in CA when he came through the Bay Area on a book tour in 1997 or 1998. I've been a fan for 40 years. Do I think he is a Democrat? No, but he caucuses with them, and I prefer democratic socialism, anyway.

BUT, the unhinged vitriol toward Clinton-- by so-called Democrats-- is disturbing. I prefer Sanders, but I don't understand the need to bury Clinton.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:56 PM

5. Yeah, his economic agenda would ravage minority communities. STOP BERNIE before it's too late!

 

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Response to peecoolyour (Reply #5)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:44 PM

134. +10

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:57 PM

7. K'n'R

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:58 PM

8. I'm afraid to even ask what the story is behind that second picture.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #8)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:34 PM

24. Well, I can't see any of them, so I had to post blind on this one. n/t

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #44)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:59 PM

61. I can see it if I use my mouse to get View Image but it won't post. Disgusting, insane, dangerous.

Definitely NOT FUNNY.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #44)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:08 PM

146. For one brief moment...

...I allowed myself to entertain the idea that the antlers picture might be some sort of ill-advised fraternity prank. Then I clicked on your link and experienced whiplash while remembering the harsh 2015 reality that cops EVERYWHERE are the most racist motherfuckers on the planet.

TYY

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:02 PM

9. An Inner shade of Blue

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:07 PM

11. Sanders "makes zero mention of any of the issues that burden people of color in this country"?

 

So the central thesis of this blog post is wrong. What else have you got?

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:07 PM

12. You Seem... Worried... Interesting...

 

Can't wait for the debates.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #12)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:16 PM

15. I am not worried at all, WillyT.

I thank you for your concern.

I am good here.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:18 PM

17. That's Good To Know... Let The Campaign Proceed...

 




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Wed May 27, 2015, 08:19 PM

20. ...

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:56 AM

227. no, you just post some of the most repugnant stuff available

 

from right wingers like the phony little miss pantsonfire.


She is the one who compared Cornel West to Alex Jones. How is that NOT racist? And what has little missfoulpants done for civil rights? Do post her record against Sanders'.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:11 PM

14. .

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:18 PM

16. Absurd.

 

Bernie was marching for civil rights when HRC was still a Goldwater Girl. Yeesh.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #16)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:55 PM

109. "A young Bernie Sanders speaks to civil rights activists at the University of Chicago."

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #109)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:42 PM

132. +5

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #109)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:28 PM

162. Actually it was Martin Luther King's Dream.

You just posted a photo shopped graphic.

Here ya go~

The I Have a Dream Speech

In 1950's America, the equality of man envisioned by the Declaration of Independence was far from a reality. People of color — blacks, Hispanics, Asians — were discriminated against in many ways, both overt and covert. The 1950's were a turbulent time in America, when racial barriers began to come down due to Supreme Court decisions, like Brown v. Board of Education; and due to an increase in the activism of blacks, fighting for equal rights.

Martin Luther King, Jr., a Baptist minister, was a driving force in the push for racial equality in the 1950's and the 1960's. In 1963, King and his staff focused on Birmingham, Alabama. They marched and protested non-violently, raising the ire of local officials who sicced water cannon and police dogs on the marchers, whose ranks included teenagers and children. The bad publicity and break-down of business forced the white leaders of Birmingham to concede to some anti-segregation demands.

Thrust into the national spotlight in Birmingham, where he was arrested and jailed, King helped organize a massive march on Washington, DC, on August 28, 1963. His partners in the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom included other religious leaders, labor leaders, and black organizers. The assembled masses marched down the Washington Mall from the Washington Monument to the Lincoln Memorial, heard songs from Bob Dylan and Joan Baez, and heard speeches by actor Charlton Heston, NAACP president Roy Wilkins, and future U.S. Representative from Georgia John Lewis.

King's appearance was the last of the event; the closing speech was carried live on major television networks. On the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, King evoked the name of Lincoln in his "I Have a Dream" speech, which is credited with mobilizing supporters of desegregation and prompted the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The next year, King was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

More http://www.usconstitution.net/dream.html

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #162)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:07 AM

177. Sweet. And here's a quote for you and Nancy...

This is white people trying to co-opt the black struggle to prop up their candidate and it makes me SICK.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6737295


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #162)

Fri May 29, 2015, 01:03 PM

301. That's interesting--You're saying Bernie ran a photoshopped pic

of himself on his website?

"You just posted a photo shopped graphic."


That's outrageous! Really. It would make me re-think my support for him. I do presume you have support for this grave accusation. Please post it.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #109)

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:03 AM

307. That's a keeper!

Thank you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:18 PM

18. Consider, too, that much of D.C. itself was built by slaves.



This is going to turn into a rough thread.

But just think, if the media had confronted the so-called 'Restoration' gang with the truth of who built national symbols and created the early oligarches, what a chance for healing that would have been.

Instead, Americans have been fed a false, parallel narrative that denies AA's their rightful place for building the USA. They have sweat equity in this nation.

Whites must face it, deal with it, and do the correct thing or lose everything. We know reparations are unlikely, but how about AAs enjoying same privileges that whites have had because it's fair?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #18)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:24 PM

22. Lol~ Great pic!!!!!!!1!!!!!1

I know it will be rough, I have no intention of breaking into a sweat or losing my cool.

This. I am so with you on this, freshwest.

Whites must face it, deal with it, and do the correct thing or lose everything. We know reparations are unlikely, but how about AAs enjoying same privileges that whites have had because it's fair?

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:19 PM

19. You're really trying to associate sanders with that picture from the Chicago police

 

and somehow smearing him with the racism of the 19th century art world.

That's fucking pathetic, Sheshe.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #21)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:37 PM

29. Who is Mags?

 

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Wed May 27, 2015, 08:40 PM

35. Okay ty saw that one coming a mile away.

 

Too much er 'passion' for their pony imo. And we have such a long way to go to!

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Response to 1000words (Reply #30)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:40 PM

89. Excellent news -

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Response to Divernan (Reply #89)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:52 PM

104. It is, but I'll kinda miss Cali shooting her down at every turn.

Those were some, uh, *interesting* exchanges.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #104)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:59 AM

229. I won't miss her at all. not a scrap. not an iota.

 

she was the truthiest person I've ever encountered.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #104)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:52 PM

280. you're being too generous

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Response to 1000words (Reply #30)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:34 AM

236. None of the five posts were all that bad

interesting.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #30)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:35 AM

242. hahahahahahahahahah

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Response to 1000words (Reply #30)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:28 PM

317. Is it ok to +1 that?

 

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Response to Rex (Reply #29)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:06 PM

116. A previously banned troll, trolling anew, when not on time out.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #116)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:29 PM

318. Yeah ...where is Sid the troll hunter when ya need him.

 

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Response to 1000words (Reply #21)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:21 PM

74. I knew Mags, but who is Sidney? (n/t)

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Response to 1000words (Reply #75)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:27 PM

78. WOW! Who'da thunk?

 

In unrelated news, Vanilla Rhapsody comes back tomorrow or the day after...

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #78)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:32 PM

83. Oh goodie. The Pledge Queen. (n/t)

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #83)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:33 PM

84. 89 days ago today she had 3 hidden. I can hardly wait!

 

It must have been HELL for her...

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #84)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:41 PM

91. I imagine she's already back, but much more toned-down.

Who knows, maybe she's Maggie dearest. They'll just rotate time-outs.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #91)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:47 PM

97. MDearest was my first thought actually... n/t

 

VR's style was too distinctive to miss though, and I bet sooner or later she'd get pissed off enough to fall back on old habits.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #78)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:48 PM

99. TOTALLY unrelated

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #78)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:09 PM

118. And will get another time out in about a week, no doubt.

 

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #78)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:26 AM

220. Exactly.

The timing will work out perfectly.

Again I ask. Is admin asleep at the wheel?

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Response to Puglover (Reply #220)

Thu May 28, 2015, 02:50 PM

265. Absentee landlords seldom take good care of their properties. n/t

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #78)

Thu May 28, 2015, 02:32 PM

262. VR sent me a PM today for some reason, in response to a Sanders post of mine

 

I figured the timeout would apply to PMs too

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #262)

Sat May 30, 2015, 08:59 PM

309. Aren't we the lucky ones though? That makes three of us

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Response to 1000words (Reply #75)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:30 PM

82. "<=== For you, Sid, buddy."

Indeed.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #96)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:49 PM

101. Naturally! He and the OP are pals.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #96)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:50 PM

102. Gonna be a tough two weeks for ol' Sid LOL. n/t

 

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Response to 1000words (Reply #75)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:36 PM

87. Lol! For pissing off all the right people!

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Response to neverforget (Reply #87)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:31 PM

320. Nailed it!

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #320)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:34 PM

321. I forgot I posted this but I'm happy that you got the reference....

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Response to 1000words (Reply #75)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:35 AM

237. None of those posts were all that bad

Looks like there are enough jurors to attempt to penalize people for being pro-Hillary on a Democratic board, or for questioning people on this board.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #75)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:37 AM

243. hahahahahahahahahahahhaahah

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Response to 1000words (Reply #75)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:24 AM

249. Wow, good week. /nt

 

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Response to 1000words (Reply #75)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:30 PM

319. Sid's on vacation? Wow.

 

and ....

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #319)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:56 PM

328. Yeah, but...

 

A poster whose name rhymes with gorilla crap city has returned.

