Wed May 27, 2015, 07:44 PM

sheshe2 (62,590 posts)

Not Good Enough, Bernie

Alana Massey writes about how the Apotheosis of Washington - which was painted in 1865 by Constantino Brumidi and adorns the ceiling of the U.S. Capitol Rotunda - points to the white protestant roots of American racism.

When the fresco was completed, four million black people called the United States home but were only that year able to enjoy even the most limited experience of citizenship when the Civil War ended and the Emancipation Proclamation began the process of ending slavery. Of course, Brumidi’s fresco only features white faces.

His painting illustrates the complexities of a nation inextricably informed by the religious ethics of its founders and those who continue to wield power today: Religious white men, ascending to fame on the strength of their ideals. Even those founding fathers—who identified primarily as deists—shared views that aligned with Christian theologies. American society is heavily informed by this religious foundation, specifically in terms of racial injustice, even as religious identification declines.

But perhaps the most gut-punching story of all was about the release of this picture:

That photo would be horrifying at any time. But coming on the heels of all the incidents of police shooting unarmed black men and the Department of Justice report detailing the outlandish racism that permeated the Ferguson Police Department, City Hall and Court system, it is nothing short of soul-crushing.

It is due to all of the above that I have to say that when Sen. Bernie Sanders kicks off his presidential campaign with a suggestion that he is launching a "political revolution to transform our country," and yet makes zero mention of any of the issues that burden people of color in this country, my response is simply..."Not good enough, Bernie."

Read More http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2015/05/not-good-enough-bernie.html

Oh, and before you ask.

We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go
Q: Is race still the most intractable issue in America?

A: It is abundantly clear that race and racism are defining challenges not only in the United States but around the world. We have made progress. You can look at this stage and see an African American, a Latino, a woman contesting for the presidency of the United States. But there is so much left to be done. And for anyone to assert that race is not a problem in America is to deny the reality in front of our very eyes. You can look at the thousands of African-Americans left behind by their government with Katrina. You can look at the opportunity gap. So, yes, we have come a long way, but, yes, we have a long way to go. The march is not finished, and I hope that all of us, the Democratic candidates, will demonstrate clearly that the work is yet to be done. And we call on everyone to be foot soldiers in that revolution to finish the job.
Source: 2007 Democratic Primary Debate at Howard University , Jun 28, 2007

