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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Mon May 25, 2015, 12:44 PM May 2015

Hillary Clinton: I learned the meaning of Memorial Day from my father, Hugh

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During World War II, my dad was a chief petty officer at the Great Lakes Naval Station outside of Chicago, responsible for training thousands of sailors before they went to the Pacific Theater. Sometimes, my dad accompanied his trainees to the West Coast before they shipped out. He told me later that it broke his heart to know that some of them would never come home.

When my dad died twenty-two years ago, many sailors who had served under him sent me letters and photographs. My favorite photo shows my dad in his uniform smiling broadly. To me, he looked as handsome as any 1940s movie star. It meant a great deal to me that these men took time to honor my dad, the same way my dad taught us to honor those who fell in the line of duty.

Today, I hope we’ll all take a moment to remember the many men and women who gave their lives to protect our country. These brave Americans knew that freedom is earned by each new generation.

My thoughts today are with those families whose sons and daughters sacrificed so much so that all our children can be safe. I hope all of us will honor their memories with our own service to our country, and to each other.

Thank you,

Hillary

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Hillary Clinton: I learned the meaning of Memorial Day from my father, Hugh (Original Post) onehandle May 2015 OP
K & R Iliyah May 2015 #1
She is so classy! yeoman6987 May 2015 #2
LOLLLLLL FlatBaroque May 2015 #4
Whatever. yeoman6987 May 2015 #5
It says everything about those posters who would use Memorial Day as an opportunity to snark. nt MADem May 2015 #23
Yep. yeoman6987 May 2015 #25
I rather doubt Senator Sanders would approve. MADem May 2015 #35
I do believe you just hit the nail on the head. sheshe2 May 2015 #79
It's kinda like what Ghandi said about Jesus....! MADem May 2015 #83
Well ain't that the truth, MADem! sheshe2 May 2015 #85
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #46
It is. I..... Enthusiast May 2015 #45
It is.... I ? yeoman6987 May 2015 #52
Hee-hee - lol 840high May 2015 #80
Kid picture of Hillary Clinton! treestar May 2015 #3
A Lovely message. leftofcool May 2015 #6
''the many men and women who gave their lives to protect our country.'' Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #7
Revolting, from this serial warmonger. woo me with science May 2015 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten May 2015 #60
..... sheshe2 May 2015 #87
I like Sanders very much... but far too many of his supporters act as petulant children... LanternWaste May 2015 #101
+1 BainsBane May 2015 #105
Ahh, you whine a lot. nt Logical May 2015 #109
Hillary voted for WWII? onehandle May 2015 #10
I don't believe she was born yet./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #11
lol, exactly. And maybe they also don't remember that since a couple short R B Garr May 2015 #12
Memorial day is for Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #14
No shite huh, but but but its HRC's thread and let's go negative Iliyah May 2015 #17
Do you have friends or acquaintances that served in Iraq and are suffering? Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #19
How do you pretend to even KNOW that? Do you chat on the phone, and does she tell you about MADem May 2015 #28
I had a cousin who died there. hrmjustin May 2015 #48
And again the Third Way pretends to miss the point, feigns utter inability to understand! woo me with science May 2015 #16
You are being mocked for your inappropriate "contribution" to a Memorial Day thread. MADem May 2015 #22
Oh, that one hit a nerve. The swarm has been called. woo me with science May 2015 #34
Swarm my ass--you're part of the "swarm," in case you didn't notice. MADem May 2015 #38
you can tell... quickesst May 2015 #54
Agree with you completely. I doubt he'd have them, and MADem May 2015 #56
agree, but yet... quickesst May 2015 #62
+1. nt sufrommich May 2015 #67
Talking about dishonesty, you have links to Fox News and want to talk about honesty? R B Garr May 2015 #51
All Bernie supporters link to Faux Noise leftofcool May 2015 #64
Yes, you're right. One of the first links I picked was right from Fox-- R B Garr May 2015 #69
Where? Post it now. woo me with science May 2015 #73
At least you admit you don't even know what's in your links. R B Garr May 2015 #74
Still lying and can't produce a link. But you succeeded in smearing and diverting. woo me with science May 2015 #76
You've smeared and diverted this thread. Obviously you don't check your own links: R B Garr May 2015 #88
Still lying. That link is from the Daily Mail. woo me with science May 2015 #89
Well, well, I think you just got figured out. It's Bill Hemmer, Fox News R B Garr May 2015 #92
You've just admitted you don't even know what's in your links. R B Garr May 2015 #93
I will believe this when you produce the list okasha May 2015 #94
He's a blue-waller. OilemFirchen May 2015 #95
Yes! Haven't heard that term before, but that's great. R B Garr May 2015 #98
No, I"m calling out your lie. woo me with science May 2015 #86