And, she's already trashing O'Malley LOL.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #75)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:05 PM

334. Finally

 

Exposed

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Response to 1000words (Reply #21)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:20 AM

219. All fourteen of them, counting socks-- if the recs are any indication.

 

I'm continually amazed at how much noise that tiny crew makes.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #21)

Thu May 28, 2015, 02:28 PM

260. what happened to Sidney and Mags?

I miss everything.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #21)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:38 AM

351. This subthread

smacks of something too...

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

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Response to 1000words (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:59 PM

402. So much Meta, so little time

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #19)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:31 PM

23. Actually, no Scoot.

What I am trying to say is black lives matter. Racism exists. It is rampant. It continues to escalate.

If Bernie wants a revolution, it must include People of Color.

Scoot, don't put words in my mouth.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #23)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:36 PM

27. No, that's precisely what you (and the author of the piece) are trying to do.

 

You bought it, you own it. You're trying to gin up a sidelong accusation of racism toward Sanders. You could at least have the decency and courage to admit what is already clear to those who have read your post.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #23)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:37 PM

28. That's exactly what you did. it's right there in your OP

 

You didn't say anything about black lives matter. You associated Bernie Sanders with that picture of the Chicago Police, and a ceiling mural done i nthe 1800's, in an underhanded, pathetic attempt to paint him as a racist. And you just did it again.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #28)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:51 PM

48. this is one of the most disgusting and dishonest OPs. I know politics is dirty business

but, this beyond the pale. Looks like we are in a for a long, campaign season and Bernie's lack of fundraising capability will be the least of it.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #48)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:30 AM

250. Seriously-- there are about four people on this forum who seem to be locked in a competition to

 

see who can make the most reprehensible argument.

They'll argue that Jewish people they don't like are secret Nazi sympathizers, or that liberals who they don't like are racists, or sexists, or whatever-- but always by way of a disgusting insinuation that's not quite a flat statement. It's cowardly and low and just plain dishonest, but they seem to revel in it.

And every single one of these sickening arguments is made to attack someone who makes the party establishment, or some corporate candidate, look bad. That's the one thing they all have in common, besides being foul.

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Response to Marr (Reply #250)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:41 AM

254. That is a shame.

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Response to Marr (Reply #250)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:28 PM

290. they use "no one said he's a racist" in the literal sense all the while

the insinuation of those pictures and the text are related to Bernie. Can you imagine if a Republican did this to a Democrat?

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Response to neverforget (Reply #290)

Fri May 29, 2015, 05:37 PM

302. +1 Good point about maybe the GOP stooping this low. Unbelievable-

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #28)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:00 PM

64. See, there go again Scoot.

YOU are TELLING ME the focus on my Op. You are telling me what I see, hear and feel.

I guess I should thank you for 'spaining it to me. How the hell could I possibly understand.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #64)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:06 PM

68. He damn sure told you what you typed.

 

You don't get to shit all over a candidate and then tell people that they shouldn't interpret it in a negative light. GD isn't much, but it does take more game than what you're showing.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #68)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:39 PM

88. Did you read anything at the link.

Or follow any of the ones there? I never called Bernie a racist. I asked him to include PoC in the Revolution that he plans to start. But thanks for 'spaining what is in my heart and mind. So glad you could join me there. You know me better than I know myself.

You don't get to shit all over a candidate and then tell people that they shouldn't interpret it in a negative light. GD isn't much, but it does take more game than what you're showing.


BTW...sure hope you tell all those bashing Hillary the same thing. You do don't you?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #64)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:24 PM

76. If your intent was something completely different from what you actually said, I can't help that

 

All I can see, after all, is what you actually post. And what you've posted is some seriously disingenuous BS.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #76)

Sun May 31, 2015, 03:26 AM

371. If the OPs intent was different from what it being interpreted

 

The OP would edit or delete it.

The fact that she lets it stand tells us that was her original intent. The intent was to be revolting and racist. Message loud and clear. The OPs reputation be damned.



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #23)

Sun May 31, 2015, 03:20 AM

370. Your OP is revolting

 

And you don't have the common decency to edit or delete it.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #370)

Sun May 31, 2015, 03:34 AM

372. DU has provided you with several tools to make it go away including hide thread and ignore. nt

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #19)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:46 PM

39. I really do not understand the intent of this OP at all. Is the poster trying to imply that Sanders

is excluding anyone. I don't get it. Focusing on economic justice does not mean that Sanders is not also interested in social justice. Far from it. What does the 99% exclude? Sanders is for the 99%. There is no color or gender excluded in that term.

This OP is offensive and borderline insane.

The rationale is not founded in reality that I am aware.

Can someone please clue me in.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #39)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:49 PM

42. It's a quote from a blog, the link is given, and the full context is quoted.

The full quote is in the OP along with the link if you'd like more help. In my view it's perfectly reasonable response.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #42)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:53 PM

53. a perfectly reasonable response to what exactly? Evidently, I am making the wrong inference here.

If so, I apologize.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #53)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:57 PM

58. To today's kickoff speech.

The writer quoted in the OP is saying that to be revolutionary today a presidential candidate has to consider all types of inequality, not just income inequality. That's my reading anyway.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #58)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:00 PM

63. I am not sure Jesus Christ on a cross is good enough for the OP. That's my reading anyway.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #63)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:21 PM

159. +1 Well said.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #39)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:28 PM

79. That crap immasmartypants blog is pimped here pretty frequenty...

by a couple of BOGers. Hell, one of them may *be* the crap blogger herself. DU shoots the posts down EVERY TIME, which is half the fun of this site.

Here, read this beauty, post by post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022632517



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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #79)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:34 PM

85. That OP is nothing but a LOLcats pic, a blind link and a rofl smilie.

I am seriously beginning to question the OPs sincerity, sanity and IQ.

This seems to be some inside war going on between some few DU personalities that post daily.

Am I missing something edifying if I don't read the replies?

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #85)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:47 PM

98. Read the entire thread.

You will get a much better understanding of Woodchuck smartypants and the OP who feels the need to share that shitty blog here at DU. If you don't feel like reading the replies to that thread, just tune into any smartypants-related OP. Seems like you've already caught on, though.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #98)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:52 PM

106. I scanned it and yes, I think I have the gist of it all and the players involved. Thanks!

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #106)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:13 PM

120. #110 in this thread sums it up.

I'm rather amazed that additional players -- the OP's fan club -- haven't swarmed this thread yet and offered up spite recs.

Ah, good times DU, good times.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #120)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:39 AM

253. I am beginning to suspect that post #110 is pretty well on target after reading more today.

If that is the heart of the matter here at DU then that is a wrong premise and a false dichotomy.

To make one candidate be solely for social causes and the other candidate solely for economic causes does an injustice to both them and their supporters and the country as a whole. They are not one-dimensional paper dolls.



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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #19)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:53 PM

52. Attempting to paint Bernie Sanders as a racist is way weird. nt

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #19)

Thu May 28, 2015, 02:28 PM

261. It's worse than pathetic. It is vile.

Trying to associate a pic like that to Sanders? She knows damn well that someone who glosses over that OP is going to think he had something to do with that pic.

Fucking disgusting.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:35 PM

25. This post would be a knee-slapper IF...

 

it weren't side-splittingly funny.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:36 PM

26. WOW. This may be the most DISHONEST AND DISGUSTING post I've ever seen on DU

Quoting a white woman and fellow BOGger as expert on civil rights and admonishing Sanders? And linking those disgusting stories and pictures with Bernie Sanders IS THE FUCKING HEIGHT OF DISHONESTY. You complain about low blows and and attacks? This is an attack, pure and simple. This is white people trying to co-opt the black struggle to prop up their candidate and it makes me SICK.

Hillary Clinton has not done a single concrete thing for people of color. She's said some stuff, big deal. But she has not written any legislation or done anything of ANY political import for people of color. Not a damn thing. And if you look at the link to "on the issues" it's all lip service. "She argued with Bill?" That's a thing? That's being a civil rights warrior??

If you think this wins any arguments or makes your candidate look better, then I'm here to tell you it doesn't. It is dishonest and disingenuous and the fact that it is trying to tie Bernie Sanders to racial hatred is just SO LOW I don't even know how much further you can go.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:40 PM

32. Preach it, Brother Ivan. The whole thing is a race-baiting lie.

 

I question the humanity of people who pull stunts like this.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #32)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:45 PM

38. I am so angry that this post is even being shared

Bernie was called a racist by another white person on DU who then turned around and called ME a racist even after I told her I was a person of color. Fuck this shit.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #38)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:36 PM

127. Actually, I never said that Bernie was a racist.

Reread the OP.
I said PoC should be included in Bernies revolution.

And.

Bernie was called a racist by another white person on DU who then turned around and called ME a racist even after I told her I was a person of color. Fuck this shit.


Where the hell did you tell me you were a person of color?

And.

Where the hell did I call you a racist?

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #127)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:43 PM

133. I think that refers to an exchange he had with Seabeyond.

Could be wrong but saw a reference to that.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #133)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:48 PM

135. Yes, you are correct

Your reading comprehension is good

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #127)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:49 PM

136. You should be ashamed of this OP

Really ashamed.