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

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462 replies	Author	Time	Post
Not Good Enough, Bernie (Original post)	sheshe2	May 2015	OP
.	peacebird	May 2015	#1
Epic flame bait OP indeed.	L0oniX	May 2015	#316
.	Trajan	May 2015	#2
A ever ending battle it seems...	AuntPatsy	May 2015	#3
Did you really have to go back to 2007 to find something Hillary said on race?	aikoaiko	May 2015	#4
And?	sheshe2	May 2015	#6
Like her war vote? No, wait, that's not right...	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#10
bernie marched in 63 for civil rights	questionseverything	May 2015	#13
Ha!	sheshe2	May 2015	#36
you are the one posting an op implying bernie is not cool on civil rights	questionseverything	May 2015	#65
Again, I am a fan of facts so here is the section you referenced	nadinbrzezinski	May 2015	#81
Hillary has the blood of 1,000,000+ dead Iraqi civilians dripping from her hands. How	KingCharlemagne	May 2015	#230
I see the same crowd all posting the same type of posts	Mojorabbit	May 2015	#258
I see the same crowd all posting the same type of posts	Mojorabbit	May 2015	#258
There are things I like about Hillary and things I detest.	Voice for Peace	May 2015	#275
Just to add to what you have, it's also worth pointing out that military members from	davidpdx	May 2015	#322
However,members of the military are, on average, better educated than the civilian population.	7962	Sep 2015	#446
There have not been 1M killed in Iraq. Not even close. Bullshit number	7962	Sep 2015	#443
Just ignore The Lancet and Johns Hopkins U. Clearly u know more	KingCharlemagne	Sep 2015	#444
Apparently I do. Most RELIABLE studies show maybe HALF that number. Including Johns Hopkins.	7962	Sep 2015	#445
Excess deaths	PaulaFarrell	Feb 2016	#453
I said it was the worst foreign policy decision ever.	7962	Feb 2016	#455
Just for factual stuff	nadinbrzezinski	May 2015	#37
You refer to her beginning to find out at age and her AA mentors.	freshwest	May 2015	#126
Maybe the Op was to obtuse for some.	sheshe2	May 2015	#149
At least one Factual Error in your post	bvar22	May 2015	#277
I think one term as prez of College Republicans, not Goldwater Girls, since	deurbano	May 2015	#296
So being a Republican then was all great once the Goldwater election was over?	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#452
Why are you directing all this at me, nine months after my very brief correction?	deurbano	Feb 2016	#454
Yeah, his economic agenda would ravage minority communities. STOP BERNIE before it's too late!	peecoolyour	May 2015	#5
+10	appalachiablue	May 2015	#134
K'n'R	ucrdem	May 2015	#7
I'm afraid to even ask what the story is behind that second picture.	sufrommich	May 2015	#8
Well, I can't see any of them, so I had to post blind on this one. n/t	freshwest	May 2015	#24
Can you see this one, fresh~	sheshe2	May 2015	#44
I can see it if I use my mouse to get View Image but it won't post. Disgusting, insane, dangerous.	freshwest	May 2015	#61
For one brief moment...	TeeYiYi	May 2015	#146
An Inner shade of Blue	seveneyes	May 2015	#9
Sanders "makes zero mention of any of the issues that burden people of color in this country"?	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#11
You Seem... Worried... Interesting...	WillyT	May 2015	#12
I am not worried at all, WillyT.	sheshe2	May 2015	#15
That's Good To Know... Let The Campaign Proceed...	WillyT	May 2015	#17
...	sheshe2	May 2015	#20
no, you just post some of the most repugnant stuff available	cali	May 2015	#227
.	NRaleighLiberal	May 2015	#14
Absurd.	hifiguy	May 2015	#16
"A young Bernie Sanders speaks to civil rights activists at the University of Chicago."	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#109
+5	appalachiablue	May 2015	#132
Actually it was Martin Luther King's Dream.	sheshe2	May 2015	#162
Sweet. And here's a quote for you and Nancy...	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#177
That's interesting--You're saying Bernie ran a photoshopped pic	Jackpine Radical	May 2015	#301
That's a keeper!	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#307
Consider, too, that much of D.C. itself was built by slaves.	freshwest	May 2015	#18
Lol~ Great pic!!!!!!!1!!!!!1	sheshe2	May 2015	#22
You're really trying to associate sanders with that picture from the Chicago police	Scootaloo	May 2015	#19
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	May 2015	#21
Who is Mags?	Rex	May 2015	#29
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	May 2015	#30
Okay ty saw that one coming a mile away.	Rex	May 2015	#35
This message was self-deleted by its author	eloydude	May 2015	#69
Excellent news -	Divernan	May 2015	#89
It is, but I'll kinda miss Cali shooting her down at every turn.	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#104
I won't miss her at all. not a scrap. not an iota.	cali	May 2015	#229
you're being too generous	frylock	May 2015	#280
None of the five posts were all that bad	treestar	May 2015	#236
hahahahahahahahahah	FlatBaroque	May 2015	#242
Is it ok to +1 that?	L0oniX	May 2015	#317
A previously banned troll, trolling anew, when not on time out.	morningfog	May 2015	#116
Yeah ...where is Sid the troll hunter when ya need him.	L0oniX	May 2015	#318
I knew Mags, but who is Sidney? (n/t)	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#74
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	May 2015	#75
WOW! Who'da thunk?	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	May 2015	#80
Oh goodie. The Pledge Queen. (n/t)	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#83
89 days ago today she had 3 hidden. I can hardly wait!	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#84
I imagine she's already back, but much more toned-down.	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#91
MDearest was my first thought actually... n/t	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#97
TOTALLY unrelated	tkmorris	May 2015	#99