This is truly laughable. I think your schtick is just to get posts hidden. R B Garr May 2015 #91
And now you post a deliberate lie and smear attempt. woo me with science May 2015 #72
woo me with foxnews R B Garr May 2015 #113
CO-SIGNED n/t FlatBaroque May 2015 #57
And your nastiness is predictable! leftofcool May 2015 #63
Why are you lying above about the links? woo me with science May 2015 #77
You've supplied no pictures of war-ravaged corpses from the bombing campaign over Kosovo LanternWaste May 2015 #102
The outrage, as it often is, is so selective! nt MADem May 2015 #108
He even calls other Sanders supporters Third Way BainsBane May 2015 #106
I'm starting to think a lot of this stuff is "performance art." Lousy performance art, but MADem May 2015 #110
I think that piece speaks to the problem of calling oneself a socialist BainsBane May 2015 #112
And even worse yet... 99Forever May 2015 #41
What I find most illustrative of the corporate manipulation here woo me with science May 2015 #59
Corporate manipulation BainsBane May 2015 #107
squawking about third way on a thread about memorial day JI7 May 2015 #47
All you can do is consider the source. MADem May 2015 #58
"On Memorial Day" woo me with science May 2015 #82
Are you refering to members as the third way? hrmjustin May 2015 #50
and memorial day means what? Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #21
Totally uncalled for. This is a day to honor those who lost their lives. Would that everyone... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #13
Hey I have family that did Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #15
The best way to honor the fallen MissDeeds May 2015 #18
+10000000000 woo me with science May 2015 #36
Disrespect. But expected. JaneyVee May 2015 #27
No, the disrespect is in policies like this from corporate politicians. woo me with science May 2015 #39
You read my mind - think of the lives we could've saved if Hillary & her ilk had done their due diligence & used a little common sense. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #53
Beautiful! MoonRiver May 2015 #8
What a charming picture! nt MADem May 2015 #20
My father also served in the Navy in WW2, as did one of his brothers while the others went Army Bluenorthwest May 2015 #24
My dad was a language translator on the front lines in Europe. B Calm May 2015 #26
"freedom is earned by each new generation" PowerToThePeople May 2015 #29
I've seen friends rot away with pain for years because these glorious wars Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #37
Today is for remembering those who died while serving. KMOD May 2015 #40
They died all of them Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #44
I wish the lesson had been MannyGoldstein May 2015 #30
My old man contacted malaria and was blinded in one eye by shrapnel in the North African Campaign. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #31
Her father who? jberryhill May 2015 #32
I have to question what Hillary really "learned" about the ultimate sacrifice. Martin Eden May 2015 #33
Wonderful messege for Memorial Day. nt sufrommich May 2015 #42
Cluster bombs are not good for children, Hillary. woo me with science May 2015 #43
and its primary victims are children. Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #61
That's Vietnam. okasha May 2015 #65
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #66
Thank you for so clearly defining the level of your argument. okasha May 2015 #68
War is not your Hillary patriotic bull dump on her father's shit Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #70
Wrong again. n/t okasha May 2015 #71
How does one person vote to keep that! hrmjustin May 2015 #78
Someone who's okay okasha May 2015 #90
And it's Napalm. OilemFirchen May 2015 #96
.... 840high May 2015 #81
It's a great picture. LuvLoogie May 2015 #49
I never knew this about Hillary lookatme May 2015 #55
I look at her deeds and take her words with a truckload of salt. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #75
Guess those who would rather trash talk than giving it up on this day doesn't Thinkingabout May 2015 #84
Great OP Gothmog May 2015 #97
Where is this from? (nt) Skinner May 2015 #99
The text is from an email I received from Hillary's campaign on Monday. onehandle May 2015 #100
Hmm. I didn't get this email. Skinner May 2015 #103
'Paid For By Hillary For America' onehandle May 2015 #114
Who could imagine one little girl could grow up to kill millions BainsBane May 2015 #104
All I will say is that if some of you talked to each other ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #111

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. It says everything about those posters who would use Memorial Day as an opportunity to snark. nt
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:21 PM
May 2015

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. I rather doubt Senator Sanders would approve.
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:53 PM
May 2015

Which, of course, leads me to wonder why anyone purporting to support a candidate like Senator Sanders would do or say things that make people think that this candidate's supporters don't understand his perspective on the campaign process.