(and if you read the section you quoted, you will see the word "another"

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #127)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:35 AM

185. You know they take words and twist them to get their victim card going on.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #32)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:36 PM

127. From an Italian artist's 1865 ceiling painting in the Congress, enslaved African Americans,

to Bernie Sanders associated with racist, riot cops and described as excluding PoC, this is an incoherent, hugely offensive and ineffective piece of work.

Bernie has spoken for decades about the need of rights for all and economic and educational opportunity. He was a SNIC member in college, marched for Civil Rights and was at the Selma memorial event. He's also spoken out forcefully about racism, police brutality and lack of jobs in Baltimore and other places recently, for decades actually. Bernie has plans to strengthen and rebuild this country for the people, not tear it down further to continue enriching the global billionaire investor class.

Bernie Sanders father was a Jewish refuge from Poland where their family died in the Holocaust. He often reminds us of the need to address, no fight poverty and inequality with everything we have, as he knows from growing up very poor in an apt. in NY with a mother who died too young. To associate him with Protestant and Deist, primarily Anglo founders and slave owners like George Washington is a real stretch.

With John Conyers (D-MI) Bernie is currently co-sponsoring the House legislation, "Employ Young Americans Now Act" along with Charlie Rangel (NY), Marcy Kaptur (OH), John Lewis (GA), Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC), Elijah Cummings (MD), Terri Sewell (AL) and Frederica Wilson (FL).

http://conyers.house.gov/index.cfm/2014/9/rep-conyers-senator-sanders-introduce-the-employ-young-americans-now-act

It's brought up here how African slaves built early Washington; black people continued to work in the city after the Civil War emancipation and beyond, as black descendants still in the Washington area and others know well, like the Irish who were early workers also. This heritage is not totally unacknowledged and would be more widely known if people knew any history or had a brain.

Speaking of Washington, the Clintons spent a lot of time in DC, Bill as President for 8 years. How's that working out? His policies like the destruction of Welfare as we know it, forcing millions of black women and children into poverty; the aggressive investment in private for profit prison corporations and increased, harsh crime laws which have incarcerated millions of black and brown men and ruined them, their families and their communities.

Bill worked with Fed Alan Greenspan, Republican con Sen. Phil Gramm, Treasury Sec. Bob Rubin of Citibank and others to sign the disastrous legislation deregulating the banks, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 that repealed Glass-Steagall, FDR's landmark banking reform law of 1933.

The financial loosening of regulation to favor further big bank consolidation and stock speculation via reckless financial products like derivatives led to the subprime mortgage crash and the Financial Crisis of 2008, the worst economic disaster this country has experienced in 75 years.

The Crisis and aftermath enabled theft in the trillions, wealth from homeowners, people who lost jobs, their savings and retirement funds, permanently, many of whom are black and PoC who were particularly preyed upon by the housing/mortgage industry.

And then there's Clinton's 1994's NAFTA "free trade" deal that has resulted in losses of millions of jobs from communities of all backgrounds in the US, forever.~ And Hillary spoke at Howard, wonderful.

What a pseudo attack and faux, outrageous, waste-

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #127)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:54 PM

139. +1 Good post

If the blogger and the OP wanted to talk about whose record is better on civil rights, they got it. But I don't quite think that was the intention.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #127)

Thu May 28, 2015, 06:10 PM

281. That's a tour de force of a comment. kudos. nt

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #281)

Fri May 29, 2015, 05:42 PM

303. Thanks, this is some piece...

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #127)

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:00 AM

306. Excellent summary.

I especially like the conclusion.



I lost any respect I had for the op after this disgusting FAIL.


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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #127)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:42 PM

323. That's quite the waste of an effort to correct the OP.

 

It's not going to change her mind. I thank you for your post though.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #323)

Sat May 30, 2015, 10:57 PM

333. Your remarks are not relevant to my reason for posting. Don't waste your time on me.

But have a good night.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:40 PM

33. ^^^this^^^

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:40 PM

34. It's a quote from a blog, the link is given, and the context is reasonable.

There's nothing wrong with the OP. Relevant quote:

It is due to all of the above that I have to say that when Sen. Bernie Sanders kicks off his presidential campaign with a suggestion that he is launching a "political revolution to transform our country," and yet makes zero mention of any of the issues that burden people of color in this country, my response is simply..."Not good enough, Bernie."


It's an opinion. Yours might be different. That's what primaries are all about.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #34)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:48 PM

41. Here is Sanders at the Selma anniversary march with Rep Lewis

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #41)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:50 PM

46. Thanks. Very reasonable response.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #41)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:56 PM

140. A wonderful photo of all, thanks much-

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #41)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:56 AM

188. FUCKIN WOW, I used to think Sanders had a POC issue...

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #188)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:07 AM

193. I wrote a thread in response and people added more info

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737441

People are trying to paint him as the opposite as he is. It's shameful.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #193)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:18 AM

196. No... no... no!!! Kerry wasn't a racist either and look what happened to his numbers with POC

... even in the face of electing BUSH again!!!

Kerry NEVER EVER EVER reached out to CoC during his campaign like he SHOULD have, like Clinton did or Obama did ... or ... how Clinton pissed everyone off with her assassination quote but she KNEW what button to push...

because she could relate

Kerry was the DNC during non presidential election years; tuned to "rural" America only...

We'll see,

Sanders needs to get everyone to fall in love with the improbable again; everyone...

Hell, even Obama wasn't "in touch" with the black community until after SC...

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #34)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:49 PM

45. Here is his statement on the anniversary

Sanders in Selma Says Civil Rights Struggle Continues


SELMA, Ala., March 7 – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today joined U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) and other civil rights pioneers on the 50th anniversary of an historic civil rights march that led to enactment of the Voting Rights Act.

“In 1965, against racist legalized violence, incredibly brave men and women put their lives on the line to demand that all Americans, regardless of their color, have the right to vote. And they won. When people stand together for justice, nothing is impossible,” Sanders said.

President Barack Obama and members of Congress gathered at the foot of the Edmund Pettus Bridge to commemorate the events of Bloody Sunday in 1965, when baton-wielding police beat Lewis, the future Georgia congressman, and other peaceful protesters.

Later that year, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act, which protected voters from discrimination until the Supreme Court two years ago invalidated a key portion of the landmark law.

Sanders said he hoped the anniversary of the march will be a catalyst for Congress to undo that 2013 court decision.

“What Bloody Sunday was about was showing the entire country and the entire world how far some of the racist officials in Alabama would go to prevent African-Americans from participating the political process and from voting,” Sanders said. “What happened on that bridge that day was a huge step forward for democracy in America. But what is happening right now – not just in the South but all over this country – are efforts by Republican governors and Republican legislatures to make it harder for African-Americans, for low-income people and for senior citizens to vote.”

The election of Obama, the first African-American president, is a sign of the nation’s progress in the past half century, Sanders said. “But we also know that much more needs to be done. Today, African American unemployment is double the national average while African American household income is $17,000 less. The struggle for racial and economic justice continues,” Sanders said.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #34)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:51 PM

47. Hillary Clinton didn't make it to the march, she was in Miami

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #47)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:52 PM

51. This was two weeks ago?

That's a little different since anything either does after announcing can fairly be considered a campaign event, including Bernie's appearance.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #51)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:55 PM

55. Same date as the march

She couldn't make it but I guess racist Bernie Sanders found the time.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #55)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:58 PM

59. I know, but that's what I meant.

Basically any photo is a photo op in the context of a campaign.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #55)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:55 PM

108. It seems the Clintons DID make it...

Last edited Wed May 27, 2015, 11:13 PM - Edit history (1)

in 2007. This PBS Newshour link was just posted in your thread:

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #108)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:07 PM

145. The picture you've posted is from 2007. The Clintons were not at the march this year.

 

The caption under this pic is:

Then-presidential candidates Senators Barack Obama (L in white) and Hillary Clinton (R in green outfit) cross the Edmond Pettus Bridge during a re-enactment of the 1965 Selma to Montgomery march in Selma, Alabama, March 4, 2007. Photo by Lee Celano/Reuters


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/anniversary-selma-march-rekindles-ferguson-comparisons/

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #145)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:12 PM

150. Okay thanks I'll add that.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #55)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:03 PM

141. +1 Miami, right-

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #51)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:37 PM

165. Then he was damned prescient when he marched on Washington in 1963, worked for

SNCC, got arrested in a civil rights demonstration, etc.

Anyone with that kind of foresight should be President.

He had every right to show up for the anniversary. Your insinuation that it was a campaign appearance is vile.

Go, Bernie.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #34)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:06 PM

114. It's a stupid fucking "opinion" and there is EVERYTHING wrong with it

And I am so completely unsurprised to see you defending it I am in danger of falling fast asleep.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #34)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:15 PM

152. No, primaries are not all about going from a ceiling mural to bs about Sanders not caring about

race issues. The man was arrested in a civil rights demonstration, ffs. Meanwhile, let's talk about the kind of campaign HIllary ran against Obama in 2008.

The suggestion in the OP is both false and lowdown and so is your defense of it.

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Response to merrily (Reply #152)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:18 PM

155. Did you click the link? The context is that these and a couple of others are all from today's news.

That's the connection. It's never a bad idea to look before you leap onto the bandwagon.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #155)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:43 PM

167. The implication of the OP is that Bernie is insensitive to race. And, while the OP has denied

saying that he is racist, the OP has not negated the implication or given Bernie credit for his half century plus of civil rights activism. His rating on that issue is higher than Hillary's, whose campaign against Obama on the issue of race was shameful.'
'
Don't you dare tell me what a good idea in this connection is. You have no clue who the fuck you are purporting to school.

