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Tue May 26, 2015, 02:48 PM

 

‘No Gays Allowed’ Law Set To Pass In Virginia

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/13/no-gays-allowed-law-set-to-pass-in-virginia/

The state of Virginia is set to pass a law which would allow anti-LGBT business owners to bar gay people, purely on the basis of their sexuality.

The Virginia Bill states that anyone seeking or holding a business license from the state of Virginia in the state can refuse service or entry to gay people, on the grounds it “would violate the religious or moral convictions of such person with respect to same-sex “marriage” or homosexual behavior.”

This would make it lawful for LGBT people to be barred from hotels, restaurants, schools, hospitals, and any other premise where a good or service is exchanged by someone who dislikes their sexual orientation:...

The toxic bill has been spearheaded by Virginia’s virulently anti-gay lawmaker Bob Marshall. You might remember him for his fruitless effort to exclude gay people from the state’s National Guard, or his 2012 attempt to block the appointment of a judge on the grounds that the nominee was gay, saying that “sodomy is not a civil right.”


So Virginia's not for lovers?

edit: Of course McAuliffe will veto this piece of trash. Hopefully he will shred it and throw the confetti onto the House of Delegates' floor.

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KamaAina May 2015 OP
ohheckyeah May 2015 #1
KamaAina May 2015 #2
ohheckyeah May 2015 #16
FSogol May 2015 #8
appalachiablue May 2015 #9
appalachiablue May 2015 #12
ohheckyeah May 2015 #17
awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #85
mountain grammy May 2015 #18
ohheckyeah May 2015 #19
mountain grammy May 2015 #21
ohheckyeah May 2015 #22
vkkv May 2015 #28
ohheckyeah May 2015 #29
RKP5637 May 2015 #57
onenote May 2015 #46
RKP5637 May 2015 #56
dgibby May 2015 #79
RKP5637 May 2015 #80
Ancashina May 2015 #64
Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #67
Agschmid May 2015 #71
elleng May 2015 #3
NuclearDem May 2015 #4
uppityperson May 2015 #5
RKP5637 May 2015 #58
HockeyMom May 2015 #6
rocktivity May 2015 #7
dhol82 May 2015 #50
RKP5637 May 2015 #59
immoderate May 2015 #10
TeamPooka May 2015 #11
n2doc May 2015 #13
onenote May 2015 #14
KamaAina May 2015 #15
mountain grammy May 2015 #20
Bluenorthwest May 2015 #23
mahatmakanejeeves May 2015 #25
Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #24
onenote May 2015 #33
Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #35
RKP5637 May 2015 #60
Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #75
rock May 2015 #26
MADem May 2015 #42
arcane1 May 2015 #47
MADem May 2015 #48
muntrv May 2015 #27
KamaAina May 2015 #36
Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #39
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KansDem May 2015 #30
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valerief May 2015 #32
LynneSin May 2015 #34
MADem May 2015 #44
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shenmue May 2015 #49
RKP5637 May 2015 #51
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Adrahil May 2015 #54
KamaAina May 2015 #66
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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 02:50 PM

1. It's really

embarrassing to live in Virginia.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #1)

Tue May 26, 2015, 02:53 PM

2. I'm a native of Maryland.

 

As, apparently, is Nelson Muntz.



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Response to KamaAina (Reply #2)

Tue May 26, 2015, 05:39 PM

16. LOL

That's cold.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #1)

Tue May 26, 2015, 03:23 PM

8. Don't worry, McAuliffe has been burning thru pens vetoing GOP bills.

He vetoed 6 bills live on a call-in radio show, just to piss the freepers off.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #1)

Tue May 26, 2015, 03:49 PM

9. It's becoming quite bad. You might remember this from a few days ago, May 21 (sorry)




Joe Morrissey, 57 year old former VA Delegate, legislator and Democrat with his 19 year old receptionist Myrna Pride and their 9 week old son Chase.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10812269


It's not some bad TV Mini Series from the '90s, it's life- jes' like way back!

Tom Jefferson was 46 and his slave Sally Hemings 14 when he seduced her in Paris. She was his wife's- Martha Wayles' half sister, the 3rd generation of Hemings concubine slave women and 3/4 white.





19th cent. Portrait of Col. John Wayles Jefferson, a grandson of Sally Hemings and Thomas Jefferson through their son Eston Hemings.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #9)

Tue May 26, 2015, 04:12 PM

12. P.S. Morrissey last year pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of contributing to the

delinquency of a minor for relations with Ms. Pride, then 17. Felonies charges were denied. It's in the DU post.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #12)

Tue May 26, 2015, 05:45 PM

17. OMG

that's ridiculous.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #9)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:57 PM

85. That is sick on so many levels. nt

 

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #1)

Tue May 26, 2015, 05:47 PM

18. The haters are everywhere..

It's embarrassing to live in America.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #18)

Tue May 26, 2015, 05:51 PM

19. I can't

really disagree with that. It's sad.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #19)

Tue May 26, 2015, 05:57 PM

21. It is sad, especially when I read a post like NanceGreggs'

and see, that in some countries, people are treated like human beings.