I think if you support a candidate, you should support that candidate--not engage in trash-talking others. Senator Sanders has SAID AS MUCH. I guess some of those who purport to support his candidacy don't want to listen to him.

And if the default mode is to trash talk others, it says a lot--none of it good--about how deep or sincere the support for the preferred candidate is.

I like Senator Sanders a lot. He's a nice guy, a kind person, with good values. I find a few--not all, but a few--of his "supporters" here on DU a bit problematic, though. I don't think he'd say ANY of the things some of these "supporters" are saying. And I put "supporters" in "scare quotes" because while I think some of them actually do support Senator Sanders, and are being swept up in a tide of partisan enthusiasm, and are following along when louder, more aggressive posters engage in bashing, rudeness, context-free association (sounds nicer than "prevarication&quot , and utter bullshitting.

I think some of those "supporters" have a completely different agenda in mind, that has as a goal a Rubio or Rand in the White House. I hope the admins will look into that, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

The conduct of the Clinton bashers in this thread says so much about them. They should really listen to THEIR candidate. The fact that they don't is rather sadly telling.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
83. It's kinda like what Ghandi said about Jesus....!
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:00 PM
May 2015
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Response to MADem (Reply #23)

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
7. ''the many men and women who gave their lives to protect our country.''
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:29 PM
May 2015

For a stupid war you voted for
what a bunch of jingoistic crap................

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
9. Revolting, from this serial warmonger.
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:43 PM
May 2015

Serially advocating the for-profit warmongering of the MIC should have disqualified her from any consideration for the presidency on Day One. And we have not only these corrupt, bloody alliances, but an entire filthy record of Third Way policy agenda, representing the One Percent rather than the 99 percent, and dishonestly pandering to voters by claiming she supports policies she has historically opposed.

We have a grave, systemic problem in this country. It is problem of filthy corporate money buying our elections and our political candidates. Hillary Clinton is the poster candidate for this problem. Her record is that of a Third Way, corporate-purchased politician AND a neocon.

Enough lying. Enough corruption. Enough is enough.

It is the civic duty of American citizens to speak honestly about the monied corruption in our system and to advocate against purchased candidates and for actual representatives of the people. We can't afford four more years of corporate predation.


The Warmongering Record of Hillary Clinton "I urged him to bomb..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026219783

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Hillary defends Israel on Gaza carpet bombing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025274041

Hillary tacks right of Obama on foreign policy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024707589

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

Hillary Clinton Praises George W. Bush and the Art of Compromise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026394878

Hillary Clinton's role in right-wing Honduran coup and aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

Hillary Clinton's Horrifying Iraq War Vote Still Matters.
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/hillary-clintons-iraq-war-vote-still-matters-9737

Secret recordings show US military and a Democratic congressman distrusted Hillary Clinton on Libya (lying, manipulating intelligence)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Hillary Clinton Blasts ‘Unfair’ World Reaction Over Gaza, Cites Anti-Semitism As Factor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025364869

Obama didn't go as far as Hillary now says she wanted to go in smashing Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251375376

Hand in Hand With Kissinger: A Review of Hillary Clinton’s Review
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016102317

Hillary Clinton Serves Us KISSINGER KOOL-AID
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025504036

MJ - Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025493748


The Clinton Dynasty's Horrific Legacy: More Drug War, More Prisons
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/clinton-dynasty-horrific-legacy-more-drug-war-more-prisons

Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Hillary pushes for increases in H1B visas and outsourcing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6405669

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761

Hillary Clinton Cheerleads for Biotech and GMOs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112772326

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

More from Hillary Clinton's State Department: The fascistic TISA (Trade in Services Agreement)
http://m.thenation.com/blog/180572-grassroots-labor-uprising-your-bank

How Hillary Clinton's State Department sold fracking to the world
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251376647

Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101695441

On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
http://m.thenation.com/article/180564-nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar

Corporate Warfare: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

The Bill and Hillary Clinton Money Machine Taps Corporate Cash
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025189257

Hillary's Privatization Plan: TISA kept more secret than the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014829628

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Some of Hillary Clinton's statements on Social Security.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379279

Hillary Clinton's GOLDMAN SACHS PROBLEM.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025049343

Ring of Fire: Hillary Clinton - The Perfect Republican Candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209285

How Americans Need Answers From Hillary Clinton On TPP, KXL, Wall St & More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017181611

Hillary Clinton Left Out By Liberal Donor Club
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025809071

Why Wall Street Loves Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016106575

Hillary Clinton: Neocon-lite
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101684986

Interactive graphic of Hillary Clinton's connections to the Forbes top 400 (Follow link in post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025824981#post9










Response to woo me with science (Reply #9)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
101. I like Sanders very much... but far too many of his supporters act as petulant children...
Tue May 26, 2015, 12:58 PM
May 2015

I like Sanders very much... but far too many of his passionate and overly-emotional supporters act as petulant and peevish children pretending to be clever.