Shameful!

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Response to merrily (Reply #167)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:18 AM

207. You tell 'em!



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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #207)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:59 AM

228. Thank you.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:45 PM

94. I agree the OP has jumped the shark with this one.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #94)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:44 PM

324. An epic swiftboat fail.

 

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:36 PM

129. Well, *this* white people...


Nancy LeTourneau

She is really playing a slimy game. Right up the Clintons' alley...


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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:19 AM

208. Wish I could give this a rec.

Especially for this:

If you think this wins any arguments or makes your candidate look better, then I'm here to tell you it doesn't. It is dishonest and disingenuous and the fact that it is trying to tie Bernie Sanders to racial hatred is just SO LOW I don't even know how much further you can go.


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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:48 AM

225. +1

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:16 AM

234. This is her way of trying to innoculate Hillary from the charge of mass murder in the

 

case of 1,000,000+ civilain deaths in Iraq. BTW,Sanders voted against Shocking and Awful. Remind me again, how did Hillary vote on that grotesquerie?

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #234)

Thu May 28, 2015, 11:11 AM

256. That one vote doesn't count

She is so smart and compassionate but George Bush just fooled her! She said she was sorry!! What do you want? It's totally in the past so you're not allowed to bring it up. She's evolved past her vote. She has evolved on so much, such as gay marriage, immigration, mass incarceration, and illegal wars. So much evolving!

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #234)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:48 PM

274. Probably, but a lousy effort-

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:28 PM

337. The stretch is so desperate that you almost want to give creedence

toclaims that Sheshe may be a paid poster.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:11 AM

430. Thank you. Now I don't have to type it. What a nasty OP. nt

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Response to ladyVet (Reply #430)

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:17 AM

431. It will not be forgotten as a base attempt to smear a candidate

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:39 PM

31. Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, not an elitist.

 

Unless he is not what he says he is. We shall see.

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Response to Rex (Reply #31)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:47 PM

40. If Bernie is a liar, he is the best one I have ever seen and I have known some doozies in my time.

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Response to Rex (Reply #31)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:51 PM

50. And, Sanders scores are HIGHER than HRC from the NAACP, the ACLU, and the Human Rights Commission

 

I'm a bit sick of this double standard, I don't know why Hillary wasn't burned at the stake over her lack of commentary about, say, Furguson when she announced.

The OP includes "Hillary on the Issues" material, and I'll compare the two here:


SANDERS:
Rated 93% by the ACLU, indicating a pro-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 100% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 97% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

CLINTON:
Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)



And I'll put down Sanders' info here:

Rated 97% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance.
Sanders scores 97% by the NAACP on affirmative action

OnTheIssues.org interprets the 2005-2006 NAACP scores as follows:

0% - 33%: anti-affirmative-action stance (approx. 177 members)
34% - 84%: mixed record on affirmative-action (approx. 96 members)
85%-100%: pro-affirmative-action stance (approx. 190 members)

About the NAACP (from their website, www.naacp.org):

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) has worked over the years to support and promote our country's civil rights agenda. Since its founding in 1909, the NAACP has worked tirelessly to end racial discrimination while also ensuring the political, social, and economic equality of all people. The Association will continue this mission through its policy initiatives and advocacy programs at the local, state, and national levels. From the ballot box to the classroom, the dedicated workers, organizers, and leaders who forged this great organization and maintain its status as a champion of social justice, fought long and hard to ensure that the voices of African Americans would be heard. For nearly one hundred years, it has been the talent and tenacity of NAACP members that has saved lives and changed many negative aspects of American society.


I totally sympathize with the OP, but I disagree strongly with targeting Sanders when his record speaks very highly of his commitment to equal rights.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #50)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:55 PM

56. Well I would think civil rights would be at the top of a social democrats agenda.

 

I already see the fear by the mainstream media, he is a Wall Street non-conformist and that scares the living shit out of the most powerful people in this country. I don't know a lot about Sanders, but he does not strike me as an elitist in any way, shape or form.

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Response to Rex (Reply #56)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:14 PM

72. Nope. He's certainly not another out-of-touch Ivy Leaguer.

 

His Alma mater is Brooklyn College and the University of Chicago.

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Response to Rex (Reply #56)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:48 PM

100. Hey Rex.

I never called him a racist here as some are implying.

I just want people of color included in the revolution he speaks of.

Social Justice and Economic Justice go hand in hand. One without the other are meaningless.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #100)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:53 PM

107. I know you did not nor did I suggest it at all.

 

I was just making the comment that if he is what he says he is, then both civil and economic rights matter more to him than anything else. We shall see.

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Response to Rex (Reply #107)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:59 PM

112. No...

I never meant you thought that. Never for a minute.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #112)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:02 PM

113. Good I am glad you didn't think I was implying anything with my post.

 

I read your OPs about women and minorities...unlike a few in here that obviously don't. And Bernie Sanders DOES need to address the current and horrendous police brutality crisis we have going on in this country. It better be a big issue with him or I will be very disappointed.

Hugs sheshe2.

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Response to Rex (Reply #113)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:10 PM

119. They are all telling me what I meant,

When I did not mean that at all. They are 'splaining it to me. They are telling me what I think and what I feel in my heart.

Back at you, Rex.

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Response to Rex (Reply #56)

Sun May 31, 2015, 01:08 PM

391. Nah...they are about "national conversations" and "listening tours" actual policy not so much

unless it is a war, destabilizing countries that don't play ball with the corporate agenda, exporting jobs, crushing wages in general while waxing poetic about minimum wage, creating and protecting too big to fail vampire leeches, or undermining civil liberties then you see the fierce urgency of now.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #50)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:33 PM

163. Didn't you see- Hillary spoke at Howard U! Great data, thanks; helps with the derangement here-

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:49 PM

43. The Kickoff.

If this was Alabama, you know what I'd think?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #43)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:55 PM

57. "WOW! There's a place in Burlington, Vermont that looks EXACTLY like this picture!"

 

My money says that's what you'd be thinking...

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #57)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:44 PM

93. That is what I'd be thinking.

Senator Sanders (I-VT) and his constituents.

I guess this wouldn't be the venue for going big on race relations...?

More colorful photos at slideshow:

http://digital.vpr.net/post/live-blog-bernie-sanders-kicks-his-campaign-burlington

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #93)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:45 PM

95. Yeah. I'm not playin'. Sorry.

 

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #43)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:50 PM

103. Oh yes I do know what you think~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #103)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:20 AM

201. There you go again

You're not saying he's a racist, but *wink* yeah he is. SHAME.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #43)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:28 PM

161. +1. You can't really say what you're thinking. It's a hideable offense, obviously.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #43)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:08 AM

231. But it isn't. It's Vermont, in which every county voted OVERWHELMINGLY

 

for Obama in 2008 and 2012- he had a greater margin of victory in Vermont than in any other state save his home state of Hawaii in 2008.

So go ahead and dis that crowd.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:51 PM

49. A little pandering here, seems. Failed juxtaposition, IMO.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:54 PM

54. Has Bernie ever made a speech about his white male heterosexual privilege?

Would he not be a good person to instigate a national debate about this issue?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #54)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:11 AM

232. Has Bill Clinton? He'd be a better person on this.

 

Bernie is the son of a man who's entire family was wiped out in the holocaust, dear. He grew up in a 3 room apt in Brooklyn.

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Response to cali (Reply #232)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:17 AM

235. "The phrase "our first Black president" was adopted as a positive by Bill Clinton supporters"

The phrase "our first Black president" was adopted as a positive by Bill Clinton supporters. When the Congressional Black Caucus honored the former president at its dinner in Washington D.C. on September 29, 2001, for instance, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), the chair, told the audience that Clinton "took so many initiatives he made us think for a while we had elected the first black president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Morrison

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:58 PM

60. Am I missing something.

I've NEVER heard Senator Sanders say all his policy positions exclude AA. This assertion is false and frankly absurd.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:00 PM

62. Really? Nothing that Bernie spoke of impacts POC?

 

Is this a fucking joke?! Bookmarked. Because Its THAT disgusting.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #62)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:55 PM

110. It's part of an ongoing ratfucking attempt on DU

 

Trying to hammer a wedge between social and economic justice - to create the notion that if you're for one you must be against the other.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #110)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:18 PM

122. Were you equally outraged when a prominent DUer called the president a POS used car salesman?

Or is it just because your guy is being hammered?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #122)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:26 PM

125. Boom!

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #122)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:38 PM

130. I'm acknowledging a ratfucking attempt. Does this bother you?

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #130)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:40 PM

131. Fine, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree. nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #131)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:14 PM

151. No, i'm barking at people with rodents in their trousers. n/t

 

also, kinda strange you tried to cast this thread as some sort of "revenge" post against Will pitt. If you have a problem with what that dude said, take it to him, not me.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #131)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:15 PM

153. Hey you~

Thanks

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #153)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:20 PM

157. Backatcha for 6,000! *** SPEECH ***

MILESTONE!!



Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America — there is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America — there's the United States of America.








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Response to ucrdem (Reply #157)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:54 PM

172. I posted that in the BOG not long ago.

I know, the dreaded BOG!

