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RandySF

(58,783 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:08 PM May 2012

Romney classmate: It wasn't a prank. It was assault and battery.

The Post story led with a vivid description of Romney repeatedly clipping the hair of a young man - presumed by other students to be gay - while other classmates pinned him to the floor, as the victim screamed for help and his eyes filled with tears. "I don't remember that incident," Romney told Kilmeade. "I tell you I certainly don't believe that I ... thought the fella was homosexual. That was the furthest thing from our minds back in the 1960s. So that was not the case. But as to pranks that were played back then, I don't remember them all but again, high school days - if I did stupid things I'm afraid I gotta say sorry for it."

Phillip Maxwell, an attorney in Michigan, confirmed to CBS News that the incident with John Lauber is accurately described in The Washington Post piece. Maxwell was one of the Post's four on-the-record sources. A fifth asked not to be named. Maxwell says the only thing not accurate is that the Post reporter said the incident occurred in a dorm room, but it happened in a common room.

"Mitt was a prankster, there's no doubt about it. This thing with Lauber wasn't a prank. This was, well, as a lawyer, it was an assault. It was an assault and a battery. And I'm sure that John Lauber carried it with him for the rest of his life," Maxwell told CBS News.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57431851-503544/romney-apologizes-for-hurtful-high-school-pranks/?tag=stack

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Romney classmate: It wasn't a prank. It was assault and battery. (Original Post) RandySF May 2012 OP
I hope Maxwell gets interviewed on TV aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #1
i hope Lauber decide that it would be healing and good for him to speak out. nt seabeyond May 2012 #8
I think someone said earlier that he's dead. Chan790 May 2012 #9
thanks chan. i was wondering. i had heard a comment that made me wonder seabeyond May 2012 #11
Lauber passed away in 2004. KurtNYC May 2012 #12
thank you. nt seabeyond May 2012 #13
what was his cause of death? Maine-ah May 2012 #25
Liver cancer, I think XemaSab May 2012 #34
I don't think his non apology apology worked out that well for the Mittster maddezmom May 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest May 2012 #3
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #6
No it was not a form of rape. cali May 2012 #20
Thank you, cali. tru May 2012 #23
words and accusations should be chosen wisely RitchieRich May 2012 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest May 2012 #27
freshwest tru May 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest May 2012 #33
And romney's stupid wife was bragging about what a jokester and fun guy he is. They both monmouth May 2012 #4
Tick! Tick! Tick! Politicalboi May 2012 #5
At least at Catholic schools, they were vigilant for gays. caseymoz May 2012 #19
And the 'puke base will love him for it GCP May 2012 #7
It might even make Jim Robinson come to Romney's side. nt tblue37 May 2012 #10
Good point. This will rally the Freepers. Rush is on the case again, too. freshwest May 2012 #15
It sure was an assault and he knows it. I wonder if the young man family ever confronted him? southernyankeebelle May 2012 #14
... and worse and worse... (for Mittens). daaron May 2012 #16
Romney was apparently the only person involved who doesn't recall the incident starroute May 2012 #17
Which NOT REMEMBERING it is worse for him than remembering it Horse with no Name May 2012 #18
You might think FlaGranny May 2012 #21
Bullies always deny, deny, deny. lunatica May 2012 #22
+1 sarcasmo May 2012 #35
Interesting how his fellow elite preppies are not supporting him at this time .... radhika May 2012 #26
And he asked for people to stand up for him lunatica May 2012 #36
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #28
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2012 #29
You can't blame Romney for not Smilo May 2012 #30
Its Clinton-Dole '96 Kyad06 May 2012 #32
Interesting that a squirrley, little pipe-cleaner bones like Romeny was a bully. alphafemale May 2012 #37
amazing Skittles May 2012 #38
that is EXACTLY the point ibegurpard May 2012 #39
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. thanks chan. i was wondering. i had heard a comment that made me wonder
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:38 PM
May 2012

if he was. appreciate the info.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
2. I don't think his non apology apology worked out that well for the Mittster
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:13 PM
May 2012

I have a feeling more and more people are going to come forward, possible others that were attacked by him either physically or verbally.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

Response to freshwest (Reply #3)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. No it was not a form of rape.
Fri May 11, 2012, 06:37 AM
May 2012

not even remotely. It was assault. It was a horrible thing to do. It was NOT rape.

 

tru

(237 posts)
23. Thank you, cali.
Fri May 11, 2012, 07:54 AM
May 2012

It was horrible, and it was d*mned dangerous with scissors near the victim's eyes. But rape is something totally different, and the crime of rape is minimized by calling an assault rape.

RitchieRich

(292 posts)
24. words and accusations should be chosen wisely
Fri May 11, 2012, 08:27 AM
May 2012

The event was clearly terrible. Spreading such an exaggeration would give many cause to doubt the whole event as similarly puffed up, thereby lessening the impact of what actually happened. I had my hair forcibly cut once, It wasn't freaking rape. It was bullying and stupid with lasting impression, but not rape.