Not that you would ever waste time with pretense.

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
12. lol, exactly. And maybe they also don't remember that since a couple short
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:50 PM
May 2015

elections ago, service in the United States Military was considered a plus for a presidential hopeful, although it may have been an unspoken advantage, it was a big asset.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
14. Memorial day is for
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:58 PM
May 2015

Memorial Day is a federal holiday in the United States for remembering the people who died while serving in the country's armed forces.
Period ............... all of them not just the civil war or ww2

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
19. Do you have friends or acquaintances that served in Iraq and are suffering?
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:12 PM
May 2015

I do................ she doesn't

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. How do you pretend to even KNOW that? Do you chat on the phone, and does she tell you about
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:36 PM
May 2015

all her friends and acquaintances?


woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
16. And again the Third Way pretends to miss the point, feigns utter inability to understand!
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:07 PM
May 2015

Oh, my. *That* one was on a par with the posts pretending to misinterpret saying Hillary Clinton is "in bed with banks" as a salacious comment on her sexual life!



Yep, that's about the level of honesty we have come to expect from the Third Way talking points. That's the level of utter desperation and absurdity we face from those desperate to avoid an indefensible record.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. You are being mocked for your inappropriate "contribution" to a Memorial Day thread.
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:19 PM
May 2015

Since you so plainly missed that point, I guess you don't have to feign any inabilities.

Anytime the phrase "Third Way" is used as a slam or insult, it can be safely inferred that the user of the term has no substantive contribution to make. Half of the people who use the term here have no idea what it means.

As for "level of honesty," whoever smelt it, dealt it.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
34. Oh, that one hit a nerve. The swarm has been called.
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:52 PM
May 2015

Sorry, MADem. Your nastiness here only compounds the embarrassment of the post.

Pretending that the poster said Bernie voted for WWII was an absurdly dishonest and diversionary response, typical (like the other actual example I gave) of what we've come to expect from the familiar message control crew here. That you appear on cue with ad hominem to attempt to divert from the obvious just underscores how accurate my observation was.

Here's the upshot. Here's the important lesson here:

People are sick of the game playing, the dishonesty, and the manipulation.

They've had enough of corrupt politicians who lie their way through campaigns claiming to stand for one thing but then doing exactly the opposite.

Sick of glossy campaign videos and slick ad campaigns, while craven politicians hide from voters' questions and stage carefully-crafted non-answers.

And sick of manipulative online messaging campaigns that rely on feigned stupidity and smear to divert from the corporate candidate's neocon record.


Representatives represent. Corporate politicians manipulate.

That's why we need Bernie, and why all the dispensing of manipulative corporate talking points only underscores why we need him even more.

He's honest. He's not a manipulator. He's not aligned with bloody, profiteering neocons.

And this nation is starved for honesty.

Bye bye.







MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. Swarm my ass--you're part of the "swarm," in case you didn't notice.
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:01 PM
May 2015

Who's trashing a positive thread here? You, and a few others.

Look in your mirror--and listen to your candidate. His behavior is both honest, and HONORABLE. Yours? Not so much.

He doesn't approve of your pissy behavior. Why don't you listen to him? Could it be he's not really your candidate? There's got to be a reason that you'd associate your uncivil behavior with him, and damage his reputation by association.

But hey--I'll TAKE that "Bye bye." Even though you've dumped your trash and run off, it's preferable to having you continue to engage in pointless, childish, exactly-what-Sanders-disavows, conduct.

quickesst

(6,294 posts)
54. you can tell...
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:25 PM
May 2015

....by the photo she was already plotting the takeover of america by the corporatists and warmongers.

Lot of people here, if they were any part of Bernie's official campaign wouldn't last two seconds after he heard or read the lowbrow, hate-filled shit they're spewing. Being the honorable man he is, he wouldn't want any part of it. Not just my opinion, but a simple truth.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. Agree with you completely. I doubt he'd have them, and
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:28 PM
May 2015

I doubt they'd survive the vetting process by his staff.

I think he's an honest and honorable guy -- he wouldn't go for Nixonian "dirty tricks" even if they're prosecuted in his name.

quickesst

(6,294 posts)
62. agree, but yet...
Mon May 25, 2015, 05:12 PM
May 2015

...they think that joking about messy hair an an opinion that he can't win is playing dirty politics. Go figure.