It was the speech that made him our President!

I rose, I clapped and I cheered!

I love you ucrdem~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #172)

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:55 PM

407. Barack Obama was wrong about one thing and it nearly killed us ...

and so was I:



John Kerry was NOT sworn in as president in January 2005.



p.s. vive le BOG!

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #122)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:34 PM

272. OUCH!

That one sure is dying a long slow death. Deservedly. I didn't appreciate it, either.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #62)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:56 PM

111. I don't know whether to bookmark it or alert on it. I just assumed that someone would have already

alerted and it would have been hidden by now.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:02 PM

67. economic equailty is key to racial equality.

Tackling the economic problems of this country is key to tackling racial issues.

Education for all is key to tackingly racial equaility.

I believe through the course of the debate he will address the police force in this country. The militarization of our police. The amount of force used and the training of our police. Bernie 2016 revolution!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:12 PM

70. There is a living breathing human being at the other end of your race-baiting post

 

I read something kind of like that, anyway.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #70)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:26 PM

77. I also said politics aside in that Op.

We all have our rowdy discussions. Maybe you did not read that part or the thread.

I was talking about Omaha Steve getting beaten up here. Dear Steve beaten up. I did not reference him directly, he asked that I did not tell his secret until he was ready.

I knew, before he posted his Op explaining his condition, that he is in fact dying. He was beaten up for something his illness can't control.

My post is about black lives matter. Social Justice Matters as much as Economic Justice. Did you even follow the links? That is Bernies quote about a revolution. I want it to include all of us. Yet so many here tell me I meant something else.

Thanks so much for TELLING me what I MEANT!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #77)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:50 PM

168. You've done a really filthy and low thing here today.

 

I don't give much of a fuck about what you MEANT, but I take real exception to what you typed. If you're trying to blame this abortion of an OP on your words being misinterpreted, I'd suggest sharpening your writing skills. I'm far from the only person who considers your post a filthy, bigoted, race-baiting attack on a decent candidate.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #168)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:11 AM

178. Here ya go.

I was on the jury:


On Wed May 27, 2015, 09:51 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You've done a really filthy and low thing here today.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6738250

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude. Please hide, thank you.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed May 27, 2015, 10:07 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Agree that OP was race-baiting.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Rude? The OP is a monstrous piece of propaganda that should have no place on this website. That post was polite compared to what the OP deserves said.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Agree with the alertee. The op is lower than a snake's belly in a ditch.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #178)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:13 AM

179. That's impressive. nt

 

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Response to cwydro (Reply #178)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:17 AM

181. Thanks for letting me know.

 

It seems like it would be a good idea to send Automated "A jury has acquitted you" emails. Anyway, thank you.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #181)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:20 AM

182. You're welcome.

I added no explanation to my vote because I saw no need.

The explanation I did see pretty much said it all.

I like the OP poster in general...disappointed at this attack on Sanders.

I haven't even made up my mind yet, but these kind of attacks do nothing for our party.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #178)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:40 AM

212. Juror 7: "OP is lower than a snake's belly in a ditch."

A big shout out thank you to each and every one of the jurors!

Juror no. 7, you are my hero/heroine, closely followed by Juror # 6:
"The OP is a monstrous piece of propaganda that should have no place on this website. That post was polite compared to what the OP deserves said."

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #77)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:06 AM

175. You want it to include all of us. How are poc excluded? We are all in a country that is on the brink

of collapsing and that does not exempt anyone. What effects one also effects the rest of us. Believe me we are all involved.

Many of us have been involved in discussions regarding things like Ferguson MO and were totally behind the protesters and have been fighting to get the police brutality stopped right along side of you but some how that is not important now. Racism is and has always been a very big part of the problems in the USA. Back in the 60s when there were discussions regarding economic problems there was a saying, "The New Deal never reached the ghetto" and it still hasn't. (By the way the discussion was actually about economic conditions on the reservation.) The economic revolution is a civil rights issue because the economic revolution never has reached the poc.

I am one of those horrible white folks who support Bernie so I must not care about poc. That does not hold up. And it does not hold up against Bernie either. In my case - I am the old white grandmother in a family the includes 31 black/Native American members. When MLK led the march to DC every race and color were there. His revolution involved all of us. So does Bernie's.

I hear your anger but I don't think Bernie deserves it.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:13 PM

71. Total bullshit post. Learn a little more about the man, why don't you?

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:17 PM

73. This is pretty low.

Bernie has always been very good on civil rights issues. Implying otherwise is dishonest.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #73)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:35 PM

86. Yes. He frequently mentions issues directly affecting others. This is an inaccurate OP.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #73)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:41 PM

90. Hear, hear. His numbers don't lie.

 

Poached from NYC SKP:

SANDERS:
Rated 93% by the ACLU, indicating a pro-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 100% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 97% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

CLINTON:
Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #73)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:59 AM

190. No it's not, not at all... Same issue Kerry had with POC... we'll see, it's early

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:42 PM

92. Fail

 

nt

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:52 PM

105. +1

Go Bernie

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:06 PM

115. He should have mentioned these issues more explicitly in his speech.

And I also wish he had mentioned the war on drugs, as that is a massive economic and racial issue, and a big part of what his platform is about. Though others have said, and correctly, that class issues are integral to the struggles of all of us, I would have liked to see him make it explicitly clear that social justice will be a priority for his campaign. It's not because I think he isn't genuinly supportive of and active in fighting for minority rights, but because populist movements in the past have not fully addressed those issues (usually because doing so leads to abandoning capitalism). He needs to make a clear statement to the minority community that he hears them.

That said, this OP is a blatant and dishonest way to smear a man who's been heavily involved in social justice activism for his entire life. Yuck.

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Response to F4lconF16 (Reply #115)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:24 PM

124. If I may quote you, "this OP is a blatant and dishonest way to smear a man who's been heavily

 

involved in social justice activism for his entire life. Yuck."

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:17 PM

121. Race has long been used as a way to keep people from realizing that

their economic situation gives them a whole lot more in common than the color of their skin makes them different. Divide & conquer - it's how the status quo is maintained.

Sad to see that tactic being used on DU. I thought we were smart enough not to fall for that.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #121)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:37 AM

238. Good point. n/t

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:24 PM

123. Kicking because I love to see smartypants shot down.

One of the true joys of DU.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #123)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:29 PM

338. I'm with you there

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:49 PM

137. Feh! Neoliberal whitesplaining- and *clumsy* whitesplaining at that...

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:04 PM

142. After reading this thread I feel like...

I wandered into romper room or a high school locker room where a bunch of 'bros'/mean girls are high-fiving while they talk shit about someone that's not there to defend themselves.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:06 PM

143. Really so black people don't care about Social Security, tuition, debt, jobs, health care ?

 

Last edited Wed May 27, 2015, 11:54 PM - Edit history (1)

What a load of crap. The OP says Bernie made no mention of any issues that burden people of color.

Hillary's policies have racist outcomes. The war on the working class hits people of color the hardest.

Starting from her role at Walmart, through welfare reform, and trade deals, and filling up the prisons, and Wall Street deregulation that caused the economic collapse that robbed black Americans of their homes and savings... through it all Hillary's record has been one long string of pushing one racist policy after the next.

Take a hard look at who has built a career and made a personal fortune by serving the elite at the expense of working families, hurting especially people of color.

Banking deregulation is a vile racist policy that robbed the life savings of the black working class. Free trade deals like NAFTA and with China have destroyed black communities in places like Detroit and Cleveland.

Bernie Sanders has a life long anti-racist track record including work with SNCC in the 1960s.

People of color face obviously the particular racism, the history and issues that you talked about in the OP. And rightly so you should talk about it.

Personally I agree Bernie should say more on issues like police reform and mass incarceration. I think he will so please stay tuned.

If you're looking for the candidate who best understands issues of race and class oppression, and how to address it, I think Bernie is the best choice. And he should mention the topics more.

Sometimes talk is cheap. Bernie has a life long anti-racist track record and that matters.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #143)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:35 PM

339. You illustrate the deeper problem with the OP

that in and of itself, it can be construed as racist itself. Not to mention that when engaged on the issues of injustice facing those groups that Bernie will have A LOT to say.

I do not believe the OP is racist to be sure, only that it's an unnecessary attack to make on anyone that you in no way can verify is insensitive to racial issues.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:07 PM

144. Hmm.

So, uhm, the point of this post was to... what? Suggest that Sanders should have mentioned issues that burden black people in his kick off? To suggest that Sanders must be ignorant of issues of race, or not concerned enough, because he did not make specific mention in his kick off? Perhaps he should have also mentioned Native Americans, abused children, Asian Americans, people of religious minorities, the mentally ill, ex-cons, and every other type of person that faces a great burden in this Country. Shame on that bastard for not mentioning all of them!

I don't get it - did he specifically kick off his campaign talking about how he was going to save the white male protestants, or something? I don't think he did, surely I would have noticed that.

It also seems that you are trying to link that photograph to Sanders, without even being terribly subtle about it.

This is one of the worst, most dishonest political attacks I have ever seen here at DU - and we have had some real zingers.

I see nothing - nothing - in his record to indicate racism, or even a lack of concern for issues which involve race. On the contrary, his voting record indicates a strong belief in social justice and equality.