And will get another time out in about a week, no doubt.	morningfog	May 2015	#118
Exactly.	Puglover	May 2015	#220
Absentee landlords seldom take good care of their properties. n/t	QC	May 2015	#265
VR sent me a PM today for some reason, in response to a Sanders post of mine	arcane1	May 2015	#262
Aren't we the lucky ones though? That makes three of us	Autumn	May 2015	#309
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Jun 2015	#394
"<=== For you, Sid, buddy."	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#82
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	May 2015	#96
Naturally! He and the OP are pals.	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#101
Gonna be a tough two weeks for ol' Sid LOL. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#102
Lol! For pissing off all the right people!	neverforget	May 2015	#87
Nailed it!	L0oniX	May 2015	#320
I forgot I posted this but I'm happy that you got the reference....	neverforget	May 2015	#321
None of those posts were all that bad	treestar	May 2015	#237
hahahahahahahahahahahhaahah	FlatBaroque	May 2015	#243
Wow, good week. /nt	Marr	May 2015	#249
Sid's on vacation? Wow.	L0oniX	May 2015	#319
Yeah, but...	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#328
Finally	LittleBlue	May 2015	#334
All fourteen of them, counting socks-- if the recs are any indication.	Marr	May 2015	#219
what happened to Sidney and Mags?	grasswire	May 2015	#260
This subthread	Bobbie Jo	May 2015	#351
So much Meta, so little time	Hekate	Jun 2015	#402
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Jun 2015	#408
Actually, no Scoot.	sheshe2	May 2015	#23
No, that's precisely what you (and the author of the piece) are trying to do.	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#27
That's exactly what you did. it's right there in your OP	Scootaloo	May 2015	#28
this is one of the most disgusting and dishonest OPs. I know politics is dirty business	Hiraeth	May 2015	#48
Seriously-- there are about four people on this forum who seem to be locked in a competition to	Marr	May 2015	#250
That is a shame.	Hiraeth	May 2015	#254
they use "no one said he's a racist" in the literal sense all the while	neverforget	May 2015	#290
+1 Good point about maybe the GOP stooping this low. Unbelievable-	appalachiablue	May 2015	#302
See, there go again Scoot.	sheshe2	May 2015	#64
He damn sure told you what you typed.	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#68
Did you read anything at the link.	sheshe2	May 2015	#88
If your intent was something completely different from what you actually said, I can't help that	Scootaloo	May 2015	#76
If the OPs intent was different from what it being interpreted	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#371
Your OP is revolting	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#370
DU has provided you with several tools to make it go away including hide thread and ignore. nt	ucrdem	May 2015	#372
I really do not understand the intent of this OP at all. Is the poster trying to imply that Sanders	Hiraeth	May 2015	#39
It's a quote from a blog, the link is given, and the full context is quoted.	ucrdem	May 2015	#42
a perfectly reasonable response to what exactly? Evidently, I am making the wrong inference here.	Hiraeth	May 2015	#53
To today's kickoff speech.	ucrdem	May 2015	#58
I am not sure Jesus Christ on a cross is good enough for the OP. That's my reading anyway.	Hiraeth	May 2015	#63
+1 Well said.	BeanMusical	May 2015	#159
That crap immasmartypants blog is pimped here pretty frequenty...	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#79
That OP is nothing but a LOLcats pic, a blind link and a rofl smilie.	Hiraeth	May 2015	#85
Read the entire thread.	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#98
I scanned it and yes, I think I have the gist of it all and the players involved. Thanks!	Hiraeth	May 2015	#106
#110 in this thread sums it up.	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#120
I am beginning to suspect that post #110 is pretty well on target after reading more today.	Hiraeth	May 2015	#253
Attempting to paint Bernie Sanders as a racist is way weird. nt	Zorra	May 2015	#52
It's worse than pathetic. It is vile.	cui bono	May 2015	#261
This post would be a knee-slapper IF...	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#25
WOW. This may be the most DISHONEST AND DISGUSTING post I've ever seen on DU	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#26
Preach it, Brother Ivan. The whole thing is a race-baiting lie.	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#32
I am so angry that this post is even being shared	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#38
Actually, I never said that Bernie was a racist.	sheshe2	May 2015	#127
I think that refers to an exchange he had with Seabeyond.	TDale313	May 2015	#133
Yes, you are correct	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#135
You should be ashamed of this OP	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#136
You know they take words and twist them to get their victim card going on.	Cha	May 2015	#185
This message was self-deleted by its author	appalachiablue	May 2015	#138
From an Italian artist's 1865 ceiling painting in the Congress, enslaved African Americans,	appalachiablue	May 2015	#127
+1 Good post	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#139
That's a tour de force of a comment. kudos. nt	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	May 2015	#281
Thanks, this is some piece...	appalachiablue	May 2015	#303
Excellent summary.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#306
That's quite the waste of an effort to correct the OP.	L0oniX	May 2015	#323
Your remarks are not relevant to my reason for posting. Don't waste your time on me.	appalachiablue	May 2015	#333
^^^this^^^	peacebird	May 2015	#33
It's a quote from a blog, the link is given, and the context is reasonable.	ucrdem	May 2015	#34
