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Sun May 17, 2015, 09:40 AM

GOP PACs are inhabiting liberal roles on social media-duping lefties into sharing anti-Hillary memes

It takes a criminal mind

It seems Republican PACs are making a concerted effort to "inhabit the liberal role" on social media and dupe lefties into sharing anti-Hillary Clinton memes. Bill McKibben (350.org), the A.F.L.-C.I.O., and others have fallen prey to the tactic:

For months now, America Rising has sent out a steady stream of posts on social media attacking Mrs. Clinton, some of them specifically designed to be spotted, and shared, by liberals. The posts highlight critiques of her connections to Wall Street and the Clinton Foundation and feature images of Democrats like Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York, interspersed with cartoon characters and pictures of Kevin Spacey, who plays the villain in “House of Cards.” And as they are read and shared, an anti-Clinton narrative is reinforced.

America Rising is not the only conservative group attacking Mrs. Clinton from the left. Another is American Crossroads, the group started by Karl Rove, which has been sending out its own digital content, including one ad using a speech Ms. Warren gave at the New Populism Conference in Washington last May.


The Times continues, "Conservative strategists and operatives say they are simply filling a vacuum on the far left ..." Out of the goodness of their hearts.


Ken Goldstein, a professor specializing in political advertising at the University of San Francisco, explains that this effort shows Republican strategists are "thinking a couple steps ahead.” Steven Law, president of American Crossroads, says the goal is to erode support for the Democrats' presumptive 2016 presidential candidate among base voters:


“It can diminish enthusiasm for Hillary among the base over time,” he said. “And if you diminish enthusiasm, lukewarm support can translate into lackluster fund-raising and perhaps diminished turnout down the road.”


MORE:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/politics/the-right-aims-at-democrats-on-social-media-to-hit-clinton.html?_r=1
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/it-takes-criminal-mind-by-bloggersrus.html

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Reply GOP PACs are inhabiting liberal roles on social media-duping lefties into sharing anti-Hillary memes (Original post)
kpete May 2015 OP
struggle4progress May 2015 #1
okaawhatever May 2015 #66
Scuba May 2015 #2
Fred Sanders May 2015 #7
Scuba May 2015 #8
Fred Sanders May 2015 #11
Scuba May 2015 #18
Fred Sanders May 2015 #20
geek tragedy May 2015 #32
riversedge May 2015 #51
L0oniX May 2015 #54
daleanime May 2015 #77
JoePhilly May 2015 #19
Fred Sanders May 2015 #29
JoePhilly May 2015 #43
Exilednight May 2015 #84
Scuba May 2015 #48
L0oniX May 2015 #55
JoePhilly May 2015 #67
Exilednight May 2015 #83
geek tragedy May 2015 #30
Scuba May 2015 #47
geek tragedy May 2015 #49
Scuba May 2015 #59
geek tragedy May 2015 #74
Motown_Johnny May 2015 #3
mmonk May 2015 #4
geek tragedy May 2015 #27
stevenleser May 2015 #73
1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #56
Fred Sanders May 2015 #5
Autumn May 2015 #6
Scuba May 2015 #9
mmonk May 2015 #10
quickesst May 2015 #15
JoePhilly May 2015 #21
SidDithers May 2015 #25
Autumn May 2015 #33
earthside May 2015 #40
Autumn May 2015 #42
Maedhros May 2015 #41
quickesst May 2015 #75
TheKentuckian May 2015 #62
FlatBaroque May 2015 #71
antigop May 2015 #53
Mojorabbit May 2015 #70
SMC22307 May 2015 #76
ananda May 2015 #12
kpete May 2015 #24
sufrommich May 2015 #13
Peacetrain May 2015 #14
FlatBaroque May 2015 #16
JoePhilly May 2015 #22
Bluenorthwest May 2015 #31
FlatBaroque May 2015 #35
Katashi_itto May 2015 #44
geek tragedy May 2015 #50
freshwest May 2015 #61
TheKentuckian May 2015 #64
geek tragedy May 2015 #72
TheKentuckian May 2015 #80
geek tragedy May 2015 #81
Doctor_J May 2015 #39
1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #63
procon May 2015 #17
sufrommich May 2015 #28
procon May 2015 #45
SidDithers May 2015 #23
kpete May 2015 #26
L0oniX May 2015 #57
SidDithers May 2015 #58
L0oniX May 2015 #60
SidDithers May 2015 #69
KingCharlemagne May 2015 #34
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Doctor_J May 2015 #38
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 09:42 AM

1. Doh!

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:46 PM

66. I know, this has been going on at DU for a long time. Some DU members couldn't do a better job if

they were getting a paycheck from Karl Rove himself.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 09:46 AM

2. Those of us on the left don't need right-wingers to point out that Hillary is one of them.

 

This article and post seem like lame attempts to stifle legitimate criticism of Hillary by suggesting that it's what the right wants.