I don't get it. Whatever you were trying to do here, I don't think it worked.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:08 PM

147. You're going to need a firehose to get that off your shoe

 

And even then, it's going to take several hydrants.

Some fine, cynical racial exploitation there though. It's almost kind of wonderful in the sheer meteoric awfulness of it.

Please never speak about LGBT rights. I'm begging you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:10 PM

148. Well done!

 

Brava!

These people just don't understand you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:17 PM

154. This is where I will be on Sunday

This is event is at the Minneapolis Indian Center. In the heart of South Minneapolis. For those who don't know the area it's where the biggest concentration of POC live in the Twin Cities, there are a lot of Ojibwa Indians in this area I don't know what percent of POC are in the 1700 that already signed up, I would give a numbers report on that if I was any good at guesstimating how many POC are in a crowd. I am a bit crowd shy so my main focus is just not stepping on toes or getting lost.

TIME: Sunday, May 31, 2015 10:00 AM - 12:00 PM CDT
HOST: Bernie Sanders
CONTACT PHONE: (802) 862-1505
LOCATION:
Minneapolis American Indian Center (Minneapolis, MN)
1530 East Franklin Avenue
Minneapolis, MN 55404

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:19 PM

156. He's talking about the HUMAN race, she she…

If you don't hear within the context of all Senator Sanders has said all these years about ALL these conditions, then maybe you weren't hearing so well.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #156)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:33 PM

164. So..........

After all these years, tell me how you feel about Obama.

If you don't hear within the context of all President Obama has said all these years about ALL these conditions, then maybe you weren't hearing so well.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #164)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:25 AM

183. I think we are finally at what is really bothering you. Our opposition to the TPP. Sheshe we do not

hate him - we oppose one of his positions. And it would not matter if it was FDR himself proposing the TPP we would be against it.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #183)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:58 AM

189. Wrong.

The answer to everything is what about TPP TPP TPP TPP TPP? Are you SERIOUS!???????????????

How about this.

An Open Letter From #Ferguson Protesters and Allies (10.7.14)

Here in Ferguson, our community has come to know terror on American soil.

A public slaying so gruesome it harkened images of the lynchings from the most heinous moments in history, for young and old to see.

Michael’s bloodied, lifeless body, left to lay in the street for more than 4 hours, a glaring reminder of the value of black life.

Peaceful protestors, attacked by waves of gas and bullets meant only for war.


Daily, violent reminders that our black skin renders us unsafe in our own community. No human, no American citizen, no child could look upon this scene and not unequivocally know: enough is enough.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025635894#post1

Black Lives Matter


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025471335





http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025431052

THIS is what I am talking about. This! This! This!

People!

This is all about a politician standing for our right to life. Our rights.

No one knows the final deal on TPP. Many here believe Obama just sold this country to the highest bidder. I do not believe that.

However, what I posted is reality.People of color are dying in the streets. Every person running should be making this an issue.

Please do not presume to speak for me. You would be wrong.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #189)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:38 AM

198. I am a fan of facts

 

pesky things they are


Citing Crisis in Ferguson, Sanders to Propose Youth Jobs Bill
Wednesday, August 20, 2014
BURLINGTON, Vt., Aug. 20 – In the wake of continuing unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said today that he will introduce legislation to address the national crisis of black youth unemployment.

In a letter to Senate colleagues, Sanders called for a thorough federal investigation of the Aug. 9 death of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a police officer in the St. Louis suburb. “All of us have a responsibility to make sure that what happened in Ferguson never happens again,” Sanders said.

We also must recognize, however, that there is an economic crisis facing our nation’s youth, particularly young African-Americans,” Sanders added. In the St. Louis metro area, almost half of young African-American men are unemployed, Sanders said. Nationwide, the youth unemployment rate today is more than 20 percent and African-American youth unemployment is nearly 35 percent.

“If we are going to address the issue of crime in low-income areas and in African-American communities, it might be a good idea that instead of putting military style equipment into police departments in those areas, we start investing in jobs for the young people there who desperately need them.”

The legislation would provide $5.5 billion in immediate funding to states and localities to employ 1 million young Americans between the ages of 16 and 24.

Under the bill, the U.S. Department of Labor would provide $4 billion to states and local governments to provide summer and year-round employment opportunities for economically disadvantaged youth. The measure also would award $1.5 billion in competitive grants to provide work-based training to low- and moderate-income youth and disadvantaged young adults.

“If we are going to reduce youth violence and instill hope and a bright future for the young people in this country, we have got to provide them with the jobs and the skills they need to move up the economic ladder,” Sanders said.

To read Sanders’ letter, click here.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/citing-crisis-in-ferguson-sanders-to-propose-youth-jobs-bill

The Senator was one of the first, if not the first out if the gate in the Senate with a statement on Ferguson, and the first with an actual attempt at doing something at a policy level.

By the way, $5.5 billion is pocket change, even worst, pennies in the trillion plus budget. I live these numbers. And no, I am not pulling this out of thin air.

And here is the letter seeking co-Sponsors.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/dear-colleague-youth-jobs?inline=file

I am not going to look for actual discussions on policy here...this site is not the place to do it. But what Sanders did was an actual policy proposal to try to solve this crisis, a very real crisis.

And with that, I s'pise my best option is to hide, trash, whatever you want to call it this thread. It is ugly and far from reality, or my personal interest, deep policy. Ah yes, tomorrow the California revised May budget...fun stuff!!!

I can't wait for the trillion plus Federal budget.



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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #198)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:03 PM

286. Thank you for providing an example of what serving the human race is all about...

I do not think the OP is interested…

However, I was looking for the example of pertinent and relevant attempts to help those humans who need a way back to the America we haven't seen being helped by Wall Street investors and international trade deals.

We need leadership, so this is a great example.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #286)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:53 PM

291. I deal wth facts all the time

 

so it is a bad habit these days.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #198)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:44 PM

294. I wish sheshe would respond to this. Says a lot that she ignores it

 



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #189)

Thu May 28, 2015, 04:50 AM

204. Why hasn't the federal government stepped in

and started charging some of these out of control, militarized cops who are killing innocent, unarmed black children? Those are some major civil rights violations happening. Does the federal government not have the authority to enforce civil rights laws?

When local/state governments are clearly in a conflict of interest with the local cops who are killing these unarmed children, it seems like the best thing to do would be let the feds step in and bring federal civil rights violations charges against them. Instead, the federal government stepped in and investigated, then made suggestions and left it at that. I thought, for sure, they would do more than just that. That was a travesty of justice, imo.

Why isn't the Executive Branch of the federal government arresting these cops? Isn't that how it works? The Executive Branch does the arresting and hands them over to the Judicial Branch to deal with whatever violations of the law they may have committed. It is not like we have a Republican president right now. This stuff is happening under President Obama's watch and nothing is getting done about it. If being president of the US doesn't give Obama the authority to enforce federal civil rights laws, what would?

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #204)

Thu May 28, 2015, 06:00 AM

215. Yeah, but think of what Fox News would say

 

It would be terrible.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #204)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:35 PM

279. Great questions. The silence is deafening. ***crickets***

It is not like we have a Republican president right now. This stuff is happening under President Obama's watch and nothing is getting done about it. If being president of the US doesn't give Obama the authority to enforce federal civil rights laws, what would?


Great post.

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Response to Pooka Fey (Reply #279)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:14 PM

292. Notice how the OP never responded to the posts by Nadin or Jamastiene

the silence is defeaning

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #189)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:50 AM

245. And I am many others were totally in agreement about that. I mention TPP because ever since

it was clear that many of us also oppose that your posts which were extremely inspiring changed and you have seemed so angry. This present post is just one in a line of very angry posts implying that even Bernie Sanders is racist and us in connection to him. You and we have every right to be angry about Ferguson MO and the many other examples of this type of racism. It is totally unacceptable.

But there are other issues. We do not oppose TPP because President Obama is a black man. We oppose it on purely economic grounds. And yes the people who oppose it are wrong to call him names etc. but they are not wrong to oppose an issue.

My reason for opposing TPP is not just about what happens in the USA. It is about racism. It is about those smaller countries and slave labor. Slave labor and the destruction of their economies so that rich corporations can take advantage of them in any way they want. That is also racism.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #164)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:18 PM

289. Is it a fitting requirement that attests to what you say in this OP?

Or, in order to make us think about what you've pushed up our collective noses here, is this mock question of yours supposed to be a litmus test of what an Obama hater I or others must be?

I cannot understand if that is it, she she… I think you're picking up a racist attitude of a presidential candidate and it isn't because you are not smart (you are, plus, you are passionate, as well). It's because you haven't bothered to read up or listen to what the presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has said all along?

I agree that this whole thread is quite angry. You sort of surprised me with how uninformed you might be.

And speaking as someone who voted twice for Barack Obama, I'm saddened of what his administration settled for, so that some legislation like ACA could be passed or marriage equality could advance. Both those things are better than what we had, but had you listened to what I said, the kind of Medicare for All is what we absolutely needed to have. ACA is successful, but 35 million are still with no health care, and what we have on the job front (number one with climate) was too little, too late.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:20 PM

158. Obviously, that announcement wasn't for us. I'll say again, I don't think Bernie Sanders has a.....

racist bone in his body, but that kickoff event was a lesson in what no to do, if you're making a run for the highest office in the land, as a "Democrat". The optics were horrible, and I imagine PoC were tuning out in droves at the sight of that. Thank goodness for the ones who stuck around long enough to actually hear that he didn't address the issues that are important to us. Economic equity is only part of it.