Here is Sanders at the Selma anniversary march with Rep Lewis	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#41
Thanks. Very reasonable response.	ucrdem	May 2015	#46
A wonderful photo of all, thanks much-	appalachiablue	May 2015	#140
FUCKIN WOW, I used to think Sanders had a POC issue...	uponit7771	May 2015	#188
I wrote a thread in response and people added more info	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#193
No... no... no!!! Kerry wasn't a racist either and look what happened to his numbers with POC	uponit7771	May 2015	#196
Here is his statement on the anniversary	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#45
Hillary Clinton didn't make it to the march, she was in Miami	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#47
This was two weeks ago?	ucrdem	May 2015	#51
Same date as the march	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#55
I know, but that's what I meant.	ucrdem	May 2015	#59
It seems the Clintons DID make it...	ucrdem	May 2015	#108
The picture you've posted is from 2007. The Clintons were not at the march this year.	Dems to Win	May 2015	#145
Okay thanks I'll add that.	ucrdem	May 2015	#150
+1 Miami, right-	appalachiablue	May 2015	#141
Then he was damned prescient when he marched on Washington in 1963, worked for	merrily	May 2015	#165
It's a stupid fucking "opinion" and there is EVERYTHING wrong with it	tkmorris	May 2015	#114
No, primaries are not all about going from a ceiling mural to bs about Sanders not caring about	merrily	May 2015	#152
Did you click the link? The context is that these and a couple of others are all from today's news.	ucrdem	May 2015	#155
The implication of the OP is that Bernie is insensitive to race. And, while the OP has denied	merrily	May 2015	#167
You tell 'em!	Art_from_Ark	May 2015	#207
Thank you.	merrily	May 2015	#228
I agree the OP has jumped the shark with this one.	Divernan	May 2015	#94
An epic swiftboat fail.	L0oniX	May 2015	#324
Well, this white people...	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#129
This message was self-deleted by its author	appalachiablue	May 2015	#273
Wish I could give this a rec.	AngryOldDem	May 2015	#208
+1	Pooka Fey	May 2015	#225
This is her way of trying to innoculate Hillary from the charge of mass murder in the	KingCharlemagne	May 2015	#234
That one vote doesn't count	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#256
Probably, but a lousy effort-	appalachiablue	May 2015	#274
The stretch is so desperate that you almost want to give creedence	Puzzledtraveller	May 2015	#337
Thank you. Now I don't have to type it. What a nasty OP. nt	ladyVet	Jun 2015	#430
It will not be forgotten as a base attempt to smear a candidate	BrotherIvan	Jun 2015	#431
Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, not an elitist.	Rex	May 2015	#31
If Bernie is a liar, he is the best one I have ever seen and I have known some doozies in my time.	Hiraeth	May 2015	#40
And, Sanders scores are HIGHER than HRC from the NAACP, the ACLU, and the Human Rights Commission	NYC_SKP	May 2015	#50
Well I would think civil rights would be at the top of a social democrats agenda.	Rex	May 2015	#56
Nope. He's certainly not another out-of-touch Ivy Leaguer.	peecoolyour	May 2015	#72
Hey Rex.	sheshe2	May 2015	#100
I know you did not nor did I suggest it at all.	Rex	May 2015	#107
No...	sheshe2	May 2015	#112
Good I am glad you didn't think I was implying anything with my post.	Rex	May 2015	#113
They are all telling me what I meant,	sheshe2	May 2015	#119
Nah...they are about "national conversations" and "listening tours" actual policy not so much	TheKentuckian	May 2015	#391
Didn't you see- Hillary spoke at Howard U! Great data, thanks; helps with the derangement here-	appalachiablue	May 2015	#163
The Kickoff.	yallerdawg	May 2015	#43
"WOW! There's a place in Burlington, Vermont that looks EXACTLY like this picture!"	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#57
That is what I'd be thinking.	yallerdawg	May 2015	#93
Yeah. I'm not playin'. Sorry.	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#95
Oh yes I do know what you think~	sheshe2	May 2015	#103
There you go again	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#201
This message was self-deleted by its author	myrna minx	May 2015	#313
+1. You can't really say what you're thinking. It's a hideable offense, obviously.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2015	#161
But it isn't. It's Vermont, in which every county voted OVERWHELMINGLY	cali	May 2015	#231
A little pandering here, seems. Failed juxtaposition, IMO.	libdem4life	May 2015	#49
Has Bernie ever made a speech about his white male heterosexual privilege?	Nye Bevan	May 2015	#54
Has Bill Clinton? He'd be a better person on this.	cali	May 2015	#232
"The phrase "our first Black president" was adopted as a positive by Bill Clinton supporters"	Nye Bevan	May 2015	#235
Am I missing something.	onecaliberal	May 2015	#60
Really? Nothing that Bernie spoke of impacts POC?	bunnies	May 2015	#62
It's part of an ongoing ratfucking attempt on DU	Scootaloo	May 2015	#110
Were you equally outraged when a prominent DUer called the president a POS used car salesman?	ucrdem	May 2015	#122
Boom!	sheshe2	May 2015	#125
I'm acknowledging a ratfucking attempt. Does this bother you?	Scootaloo	May 2015	#130
Fine, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree. nt	ucrdem	May 2015	#131
No, i'm barking at people with rodents in their trousers. n/t	Scootaloo	May 2015	#151
Hey you~	sheshe2	May 2015	#153
Backatcha for 6,000! * SPEECH *	ucrdem	May 2015	#157
I posted that in the BOG not long ago.	sheshe2	May 2015	#172
Barack Obama was wrong about one thing and it nearly killed us ...	ucrdem	Jun 2015	#407
OUCH!	calimary	May 2015	#272
I don't know whether to bookmark it or alert on it. I just assumed that someone would have already	Hiraeth	May 2015	#111
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	May 2015	#66
economic equailty is key to racial equality.	WDIM	May 2015	#67