Response to cali (Reply #20)

 

tru

(237 posts)
31. freshwest
Sat May 12, 2012, 04:53 AM
May 2012

I've been the victim of an assault and if you don't think rape would have been 100,000 times worse, you have no clue.

Response to tru (Reply #31)

monmouth

(21,078 posts)
4. And romney's stupid wife was bragging about what a jokester and fun guy he is. They both
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:24 PM
May 2012

make me ill.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. Tick! Tick! Tick!
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:25 PM
May 2012

They didn't know of "The Gay" back then. You know the time where Anita Bryant protested against them. If only she were famous and could use and avenue like TV to get her message out.
"Orange Juice" Never drink the stuff says Rmoney.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
19. At least at Catholic schools, they were vigilant for gays.
Fri May 11, 2012, 03:58 AM
May 2012

Kids watched each other for "signs" of homosexuality, in a vigilance that often got straight kids entangled instead. The signs of homosexuality, BTW, were things promulgated into them by their parents and the church. These "signs" could be anything from having hair a little too long, or having less than good taste in clothes. What are now called nerds were often called "fags," and not just for insult. At least some kids really believed it.

BTW, the fact that as a straight kid, I was the butt of that bullying accounts for a lot of my sympathy toward gay rights.

I'm certain among Mormons there was a similar bully enforcement of gender conformity in children and adolescents. Any religion that takes a strict anti-homosexual stance has to have it. It's an inevitable effect, and a way of keeping an oppressive moral framework in place for successive generations.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. Good point. This will rally the Freepers. Rush is on the case again, too.
Thu May 10, 2012, 08:15 PM
May 2012

This will show people's real priorities. No more hiding behind catch words.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
14. It sure was an assault and he knows it. I wonder if the young man family ever confronted him?
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:07 PM
May 2012

They should have. This is different than Obama having been fed dog meat as a child.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
17. Romney was apparently the only person involved who doesn't recall the incident
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:15 PM
May 2012

These other people appear to have had it seared into their memories -- as did the victim.

But Mittens? Not even a blip on his radar.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
18. Which NOT REMEMBERING it is worse for him than remembering it
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:47 PM
May 2012

Only a sociopath would not remember the incident.

Lose-Lose situation for Romney.

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
21. You might think
Fri May 11, 2012, 07:32 AM
May 2012

that he did so much of that kind of thing that this incident was inconsequential and thus forgotten.

I was a good kid and a good teenager by most any measure, but I did a couple of things (by omission) that I still remember and feel ashamed of and I'm almost certain that the slighted person or persons have long ago forgotten or forgiven because they were very minor. I'm sure that almost every normal person has similar memories of things they should have done but didn't. It is painful when you don't live up to your own standards. If Mitt doesn't even remember this school incident it really shows that his standards are pretty low. But, that said, I don't for an instant believe he doesn't remember something like that.

radhika

(1,008 posts)
26. Interesting how his fellow elite preppies are not supporting him at this time ....
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:53 AM
May 2012

Romney is mega rich and in hailing distance of the US Presidency. A free market conservative, which is quite likely the politics of many of his Cranbrook alums. And Romney under seige is a person who might he able to repay favors quite generously in the future.

But they aren't stepping up and supporting him by swearing what a great guy he was. This tells me that Romney was indeed the class bully and an imperial asshole.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
36. And he asked for people to stand up for him
Sat May 12, 2012, 06:30 PM
May 2012

Result? Crickets.

Because no one thinks he'll win this one, and standing up for him will only hurt them.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
30. You can't blame Romney for not
Fri May 11, 2012, 08:45 PM
May 2012

remembering.................... he must have had a lobotomy along the way - at least that is the only excuse I can come up with for his lies and flip-flops.

Kyad06

(127 posts)
32. Its Clinton-Dole '96
Sat May 12, 2012, 10:22 AM
May 2012

The Repukes are writing this one off,hence the tepid endorsements. Gas prices dropping killed thier only issue they could use to rally the base. Roomney is a pathetic loser.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
37. Interesting that a squirrley, little pipe-cleaner bones like Romeny was a bully.
Sat May 12, 2012, 06:42 PM
May 2012

That could only happen because he was an elite privileged prick in an elite privileged prick school. In the real world that self important prick would have been instilled with a healthy dose of humility and still smell faintly of Tidy Bowl behind the ears.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
38. amazing
Sun May 13, 2012, 09:05 PM
May 2012

"I've carried this story with me a long time. It was very disturbing. I think that view is shared by everyone involved in it," Maxwell says. "It just was a black mark on my character that I didn't stop it."


Mr. Maxwell feels more shame and humility (because he failed to intervene) about the incident that Romeny - well Mr. Maxwell, you evolved into a better person but it is obvious Romney did NOT

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
39. that is EXACTLY the point
Sun May 13, 2012, 09:58 PM
May 2012

that the dimwits trying to use the excuse about "high school hijincks" don't get.

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