In case you missed it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026727625

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #21)

Tue May 26, 2015, 06:01 PM

22. That's a great

post. To make things worse, my deductible went from $1000 to $4000. I don''t get it. The ACA was supposed to be affordable.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #22)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:56 AM

28. A friend, and smart, successful businessman in OR told me his health insurance went waaaaaaay down!

 

Signed up for ACA:

His cost went from 579.00 monthly down to less than 200 bucks!

Successful retailer, owns two houses in Bend.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #28)

Wed May 27, 2015, 12:20 PM

29. The monthly premium is $332

which isn't too bad but the deductible is killing us. I'm unable to work because of a stroke, but I'm far from stupid. The deductible is in addition to the premiums, expenses not covered, and copays which means we're going over $10,000 this year. We don't have an extra $10,000. That's not affordable.

I don't live in OR I live in Virginia.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #18)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:03 PM

57. It is, it's epidemic, this country feeds on hatred and hostilities. n/t

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #1)

Wed May 27, 2015, 06:21 PM

46. I'm not embarassed given that the legislature killed the bill in committee

Which puts Virginia ahead of some other states.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #1)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:00 PM

56. And so sad, because it's such a beautiful state. I used to love Virginia, did a lot of hiking and

camping. I have friends there that tell me in some areas the crazies with religion have really invaded.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #56)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:34 AM

79. Did you

ever make it to Douthat State Park? If not, I highly recommend you do. It's beautiful and only about 12 miles from where I am. It was built by the Conservation Corps and still has the original log cabins, which were built from the trees taken down to make room for the lake. Autumn is the best time to be there- we're in the mountains, so the fall colors are beautiful.

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Response to dgibby (Reply #79)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:39 AM

80. No, I didn't. I was usuallly on Old Rag Mountain and Priest Mountain. It sounds

beautiful. I really loved Virginia! I'm a zillion miles away now.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #1)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:54 PM

64. This article is from January 13 and is out of date

This Virginia General Assembly ended months ago. This bill died in the House. See legislative history here http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?151+sum+HB1414

Virginia is not about to pass this anti-gay legislation.

Virginia is no more embarrassing than any other state. Every state has its embarrassing politicians and their politics.

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Response to Ancashina (Reply #64)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:33 PM

67. The OP admitted down thread that he neglected to check the date

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Response to Ancashina (Reply #64)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:06 AM

71. Yup.

Welcome to DU.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 02:59 PM

3. Guess he/they missed Lawrence v. Texas,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas, wherein the United States Supreme Court, in the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidated sodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue in the 1986 case Bowers v. Hardwick, where it upheld a challenged Georgia statute and did not find a constitutional protection of sexual privacy.

Lawrence explicitly overruled Bowers, holding that it had viewed the liberty interest too narrowly. The Court held that intimate consensual sexual conduct was part of the liberty protected by substantive due process under the 14th Amendment. Lawrence invalidated similar laws throughout the United States that criminalized sodomy between consenting adults acting in private, whatever the sex of the participants.[1]

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 03:02 PM

4. Right, because it worked so well for Indiana.

 

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 03:02 PM

5. wtf is wrong with some people? Why even try this? It will be nice when this is no longer an issue.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #5)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:08 PM

58. Some people thrive on persecution, prejudices and hostilities. IMO it's sexual gratification for

for them, mental masturbation.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 03:07 PM

6. Oldie but Goodie from Marv Albert Trial

Virginia is for Lovers but only if you are straight, married, having missionary intercourse to make babies.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 03:13 PM

7. It will be vetoed? Too bad

it would have been fun to see what would have happened when a hetero who was denied service on the grounds of "looking" gay.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #7)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:28 PM

50. You mean like Michelle Bachmann's husband?

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #50)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:12 PM

59. Michelle Bachmann's husband AKA The Poster man-child for Gaydar!

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 03:52 PM

10. Freepers are grandstanding because they know it will be vetoed.

 

It prevents them getting primaried from their right, the direction that counts in a primary.

--imm

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 03:53 PM

11. They use the word gay but want to add the word black and a few others too. nt

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 04:23 PM

13. More Focus on the family garbage

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 04:34 PM

14. FFS -- this is a story from January that was wrong when it was published.

The bill referenced in the story was never "set to pass" -- in fact, it died in committee in late January.

See: http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/01/29/va-house-subcommittee-vetoes-conscience-clause-bill/

Which leaves me wondering why, at this point in time, the OP posted this story, rather than one about the bill being killed?


Sheesh....