There is a living breathing human being at the other end of your race-baiting post	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#70
I also said politics aside in that Op.	sheshe2	May 2015	#77
You've done a really filthy and low thing here today.	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#168
Here ya go.	cwydro	May 2015	#178
That's impressive. nt	MannyGoldstein	May 2015	#179
Thanks for letting me know.	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#181
You're welcome.	cwydro	May 2015	#182
Juror 7: "OP is lower than a snake's belly in a ditch."	Divernan	May 2015	#212
You want it to include all of us. How are poc excluded? We are all in a country that is on the brink	jwirr	May 2015	#175
Total bullshit post. Learn a little more about the man, why don't you?	HERVEPA	May 2015	#71
This is pretty low.	TDale313	May 2015	#73
Yes. He frequently mentions issues directly affecting others. This is an inaccurate OP.	glinda	May 2015	#86
Hear, hear. His numbers don't lie.	AtomicKitten	May 2015	#90
No it's not, not at all... Same issue Kerry had with POC... we'll see, it's early	uponit7771	May 2015	#190
Fail	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#92
+1	Go Vols	May 2015	#105
He should have mentioned these issues more explicitly in his speech.	F4lconF16	May 2015	#115
If I may quote you, "this OP is a blatant and dishonest way to smear a man who's been heavily	rhett o rick	May 2015	#124
This message was self-deleted by its author	840high	May 2015	#117
Race has long been used as a way to keep people from realizing that	dflprincess	May 2015	#121
Good point. n/t	whathehell	May 2015	#238
Kicking because I love to see smartypants shot down.	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#123
I'm with you there	Puzzledtraveller	May 2015	#338
Feh! Neoliberal whitesplaining- and clumsy whitesplaining at that...	friendly_iconoclast	May 2015	#137
After reading this thread I feel like...	one_voice	May 2015	#142
Really so black people don't care about Social Security, tuition, debt, jobs, health care ?	Cheese Sandwich	May 2015	#143
You illustrate the deeper problem with the OP	Puzzledtraveller	May 2015	#339
Hmm.	davidthegnome	May 2015	#144
You're going to need a firehose to get that off your shoe	Prism	May 2015	#147
Well done!	MannyGoldstein	May 2015	#148
This is where I will be on Sunday	Kalidurga	May 2015	#154
He's talking about the HUMAN race, she she…	MrMickeysMom	May 2015	#156
So..........	sheshe2	May 2015	#164
I think we are finally at what is really bothering you. Our opposition to the TPP. Sheshe we do not	jwirr	May 2015	#183
Wrong.	sheshe2	May 2015	#189
I am a fan of facts	nadinbrzezinski	May 2015	#198
Thank you for providing an example of what serving the human race is all about...	MrMickeysMom	May 2015	#286
I deal wth facts all the time	nadinbrzezinski	May 2015	#291
I wish sheshe would respond to this. Says a lot that she ignores it	riderinthestorm	May 2015	#294
Why hasn't the federal government stepped in	Jamastiene	May 2015	#204
Yeah, but think of what Fox News would say	MannyGoldstein	May 2015	#215
Great questions. The silence is deafening. *crickets*	Pooka Fey	May 2015	#279
Notice how the OP never responded to the posts by Nadin or Jamastiene	neverforget	May 2015	#292
And I am many others were totally in agreement about that. I mention TPP because ever since	jwirr	May 2015	#245
Is it a fitting requirement that attests to what you say in this OP?	MrMickeysMom	May 2015	#289
Obviously, that announcement wasn't for us. I'll say again, I don't think Bernie Sanders has a.....	Tarheel_Dem	May 2015	#158
I do not think he is racist.	sheshe2	May 2015	#166
Nothing wrong with your o.p. If this had been a Republican event, you'd be getting high fives.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2015	#171
Hey you~	sheshe2	May 2015	#194
No one has called him a racist. The charge is meant to invalidate your feelings of discomfort.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2015	#195
I have stayed calm, cool and collected here.	sheshe2	May 2015	#197
Re: "the least representative event"	foo_bar	May 2015	#199
This message was self-deleted by its author	A-Schwarzenegger	May 2015	#180
Because the crowd was white? Come to MN on Sunday night - there will be plenty of poc there.	jwirr	May 2015	#184
After that kickoff, he has no choice. Like I said, Bernie's a favorite of the Unions. They'll see...	Tarheel_Dem	May 2015	#192
Think that if you like. And yes, we are Union and proud.	jwirr	May 2015	#246
LOL! Well you know those bad Unions!	Rex	May 2015	#270
Sunday morning	dflprincess	May 2015	#297
Thank you.	jwirr	May 2015	#298
This disgusting word salad makes Alex Jones look sane.	BeanMusical	May 2015	#160
This message was self-deleted by its author	A-Schwarzenegger	May 2015	#169
Alana Massey, whoever she is, is ignorant of the life of Mr. Sanders.	WinkyDink	May 2015	#170
This OP is rock bottom.	marmar	May 2015	#173
flush	pa28	May 2015	#174
You have to flush twice	deutsey	May 2015	#214
LOL	FlatBaroque	May 2015	#244
Fuck that.. Call a plumber for that huge pant load.	L0oniX	May 2015	#325
Kickin' for L0oniX!!!	cui bono	Feb 2016	#450
This is rather despicable to associate Bernie Sanders with slavery and the horrific Chicago PD photo	myrna minx	May 2015	#176
Bernie is just getting started	gwheezie	May 2015	#186
I looked in Bernies crowd and thought that his 2A stance would be his heal, not because	uponit7771	May 2015	#187
Swiftboating at its vilest.	CharlotteVale	May 2015	#191
Im sure the O.P. meant well	romanic	May 2015	#200
sick, morally repugnant and dishonest	cali	May 2015	#202
A new low	whatchamacallit	May 2015	#203
Yep.	AngryOldDem	May 2015	#206
You should be ashamed of yourself for posting such garbage. It's factually incorrect and is a	Exilednight	May 2015	#205
Here's a description of the author.	Bonobo	May 2015	#209
Nancy LeTourneau is an ignorant tosser, who is obviously not worth listening to	muriel_volestrangler	May 2015	#210
You should read "Outsider in the House."	joshcryer	May 2015	#211