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
51. Talking about dishonesty, you have links to Fox News and want to talk about honesty?
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:16 PM
May 2015

Or are those the really "honest" Fox News clips, since they are anti-Hillary, of course.

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
69. Yes, you're right. One of the first links I picked was right from Fox--
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:58 PM
May 2015

Some of the gems: some people in the Pentagon don't like Hillary.

Who cares.

I can't imagine how important and accurate the rest of those links are.

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
74. At least you admit you don't even know what's in your links.
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:17 PM
May 2015

You really don't know the Fox News link? It was one of the first links I clicked on since I haven't bothered with your links because they are spammed everywhere.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
76. Still lying and can't produce a link. But you succeeded in smearing and diverting.
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:19 PM
May 2015

This is standard MO now for the corporate talking points machine.

And it is exactly why people are turning to Bernie.

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
88. You've smeared and diverted this thread. Obviously you don't check your own links:
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:13 PM
May 2015

Bill Hemmer from Fox News, oh, with a "Fox News Contributor."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Scroll down for the link to the video, or do you even bother to check what you post. I guess the spam links work because no one bothers to look through them, so you can flood threads over and over and then call people liars.

This is just a typical bullshit Fox News story, complete with inane editorializing such as "some people at the Pentagon don't like Hillary."

And look for the graphic that references "stupid stupid facts." What a freaking waste of time. And this was only one of your links I clicked and ironically one of the first.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
89. Still lying. That link is from the Daily Mail.
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:14 PM
May 2015

And it's *particularly* dishonest to attempt to discredit a story that is corroborated on a recording, by lying about the source I linked to. As though the source would even matter.

The tapes are real. You can't deal with that, so you turn to this manipulative dishonesty.

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
92. Well, well, I think you just got figured out. It's Bill Hemmer, Fox News
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:17 PM
May 2015

with a special "Fox News Contributor".

Bill Hemmer from Fox News, oh, with a "Fox News Contributor."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Scroll down for the link to the video, or do you even bother to check what you post. I guess the spam links work because no one bothers to look through them, so you can flood threads over and over and then call people liars.

This is just a typical bullshit Fox News story, complete with inane editorializing such as "some people at the Pentagon don't like Hillary."

And look for the graphic that references "stupid stupid facts." What a freaking waste of time. And this was only one of your links I clicked and ironically one of the first.

&feature=player_embedded

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
93. You've just admitted you don't even know what's in your links.
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:22 PM
May 2015

At least we figured that out. All I see you do is call people liars, and you don't even know what's in your links. I guess you get more posts hidden by getting people to defend themselves from the attacks.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
94. I will believe this when you produce the list
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:55 PM
May 2015

of Pentagon officers court-martialed, broken from their rank, and either imprisoned, dishonorably discharged or suddenly "retired" for participating in what amounts to an attempted coup.

Jayzus! Do you really think it's a good thing for the military to try to usurp the President's authority? To pursue a foreign policy independentof the civilian executive branch? Do you think at all about what you post?

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
98. Yes! Haven't heard that term before, but that's great.
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:33 PM
May 2015

I have to laugh he/she calls people "corporate posters." Even people who have been here for over 10 years and they ask a question about Bernie and they are "corporate posters." LOL.

And now it's obvious not to take the "blue wall" seriously, good observation.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
86. No, I"m calling out your lie.
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:08 PM
May 2015

That seems pretty obvious.

You can't link to the posts you pretend to gossip about with your accomplice, because you lied. You fabricated it.

That is what corporate politicians and their mouthpieces do. They lie, they smear, they divert, and they manipulate.

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
91. This is truly laughable. I think your schtick is just to get posts hidden.
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:15 PM
May 2015

Bill Hemmer from Fox News, oh, with a "Fox News Contributor."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Scroll down for the link to the video, or do you even bother to check what you post. I guess the spam links work because no one bothers to look through them, so you can flood threads over and over and then call people liars.

This is just a typical bullshit Fox News story, complete with inane editorializing such as "some people at the Pentagon don't like Hillary."

And look for the graphic that references "stupid stupid facts." What a freaking waste of time. And this was only one of your links I clicked and ironically one of the first.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
72. And now you post a deliberate lie and smear attempt.
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:13 PM
May 2015

Post them now. You can't, because you are lying.

I will add that your post above is a *particularly* slimy Third Way manipulation, because it *not only* tries to smear me with a deliberate fabrication, but it also works to normalize a despicable tactic used by corporate politicians, i.e., dismissing information based on source rather than truthfulness.