Fact is, Hillary is out-of-step with those of us to the left of Ronald Reagan's economic policies and deserves to be criticized for her Iraq war vote, support for the XL Pipeline, support for more H1B Visas, support for Wall Street, etc, etc, etc.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:05 AM

7. Supporting Sanders can be done without attacking Clinton and her internationally respected charity.

Folks should give it a try.

Try supporting your candidate without the false and thin attempts at raising the persona and bona fides of one person at the expense of another...is that what Bernie would want folks supporting him in an election - only 18 short months to go - to do? Has he done it himself, one might ask?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:07 AM

8. Clinton is the front-runner and has huge dollars behind her. Getting the truth about her out is ...

 

... important, nee, critical.

If she can't stand the heat, she should get out of the kitchen.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:10 AM

11. Why not let the RW media do that. Why give them a co-conspirator in the enemy camp?

Why support their divide and conquer strategy? Why support that?

Supporting Sanders can be done without attacking Clinton...or Obama for that matter.

Have Clinton/Obama supporters, all fine Democrats by the way, done anything remotely in kind in return?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #11)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:45 AM

18. She is the enemy camp. She's a conservative dressed as a Democrat. She needs to be defeated ...

 

... in the primary. Now is the time to educate people about her long-held policy positions.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #18)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:47 AM

20. I am done conversing with anyone who thinks Bill and Hillary Clinton the "enemy camp". Tragic.

Folks need to see the work their charity has done over the last decade...remarkable acts, remarkable thinking.

If that is the enemy camp, where do I get my weapons?

There is an enemy camp pitching their tents proudly flying the Fascist Flag, but the camp you are gazing at ain't it.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #18)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:03 AM

32. No, Scott Walker is the enemy camp. Jed Bush is the enemy camp.

 

People who can't tell the difference are too naive and misinformed to contribute anything meaningful to the debate.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #32)

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:50 PM

51. Agree.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #18)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:10 PM

54. ^^^this^^^

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #18)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:07 AM

77. Reminds me of a horror movie....

"the call is coming from inside the house."

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:46 AM

19. You won't convience people who would be happy to vote for Hillary to switch by ...

... attacking her, or her supporters.

You have to help prove Bernie would definitely win in the general.

Can't do that, you won't get people who would happily vote for her to switch.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #19)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:59 AM

29. On the contrary, Sanders/Warren folks, I love them all, attacking Clinton in a primary run up diminishes both in a general.

I recall the Obama/Clinton primary and run up debate to be a fraction of the viciousness of the present day.

And how much has Clinton or supporters attacked Sanders/Warren?

Zilch.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #29)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:34 AM

43. Agree. Obama beat Hillary by ...

... making a strong convincing case he'd win the general too. People already believed Hillary would. Obama had to cross that threshold before regular democrats were going to be willing to vote for him in the primary.

Bernie has the same challenge. And some of his supporters simply don't get it. Some if them are so self righteous, and condemning of those who don't just abandon Hillary, that they'll hurt his chances. They come across as shrill more than anything else. People won't listen to their message if the tone is condescending from the start.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #43)

Mon May 18, 2015, 09:23 PM

84. Q: which candidate in 2008 called Hillary, Republican Lite?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #29)

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:31 PM

48. Clinton isn't attacking Sanders, she's pretending to support his policies. Empty rhetoric.

 

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #19)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:13 PM

55. Can't convience people who are willingly blind.

 

It's not a matter of voting for who represents the US citizens, it's boiled down to who can win ...with enough money. Got it.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #55)

Sun May 17, 2015, 02:18 PM

67. If you don't understand what I described

... it's no wonder you can't get the candidates you want elected.

So please feel free to attack Clinton and those who would happily vote for her. I'm sure they'll suddenly join you.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Mon May 18, 2015, 09:21 PM

83. Questioning motive is just as important as questioning policy. Her history

Speaks volumes to her motive.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:01 AM

30. People who think Clinton is a rightwinger are detached from reality

 

and are not capable of having factual discussions.

To claim that all people to the left of Reagan are oppose Hillary is a blatant, self-serving lie.

Unless you want to claim that people like John Lewis are to the right of Ronald Reagan.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #30)

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:30 PM

47. Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas, member of "The Family".