The outrage to this OP	BainsBane	May 2015	#213
Very true and	gollygee	May 2015	#216
I expect they did the same thing with Obama eight years ago	BainsBane	May 2015	#217
8 years ago, Obama was holding openly anti gay rallies with Donnie McClurkin, an 'ex gay' hate	Bluenorthwest	May 2015	#251
Why am I not surprised? nt	BainsBane	May 2015	#267
The irony is that one of the candidates actually HAS run a well-recognized racist-tinged campaign.	Bonobo	May 2015	#218
I have been quite clear on the point	BainsBane	May 2015	#221
You will just have to learn to deal with your boredom.	Bonobo	May 2015	#233
and I would prefer if another Republican doesn't win the Presidential...	VanillaRhapsody	May 2015	#377
Another totally dishonest post	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#257
Where do I claim Sanders is racist?	BainsBane	May 2015	#266
Deflect	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#268
You claim I called Sanders racist. My response is not deflection	BainsBane	May 2015	#271
Unrec'ed	Pooka Fey	May 2015	#222
K&R. nt.	NCTraveler	May 2015	#223
Huh. Have you forgotten Hillary's use of the Southern Strategy in the '08 primaries?	me b zola	May 2015	#224
This is why some are desperate to paint Sanders as a racist. n/t	winter is coming	May 2015	#346
Have you looked at his record?	kenfrequed	May 2015	#226
I want to say I think it is very creepy to invoke 'white Protestant' racism to attack a Jewish son	Bluenorthwest	May 2015	#239
Thank you!	Bonobo	May 2015	#240
Bernie Sanders walked into the Congress newly elected and the first thing he did was seek out and	Bluenorthwest	May 2015	#248
+1	appalachiablue	May 2015	#264
Your two posts in this subthread, please consider making them an OP	BrotherIvan	May 2015	#299
I'm with you, Brother Ivan. I wish so too. nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#300
+1	cui bono	Jun 2015	#421
+1 I'm horrified sheshe is attacking him. He's a kindred soul for the AA community	riderinthestorm	May 2015	#295
What a filthy piece of shit	FlatBaroque	May 2015	#241
If a DUer tries to pull this bullshit on other DUers...	Orsino	May 2015	#247
What a disgusting piece of shit post. You should really be ashamed.	Comrade Grumpy	May 2015	#252
+1000 nt	Mojorabbit	May 2015	#293
OMFG. Another silly shit-a$$ numbers game. . .	DinahMoeHum	May 2015	#255
Everyone seems happy in Hillary's launch.	GeorgeGist	May 2015	#263
I am really disappointed to see you post this kind of post on DU.	SalviaBlue	May 2015	#269
I agree.	bvar22	May 2015	#276
It's perfectly okay to point out the whiteness factor of Bernie's campaign, and it should	Voice for Peace	May 2015	#278
Giving you a hug.	hrmjustin	May 2015	#282
She certainly is!	greatauntoftriplets	May 2015	#283
You are a sweet friend, justin.	sheshe2	May 2015	#284
My pleasure my friend!	hrmjustin	May 2015	#285
I agree	gollygee	May 2015	#315
immashitmypants.derp	frylock	May 2015	#287
LMAO	L0oniX	May 2015	#327
"immashitmypants.derp" You poor thing.	Cha	May 2015	#366
If unrecs or down votes were available, this thread would have - (negative) 300. at least.	darkangel218	May 2015	#288
I wonder if this ranks with one of the worst ever?	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2015	#409
Most likely.	darkangel218	Jun 2015	#411
This is a disgusting OP and you should be ashamed of yourself.	NaturalHigh	May 2015	#304
Yeah, we get it...you want hillary	DiverDave	May 2015	#305
Unfounded desperate diversion .	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#308
Kickety kick for exposure...	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#310
Wow. Disgusting hit piece.	Avalux	May 2015	#311
PUSHing this diseased piece of trash back to the top and into the sunlight...	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#312
The refusal to self-delete despite the overwhelming reaction also means something. nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#335
I think it pretty much tells the whole story, don't you?	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#341
I think so. Because I have seen you be enough of a grownup to admit a mistake.	Bonobo	May 2015	#369
Unrec. It's not like I ever had the least amount of repect for you anyway.	L0oniX	May 2015	#314
This post is so polluted; it won't even sink!	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#326
Mmmmph!	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#329
I'm not going to accuse you of anything directly, but I will point out some things and	davidpdx	May 2015	#330
Excellent post. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#332
Here is the thing David.	sheshe2	May 2015	#340
Truth, FINALLY.	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#342
It's almost like she's proud of her behaviour.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#363
Hold on. No juror called you a bitch.	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#343
Yeah.	sheshe2	May 2015	#344
No you don't...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#345
I just checked the link and it's a fair claim.	ucrdem	May 2015	#347
no it most certainly NOT a fair claim	m-lekktor	May 2015	#348
No-one called her a bitch so I don't know where you read that...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#349
Oh ffs. So all of us are just IMAGINING we heard the racist dog whistle?	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#368
The OP is serious and thoughtful. The replies, less so.	ucrdem	May 2015	#373
Here are a few of the best responses to this "thoughtful" op:	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#375
Serious and thoughtful? The OP is a TANTRUM and nothing more. She ADMITS that right here:	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#378
...	sheshe2	May 2015	#352
I'm sure that made some sense to you. It didn't to me...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#355
yup	sheshe2	May 2015	#358
Nope. No-one called you a bitch, sheshe....	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#361