Racism knows no class. When the nation's first black attorney general relates his own experiences with racism, it's not about class. It's about being black. Bernie's big introduction to a core constituency of the Democratic base was tone deaf at the very least.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #158)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:39 PM

166. I do not think he is racist.

Never said that. People told me I did. They are wrong.

I tried to make a point. Maybe I missed, maybe some reading it did.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #166)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:54 PM

171. Nothing wrong with your o.p. If this had been a Republican event, you'd be getting high fives.

But it's a newly minted "Democrat", and pointing out the obvious has been reduced to "race baiting" by a select few. That kickoff was probably the least representative event I've ever seen, held by any Democrat. Excellent o.p.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #171)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:10 AM

194. Hey you~

Love you.

I truly was trying to make a point.

I never called him a racist. I just want it addressed. Yup, yup. Silly white woman here. Sigh~

I have PoC in my dear sweet family too.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #194)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:13 AM

195. No one has called him a racist. The charge is meant to invalidate your feelings of discomfort.

That feeling in the pit of your stomach is usually a great barometer. Don't doubt yourself.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #195)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:22 AM

197. I have stayed calm, cool and collected here.

No, I am not doubting myself.

I never mean to speak for a PoC, I want to speak with them in a loud voice of support. I want each candidate to do the same.

Love ya Tarheel~

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #171)

Thu May 28, 2015, 02:44 AM

199. Re: "the least representative event"

The crowd, which was also made up of staff members and friends of the Clinton family, was overwhelmingly white, largely female and dotted with children, many on their parents’ shoulders.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/us/politics/08dems.html?pagewanted=all

But Clinton is no longer resting her candidacy on the delegate count. She hopes to persuade party leaders, who hold the balance of power, that she would be the more electable candidate against McCain, based on her support among white, blue-collar voters who have not embraced Obama's candidacy in the same way as black, more affluent and better-educated voters.

West Virginia's demographics closely matched Clinton's political base. Interviews with voters leaving polling places showed an electorate that was 95% white, less educated and poorer than in most other states. Four in 10 were over age 60, and a little more than half came from rural areas.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/14/nation/na-campaign14

But Clinton, who needs to maximize enthusiasm among the African-American voters around the country to repeat Obama’s recent success in 2016, couldn’t quite escape the echo of her 2008 loss in a state known for clutching its racial history to heart.

It isn’t a matter of getting people here to like her — African-American voters in South Carolina seem to find her likable enough; It’s the necessity of transforming benign resignation about her candidacy into genuine Obama-like passion and massive turnout. In that, she faces a tall but not insurmountable task, judging from the polite, supportive but less-than-ecstatic reception she received at several low-key events in the state’s Capitol. <...>

“It’s been a traditional perception that African-Americans are a monolithic community and <the Clintons> took that tack in 2007 and 2008,” says former state Rep. Bakari Sellers, an enthusiastic Hillary 2016 supporter who backed Obama against Clinton during her last campaign in the Palmetto State. “They realized their mistake during the primary, but it was too late by that time.<..>

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/hillary-clinton-south-carolina-return-campaign-visit-118333.html

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #158)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:28 AM

184. Because the crowd was white? Come to MN on Sunday night - there will be plenty of poc there.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #184)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:01 AM

192. After that kickoff, he has no choice. Like I said, Bernie's a favorite of the Unions. They'll see...

to it that the optics of that event aren't repeated.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #192)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:52 AM

246. Think that if you like. And yes, we are Union and proud.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #246)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:16 PM

270. LOL! Well you know those bad Unions!

 

I swear some here can barely contain their hatred for unions and progressives. Until 2008 I had no idea such a 'democrat' existed. Boy what the years teach a fella.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #184)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:15 PM

297. Sunday morning

wouldn't want anyone to be late.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #297)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:25 PM

298. Thank you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:25 PM

160. This disgusting word salad makes Alex Jones look sane.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:52 PM

170. Alana Massey, whoever she is, is ignorant of the life of Mr. Sanders.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:54 PM

173. This OP is rock bottom.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:01 AM

174. *flush*

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Response to pa28 (Reply #174)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:49 AM

214. You have to flush twice

There's a lot of crap clogging the bowl in this dump.

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Response to deutsey (Reply #214)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:43 AM

244. LOL

the duganslayer must be summoned for this OP

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Response to deutsey (Reply #214)

Sat May 30, 2015, 09:50 PM

325. Fuck that.. Call a plumber for that huge pant load.

 

Someone tried to flush a Depend's!

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #325)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:36 PM

450. Kickin' for L0oniX!!!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:07 AM

176. This is rather despicable to associate Bernie Sanders with slavery and the horrific Chicago PD photo

Last edited Thu May 28, 2015, 12:43 AM - Edit history (1)

This is NY Post yellow journalism and it's shameful. I wonder if such judgmental scorn will errupt for sea of diversity from Hillary's events in Iowa etc.

In addition, lest everyone forget Hillary's racist dog whistles during the 2008 campaign.

http://www.salon.com/2008/05/09/clinton_remarks/

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:49 AM

186. Bernie is just getting started

He's not my 1st pick but his record and actions are pretty clear to me where he stands on black lives matter I'm not going to take that road.
He's got plenty of time to present his positions to people who don't know him yet.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:52 AM

187. I looked in Bernies crowd and thought that his 2A stance would be his heal, not because

... POC are against 2a but that it would show that he's not in touch with many of the issues POC face today.

Not like Hillary's perfect but she's not doubt better...

so far

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:00 AM

191. Swiftboating at its vilest.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:17 AM

200. Im sure the O.P. meant well

But the article itself is race-baiting garbage and so off the mark if flew off the radar and into a worm hole. Sorry.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:42 AM

202. sick, morally repugnant and dishonest

 

Congratulations

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:57 AM

203. A new low

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #203)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:16 AM

206. Yep.

If this where GD and DU are headed during the next year, I'm done. I don't look in here much these days anyway; it's bullshit like this that's making me rethink the time that I do spend here.



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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:13 AM

205. You should be ashamed of yourself for posting such garbage. It's factually incorrect and is a

Blatant attempt at dog whistle racism. Straight out of the Fux News playbook.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:30 AM

209. Here's a description of the author.

About Me:

I'm a pragmatic progressive whose writing is influenced by a long journey out of conservative Christian fundamentalism, as well as my professional experience as a family therapist and nonprofit executive.

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.jp/p/about.html

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:31 AM

210. Nancy LeTourneau is an ignorant tosser, who is obviously not worth listening to

If they can listen to, or read, Sanders' speech, and think it "makes zero mention of any of the issues that burden people of color in this country", then they are clueless.

The truth is that real unemployment is not the 5.4 percent you read in newspapers. It is close to 11 percent if you include those workers who have given up looking for jobs or who are working part time when they want to work full time. Youth unemployment is over 17 percent and African-American youth unemployment is much higher than that. Today, shamefully, we have 45 million people living in poverty, many of whom are working at low-wage jobs. These are the people who struggle every day to find the money to feed their kids, to pay their electric bills and to put gas in the car to get to work. This campaign is about those people and our struggling middle class. It is about creating an economy that works for all, and not just the one percent.

Nearly all his speech was about lifting people and communities out of poverty.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:38 AM

211. You should read "Outsider in the House."

You can read excerpts on Google Books.

Go here and click "View Sample": https://books.google.com/books/about/Outsider_in_the_House.html?id=_2YjBm2_JGUC&hl=en

Go to Chapter 5 and read that, it's pretty eye opening. You can also search the book for various issues you think he ignores.

I think the characterization is unfair. I think that Sanders is as of now channeling his hardcore base so he can build out a strong grassroots organization. It's been two days.

I would ignore the haters or those being dismissive. I have for the first time in well over a decade started using ignore. I will take people off ignore once this primary is over. But I am tired of the hate and vitriol.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 05:46 AM

213. The outrage to this OP

and the vitriol directed against the poster shows a number of things: Worship for Sanders takes precedence above all else; anyone who has any concern has no right to express since since people here insist that Sanders be criticized under no circumstances; they see people of color express concern, and they not only dismiss their concerns but do so with an intense hostility. We are to trust they care about the concerns of people of color, even when they prove time and time again they not only do not care but in fact resent the fact they voice any concerns at all. How dare they question their hero? Who are they to believe their lives matter compared to a great man? I have noticed in general a good deal of worship for great men, and those men always take precedence over the human race. Be it Sanders, Assange, Woody Allen or some other public figure they favor, that man (and they are always men) is held above all others. For them, Sanders is clearly superior to African Americans, who have no right to question that he is their superior. They have no right to ask what he will do about their rights because their lives cannot possibly compare to the great man. This point of view is profoundly conservative, not leftist, liberal, or even Third Way. It is rather the idea that the select few are more important than the many. They pretend to oppose oligarchy while promoting government of the few and for the few.

Then there is the fact that we have seen many thousands of threads making false, far right wing allegations against Clinton, fabrications that are accepted as fact. Yet the same people who claim the right wing rumor will constitutes facts and issues will permit no questions about Sanders. They have no problem engaging in baseless attack after another of one Democrat, but insist to dare to question Sanders is unacceptable, foul. No sense of fairness or intellectual honesty. The only principle is ego. They like Sanders. therefore any speech that is critical of him is unacceptable, ratfucking, even malice.