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Response to onenote (Reply #14)

Tue May 26, 2015, 04:47 PM

15. Because he forgot to check the date on the story

 

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Response to onenote (Reply #14)

Tue May 26, 2015, 05:53 PM

20. Thanks for the update..

that date thing is pretty important, along with a lot of other considerations. That's why I'm reluctant to post anything, and when I do run across something to post, it's already here. Great minds think alike.

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Response to onenote (Reply #14)

Tue May 26, 2015, 06:07 PM

23. Here's a story from November that explains where this toxic thinking comes from.

 

Vatican Strengthens Ties with Evangelicals and Mormons Against Gay Marriage
"The presence of American evangelicals and the LDS Church was particularly notable. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, and Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, each gave speeches, and representatives from the Heritage Foundation and the Family Research Council in Washington attended. President Henry Eyring of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ first presidency spoke and Elder Tom Perry of the LDS’s Quorum of the Twelve also joined. In the United States, this trio of faiths has worked together to stand against the government’s Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate, but it was the first time they were coming together at the Vatican to talk about marriage.
Pope Francis did not spearhead the colloquium, as many casual observers might think. It was organized and led by German Cardinal Gerhard Müller, a strong conservative voice at the Pope’s Synod on the Family last month. Müller is the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican group that sponsored the event. Still, Pope Francis gave an opening address to attendees, in which he affirmed the Church’s teaching that children have a right to a mother and a father."
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

It's a virulent strain of bigotry being carefully nurtured by a large segment of the mainstream faith community. Note the Vatican invited FRC, NOM, etc, Tony Perkins, Maggie Gallagher...
This is why this bullshit keeps coming up. Straight religious people are far too willing to dismiss it.

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Response to onenote (Reply #14)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:03 AM

25. I was wondering how that escaped my notice.

Only one person could have come up with that:

Bob Marshall Sponsors Anti-Same-Sex Marriage Conscience Clause Bill

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:29 AM

24. Theses dominionists are like a nasty virus spreading rapidly.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #24)

Wed May 27, 2015, 04:54 PM

33. Fortunately, in this case it didn't spread and the legislation died in committee

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Response to onenote (Reply #33)

Wed May 27, 2015, 05:13 PM

35. Thank you, good news.

They're hateful legislation needs to go down in flames of Armageddon.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #24)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:15 PM

60. Even more than that, it's mental illness now recognizable by the numbers. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #60)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:41 AM

75. That it is, RKP!

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:11 AM

26. Now just how will they know that a person is gay?

Seriously. I mean something that will stick up in a court of law of course.

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Response to rock (Reply #26)

Wed May 27, 2015, 06:14 PM

42. THANK you!! That was my FIRST thought!! A written test? A declaration?

Will they go by the "Huummmmmmph...yew LOOOK gay!!!!!!" method?

I just don't see how they can enforce such a boneheaded and bigoted concept....

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Response to MADem (Reply #42)

Wed May 27, 2015, 06:39 PM

47. And would the burden of proof be on the person denied service?

 

It's crazy all the way around. This over-emphasis on picking on gay people WILL backfire!

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #47)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:59 PM

48. I'm glad it died in committee (as a DUer updating this contributed) but it's bad that it even got

proposed....! I mean, really--whassamatta wit' people???

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:18 AM

27. How will the business owners know the customers are gay? Do they have a gaydar?

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Response to muntrv (Reply #27)

Wed May 27, 2015, 05:16 PM

36. They have the Frank Fontana Gay-O-Meter

 

An old episode of Murphy Brown centered around everyone at FYI speculating on whether the new guy was gay. Finally Murphy got fed up with it and yelled at Frank, "based on what? The Frank Fontana Gay-O-Meter?"

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #36)

Wed May 27, 2015, 06:10 PM

39. That show was so well written that it's stood the test of time...

Loved it, too!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #39)

Wed May 27, 2015, 06:11 PM

40. Alas, it's only rerun on the obscure REELZ channel.

 

Mom and Republican Stepdad get it at the Jersey Shore, but not in Manhattan! As for me in San Jose, well, fuhgeddaboutit!

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #40)

Wed May 27, 2015, 06:16 PM

43. That's such a waste!

There are so many times that I can find nothing to watch on TV, despite having a hundred channels to choose from. I often find myself tuning into the old stuff, better than the tripe that passes for entertainment these days. Am I getting old?

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #43)

Wed May 27, 2015, 06:19 PM

45. You and me both.

 

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Wed May 27, 2015, 06:12 PM

41. What do you mean by the normal gay?

 

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 03:03 PM

30. Okay, I have to ask these two questions again...

1) How do these business owners know that a customer is gay?
2) Does this law require employees to honor the "rights" of the business owner by refusing to serve gays even if doing so doesn't violate their own "rights"?