That's an important tactic for corrupt propaganda states, because if you can discount information based solely on who published it, you can control information by ensuring that your "approved" sources never publish anything unflattering to you. That's why we see the predictable and ongoing attempts to smear alternative media such as The Intercept or RT when they publish information that is damning to corporate politicians.

Now, link to the links you claim I made to FOX News, or admit you are lying.

Go ahead. I'm waiting.

R B Garr

(17,202 posts)
113. woo me with foxnews
Tue May 26, 2015, 06:24 PM
May 2015


I guess no apology for calling me a liar is forthcoming after I posted the link to Fox News and you went off on a ridiculous tangent about something something corporate something.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
77. Why are you lying above about the links?
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:24 PM
May 2015

Could it be an attempt to smear and divert from discussion of Hillary's record?

This sort of behavior is sadly familiar, and it encapsulates the reasons people are utterly disgusted with corporate candidates and their propaganda mouthpieces.

What a sewer of dishonesty. And what a refreshing change to finally have an honest candidate who does not treat voters with such contempt.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
102. You've supplied no pictures of war-ravaged corpses from the bombing campaign over Kosovo
Tue May 26, 2015, 01:02 PM
May 2015

You've supplied no pictures of war-ravaged corpses from the bombing campaign over Kosovo Sanders voted to approve.

No doubt, simply an oversight on your part-- rather than indicating a pattern of holding one candidate to higher standard than another... or holding some deaths more tragic than others if it supports your political desires...

"And this nation is starved for honesty. ..." Indeed.

BainsBane

(53,337 posts)
106. He even calls other Sanders supporters Third Way
Tue May 26, 2015, 05:49 PM
May 2015

I saw him do that when someone noted that Sanders wanted a positive message. He insisted that was "Third Way."

MADem

(135,425 posts)
110. I'm starting to think a lot of this stuff is "performance art." Lousy performance art, but
Tue May 26, 2015, 06:11 PM
May 2015

performance art, nonetheless.

We've got a few people scattered here and there who incite the masses, who use incendiary language, who will do anything to piss people off and tear down anyone who has a following.

Bernie has suffered the same slights and insults--but not from the Clinton supporters here. Most think he's a nice guy, a fair guy, an honorable guy, a good guy-- even if they don't think he has the personality or the leadership qualities to be POTUS. The hate and vitriol heaped upon him come from people sharing his political party, who are to the LEFT of the view the Clinton-bashers purport to embrace.

Read some of this stuff, courtesy of the Socialists--it's every bit as vitriolic as the stuff Clinton's catching. Even some of the hot-breathed exhortations sound similar. Makes me wonder if they all aren't copying one another~!

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/15/sand-m15.html

Ouch--nasty, right?

No way to have a debate, certainly!!

BainsBane

(53,337 posts)
112. I think that piece speaks to the problem of calling oneself a socialist
Tue May 26, 2015, 06:20 PM
May 2015

while occupying political positions in a capitalist state. That is essentially a critique from the perspective than any association with the political system is selling out. I recognize it because I pretty much thought that way until 2001, when I saw that a bad president from the GOP could be disastrous.

That piece, in conjunction with the vitriol on DU, highlights why the left is so politically ineffective. We spend more time attacking each other than actually getting things done.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
41. And even worse yet...
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:13 PM
May 2015

... is that they think they are actually being *clever* and *fooling* those "silly professional leftists."

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
59. What I find most illustrative of the corporate manipulation here
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:31 PM
May 2015

Last edited Mon May 25, 2015, 05:17 PM - Edit history (1)



is the weird Orwellian suggestion that bringing up the candidate's *actual* record is somehow unseemly in a thread about Memorial Day.

What a bizarre replacement of the meaning of the day with a corporate, Hallmark version in which a politician can stand for murderous corporate policy, but we have to applaud mouthed, pretty slogans out of politeness, because it's a holiday.

Cute pictures of the candidate as a child. Well, that child grew up to vote for a war based in lies, that murdered how many children? That candidate was complicit in a right-wing coup in Honduras, from which countless women and children have had to flee. That candidate voted with Republicans against a humanitarian amendment to protect children from cluster bombs.

I find our propaganda state revolting. It offers, like a drumbeat, a twisted, utterly perverse version of history and human morality. Utterly sick, weird rules for accepting the intolerable as long as it comes in a shiny blue package. Corporate ownership of government and media is a cancer.

I think the infiltration happened so deliberately and gradually that people didn't even realize how sick the messaging had become. But now that we have an honest candidate in the race, they do see...