 

Sounds pretty right wing to me.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #47)

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:35 PM

49. Pro TPP and Keystone?

 

Must have missed that part. As well has her call to repeal Dodd-Frank.

Also must have missed her signing onto those opposing Obama's Iran deal because they want a war with Iran

She's awful if one ignores all the good parts of he'd record-as you have deliberately chosen to do.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #49)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:21 PM

59. Well, she helped write the TPP and has championed it around the world.

 

Here, in her own words ...

http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/10/11/americas-pacific-century/

We are also making progress on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which will bring together economies from across the Pacific — developed and developing alike — into a single trading community.


As for the Keystone pipeline ...






Source



Your ignorance of her policies does not speak well for you as a Democrat.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #59)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:50 PM

74. A silly guilt-by-association infographic

 

is not a description of her policies. Neither is a speech by her husband (note to the Hillary haters: women have full legal independence from their husbands and are not considered mere extensions of them).


The TPP has been the subject of negotiations and changes since 2011. Clinton did have a role in negotiating it in 2011. That role ended in 2012.

I do not view supporting Bernie and hating Hillary to be compatible values.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 09:57 AM

3. In related news: Water found to be Wet!

 

I don't think there is any doubt that the RW is doing everything possible to smear HRC.

There will be an endless cycle of attacks from a myriad of sources throughout the campaign.

The real problem is that it has a real chance at success. She will never be able to stay on message. Low information voters won't turn out due to the confusion from the endless attacks and the RW voters will be fired up to vote against her.

We all know this was, is and will continue to be the plan. I sure hope the Clinton campaign learned something from the "I didn't want to carry two phones" response that took over a week to dream up. If they didn't then she could come up with another "dodging sniper bullets" comment and throw the entire campaign out the window. Blaming it all on a vast right wing conspiracy isn't going to fly.

We should all be worried about this.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 09:58 AM

4. All she has to do is be definitive in her positions.

That way, it will stop, or not.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #4)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:58 AM

27. No , the lefties who fall for this crap dutifully

 

trot out rebuttals like:

--she's just copying Bernie

--she doesn't mean it

--she mau have poll-tested it

--what took her so long?

--squirrel! (Clinton foundation, fundraising, 1%er)

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #27)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:42 PM

73. Yep. Doesn't matter what she does, those folks will twist it. Nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:01 AM

5. Good thing RW operatives forgot to send hired hands to social media to use TPP as an anti-Obama meme, right?

Attacking Clinton, both of them, from the left?

Who needs hired hands when "from the left" is already doing a fine job for them without cost?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:03 AM

6. What a pant load.

People are posting Hillary's own words and actions. If those are anti-Hillary memes then her own actions and words are responsible. To try to paint "liberal lefties" as dupes of the right is really a desperate action.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:08 AM

9. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:09 AM

10. Yep. Because to be anti-union and pro dirty crude is so liberal.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:31 AM

15. dupes or not

...the far far left is still doing the Repubs job for them. that's just a sad fact, no matter the level of sincerity.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #15)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:48 AM

21. Correct ... anger the right, discourage the left, win the election.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #15)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:53 AM

25. +1...nt

Sid

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Response to quickesst (Reply #15)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:04 AM

33. So posting a candidates own words and actions is doing the work of the repukes to depress the

voter turnout for that candidate? Did you ever stop to think maybe the problem lies in any candidate using those problematic words and actions, not the voter noticing them?

I think I know what your answer will be.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #33)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:27 AM

40. Too clever, again.

I tend to agree with 'YAWN' below ... Democrats and liberal groups will use the same tactic on Reuglicans and conservatives. It is politics.

On the other hand, this apparent strategy by the Hillary campaign to demur on talking about specific issues with any detail because it is only May 2015, once again shows me an elitist, out-of-touch, smarmy strata of her organization that is being too clever by half.

Democrats are looking for a dynamic, inspirational leader -- not a consultant-controlled politician.

Frankly, Hillary Clinton is a crummy candidate and always has been. She never would have been elected to the U.S. Senate from Arkansas -- New York was a state where she could cruise to a pretty easy win.

Her own words and actions, and her long political history are baggage of immense proportions -- if not exploited and explored in the pre-primary and in the primary season, then they will be in the general -- and Democrats will lose.

Hillary Clinton is a general election loser. Can the crazy Repuglicans win in November 2016? Yes, they can and Democrats better get out of this "it's Hillary's turn" thinking or they will facilitate a tragic election results for the nation.



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Response to earthside (Reply #40)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:33 AM

42. Yes their "it's Hillary's turn" thinking will put a republican in the White House.

Of course the Left will get the blame . But it is what it is.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #15)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:33 AM

41. Far FAR Left, now?

 

Demonizing us with only one "far" wasn't enough?