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Response to KansDem (Reply #30)

Wed May 27, 2015, 04:03 PM

31. Two criteria for admittance

Either one of these would get a hater-in-question into one of these these joints:

1. Patrons wearing an "I hate gays" t-shirt, cap, or a Rick Santorum for President badge
2. Footage showing them as active participants in a Westboro Baptist Church funeral protest

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 04:27 PM

32. Half of Congress would be banned from Virginia! nt

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 05:05 PM

34. Can I put a sign out there that says 'No Breeders who fondle their little sisters'?



For me I know children are safe around LGBT folks. But lately it seems like Christian Fundamentalists one could be putting their kids at risk having them near Fundies.

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #34)

Wed May 27, 2015, 06:19 PM

44. Only if you change "fondle" to "molest," in the interests of accuracy.

Fondle can have a benign meaning. Molest, OTOH, does not.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 05:26 PM

38. Any business that wants to use such a law should be REQUiRED to post notice of intent front&center

On their door, website, and any ads. I, for one, would love to know who NOT to give my money to.

If such a law passes without that required notification by businesses, I would be forced to avoid all that post the fish symbol.....

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:16 PM

49. Arrrrrrrrh



Boo. Bad!

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:33 PM

51. How will they be detected? Tattoos on the forehead. Fuck, I'm glad I don't live in VA. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #51)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:53 PM

53. Like this would be my guess...

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #53)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:57 PM

55. That's what they seem to want! Hatred never dies and is born again. Same type of

people, just different times, different names, many hiding under the banner of religion.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:49 PM

52. Set to does not mean it did, did it? Horrific the hate people have for others they do not

Even know...mind numbing.

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #52)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:48 PM

69. This legislation was never "set" to be enacted. It died in committee

The story was misleading.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:55 PM

54. Once more: the "story" is WRONG!!!!

 

This bill died in committee MONTHS ago.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #54)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:03 PM

66. No, the story is old.

 

Some meatball forgot to check the date.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #66)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:46 PM

68. Old and inaccurate when written

insofar as it claimed Virginia was about to pass this legislation. It was never close to happening.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:16 PM

61. So Bob Marshall is behind this

How long till it's uncovered that he's a closeted self hating homosexual like all the other virulent anti-gay crusaders always turn out to be.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:17 PM

62. This is not true...

The Virginia General Assembly ended months ago. This Bill died in the Virginia House. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?151+sum+HB1414

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:28 PM

63. once again, I am going to ask, "HOW IN THE HELL CAN THEY TELL???"

is the entire lgbtq community supposed to register and wear pink triangles? what level of ugly hatred does one have to descend to in order to, not only FEEL this kind of hatred and bigotry, but proudly sponsor it into law???

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:02 PM

65. "So Virginia's not for lovers?"

 

Right after 9/11 one of the first news accounts of a Muslim being beaten to death was in Virginia.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 12:08 AM

70. Fine, I don't want their business either.

"If" I had a business in Virginia, I would proudly hang my sigh.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:10 AM

72. Oh no, not again! This is so disturbing!

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:31 AM

73. That's sickening and stupid.. it worked out so well for Indiana and Pence. And, yes McAuliffe will

Veto.

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Response to Cha (Reply #73)

Thu May 28, 2015, 01:53 AM

74. These laws need to get challenged in SCOTUS ASAP.

They are pretty much the exact opposite of freedom.

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Response to Cha (Reply #73)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:03 AM

77. He didn't have to. Lawmakers killed the bill 4 MONTHS AGO.

The bill didn't even get out of Marshall's subcommittee.

Not sure why this keeps coming up?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/30/us-virginia-lawmakers-kill-bill-that-would-allow-anti-gay-discrimination/

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 08:55 AM

76. I bet Bob Marshall is Gay. Me thinks he doth protest too much

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:04 AM

78. That never even became a bill. It was axed by a subcommitte on Jan 30, 2015. n/t

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:40 AM

81. Why does it violate their religious views?

Where does the Bible say never to deal with gay people? Or in fact, any sinners? (as they see it). And why don't they also refuse to deal with fornicators? And adulterers? And criminals? One would think those people violated their religious standards too. Yet they don't make a big deal of that.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:59 AM

82. Well, actually, it's news to some, but sodomy IS a civil right.

So is cunnilingus and fellatio and masturbation and the missionary position. (All of it between consenting adults)

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 11:49 AM

83. then you hets need to knock off your back room and nite time forays

think you hets are so perfect ? , got another thing comeing .

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 04:37 PM

84. At a minimum I hope they are required to prominently post their LGBT ban

 

so that members of the gay community will know before walking into an establishment and assuming equal treatment.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 09:32 PM

86. Why is a six month old story that has a deceptive, untrue headline still on the DU front page?

 

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Response to Leontius (Reply #86)

Thu May 28, 2015, 11:09 PM

87. Because folks like you keep kicking it.

 

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