And the contrast is growing this urgency to rid ourselves of the corrupt and insist on honesty again. That War is War.



BainsBane

(53,337 posts)
107. Corporate manipulation
Tue May 26, 2015, 05:54 PM
May 2015

Anyone who dares to disagree with you is "corporate." Your entire approach to politics is about insulting people who don't fall in lock step. Poor people are corporate, people of color are corporate, LGBT Americans are corporate. How is it that the only ones who aren't corporate or Third Way are privileged white folk? You went so far as to defend the fucking KKK because one its former members attacking Clinton. Let's see. Third Way or Klansman. Most people that's a no-brainer, but then most people don't have complete contempt for 99.9999999 percent of Americans. Talk about oligarchs. Your imperious elitism is all about government by the few for the few. You can't even acknowledge that anyone is allowed to hold any view that diverges from you in even minor ways, including other Sanders supporters, who you likewise insult as corporate and Third Way.

You don't want to mobilize people to change the country. You simply want to place yourself and your own clique at the top.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
82. "On Memorial Day"
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:48 PM
May 2015

You mean the new corporate-sanitized version of Memorial Day? When it's considered rude to bring up the actual policies that CAUSE the death and despair we are remembering?

The new, weird, plastic, Third Way version of Memorial Day in which we are to applaud the empty words of politicians who VOTED for a war based on lies that slaughtered countless innocents, who VOTED AGAINST protecting children from cluster bombs, who helped ORCHESTRATE a right-wing coup in Honduras from which women and children are still fleeing?

The new corporate Memorial Day, in which being truthful about history and policy is considered unseemly, and in which we are to smile our plastic smiles and pretend that the oh-so-moving, focus group-tested words of corporate politicians are more important than their actual policies that keep the blood, and the profits, flowing.

Because the pageant is what is most important. Always.

War is Peace!

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
13. Totally uncalled for. This is a day to honor those who lost their lives. Would that everyone...
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:51 PM
May 2015

could show them the same respect Hillary Clinton did.

Way to go Mrs.Clinton!

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
18. The best way to honor the fallen
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:10 PM
May 2015

is to make sure that none of our service members will ever be asked to fight for an unjust war or one that is based on trumped up, erroneous intel.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
36. +10000000000
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:56 PM
May 2015


Thank you.

This nation cannot afford more politicians from either party aligning with neocons.



woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
39. No, the disrespect is in policies like this from corporate politicians.
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:08 PM
May 2015

The disrespect is in allying with profit-mongering neocons over human lives. Blood for profit. Wars of choice. Human death, despair, and devastation. Trade agreements that excuse human trafficking. Torture. Imprisonment of whistleblowers. Mass spying. Looting:



The Warmongering Record of Hillary Clinton "I urged him to bomb..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026219783

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Hillary defends Israel on Gaza carpet bombing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025274041

Hillary tacks right of Obama on foreign policy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024707589

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

Hillary Clinton Praises George W. Bush and the Art of Compromise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026394878

Hillary Clinton's role in right-wing Honduran coup and aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

Hillary Clinton's Horrifying Iraq War Vote Still Matters.
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/hillary-clintons-iraq-war-vote-still-matters-9737

Secret recordings show US military and a Democratic congressman distrusted Hillary Clinton on Libya (lying, manipulating intelligence)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Hillary Clinton Blasts ‘Unfair’ World Reaction Over Gaza, Cites Anti-Semitism As Factor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025364869

Obama didn't go as far as Hillary now says she wanted to go in smashing Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251375376

Hand in Hand With Kissinger: A Review of Hillary Clinton’s Review
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016102317

Hillary Clinton Serves Us KISSINGER KOOL-AID
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025504036

MJ - Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025493748



Enough lying and pandering. Enough corruption. Enough contempt from corporate politicians.


National Shame: 50,000 Homeless Veterans Nationwide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017236236

Senators who voted to cut the pensions of US military veterans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024718942

2010: Obama signs bill cutting 2.2 billion from food stamps
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x309

Politicians Thank Veterans For Their Service, Then Cut Programs To Feed Them
http://nhlabornews.com/2013/11/politicians-thank-veterans-for-their-service-then-cut-programs-to-feed-them/

2013: Food Stamp Cuts: A Bipartisan Scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023965717

Study paints picture of aging, homeless veterans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002241657

"A nation that does not care for its war veterans has no business making new ones."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025591231














InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,357 posts)
53. You read my mind - think of the lives we could've saved if Hillary & her ilk had done their due diligence & used a little common sense.
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:22 PM
May 2015
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
24. My father also served in the Navy in WW2, as did one of his brothers while the others went Army
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:22 PM
May 2015