Nobody EVER called you a bitch.	NaturalHigh	May 2015	#357
Hmm. In an "Around about way" you say?	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#362
The dishonesty never stops.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#350
I found the double standards between that incident and this thread so jarring...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#354
And now she's the victim. Again.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#356
Trust me.	sheshe2	May 2015	#360
Which connect the dots are you using? Me and Scottie are using this one...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#365
!	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#367
Lol!	neverforget	May 2015	#385
President Obama is not just YOUR president. He's OUR president.	NaturalHigh	May 2015	#359
Who is they?	NaturalHigh	May 2015	#364
For the record on this part:	davidpdx	May 2015	#374
(In my best Moses voice from the movie "The Ten Commandments") BEHOLD!	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#331
I'm convinced	Puzzledtraveller	May 2015	#353
That's your choice.	Puzzledtraveller	May 2015	#336
Shit! Who needs the media when you've got OP's like these?! nt	Earth_First	May 2015	#376
This sick tantrum belongs at the top of the forum.	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#379
What a steaming pile of shit. Bernie doesn't have a racist bone in his	totodeinhere	May 2015	#380
I am as sure of that as I am the Sun will rise tomorrow morning. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#381
HOISTing this Freak Flag back to the top...	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#382
This message was self-deleted by its author	A-Schwarzenegger	May 2015	#383
Poor, misunderstood Implier that she is... LOL n/t	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#384
While Bernie is great on issues of race, I will rec because I have yet..	joeybee12	May 2015	#386
This message was self-deleted by its author	A-Schwarzenegger	May 2015	#387
That's not from one of his die-hard supporters...nt	joeybee12	May 2015	#388
This message was self-deleted by its author	A-Schwarzenegger	May 2015	#390
Agreed, I think the issue is real and deserves serious discussion.	ucrdem	May 2015	#389
Kickin' for the Sunday night toilet read	cherokeeprogressive	May 2015	#392
Hmmm...my stomach is starting to rumble a bit.	NaturalHigh	May 2015	#393
flush	AtomicKitten	Jun 2015	#414
Ha!	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2015	#415
um, about the paper	AtomicKitten	Jun 2015	#416
Damn. I hung it in the wrong direction didn't I...	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2015	#418
I wish people would stop kicking old threads.	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#395
I hate it when people kick old threads too. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2015	#396
Me too.	AtomicKitten	Jun 2015	#397
Some things get better with age.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2015	#398
You know if you delete your post it reverses the kick.	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#399
Hmm, I don't think you're telling the truth.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2015	#400
This message was self-deleted by its author	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#401
nope	AtomicKitten	Jun 2015	#403
Dammit.	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#405
This message was self-deleted by its author	AtomicKitten	Jun 2015	#412
This post was hidden by jury decision.	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#417
Posting Privileges Revoked	AtomicKitten	Jun 2015	#419
Poster had been banned.	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#420
Hahaha...	cui bono	Jun 2015	#427
The zombie thread is ALIVE!!!	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#429
!!!	AtomicKitten	Jun 2015	#436
Yeah this one ain't aging well at ALL. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2015	#404
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Jul 2015	#441
At the end of the day we have a long thread with a lot of ferocious denials	ucrdem	Jun 2015	#406
This thread is like roadkill that keeps getting run over.	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2015	#410
apparently it isn't a sail cat yet.	lonestarnot	Jun 2015	#413
Kick	cui bono	Jun 2015	#422
That can't be!	Bonobo	Jun 2015	#423
If this OP sinks any lower...	cui bono	Jun 2015	#424
You mean Bernie, the handgun maniac DIDN'T put the horns on that prisoner and take the photo?	Bonobo	Jun 2015	#425
Yeah, I'll kick this POS OP.	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2015	#426
Don't fret it sheshe.	Emily Grierson	Jun 2015	#428
That's a good one!	ladyVet	Jun 2015	#432
Poster is no longer with us.	AtomicKitten	Jun 2015	#433
I bet I know what you DO take seriously...	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2015	#434
This belongs back up there at the top with the other bullshit post.	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2015	#435
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Jun 2015	#437
I'm afraid your OP doesn't make sense to me.	Betty Karlson	Jun 2015	#438
Kicked.	AtomicKitten	Jun 2015	#439
.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2015	#440
Unrec	Yuugal	Aug 2015	#442
Let us not forget this was posted, rec'd and allowed to stand by a jury.	cui bono	Nov 2015	#447
k/r	AtomicKitten	Feb 2016	#449
He was more than good enough tonight!	cui bono	Feb 2016	#448
Epic fail.	Kall	Feb 2016	#451
Wow....	JonLeibowitz	Apr 2016	#456
Are you stalking me?	sheshe2	Apr 2016	#457
No interest...we have barely interacted. I simply saw a link to this post elsewhere on DU.	JonLeibowitz	Apr 2016	#458
Yes you are stalking.	sheshe2	Apr 2016	#459
I found it an interesting post on a message board. My mistake.	JonLeibowitz	Apr 2016	#460
Lol.	sheshe2	Apr 2016	#461
If this post embarrasses you now, you shouldn't have posted it.	snowy owl	Apr 2016	#462