When I criticize Hillary, I'm not doing it for the Republicans. I'm doing it for myself - I DON'T WANT HILLARY TO BE PRESIDENT.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #41)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:01 AM

75. actually....

I'm pretty far left, thus the extra left for distinction.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #15)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:31 PM

62. The Turd Way and it's shady operatives have been doing the job of the TeaPubliKlans for a generation

which is implementing corporate policy, facilitating corporate capture of our government, increasing the influence of the wealthy while scuttling democracy, and warmongering around the globe.

The Turd Way is the greatest friend the regressive right can have they assist in implementing the fascist agenda as they systematically stand down all functional political opposition by assimilating Democrats to the conservative worldview.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #62)

Sun May 17, 2015, 04:45 PM

71. stellar post

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:06 PM

53. like this?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Sun May 17, 2015, 04:21 PM

70. I agree. nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:04 AM

76. Exactly. And many of us have had the Clintons in our lives since the freakin' early '90s.

Arkansans even longer.

It's not like she's new to us.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:11 AM

12. Y a w n

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Response to ananda (Reply #12)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:52 AM

24. ananda

i share your reaction

Yawning at the circus,
because we have seen it
SO many times already.....


peace to you
kp

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:11 AM

13. The naivety of people who think crap like this begins and ends

with Hillary Clinton is astounding.This is the new republican dirty trick,the unsigned mailer in your mailbox,Atwater would be proud.It will be applied over and over again to every democrat running,it's not OK because you happen to dislike the democrat they're using it against at the moment.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:30 AM

14. I told people that 7 months ago

I live in one of the most conservative parts of Iowa.. and I know a lot of people up and down the political spectrum.. and some have been pretty open, that they go on liberal sites to gin up the opposition to whoever they consider is getting good press. from the President to Elizabeth Warren..

And those who think for a second that any given candidate for the Democrats will not fall to this same strategy are DELUSIONAL.. or part of the process..

People have genuine concerns and differences among the candidates and that is good debate.

But when you see a general personal attack of a politician from the Democratic side by supposed Democrats.... take it with a grain of salt

My guess is that some have seen this and will sit on their hands hoping your op disappears really quickly

Whoever gets the Democratic nomination has my whole support and what little money a retiree can put out.. I will support them..

We have good people on our side..

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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #14)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:39 AM

16. Not I. I will kick this steaming pant load.

I can list a dozen reasons why I would never cast a vote for Hillary Clinton. I don't need right wingers to cue my disdain for the Clintons. Policy decisions such as:

The telecommunications act
The crime bill
Welfare reform
Repeal of Glass Stegall
Failure to regulate derivatives
NAFTA
....
...
...

provide sufficient information for me to make my electoral decisions.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #16)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:49 AM

22. You have this backwards.

Hillary already has lots of folks ready and wiling to vote for her. Her alternatives, not so much.

Attacking her does nothing to raise any of them up.

But it might discourage Dems from voting, which is the RW goal.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #16)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:01 AM

31. Where I live, negative campainging will not get you far. Most people do not care to hear rants about

 

dislike of others nor do they want people saying 'pantload' to them over politics. Most people here will listen to you positions on issues, will gladly hear your reasons for supporting the candidate you do support and are fine with comparing and contrasting candidate's positions. But your 'disdain' and all of that belongs to you and attempting to impose that onto others will backfire on you quickly.

I'm sure all that negativity helps elect Democrats where you are. It just will not work here.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #31)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:10 AM

35. Noted

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #16)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:36 AM

44. +1000

 

I wont vote for her either

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #16)

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:36 PM

50. You realize Bill and Hillary are two separate human beings, right? nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #50)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:24 PM

61. You missed the memo! They ruled together. Unconstitutional, but anyway. n/t

Bill has even said IF she wins the nomination and IF she wins the presidency, he's still not sure IF he will move back into the White House!

Which shoots down another theme, that she is just a placeholder while he does evil and she makes cookies. That's all First Ladies are good for, right?

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #50)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:36 PM

64. Clinton has been a Senator and has run for President if people can't differentiate

it is probably because they aren't very different except she is more the bellicose warmonger than Bill ever let on in eight years.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #64)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:38 PM

72. No, people are just prone to making lazy assumptions.

 

Bill Clinton was President. Hillary was a Senator. People who blame Hillary for what Bill did are not engaging in intelligent discourse.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #72)

Mon May 18, 2015, 07:41 PM

80. Then point out and support these differences or better yet the candidate should.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #80)

Mon May 18, 2015, 09:16 PM

81. I just did. Hillary's record is her record.

 

Bill's is his record. His record is not her record.