Dad would have liked Hillary's statement.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
26. My dad was a language translator on the front lines in Europe.
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:27 PM
May 2015

It was amazing he made it through the war alive.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
29. "freedom is earned by each new generation"
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:38 PM
May 2015

This generation needs to fight for freedom from war. Imo, no military conflict since WWII has been a fight for our freedom. They have been fights by tptb to enshrine fascism into the nation.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
37. I've seen friends rot away with pain for years because these glorious wars
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:01 PM
May 2015

Be it agent blue, agent orange, GWSD, Uranium Depleted sickness and other shit
The psychological damage to society even here, lasts for generations.... all for the bucks for the few.

You know we have TROOPS GUARDING THE LARGEST SMACK FIELDS IN THE WORLD


And we wonder why we have a smack problem.

I"ve seen vet smack addicts throw up and almost die

I think its time to realize who is playing who.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
40. Today is for remembering those who died while serving.
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:13 PM
May 2015

I'm sure we all know someone who has suffered the effects of war. But today we honor those who died while serving.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
30. I wish the lesson had been
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:39 PM
May 2015

"Don't, for zero good reason, increase the number of people we need to memorialize"

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,812 posts)
31. My old man contacted malaria and was blinded in one eye by shrapnel in the North African Campaign.
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:40 PM
May 2015

He would have liked HRC's statement.

Martin Eden

(13,032 posts)
33. I have to question what Hillary really "learned" about the ultimate sacrifice.
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:52 PM
May 2015

Considering her vote to send so many young Americans to be killed & maimed in Iraq for no good reason.

It's tragic enough when soldiers give their lives in a mission that actually protects their country.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
43. Cluster bombs are not good for children, Hillary.
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:23 PM
May 2015

What a cute picture of a privileged American child.

An important post from 2008:

Cluster bombs are not good for children, Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x345179

RECOMMEND THE WHOLE ARTICLE AT: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/13/7655 /

....

On September 6, 2006, a Senate bill–a simple amendment to ban the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas–presented Senator Clinton with a timely opportunity to protect the lives of children throughout the world.

The cluster bomb is one of the most hated and heinous weapons in modern war, and its primary victims are children.

Senator Obama voted for the amendment to ban cluster bombs. Senator Clinton, however, voted with the Republicans to kill the humanitarian bill, an amendment in accord with the Geneva Conventions, which already prohibit the use of indiscriminate weapons in populated areas.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
65. That's Vietnam.
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:38 PM
May 2015

What an utterly cheap and dishonest attempt to associate that picture with Hillary.

Disgusting. Did you think no one would know the difference?

Response to okasha (Reply #65)

okasha

(11,573 posts)
68. Thank you for so clearly defining the level of your argument.
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:50 PM
May 2015

Senator Sanders would be so proud of you.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
70. War is not your Hillary patriotic bull dump on her father's shit
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:58 PM
May 2015

I really don;'t care about Sander's shit right now after smelling death and war................you buried no one..............you knew

I did .she didn't

LuvLoogie

(7,225 posts)
49. It's a great picture.
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:08 PM
May 2015

A lot of people are remembering their Dads today, and reflecting on the lessons they gave, examples they set.

I am sure Mr. Rodham was very proud of his daughter. I wonder if he saw her as perhaps someday achieving the Presidency. I wish her well and Godspeed in her continued work and service.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
84. Guess those who would rather trash talk than giving it up on this day doesn't
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:06 PM
May 2015

Appreciate true patriots. This is their loss, it dies not mean most Americans know who the patriots were and what they did. I honor those who accepted the call to duty, thank you for your service. Just ignore the naughty and perhaps they still take the privilege to sound off, unexplainable.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
100. The text is from an email I received from Hillary's campaign on Monday.
Tue May 26, 2015, 12:46 PM
May 2015

I added the photo thinking it would be nice to see her dad along with the message.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
114. 'Paid For By Hillary For America'
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:53 PM
May 2015

Email databases are not foolproof.

Also, check your junk/spam folder.

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BainsBane

(53,337 posts)
104. Who could imagine one little girl could grow up to kill millions
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:52 PM
May 2015

Impose oligarchy on America, and sow evil wherever she treads?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,812 posts)
111. All I will say is that if some of you talked to each other ...
Tue May 26, 2015, 06:17 PM
May 2015

All I will say is that if some of you talked to each other in the working class Jamaica , Queen working class milieu I grew up in the way you do here you would get punched in the face.

Shame...

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