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:49 PM

peacebird (14,195 posts)

Not Good Enough, Bernie

1. .

316. Epic flame bait OP indeed.

2. .

3. A ever ending battle it seems...

4. Did you really have to go back to 2007 to find something Hillary said on race?

6. And?

10. Like her war vote? No, wait, that's not right...

13. bernie marched in 63 for civil rights

36. Ha!

65. you are the one posting an op implying bernie is not cool on civil rights

81. Again, I am a fan of facts so here is the section you referenced

230. Hillary has the blood of 1,000,000+ dead Iraqi civilians dripping from her hands. How

258. I see the same crowd all posting the same type of posts

258. I see the same crowd all posting the same type of posts

275. There are things I like about Hillary and things I detest.

322. Just to add to what you have, it's also worth pointing out that military members from

446. However,members of the military are, on average, better educated than the civilian population.

443. There have not been 1M killed in Iraq. Not even close. Bullshit number

444. Just ignore The Lancet and Johns Hopkins U. Clearly u know more

445. Apparently I do. Most RELIABLE studies show maybe HALF that number. Including Johns Hopkins.

453. Excess deaths

455. I said it was the worst foreign policy decision ever.

37. Just for factual stuff

126. You refer to her beginning to find out at age and her AA mentors.

149. Maybe the Op was to obtuse for some.

277. At least one Factual Error in your post

296. I think one term as prez of College Republicans, not Goldwater Girls, since

452. So being a Republican then was all great once the Goldwater election was over?

454. Why are you directing all this at me, nine months after my very brief correction?

5. Yeah, his economic agenda would ravage minority communities. STOP BERNIE before it's too late!

134. +10

7. K'n'R

8. I'm afraid to even ask what the story is behind that second picture.

24. Well, I can't see any of them, so I had to post blind on this one. n/t

44. Can you see this one, fresh~

61. I can see it if I use my mouse to get View Image but it won't post. Disgusting, insane, dangerous.

146. For one brief moment...

9. An Inner shade of Blue

11. Sanders "makes zero mention of any of the issues that burden people of color in this country"?

12. You Seem... Worried... Interesting...

15. I am not worried at all, WillyT.

17. That's Good To Know... Let The Campaign Proceed...

20. ...

227. no, you just post some of the most repugnant stuff available

14. .

16. Absurd.

109. "A young Bernie Sanders speaks to civil rights activists at the University of Chicago."

132. +5

162. Actually it was Martin Luther King's Dream.

177. Sweet. And here's a quote for you and Nancy...

301. That's interesting--You're saying Bernie ran a photoshopped pic

307. That's a keeper!

18. Consider, too, that much of D.C. itself was built by slaves.

22. Lol~ Great pic!!!!!!!1!!!!!1

19. You're really trying to associate sanders with that picture from the Chicago police

29. Who is Mags?

35. Okay ty saw that one coming a mile away.

89. Excellent news -

104. It is, but I'll kinda miss Cali shooting her down at every turn.

229. I won't miss her at all. not a scrap. not an iota.

280. you're being too generous

236. None of the five posts were all that bad

242. hahahahahahahahahah

317. Is it ok to +1 that?

116. A previously banned troll, trolling anew, when not on time out.

318. Yeah ...where is Sid the troll hunter when ya need him.

74. I knew Mags, but who is Sidney? (n/t)

78. WOW! Who'da thunk?

83. Oh goodie. The Pledge Queen. (n/t)

84. 89 days ago today she had 3 hidden. I can hardly wait!

91. I imagine she's already back, but much more toned-down.

97. MDearest was my first thought actually... n/t

99. TOTALLY unrelated

118. And will get another time out in about a week, no doubt.

220. Exactly.

265. Absentee landlords seldom take good care of their properties. n/t

262. VR sent me a PM today for some reason, in response to a Sanders post of mine

309. Aren't we the lucky ones though? That makes three of us

82. "<=== For you, Sid, buddy."