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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #14)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:23 AM

39. link to a du "attack" on Clinton that is personal, and not based on her republican policies

 

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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #14)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:33 PM

63. +1 ...

 

I have been saying for a while that narratives have been tossed against the left's social media wall to see what sticks ... and then, that which gets repeated is that which get pushed.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:44 AM

17. As a strategy, divide and conquer tactics are very effective.

If one power is successful in breaking up the opposition, it becomes easier to manipulate the smaller pieces. By fostering hostile feuds between the opposition's groups, they become too resentful to link up and unite, even for their own success.

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Response to procon (Reply #17)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:58 AM

28. The GOP literally has no choice but to work to suppress the

democratic vote,there aren't enough republican voters to win a national election because their demographic is disappearing.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #28)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:40 AM

45. That's absolutely true.

When you list out all the tactics they have in play, the grand scheme is all too clear. From voter suppression, painting government as a useless and unnecessary burden to discourage public interest, the steady stream of Big Lies against everything, manipulating how electoral votes are counted, a ruinous path to gain citizenship status just to become a voter, denying voting rights to ex felons (mostly minorities), etc.

I can't imagine how terrified these people are that they are willing to undermine our democracy rather than adapt and modernize their philosophies for the future and adjust to changing times. Intellectually, I know that they will eventually manipulate themselves into oblivion, but then I worry about what the next iteration conservative thinking will try to do to us.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:52 AM

23. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...

And they're using each other to bash her.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #23)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:53 AM

26. i believe

that is THE recipe


thanks SidDithers,
kp

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #23)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:19 PM

57. "The fringe left" the new DU troll ...right?

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #57)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:19 PM

58. If the shoe fits, they can wear it...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #58)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:24 PM

60. Ah well ...more trolls to hunt. Enjoy.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #60)

Sun May 17, 2015, 03:24 PM

69. Better Believe It!!...nt

Sid

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:05 AM

34. Maybe HRC should not have given and continue to give the right so much

 

material to work with, ya think? I mean, seriously, anyone with half an ounce of intelligence knew that the case for invading Iraq was based on lies and innuendo. Hillary voted for the Iraq War, making her either American political history's biggest dupe or something far, far worse.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:15 AM

36. Once again:

I care fuckall what "the right" has to say about anything.

I care about the policies of ALL possible Democratic candidates, not just what they say, BUT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

Hillary Clinton's history tells me she is closer to "the right" than she is to me. I have seen NOTHING to change my opinion of that.


FAIL

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:17 AM

37. Of course they are. That's a strategy the right

has used for a long time. We shouldn't fall for it, but we often do.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:19 AM

38. They might also try to convince liberals that Mrs Clinton is one of them.

 

By hiding and lying about her conservative stances on most issues

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:46 AM

46. "filling a vacuum" means their memes aren't ours

Those who can't tell the difference should not be doing politics or pretend to be policing progressive spaces.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:51 PM

52. ah, the ever-popular "lefties are so stupid they have no idea that they're being duped" gambit..

seen it.

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Response to frylock (Reply #52)

Mon May 18, 2015, 09:26 PM

85. That goes hand-in-hand with the Circle bullshit.

 

You know the circle? Here's how it works: if you're a Centrist, and you detest those both to the left and to the right of you, just make a circle out of left-right politics and claim that since this is now a circle, the far right and the "far left" meet up on the back side and they're really indistinguishable from one another. I've seen this line of garbage used about 6 times here recently. No one ever bothers to explain how such radically different people are actually the same. But see, it's a circle, so they must be right.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:42 PM

65. "critics of candidate X are GOP DUPES EASILY FOOLED 'CUZ THEIR LIBURL!111"

must be a day that ends in -y

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 02:28 PM

68. K & R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:23 AM

78. A variation on the inevitability of Ms. Clinton.

The pre-planting of "Any deviation from the position of inevitable is easily explained by outside trickery."

Just because Ms. Clinton is being billed as the inevitable Democratic candidate by the main stream media is not a valid reason to believe it. The same main stream media sold the country of the Iraq War. The American main stream media routinely explores the social ramifications of twerking.
How many of us, while being engulfed in the flood, ever ask what is the "stream" in "main stream" comprised of? I suspect it would help Roses grow.


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:36 AM

79. Heh

Would this be the same New York Times that employs Thomas Friedman? Just curious.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 09:18 PM

82. Pssst... it won't work.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 09:31 PM

86. Figured that out a while back. Probably the ones who keep claiming they're being astroturfed. nt

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