This kind of absurd, uncritical reverence for a politician is not principled. Treating a politician as a hero, insisting he is more important the people he seeks to represent, is far from leftist. It goes against any conception of critical thinking or democracy. It is not Democratic or democratic. It has more in common with reverence for a monarch or a celebrity than citizen engagement.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #213)

Thu May 28, 2015, 06:07 AM

216. Very true and

as to your third paragraph, I've heard the very people engaging in hero worship in this case complain about Pres. Obama supporters at DU claiming they are engaging in hero worship.

Every single candidate gets to be criticized. Not just the ones this crowd doesn't like.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #216)

Thu May 28, 2015, 06:23 AM

217. I expect they did the same thing with Obama eight years ago

Refused to hear any questions about his plans, and they when he went about implementing the programs he talked about in the campaign (escalation of the war in Afghanistan, the program that became Obamacare) they turned on him for failing to fulfill their fantasies.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #217)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:31 AM

251. 8 years ago, Obama was holding openly anti gay rallies with Donnie McClurkin, an 'ex gay' hate

 

preacher famous for accusing gay people of killing children. DU claimed this was all fine and dandy, told LGBT people that to complain about being called murderers was 'poutrage'. Obama himself defended McClurkin, never apologized for the denigration and went on to honor Rick Warren at the Inaugural days after Warren had equated all gay couples to pedophiles. DU said that was great, 'it's just one little prayer and you gays just want a fabulous pink pony'.

Some perspective. Many on DU claimed a person could hold anti gay rallies with famous anti gay preachers and 'not be a homophobe'. They said 'that's just Church talk'.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #251)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:04 PM

267. Why am I not surprised? nt

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #213)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:14 AM

218. The irony is that one of the candidates actually HAS run a well-recognized racist-tinged campaign.

And that is Hillary. And black people do acknowledge that.

What say you to that? Do you DENY their expertise in knowing racist language when they see it? Because I know there are POC here who did see it ... obviously and clearly.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #218)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:35 AM

221. I have been quite clear on the point

That when it comes to racism, I defer to those who experience it. End of story.

I do not share your obsession with contests among political elites. That kind of conservative worldview is foreign to me. So please, quit pestering me about your obsession with Hillary Clinton. I'm beyond bored with it. Find some other way to deal with your anger toward her.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #221)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:12 AM

233. You will just have to learn to deal with your boredom.

I am not angry at Hillary anymore. I would merely prefer it if she did not become the next President of the United States.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #233)

Sun May 31, 2015, 07:27 AM

377. and I would prefer if another Republican doesn't win the Presidential...

 

I would prefer that they DON'T hold all three branches of government along with 5 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices...Because I prefer not to have THOSE things happen.....I PREFER to run the candidate with the strongest record AGAINST them....

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #213)

Thu May 28, 2015, 11:31 AM

257. Another totally dishonest post

This isn't about "worshipping Sanders" it is about two white people, and now now you, trying to claim that somehow you care so much for people of color and trying to paint Bernie Sanders as somehow linked to racist episodes because he gave a speech about economics. In order to prop up your candidate, the OP was willing to tie Sanders to a racist painting and "white Protestantism" (though he is Jewish) and police brutality against a black man in a brutal picture. It is dishonest and disgusting to do this to a person who marched for civil rights, who was arrested in protests, who has a stellar record on voting for it. Far better than Hillary Clinton who ran a racist campaign in 2008.

Here's a question: what have you done for civil rights? What has the OP or the blogger done? If the answer is not much other than verbal or written support, then you have no credibility to make this argument.

White people don't get to co-opt black people's lives for their own aggrandizement. You don't speak for people of color. And if you agree with this method of attack to balance the scales as what you perceive as "baseless" attacks against your idol, then you are stooping just as low as the OP. But I'm not surprised.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #257)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:03 PM

266. Where do I claim Sanders is racist?

If you think my post says that, you haven't paid even the slightest bit of attention to it.

Number23 is not white. OnPatrol is not white. Istronglbackman and JAG are not white. The core posters of the African American group are not white. There are threads on the subject there, none of which accuse Sanders of being racist. NONE. There are two general arguments: Number23's and Onpatrol's critique of both candidates, asking what they will do for black lives. Then there are arguments talking about white privilege and thinly veiled racism by some DUers here, not Sanders. You seem determined to miss the point. I'm not sure why you have decided not to read their posts or the threads in that group. However, your point that only two white posters care about issues of diversity is shown false by those threads.

BigTree explained the questions related to Sanders and the other candidates extremely well. I suggest you read his GD thread. My understanding is that he is also African American.

I do nothing for civil rights. I have gone to demonstrations, taught courses, written grants and secured money for organizations that engage om outreach for communities of color, but I don't claim that to amount to doing anything for civil rights. The only thing I do is listen to what people of color I know say rather than telling them to shut up. You apparently prefer people who claim corporations have planted people of color and women in the party to subvert it from its true cause who post reactionary articles against diversity and use click bait claiming it to be about Sanders, when in fact it doesn't deal with the election at all. That of course is your right.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #266)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:11 PM

268. Deflect

Derail. Whatever. Your reaction to this vile post is to claim the outrage comes from worshipping Sanders. Name drop some black folk you know. Then play innocent. Meh.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #268)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:22 PM

271. You claim I called Sanders racist. My response is not deflection

You made a patently false claim about me and about the posters who have raised the issue. You insisted two white posters, and now me, have called Sanders racist. I have not called Sanders racist, and I haven't seen anyone else do it. I have seen African American posters raise concerns about him AND other candidates. None of my points are deflection. They respond directly to your allegations.
Tell me one phrase in my OP that amounts to calling Sanders racist. One?

You resent I talk about a clear attitude that Sanders not be questioned. Fine. That is not calling Sanders racist. That is criticism of some DUers' hostility toward civic engagement, of holding a politician above the people he would represent. It doesn't approach calling Sanders racist, and it doesn't even count as criticism of him. I don't have any problem with Bernie Sanders. I think him far better than this project on DU being carried out in his name.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:37 AM

222. Unrec'ed

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:41 AM

223. K&R. nt.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:41 AM

224. Huh. Have you forgotten Hillary's use of the Southern Strategy in the '08 primaries?

Why she was ever let off the hook for that I will never know. Unbelievable.

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Response to me b zola (Reply #224)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:15 AM

346. This is why some are desperate to paint Sanders as a racist. n/t

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:52 AM

226. Have you looked at his record?

Seriously.

Have you held Hillary to similar standards. I mean, it is kind of hard to tell since she seems to have been running for presixent for about a decade now.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:08 AM

239. I want to say I think it is very creepy to invoke 'white Protestant' racism to attack a Jewish son

 

of a Polish immigrant fleeing the Holocaust that killed most of his family. Bernie is a minority member, the three groups most often victim of bias crimes in the US are African Americans, LGBT and Jews.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #239)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:11 AM

240. Thank you!

He grew up in Brooklyn and most POC will tell you that the Jews have been the greatest allies of their struggle for equality and Bernie is no exception.

Believe me when I say that Bernie met a LOT more Black people in Brooklyn than Hillary did in Park Ridge, IL (LOLOLOL!)

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #240)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:20 AM

248. Bernie Sanders walked into the Congress newly elected and the first thing he did was seek out and

 

build a caucus with African Americans and others who share his progressive values. He's been sharing a caucus they co-founded for 24 years with Maxine Waters, the Progressive Caucus, which is the largest Democratic Caucus and also the blackest caucus after the actual Black Caucus. This is what a racist does? Enter a new and powerful position and instantly ally with minority members to build a mutual power base? It's an offensive line of bullshit in part because people who take the actions in life that Bernie has taken should be praised for those actions, it's exactly what we need more people to do.
In a world far too full of racists and other bigots, it's really best to call out the actual racists.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #248)

Thu May 28, 2015, 02:48 PM

264. +1

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #248)

Fri May 29, 2015, 02:03 AM

299. Your two posts in this subthread, please consider making them an OP

What you are saying is powerful information and adds very much to the conversation.

And I'm going to stand up and shout for your quote because you said exactly what I've been all over trying to say in one sentence.

In a world far too full of racists and other bigots, it's really best to call out the actual racists.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #299)

Fri May 29, 2015, 02:35 AM

300. I'm with you, Brother Ivan. I wish so too. nt

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #248)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:59 PM

421. +1

replying so I can add to journal and find your post.


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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #239)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:54 PM

295. +1 I'm horrified sheshe is attacking him. He's a kindred soul for the AA community

 

As a Jew, his own life reflects the trials of a minority population.

Yet here's he's being smeared with the worst sort of race baiting.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:31 AM

241. What a filthy piece of shit

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:04 AM

247. If a DUer tries to pull this bullshit on other DUers...

...imagine what the Clinton campaign will attempt.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:32 AM

252. What a disgusting piece of shit post. You should really be ashamed.

 

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #252)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:21 PM

293. +1000 nt

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:48 AM

255. OMFG. Another silly shit-a$$ numbers game. . .

Another case of the "Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed Syndrome"
Just another version of a previous thread. Sheesh.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6739768

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 02:36 PM

263. Everyone seems happy in Hillary's launch.